| pleia2 | bkerensa: jetpack is a bit overkill for just x-posting :) | 03:28 |
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| pleia2 | we used to use identica to post to twitter, but it was terribly unreliable | 03:31 |
| pleia2 | I don't like any solutions I'm finding | 03:39 |
| philipballew | I use the twitter web ui for all my tweets, or if im on the road, my go phone I got a the goodwill. | 03:51 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: looking for something for this team, posterous is going away | 03:52 |
| philipballew | pleia2, Can't we just use the web ui? It is really nice. | 03:52 |
| pleia2 | for Ubuntu Women I just log into identi.ca and it x-posts to twitter, manually do facebook and G+ | 03:52 |
| pleia2 | it's 4 web UIs | 03:52 |
| pleia2 | identica, twitter, facebook and G+ | 03:52 |
| pleia2 | (we don't really do G+ at the moment though) | 03:53 |
| philipballew | I think I can look into how to better our g+ presence. | 03:53 |
| pleia2 | manually cross-posting just seems silly | 03:53 |
| philipballew | why should we cross post? | 03:54 |
| philipballew | That just gives people less reason to follow us on all platforms. | 03:54 |
| pleia2 | we have different followers in each place | 03:54 |
| pleia2 | some people just do identica, or just do twitter, or just do facebook | 03:54 |
| pleia2 | a lot won't touch facebook at all | 03:55 |
| philipballew | Some people just do identica? Odd. | 03:55 |
| pleia2 | but for some it's all they use | 03:55 |
| philipballew | Twitter is all I do. | 03:55 |
| pleia2 | not odd, it's the only open source solution | 03:55 |
| philipballew | ah, I guess that makes sense, | 03:55 |
| pleia2 | yeah, since we're an open source project and all ;) | 03:56 |
| MarkDude | *Preaching to the choir* is much easier with a limited audience | 03:56 |
| pleia2 | lol | 03:56 |
| pleia2 | anyway, we've always posted to all these mediums so I'd like to continue | 03:56 |
| philipballew | Gwibber should be able to do it. thats the default for Ubuntu, you know the distro you and I run. | 03:57 |
| pleia2 | well, except G+ ;) | 03:57 |
| MarkDude | But YES, you are not really Open Source unless you use it, and complain about Twitter, Mono, etc | 03:57 |
| philipballew | Id like to do some Ubuntu Hours with us over a google hangout | 03:57 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: I use Xubuntu, where it's broken | 03:57 |
| philipballew | for poeple who live in Rural areas | 03:57 |
| pleia2 | that only takes care of identica and twitter anyway | 03:57 |
| * MarkDude is actually been using Mint with MATE and also trying KDE | 03:57 | |
| MarkDude | KDE is the winner for me at this pont | 03:57 |
| MarkDude | point | 03:57 |
| pleia2 | turns out facebook pages are a pain to update :) | 03:58 |
| philipballew | pleia2, yeah, lots of decisions. | 03:58 |
| philipballew | I only use twitter for the most part | 03:58 |
| philipballew | I try to tweet about 50 times a day, but often only get 30. | 03:58 |
| pleia2 | maybe we just go back to doing identica > twitter, and manually do fb and g+ | 03:58 |
| pleia2 | heh | 03:58 |
| philipballew | Myspece? | 03:58 |
| philipballew | Friendster? | 03:59 |
| MarkDude | Fedora has been trying to make sumthin' to do what Posterous did, but has not achieved anything. A few have called the attempt vaporware :D | 03:59 |
| philipballew | My favorite social site is Reddit though. | 03:59 |
| pleia2 | "Connect your Twitter account to share your updates with your Twitter friends and vice-versa." | 03:59 |
| pleia2 | huh, so could use twitter to update identica | 04:00 |
| * philipballew subscribes to r/fedora | 04:00 | |
| pleia2 | actually, no, this is just identica to twitter | 04:00 |
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| philipballew | pleia2, so gwibber is not working in xfce at the moment? | 04:08 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: right, it hooks into the gnome settings for accounts now, which are kind of fail in Xubuntu (shotwell is similar, no flickr upload, I had to install pristine shotwell from a ppa) | 04:09 |
| philipballew | Thats why I dont trust software I have not written myself | 04:10 |
| pleia2 | hahah | 04:10 |
| philipballew | I have had libre office open for the past 12 hours straight and no problems. However I feel your pain for software not working because I use Libre office a lot | 04:11 |
| * philipballew has a docx open so that makes him a closed source monster | 04:12 | |
| MarkDude | Horrible human being you are philipballew | 04:13 |
| * MarkDude assumes you dont like kittens either | 04:14 | |
| * philipballew is annoyed Microsoft Word will not open his odt witht he right formatting so he can print his paper from the school computers. | 04:14 | |
| pleia2 | pdfs ftw | 04:14 |
| geofft | you can just ftp them directly to your printer! | 04:15 |
| geofft | (this is true of a scarily large number of printers) | 04:15 |
| pleia2 | I rediscovered the lpr command recently, when I was too lazy to go from my couch to my desk and wanted to print something | 04:15 |
| philipballew | geofft, if my school admins knew how to set up a network printer I would not have to use windows as a middle man here | 04:15 |
| pleia2 | "huh, I wonder if this will work" *printer noise* #win | 04:15 |
| geofft | haha | 04:16 |
| pleia2 | haven't quite sorted out the robot to pick it up off the printer and bring it to me yet | 04:16 |
| geofft | I am so glad that I don't care about printers any more | 04:16 |
| philipballew | I like to run spell checker in msword to so I can get twice the checking of my errors, | 04:16 |
| philipballew | we have the option in some college classes to email the paper to the prof | 04:17 |
| geofft | like the moment when I started reimplementing LPD lpq in pure-python in the lpq wrapper script | 04:17 |
| geofft | to work around some cups bug or another | 04:17 |
| geofft | was probably the moment I should have realized something somewhere was wrong | 04:17 |
| MarkDude | Train cats to do your biddings | 04:17 |
| philipballew | whats a printer cup? | 04:17 |
| * philipballew does MarkDude 's biddings | 04:17 | |
| geofft | alledegly it's common, unix, and printing. | 04:18 |
| pleia2 | I can't talk about cups in a CoC-abiding channel :) | 04:18 |
| geofft | in my experience it's none of the three | 04:18 |
| pleia2 | haha | 04:18 |
| geofft | obscure Apple jammed system is more like it. | 04:18 |
| philipballew | time to move to #SwearWithPhil | 04:18 |
| pleia2 | after I got over the panic of apple aquiring cups I was actually hopeful for about 47 minutes that it would lead to improvements | 04:19 |
| philipballew | did it? | 04:19 |
| * MarkDude heard you can swear in #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic | 04:19 | |
| pleia2 | I didn't notice any difference | 04:19 |
| * MarkDude is kidding | 04:19 | |
| MarkDude | this is NOT true :D | 04:20 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: troublemaker :P | 04:20 |
| MarkDude | :) | 04:20 |
| pleia2 | also, where have you been, I haven't seen you in like a zillion months | 04:20 |
| MarkDude | Busy busy | 04:21 |
| pleia2 | ts | 04:21 |
| pleia2 | tsk | 04:21 |
| MarkDude | You should make a Pi party | 04:21 |
| pleia2 | jono said he'd BBQ for us | 04:21 |
| philipballew | If I am in that area i will go | 04:22 |
| MarkDude | Very good | 04:22 |
| pleia2 | I'm thinking heather farms | 04:22 |
| MarkDude | YEs | 04:22 |
| philipballew | i should be in northers california "some times" during summer | 04:22 |
| * philipballew is living for 5 weeks in Mexico City but will be there for the rest maybe | 04:22 | |
| MarkDude | Really? | 04:23 |
| pleia2 | I can never tell when you're being serious | 04:23 |
| * MarkDude knows an epic cool dude that lives there | 04:23 | |
| MarkDude | He has cool geek parties | 04:23 |
| pleia2 | lots of cool ubuntu-mx folks down that way | 04:24 |
| pleia2 | I'll be in Mexico for 2 weeks in May, but the tourist part, with beaches and mayan ruins ;) | 04:24 |
| MarkDude | Funt times | 04:24 |
| philipballew | pleia2, yeah, gonna fly from Tijuanna to Mexico City in June. | 04:24 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: neat | 04:24 |
| philipballew | living with the loco leader there and his family | 04:25 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: wow, awesome :) | 04:25 |
| philipballew | MarkDude, who is this dude? | 04:26 |
| * pleia2 seeks dinner | 04:26 | |
| MarkDude | Juan http://k3rnel.net/2011/02/09/fedora-rally-for-sanity/ | 04:28 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Fedora: Rally for Sanity | k3rnel - Your friendly neighborhood blogger] | 04:28 |
| philipballew | oh nice! | 04:28 |
| MarkDude | Juan does Fedora stuff, has arranged for Ubuntu | 04:28 |
| philipballew | That seems cool! | 04:28 |
| MarkDude | He actually has big Fedora logo on his car, studying Japanese for extra geek points | 04:29 |
| jono | would love to BBQ :-) | 04:43 |
| jono | I assume I dont any weird permits to do it at a park :-) | 04:44 |
| MarkDude | None needed | 05:02 |
| MarkDude | We also put up red white and blue crap so we look all patriotic whilst drinking :D | 05:02 |
| * MarkDude accidentally bought spotted dick at store a few weeks ago - due to making jono joke about learning bbq and improving culinary skills | 05:03 | |
| jono | lol | 05:03 |
| MarkDude | Not sure what to do with it | 05:04 |
| MarkDude | Courtney is still laughing , and my gf was just a bit confused | 05:04 |
| * MarkDude has some rosemary for you to assist in the smoking process | 05:05 | |
| MarkDude | Will ponder the best days, and do a vote again | 05:06 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude: you awake? | 06:26 |
| MarkDude | yes | 06:36 |
| MarkDude | whats up bkerensa ? | 06:36 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude: just seeing if your going to OSCON this year or even LFNW? :D | 06:37 |
| * MarkDude might be in Philippines OSCON time | 06:38 | |
| MarkDude | LFNW nopes | 06:38 |
| bkerensa | :D | 06:47 |
| bkerensa | MarkDude: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events?rd=FedoraEvents#FY14_Q2_.28June_2013_-_Aug_2013.29 | 06:56 |
| bkerensa | No markdude =/ | 06:56 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Events - FedoraProject] | 06:56 |
| MarkDude | Well | 07:00 |
| MarkDude | Nuthin like having 6 months turn into 9 or so | 07:00 |
| * MarkDude was joking it switched to rolling release cycle | 07:01 | |
| MarkDude | We will have sumthin tho | 07:01 |
| MarkDude | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BAMF/PI | 07:01 |
| darthrobot | Title: [BAMF/PI - FedoraProject] | 07:01 |
| MarkDude | Not as centered on one Distro tho | 07:02 |
| MarkDude | Finding what works best for a user needs | 07:02 |
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| philipballew | pleia2, got the post meeting on my list today! | 15:24 |
| philipballew | kdub, Hope work is going well for you. Must be a stressful time for the project! | 15:27 |
| MarkDude | philipballew: have you seen the Tropes vs Women 1st video ? http://www.feministfrequency.com/tag/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/ | 15:37 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [Tropes Vs Women In Video Games | Feminist Frequency] | 15:37 |
| philipballew | Never MarkDude | 15:39 |
| MarkDude | It has a bit of a backstory | 15:39 |
| * philipballew loves a good backstory | 15:39 | |
| MarkDude | The lady making it was harassed by internet asses | 15:40 |
| MarkDude | Just for the concept | 15:40 |
| * philipballew also loves a good back scratch | 15:40 | |
| MarkDude | lol | 15:40 |
| MarkDude | she was asking for like $6000 | 15:40 |
| MarkDude | Got $160,000 | 15:41 |
| philipballew | Maybe she needs to find a better place online to go to and avoid internet jerks. | 15:41 |
| MarkDude | I dont think it works that way | 15:41 |
| * MarkDude thinks it would be better to call in Jo Anna | 15:42 | |
| MarkDude | http://joannasayshola.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/xkcd-comic/ | 15:43 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [xkcd comic | Joanna Says Hola] | 15:43 |
| pleia2 | you can't avoid internet jerks, they come to you (believe me) | 17:18 |
| pleia2 | it's been a whole 7 months since I've received a threat | 17:19 |
| Torikun | I just heard Ubuntu will not go rollign release =( | 17:39 |
| akk | They've been discussing the possibility. Has it actually been decided? | 17:42 |
| philipballew | akk Torikun http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-to-halve-support-length-for-non-LTS-releases-1825716.html | 17:43 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [Ubuntu to halve support length for non-LTS releases - The H Open: News and Features] | 17:43 |
| Torikun | Yeah that article philipballew | 17:43 |
| akk | Am I reading that wrong? That seems like it says they're not doing rolling releases, but it's a bit ambiguous. | 17:46 |
| Torikun | I hear no | 17:46 |
| akk | Reducing support time from 18 months seems very reasonable, though it's a bummer that they made it 9 months rather than a year | 17:46 |
| Torikun | I heard the support is often lacky anyway | 17:47 |
| akk | which means you can't ever skip a release if it doesn't work right for you. | 17:47 |
| Torikun | they do not spend too much times fixing non-lts bugs | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | the article is goofy, there were 2 things decided: | 17:47 |
| akk | There isn't really any support in terms of bugfixing -- never has been | 17:47 |
| Torikun | what what is their support | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | 1. half support for 6 month releases to reduce maintenace burden | 17:47 |
| akk | but there's support in terms of getting security updates, which is very important. | 17:47 |
| Torikun | They should only support the release until the next release | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | 2. provide a development rolling release that goes through all of this for folks who want to track it, so they don't stop at 13.04, they just stick to the development sources | 17:48 |
| akk | Ah, so there's an optional rolling release (like debian sid) but it doesn't replace regular 6 month releases? | 17:48 |
| akk | That's a good setup. | 17:48 |
| pleia2 | right | 17:49 |
| akk | Didn't they sort of have that already, though, with people just using the alpha of the next release? | 17:49 |
| pleia2 | there was always a stopping point at a release, eventually the alpha became the release | 17:49 |
| akk | This way they don't have to change the release names in /etc/apt/sources.list every time. | 17:49 |
| Torikun | They should stop wastign resources on releases when they release a new one | 17:49 |
| Torikun | that willo help | 17:49 |
| akk | Torikun: So everyone should be forced to upgrade to new releases immediately when the release comes out? | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | the alpha of the next release always came a couple weeks after a release, so they'd have to wait and switch over | 17:50 |
| Torikun | They have the choice to upgrade, not forced | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | I'm not sure the exact mechanics of this have been worked out though :) | 17:50 |
| akk | Torikun: It's not a choice if the release you're on stops getting security updates. | 17:50 |
| Torikun | It is always a choice | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | it's unclear to me whether the dev branch will freeze or not when the release branch does | 17:51 |
| akk | Well, it's a bad choice, then. :) | 17:51 |
| Torikun | well maybe everyone does not need the latest security fixes | 17:51 |
| akk | I wouldn't run an OS that didn't get security fixes. | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | (makes sense that it wouldn't freeze, the myth that developers will focus on bugs if the release is frozen is unsatisfying) | 17:51 |
| akk | (we won't discuss how often I apt-get upgrade -- not all that often -- but it's a lot more often then every 6 months) | 17:52 |
| Torikun | Ubuntu made it more efficient to upgrade from release to release right? | 17:52 |
| Torikun | so upgrade to your next release as a way to stay more secure with fixes | 17:52 |
| akk | Yeah. Except when a release comes out that doesn't support your hardware or breaks a critical package. | 17:53 |
| akk | I've skipped releases for that reason, and it was nice that the old release had support until the n+2 release came out. | 17:53 |
| akk | Now people will have to build packages themselves, or downgrade to the last LTS, if that happens. | 17:53 |
| akk | On the bright side, it seems like it's been happening a lot less often. | 17:54 |
| Torikun | ah just use CentOS or Debian SID lol | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | it turns out it's crazy expensive to support a release for 18 months when the vast majority of users who use the 6 month releases upgrade to the next one pretty quickly | 17:54 |
| akk | And it's good that resources won't have to go to security fixes for 3 releases at a time any more. | 17:55 |
| akk | Yeah, 18 months is crazy-long. | 17:55 |
| Torikun | pleia2: your right | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | so 9 months gives people 3 months to upgrade | 17:55 |
| Torikun | ok 7 month support! | 17:55 |
| Torikun | no more | 17:55 |
| pleia2 | 9 months was the decision | 17:55 |
| Torikun | let me email Mark now | 17:55 |
| Torikun | lol | 17:55 |
| akk | I was just saying how releases that don't work on particular hardware was getting less common -- | 18:45 |
| akk | and an hour later, mail comes over ubuntu-devel-discuss about how Quantal can't suspend on thinkpad X201 | 18:46 |
| akk | which would be a showstopper for me (I never got around to upgrading to quantal, but now I'm glad). | 18:46 |
| pleia2 | I'm happy about how well suspend works on my lenovo, even in raring | 18:54 |
| akk | It works great on my Dell; on the Lenovo in Pangolin, it works about 80% of the time so I have to keep an eye on it. | 18:58 |
| akk | But it sounds like it got a lot worse in Quetzal. | 18:59 |
| akk | It's apparently a function of being connected to an external monitor. | 18:59 |
| akk | (which I never do with the Dell, except projectors) | 19:00 |
| === greg-g is now known as GregoryGrossmeie | ||
| === GregoryGrossmeie is now known as greg-g | ||
| MarkDude | pdpc is going away | 22:35 |
| * MarkDude predicts mass hysteria http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk | 22:35 | |
| darthrobot` | Title: [Mass Hysteria - YouTube] | 22:35 |
| MarkDude | Geeknic is ostensibly on it's own | 22:36 |
| raevol | what's pdpc | 22:37 |
| geofft | It was the non-profit that runs Freenode. | 22:39 |
| raevol | i see | 22:39 |
| * MarkDude wrote that in sarcasm font , btw | 22:42 | |
| MarkDude | Well not the geeknic part | 22:42 |
| MarkDude | Some mechanism will likely deal with the cloaks in the mid -longterm, imho | 22:43 |
| greg-g | why do we need long term support for cloaks that indicate supporting an organization that no longer exists? | 22:55 |
| raevol | hehehe | 22:57 |
| * MarkDude bows to such logic. | 23:16 | |
| MarkDude | <my argument is invalid> | 23:17 |
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