[00:10] <redtape-renegade> Dr Who fans    :|  http://hackaday.com/2013/03/16/sonic-screwdriver-meets-tv-b-gone/   this one's for you , np.
[00:10] <mungbean> thought everyone was in bed
[00:20] <redtape-renegade> mungbean, I am, now.
[07:48] <redtape-renegade> popey, Looks like the snows melted in GB http://popey.com/webcam/     |      TheOpenSourcerer, Hi-di-hi
[08:18] <redtape-renegade>  ooh, The miracle survivor is on tonight at 10pm on More 4   I t's  a  m i r a c l e | http://www.channel4.com/programmes/911-the-miracle-survivor
[08:21] <redtape-renegade> Has anybody tried www.liftshare.com/uk/   at all  ?
[08:47] <kvarley> Very useful command: find [path] -printf '%m %p\n'
[08:47] <kvarley> Prints permissions in a numerical format :)
[09:04] <jacobw> Morning
[09:09] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, Hi there, nice chat @ the weekend | I'm wondering if you poss. have a Kodak printer and if you know if the ink is worth it ? | http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/category/deal-of-the-day.asp?
[09:09] <directhex> kodak ink is super expensive iirc
[09:09] <directhex> also, poor linux support
[09:10] <redtape-renegade> i.e. will this use cups with ubuntu ?
[09:10] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: I currently have no printers, they've all died. I'm looking to buy 2 printers at the moment.
[09:10] <kvarley> I'm looking for 2 colour inkjet printers that have flawless Linux support and that have separate colour cartridges.
[09:10] <redtape-renegade> Ohh. we have a nice one at the office if you'd like it, to go ?
[09:11] <kvarley> They're not for me :) for other people
[09:11] <redtape-renegade> S0ooo you don't want  it, right ?
[09:11] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: No, ty
[09:17] <redtape-renegade> directhex, I don't why you keep doing-a-downer on everything I say [have you got a narcissistic side or something ??] about saving money !       | If you look at #3 on their website ::: http://www.kodak.co.uk/ek/GB/en/printer-faq.htm?utm_source=www.kodak.co.uk&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=well1-IJupdate_022413&utm_campaign=Corp-Homepage     :; THEY SAY , that they are the cheapest, ink, in the industry ?  Wats your problem, matey ?
[09:21] <directhex> i've worked retail, selling printers to people. Nobody who bought a Kodak came back happy. Perhaps things have changed since then.
[09:24] <popey> my mum has a kodak printer, doesn't work with her 12.04 ubuntu system ☹
[09:28] <SuperMatt> popey: get the drivers into raring then ;)
[09:28] <popey> what drivers ☹
[09:29] <SuperMatt> oh
[09:29] <SuperMatt> darn it
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I really don't think that home printing is cost effective
[09:30] <popey> its fine for black and white on lasers
[09:30] <popey> inkjets suck donkeys
[09:30] <SuperMatt> they do indeed
[09:31] <SuperMatt> there's nothing worse than trying to print to find all the heads are jammed with dried ink
[09:32] <popey> i went to asda to print a photo I had on my iphone recently. You can plug your phone in, download pics and print them
[09:32] <popey> unfortunately I didn't have my iphone cable with me ☹
[09:33] <redtape-renegade> directhex, Give me one e.g. of a Kodak printer you sold ion a retail shop, Plz ?
[09:33] <czajkowski> all the boots places have iphone cables no android :(
[09:33] <redtape-renegade> **in
[09:33] <popey> however the photo booth supports printing directly from facebook!
[09:33] <popey> So standing in the store I uploaded the photo over 3g to my facebook account, and set visibility to only me, then logged into my fb account on the photo machine
[09:33] <popey> (which was worrying)
[09:33] <popey> it showed the picture, printed it, logged out of facebook
[09:33] <popey> worked rather well
[09:34] <czajkowski> handy
[09:34] <redtape-renegade> How much was that photo print-out ?
[09:34] <directhex> redtape-renegade, you want me to tell you a model of printer sold in pc world in 2003?
[09:35] <redtape-renegade> directhex, PC World ? Do you still get discounts ?
[09:35] <directhex> redtape-renegade, no. i worked there one summer as a student.
[09:36] <redtape-renegade> directhex, What was your salary @ PC World ?
[09:36] <Laney> O_O
[09:36] <popey> redtape-renegade: can't remember
[09:37] <popey> pence
[09:37] <redtape-renegade> Who am I talking to here ? | popey or, directhex  ??
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[09:38] <directhex> redtape-renegade, sallary is for full-time employees. my wage was somewhere around minimum wage.
[09:38] <popey> well given I just explained that I got a printout, and then you asked how much was the photo printout, I thought that question was aimed at me, other questions aimed at directhex seemed to have his name in
[09:38] <redtape-renegade> directhex, That's only £600.. did you get any perks or freebies ?
[09:40] <redtape-renegade> popey, soz you took a while to get back to me.  ☹ No harm done. | Keep calm, install ubuntu
[09:40] <popey> wat
[09:40] <redtape-renegade> popey, a coupl of pence for a print-out is a steal. well done !
[09:41] <redtape-renegade> **couple of..
[09:42] <redtape-renegade> directhex, I calculate That's only £600.. did you get any perks or freebies at PC World ?
[09:43] <directhex> redtape-renegade, er, some small level of staff discount
[09:44] <directhex> plus commission, occasionally
[09:44] <redtape-renegade> And what did you buy with the discount at PC World ?
[09:45]  * redtape-renegade notes Curry's have devastated in IOMan computer retail park.
[09:46] <directhex> some speakers, iirc?
[09:47] <redtape-renegade> And whatr did you think of the Kodak link I gave you at 09:17 . | Do you think it is correct ?#
[09:47] <redtape-renegade> http://www.kodak.co.uk/ek/GB/en/printer-faq.htm?utm_source=www.kodak.co.uk&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=well1-IJupdate_022413&utm_campaign=Corp-Homepage
[09:51] <directhex> i think i wouldn't buy a kodak. YMMV.
[09:52] <popey> my mum bought a digital camera off amazon recently, some samsung thing.. it refuses to power on, i helped her return it, which was stupidly simple
[09:52] <popey> I do like returning things to amazon
[09:52] <directhex> i don't
[09:52] <directhex> my last return sucked
[09:52] <popey> was it amazon or a marketplace seller tho?
[09:53] <directhex> amazon
[09:53] <popey> erk
[09:54] <nperry>   The last time I sent something back to amazon, I took it to the nearest collect+ place at 1330 and by 1800 they had sent me an email saying the refund was on its way.
[09:54] <directhex> tl;dr: baby food steamer broke within 3 months, manufacturer said return it for a replacement. amazon refunded purchase price instead. except we'd bought it for half price in a sale, so a refund was the worst outcome ever
[09:54] <nperry> I checked and it was still sat the shop.
[09:55] <nperry> The next day the money appeared in my bank account :/
[09:56] <czajkowski> I've found them pretty good when dealing with stuff at xmas from stuff that never arrived to stuff that arrived that was not for me, either I got a refund straight away or was told keep the other stuff.
[09:56] <czajkowski> shall be doing all of next years xmas shopping on there again
[09:57] <redtape-renegade> popey, a marketplace seller ? Like Dragonmarts Co. Ltd. | I guess they sub-contract .. on ebay aswell-as Amazon :  http://goo.gl/9wkCC
[10:02] <nperry> I did pretty much all my shopping on amazon...
[10:03] <nperry> I did have a comment from the postman "You seem to order a lot of things from amazon"
[10:06] <redtape-renegade> nperry, Have you found it hard doing a Wishlist yet on www.amazon.co.uk ?
[10:08] <BigRedS> Amazon wishlists are brilliant
[10:08] <BigRedS> Every time I want something and can't justify buying it I stick it on my wishlist
[10:08] <BigRedS> and then when people want to buy me a present they actually end up getting me something I want
[10:10] <popey> heh, same here
[10:10] <popey> my birthday is coming up, so I just updated my wishlist
[10:10]  * Laney just started reading Shut Up & Sit Down so started a board games wishlist ♥
[10:12] <nperry> To be honest I've never setup a wishlist.. but I do know people how have just had a wishlist as a wedding list.
[10:12] <nperry> *who
[10:13] <nperry> I give up typing.
[10:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[10:20]  * redtape-renegade looks at thecomplaintsboard posted at 09:57am
[10:21] <redtape-renegade> I do like the spell checker ... |   http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/dragonmarts-company-uxcell-c582227.html   | popey, At the bottom:   is that just a javascript  ?
[10:23]  * popey has no idea
[10:23] <nperry> Right click and view page source :\
[10:26] <redtape-renegade> nperry, I'm a code lion !  |  http://www.complaintsboard.com/scripts/jquery.spellchecker.js
[10:28]  * redtape-renegade tells his inner animal to STFudU !
[10:45] <popey> bug 1157114 is grinding my gears
[10:46] <SuperMatt> yowzer
[10:46] <SuperMatt> not pretty
[11:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:35] <kvarley> What's a sane price to pay for a SSL certificate?
[11:40] <SuperMatt> I found a place that does them for free...
[11:40] <SuperMatt> http://www.startssl.com/
[11:40] <SuperMatt> those guys
[11:41] <SuperMatt> but if you want it for business, it's worth forking out, I guess
[12:09] <kvarley> When ordering SSL do I order it for www.example.com or example.com ?
[12:10] <jpds> kvarley: *.example.com
[12:10] <kvarley> jpds: I'm not buying wildcard ssl
[12:10] <jpds> kvarley: You should really have Apache/whatever redirect example.com to www.example.com.
[12:11] <kvarley> jpds: Can I redirect the other way round?
[12:11] <jpds> kvarley: That sounds nasty.
[12:11] <kvarley> jpds: Ok, I'll order for www.example.com and then redirect non-www traffic to www
[12:11] <jpds> bbc.co.uk goes to www.bbc.co.uk.
[12:12] <jpds> sis.gov.uk - still doesn't work.
[12:33]  * redtape-renegade realizes the postman has dropped off the www.nisbets.co.uk catalogue to his address instead of the Take-away next door and wonders if there is a reward to give it back ?
[12:34] <redtape-renegade> Nice British company | At least they're 30 years old !
[13:44] <Myrtti> we get Nisbets catalogue because we've ordered from them.
[13:44] <Myrtti> Nice citrus squeezers and frying pans.
[14:01] <kvarley> Probably a stupid question since Apple are so proprietary minded - but can I open iMovie 11 projects on Linux?
[14:33] <xnox> kvarley: probably not, but I bet it's just a folder such that you should be able to browse for the video snippets inside it.
[14:54] <kvarley> xnox: Ah yes, you're right but they're encoded using a weird video format
[14:55] <kvarley> Because Apple like to be difficult in every way imaginable
[15:08] <shauno> it's usually either DV or h264.  one because it was the native capture format for a long time, and the other because it benefits from a lot of hardware acceleration
[15:16] <Laney> some guys have turned up to hack bits off my lovely tree
[15:24] <popey> Laney: have you made them tea?
[15:24] <Laney> no, they didn't come and say hi
[15:24] <popey> outrage
[15:24] <Laney> so they got to watch me eating a poached egg sandwich
[15:24] <popey> I'd pay extra for that.
[15:25] <popey> egg banjo as cied calls them
[15:25] <Laney> oh, it was messy
[15:25] <Laney> yolk... everywhere...
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo popey - I haz a new(er) Volvo V70
[15:28] <popey> oooh
[15:28] <popey> how new?
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> £2k
[15:28] <popey> nice!
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> 51 plate
[15:28] <popey> bar-gain
[15:28] <popey> hah, same as mine
[15:28] <popey> petrol or taxi?
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2.4 Turbo.
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Very clean
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Petrol
[15:28] <popey> how many furlongs?
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Very similar to my old one. Photos to follow.
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> 132k
[15:28] <popey> similar to mine
[15:29] <popey> is it an SE? leather etc?
[15:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> All Leather, loads of toys :-)
[15:29] <popey> ☺
[15:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> More than my old one
[15:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Heated seats
[15:29] <popey> ooh, mine doesnt have that
[15:30] <popey> but i always feel like I've shit my pants in a car with heated seats
[15:32] <mungbean> any regular get_iplayer users know how i can download programmes directly as mpeg-4 enclosed in avi?
[15:33] <brobostigon> Mar 19 15:25:40 raspberrypi motion: [1] config image height (232) is not modulo 16
[15:33] <brobostigon> any ideas what that error output from motion means?
[15:33] <brobostigon> mungbean: install ffmpeg.
[15:34] <popey> mungbean: surely you can only download what they put out, which is always h.264 isn't it?
[15:34] <popey> and then convert as brobostigon says with ffmpeg / libav
[15:35] <mungbean> the documentation isn't great for get_ipplayer, but it seems you can ask it to spawn ffmpeg to convert for you , right?
[15:36] <popey> it does by default
[15:36] <popey> to change the container from .flv to .mp4 iirc
[15:36] <popey> not used it for a while
[15:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: See G+ for totally uninteresting pictures
[15:36] <brobostigon> yep. install ffmpeg, and get-iplayer will do it automatically.
[15:37] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: nice ☺
[15:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Like the fact they're the same colour! New one has cream leather. Old one was black
[15:38] <brobostigon> nice car.
[15:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a lot of car for £2k brobostigon
[15:38] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: definatly, yes, :)
[15:39] <popey> I'd be tempted to get another when mine dies
[15:39] <popey> dashboard is dead on mine ☹
[15:39]  * brobostigon continues searching for that error.
[15:39] <mungbean> brobostigon: sorry, bit confused, got any examples?
[15:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> we decided to not make a big decision yet. This should do us for a while until we can finally make up our minds on what we really should do.
[15:39] <popey> wise
[15:40] <brobostigon> mungbean: for example. yesterday i pulled an ep of dr who with get-iplayer, i had ffmpeg installed, so get-iplayer did the conversion an ended up with a *mp4.
[15:40] <mungbean> brobostigon: got the command in your history please?
[15:41] <brobostigon> mungbean: moment.
[15:41] <mungbean> cheers
[15:41] <mungbean> just had a baby and surviving on zero sleep and cannot do any brain work
[15:41] <popey> mungbean: you dont have to explicitly ask it to, if it finds ffmpeg it does it
[15:41] <mungbean> my dvd player accepts .avi files in mpeg-4 format
[15:42] <brobostigon> yep, "get-iplayer --nopurge --get 281"
[15:43] <mungbean> wow, that's it?
[15:43] <brobostigon> yes.
[15:44] <popey> that wont get hd tho
[15:44] <popey> not that you need it with your telly :D
[15:44] <brobostigon> quite, :)
[15:55] <mungbean> ah, i'm coming up against my usual ffmpeg problem
[15:56] <mungbean> This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead.
[15:56] <mungbean> Unknown encoder 'libmp3lame'
[15:57] <mungbean> whic halways yields out of date info about whether ubuntu ffmpeg is supporting mp3 or not :(
[15:58] <popey> there's a libavcodec* package
[15:58] <popey> and one called libavcodec*-extras
[15:59] <mungbean> Package libavcodec-extra-52 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[15:59] <mungbean> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[15:59] <mungbean> is only available from another source
[15:59] <mungbean> E: Package 'libavcodec-extra-52' has no installation candidate
[15:59] <popey> what version of ubuntu?
[15:59] <mungbean> 1204
[16:00] <popey> it's -53
[16:00] <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/libavcodec-extra-53
[16:01] <mungbean> just realised i was copying an old suggestion :(
[16:01] <mungbean> 53 is working thanks
[16:01] <mungbean> tries again...
[16:02] <mungbean> \o/ thanks
[16:02] <popey> note that it depends on liblame.. which fixes your mp3 issue
[16:02] <mungbean> i had libavcodec53 not extra..
[16:03] <mungbean> and liblame was installed
[16:03] <popey> interesting
[16:03] <mungbean> but ffmpeg seems to be working
[16:03] <popey> well, ffmpeg wouldn't have used it unless you have extra i think
[16:03] <popey> silly encumbered codecs
[16:09] <brobostigon> is there a way, of getting the direct setting, like the camera output res etc, from console. ?
[16:11] <mungbean> maybe gphoto?
[16:12] <popey> oooh http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1337440
[16:12] <popey> hadn't heard of streamer before
[16:12] <popey> looks handy
[16:12] <brobostigon> mungbean: gphoto does no work form terminal, it is a X prog.
[16:12] <brobostigon> from*
[16:13] <mungbean> theres a cli - gphoto2?
[16:13] <brobostigon> hmmm,
[16:17] <mungbean> was looking at it to maybe speed up photo transfer to my machine because for certain cameras it supports getting only new files
[16:17] <mungbean> but it doesn't tell you which cameras
[16:19] <brobostigon> mungbean: does it work with webcams?
[16:19] <brobostigon> mungbean: as it seems to be still cameras only.
[16:20] <mungbean> ah, i saw camera
[16:20] <mungbean> didn't realise webcam
[16:20] <brobostigon> mungbean: yes, i was refferring to the error i was talking about earlier.
[16:29] <redtape-renegade> Just so I know ...
[16:29] <redtape-renegade> whoopsie wrong channel .XD
[16:56] <redtape-renegade> Waaaaaugh , Ive eaten too many cookies, today.
[16:58] <redtape-renegade> dwatkins, pingy
[17:04] <redtape-renegade> RyanAir have bought 175x Boeing 737's for 12 Million .. largest aircraft order in history  .. wonder if they will land in ManxLand, like Easyjet do ?
[17:07] <redtape-renegade> **12 Billion (slight error there) .. nice hostess I **** once.
[17:07] <czajkowski> redtape-renegade: just because you *** out doesnt mean we dont know what you are talking about
[17:08] <czajkowski> mind watching the language there please redtape-renegade
[17:09]  * redtape-renegade mutes himself.  The TA will be next.
[17:10] <shauno> curious fellow
[17:12] <czajkowski> *sigh*
[17:13] <Laney> ¬_¬
[17:18] <Laney> on a lighter note
[17:19]  * Laney considers going to latitude festival this summer
[17:19] <Laney> \o/
[17:41] <mungbean> :( my dvd player still isn't accepting my ffmpeg'd mpeg4 .avi files :(
[17:41] <mungbean> if its gonna be that fussy at playing files they should at least provide documentation
[18:06] <Azelphur> Anyone here happen to have an Alienware M15x?
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: apparently not
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[18:50] <Azelphur> indeed :(
[18:50] <Azelphur> seems my brother has bricked his
[18:50] <Azelphur> bad bios update, won't turn on at all, no lights, no nothing.
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[18:50] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Find the flash chip, attach in-circuit programmer? ;)
[18:52] <Azelphur> haha, beyond me
[20:04]  * awilkins hates launchpad build queue priorities
[20:05] <awilkins> (but only when they affect me personally)
[22:16] <redtape-renegade> More 4 won't play Live in my chromium browser ( I just registered with my gmail) .... Is there anything I need to know about that , to getn it to work ??
[22:16] <redtape-renegade> **that, to get it to work ?
[22:19] <redtape-renegade> ** I've also tried it in FFox to the same result..
[22:24] <redtape-renegade> Oh, It says now that I have insufficient bandwidth speed .. Well that a pound a day for internet down the tubes then .. it's usually over a Megabit a minute.
[22:26] <shauno> I recently discovered I can 'trick' 150mbit out of mine.  it seems like a rather broken behaviour though