[03:28] bkerensa: jetpack is a bit overkill for just x-posting :) [03:31] we used to use identica to post to twitter, but it was terribly unreliable [03:39] I don't like any solutions I'm finding [03:51] I use the twitter web ui for all my tweets, or if im on the road, my go phone I got a the goodwill. [03:52] philipballew: looking for something for this team, posterous is going away [03:52] pleia2, Can't we just use the web ui? It is really nice. [03:52] for Ubuntu Women I just log into identi.ca and it x-posts to twitter, manually do facebook and G+ [03:52] it's 4 web UIs [03:52] identica, twitter, facebook and G+ [03:53] (we don't really do G+ at the moment though) [03:53] I think I can look into how to better our g+ presence. [03:53] manually cross-posting just seems silly [03:54] why should we cross post? [03:54] That just gives people less reason to follow us on all platforms. [03:54] we have different followers in each place [03:54] some people just do identica, or just do twitter, or just do facebook [03:55] a lot won't touch facebook at all [03:55] Some people just do identica? Odd. [03:55] but for some it's all they use [03:55] Twitter is all I do. [03:55] not odd, it's the only open source solution [03:55] ah, I guess that makes sense, [03:56] yeah, since we're an open source project and all ;) [03:56] *Preaching to the choir* is much easier with a limited audience [03:56] lol [03:56] anyway, we've always posted to all these mediums so I'd like to continue [03:57] Gwibber should be able to do it. thats the default for Ubuntu, you know the distro you and I run. [03:57] well, except G+ ;) [03:57] But YES, you are not really Open Source unless you use it, and complain about Twitter, Mono, etc [03:57] Id like to do some Ubuntu Hours with us over a google hangout [03:57] philipballew: I use Xubuntu, where it's broken [03:57] for poeple who live in Rural areas [03:57] that only takes care of identica and twitter anyway [03:57] * MarkDude is actually been using Mint with MATE and also trying KDE [03:57] KDE is the winner for me at this pont [03:57] point [03:58] turns out facebook pages are a pain to update :) [03:58] pleia2, yeah, lots of decisions. [03:58] I only use twitter for the most part [03:58] I try to tweet about 50 times a day, but often only get 30. [03:58] maybe we just go back to doing identica > twitter, and manually do fb and g+ [03:58] heh [03:58] Myspece? [03:59] Friendster? [03:59] Fedora has been trying to make sumthin' to do what Posterous did, but has not achieved anything. A few have called the attempt vaporware :D [03:59] My favorite social site is Reddit though. [03:59] "Connect your Twitter account to share your updates with your Twitter friends and vice-versa." [04:00] huh, so could use twitter to update identica [04:00] * philipballew subscribes to r/fedora [04:00] actually, no, this is just identica to twitter === mikestewart is now known as ms|Zzz [04:08] pleia2, so gwibber is not working in xfce at the moment? [04:09] philipballew: right, it hooks into the gnome settings for accounts now, which are kind of fail in Xubuntu (shotwell is similar, no flickr upload, I had to install pristine shotwell from a ppa) [04:10] Thats why I dont trust software I have not written myself [04:10] hahah [04:11] I have had libre office open for the past 12 hours straight and no problems. However I feel your pain for software not working because I use Libre office a lot [04:12] * philipballew has a docx open so that makes him a closed source monster [04:13] Horrible human being you are philipballew [04:14] * MarkDude assumes you dont like kittens either [04:14] * philipballew is annoyed Microsoft Word will not open his odt witht he right formatting so he can print his paper from the school computers. [04:14] pdfs ftw [04:15] you can just ftp them directly to your printer! [04:15] (this is true of a scarily large number of printers) [04:15] I rediscovered the lpr command recently, when I was too lazy to go from my couch to my desk and wanted to print something [04:15] geofft, if my school admins knew how to set up a network printer I would not have to use windows as a middle man here [04:15] "huh, I wonder if this will work" *printer noise* #win [04:16] haha [04:16] haven't quite sorted out the robot to pick it up off the printer and bring it to me yet [04:16] I am so glad that I don't care about printers any more [04:16] I like to run spell checker in msword to so I can get twice the checking of my errors, [04:17] we have the option in some college classes to email the paper to the prof [04:17] like the moment when I started reimplementing LPD lpq in pure-python in the lpq wrapper script [04:17] to work around some cups bug or another [04:17] was probably the moment I should have realized something somewhere was wrong [04:17] Train cats to do your biddings [04:17] whats a printer cup? [04:17] * philipballew does MarkDude 's biddings [04:18] alledegly it's common, unix, and printing. [04:18] I can't talk about cups in a CoC-abiding channel :) [04:18] in my experience it's none of the three [04:18] haha [04:18] obscure Apple jammed system is more like it. [04:18] time to move to #SwearWithPhil [04:19] after I got over the panic of apple aquiring cups I was actually hopeful for about 47 minutes that it would lead to improvements [04:19] did it? [04:19] * MarkDude heard you can swear in #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic [04:19] I didn't notice any difference [04:19] * MarkDude is kidding [04:20] this is NOT true :D [04:20] MarkDude: troublemaker :P [04:20] :) [04:20] also, where have you been, I haven't seen you in like a zillion months [04:21] Busy busy [04:21] ts [04:21] tsk [04:21] You should make a Pi party [04:21] jono said he'd BBQ for us [04:22] If I am in that area i will go [04:22] Very good [04:22] I'm thinking heather farms [04:22] YEs [04:22] i should be in northers california "some times" during summer [04:22] * philipballew is living for 5 weeks in Mexico City but will be there for the rest maybe [04:23] Really? [04:23] I can never tell when you're being serious [04:23] * MarkDude knows an epic cool dude that lives there [04:23] He has cool geek parties [04:24] lots of cool ubuntu-mx folks down that way [04:24] I'll be in Mexico for 2 weeks in May, but the tourist part, with beaches and mayan ruins ;) [04:24] Funt times [04:24] pleia2, yeah, gonna fly from Tijuanna to Mexico City in June. [04:24] philipballew: neat [04:25] living with the loco leader there and his family [04:25] philipballew: wow, awesome :) [04:26] MarkDude, who is this dude? [04:26] * pleia2 seeks dinner [04:28] Juan http://k3rnel.net/2011/02/09/fedora-rally-for-sanity/ [04:28] Title: [Fedora: Rally for Sanity | k3rnel - Your friendly neighborhood blogger] [04:28] oh nice! [04:28] Juan does Fedora stuff, has arranged for Ubuntu [04:28] That seems cool! [04:29] He actually has big Fedora logo on his car, studying Japanese for extra geek points [04:43] would love to BBQ :-) [04:44] I assume I dont any weird permits to do it at a park :-) [05:02] None needed [05:02] We also put up red white and blue crap so we look all patriotic whilst drinking :D [05:03] * MarkDude accidentally bought spotted dick at store a few weeks ago - due to making jono joke about learning bbq and improving culinary skills [05:03] lol [05:04] Not sure what to do with it [05:04] Courtney is still laughing , and my gf was just a bit confused [05:05] * MarkDude has some rosemary for you to assist in the smoking process [05:06] Will ponder the best days, and do a vote again [06:26] MarkDude: you awake? [06:36] yes [06:36] whats up bkerensa ? [06:37] MarkDude: just seeing if your going to OSCON this year or even LFNW? :D [06:38] * MarkDude might be in Philippines OSCON time [06:38] LFNW nopes [06:47] :D [06:56] MarkDude: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events?rd=FedoraEvents#FY14_Q2_.28June_2013_-_Aug_2013.29 [06:56] No markdude =/ [06:56] Title: [Events - FedoraProject] [07:00] Well [07:00] Nuthin like having 6 months turn into 9 or so [07:01] * MarkDude was joking it switched to rolling release cycle [07:01] We will have sumthin tho [07:01] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BAMF/PI [07:01] Title: [BAMF/PI - FedoraProject] [07:02] Not as centered on one Distro tho [07:02] Finding what works best for a user needs === dk_ is now known as Guest35783 [15:24] pleia2, got the post meeting on my list today! [15:27] kdub, Hope work is going well for you. Must be a stressful time for the project! [15:37] philipballew: have you seen the Tropes vs Women 1st video ? http://www.feministfrequency.com/tag/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/ [15:37] Title: [Tropes Vs Women In Video Games | Feminist Frequency] [15:39] Never MarkDude [15:39] It has a bit of a backstory [15:39] * philipballew loves a good backstory [15:40] The lady making it was harassed by internet asses [15:40] Just for the concept [15:40] * philipballew also loves a good back scratch [15:40] lol [15:40] she was asking for like $6000 [15:41] Got $160,000 [15:41] Maybe she needs to find a better place online to go to and avoid internet jerks. [15:41] I dont think it works that way [15:42] * MarkDude thinks it would be better to call in Jo Anna [15:43] http://joannasayshola.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/xkcd-comic/ [15:43] Title: [xkcd comic | Joanna Says Hola] [17:18] you can't avoid internet jerks, they come to you (believe me) [17:19] it's been a whole 7 months since I've received a threat [17:39] I just heard Ubuntu will not go rollign release =( [17:42] They've been discussing the possibility. Has it actually been decided? [17:43] akk Torikun http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-to-halve-support-length-for-non-LTS-releases-1825716.html [17:43] Title: [Ubuntu to halve support length for non-LTS releases - The H Open: News and Features] [17:43] Yeah that article philipballew [17:46] Am I reading that wrong? That seems like it says they're not doing rolling releases, but it's a bit ambiguous. [17:46] I hear no [17:46] Reducing support time from 18 months seems very reasonable, though it's a bummer that they made it 9 months rather than a year [17:47] I heard the support is often lacky anyway [17:47] which means you can't ever skip a release if it doesn't work right for you. [17:47] they do not spend too much times fixing non-lts bugs [17:47] the article is goofy, there were 2 things decided: [17:47] There isn't really any support in terms of bugfixing -- never has been [17:47] what what is their support [17:47] 1. half support for 6 month releases to reduce maintenace burden [17:47] but there's support in terms of getting security updates, which is very important. [17:47] They should only support the release until the next release [17:48] 2. provide a development rolling release that goes through all of this for folks who want to track it, so they don't stop at 13.04, they just stick to the development sources [17:48] Ah, so there's an optional rolling release (like debian sid) but it doesn't replace regular 6 month releases? [17:48] That's a good setup. [17:49] right [17:49] Didn't they sort of have that already, though, with people just using the alpha of the next release? [17:49] there was always a stopping point at a release, eventually the alpha became the release [17:49] This way they don't have to change the release names in /etc/apt/sources.list every time. [17:49] They should stop wastign resources on releases when they release a new one [17:49] that willo help [17:50] Torikun: So everyone should be forced to upgrade to new releases immediately when the release comes out? [17:50] the alpha of the next release always came a couple weeks after a release, so they'd have to wait and switch over [17:50] They have the choice to upgrade, not forced [17:50] I'm not sure the exact mechanics of this have been worked out though :) [17:50] Torikun: It's not a choice if the release you're on stops getting security updates. [17:51] It is always a choice [17:51] it's unclear to me whether the dev branch will freeze or not when the release branch does [17:51] Well, it's a bad choice, then. :) [17:51] well maybe everyone does not need the latest security fixes [17:51] I wouldn't run an OS that didn't get security fixes. [17:51] (makes sense that it wouldn't freeze, the myth that developers will focus on bugs if the release is frozen is unsatisfying) [17:52] (we won't discuss how often I apt-get upgrade -- not all that often -- but it's a lot more often then every 6 months) [17:52] Ubuntu made it more efficient to upgrade from release to release right? [17:52] so upgrade to your next release as a way to stay more secure with fixes [17:53] Yeah. Except when a release comes out that doesn't support your hardware or breaks a critical package. [17:53] I've skipped releases for that reason, and it was nice that the old release had support until the n+2 release came out. [17:53] Now people will have to build packages themselves, or downgrade to the last LTS, if that happens. [17:54] On the bright side, it seems like it's been happening a lot less often. [17:54] ah just use CentOS or Debian SID lol [17:54] it turns out it's crazy expensive to support a release for 18 months when the vast majority of users who use the 6 month releases upgrade to the next one pretty quickly [17:55] And it's good that resources won't have to go to security fixes for 3 releases at a time any more. [17:55] Yeah, 18 months is crazy-long. [17:55] pleia2: your right [17:55] so 9 months gives people 3 months to upgrade [17:55] ok 7 month support! [17:55] no more [17:55] 9 months was the decision [17:55] let me email Mark now [17:55] lol [18:45] I was just saying how releases that don't work on particular hardware was getting less common -- [18:46] and an hour later, mail comes over ubuntu-devel-discuss about how Quantal can't suspend on thinkpad X201 [18:46] which would be a showstopper for me (I never got around to upgrading to quantal, but now I'm glad). [18:54] I'm happy about how well suspend works on my lenovo, even in raring [18:58] It works great on my Dell; on the Lenovo in Pangolin, it works about 80% of the time so I have to keep an eye on it. [18:59] But it sounds like it got a lot worse in Quetzal. [18:59] It's apparently a function of being connected to an external monitor. [19:00] (which I never do with the Dell, except projectors) === greg-g is now known as GregoryGrossmeie === GregoryGrossmeie is now known as greg-g [22:35] pdpc is going away [22:35] * MarkDude predicts mass hysteria http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk [22:35] Title: [Mass Hysteria - YouTube] [22:36] Geeknic is ostensibly on it's own [22:37] what's pdpc [22:39] It was the non-profit that runs Freenode. [22:39] i see [22:42] * MarkDude wrote that in sarcasm font , btw [22:42] Well not the geeknic part [22:43] Some mechanism will likely deal with the cloaks in the mid -longterm, imho [22:55] why do we need long term support for cloaks that indicate supporting an organization that no longer exists? [22:57] hehehe [23:16] * MarkDude bows to such logic. [23:17]