[03:28] <pleia2> bkerensa: jetpack is a bit overkill for just x-posting :)
[03:31] <pleia2> we used to use identica to post to twitter, but it was terribly unreliable
[03:39] <pleia2> I don't like any solutions I'm finding
[03:51] <philipballew> I use the twitter web ui for all my tweets, or if im on the road, my go phone I got a the goodwill.
[03:52] <pleia2> philipballew: looking for something for this team, posterous is going away
[03:52] <philipballew> pleia2, Can't we just use the web ui? It is really nice.
[03:52] <pleia2> for Ubuntu Women I just log into identi.ca and it x-posts to twitter, manually do facebook and G+
[03:52] <pleia2> it's 4 web UIs
[03:52] <pleia2> identica, twitter, facebook and G+
[03:53] <pleia2> (we don't really do G+ at the moment though)
[03:53] <philipballew> I think I can look into how to better our g+ presence.
[03:53] <pleia2> manually cross-posting just seems silly
[03:54] <philipballew> why should we cross post?
[03:54] <philipballew> That just gives people less reason to follow us on all platforms.
[03:54] <pleia2> we have different followers in each place
[03:54] <pleia2> some people just do identica, or just do twitter, or just do facebook
[03:55] <pleia2> a lot won't touch facebook at all
[03:55] <philipballew> Some people just do identica? Odd.
[03:55] <pleia2> but for some it's all they use
[03:55] <philipballew> Twitter is all I do.
[03:55] <pleia2> not odd, it's the only open source solution
[03:55] <philipballew> ah, I guess that makes sense,
[03:56] <pleia2> yeah, since we're an open source project and all ;)
[03:56] <MarkDude> *Preaching to the choir* is much easier with a limited audience
[03:56] <pleia2> lol
[03:56] <pleia2> anyway, we've always posted to all these mediums so I'd like to continue
[03:57] <philipballew> Gwibber should be able to do it. thats the default for Ubuntu, you know the distro you and I run.
[03:57] <pleia2> well, except G+ ;)
[03:57] <MarkDude> But YES, you are not really Open Source unless you use it, and complain about Twitter, Mono, etc
[03:57] <philipballew> Id like to do some Ubuntu Hours with us over a google hangout
[03:57] <pleia2> philipballew: I use Xubuntu, where it's broken
[03:57] <philipballew> for poeple who live in Rural areas
[03:57] <pleia2> that only takes care of identica and twitter anyway
[03:57]  * MarkDude is actually been using Mint with MATE and also trying KDE
[03:57] <MarkDude> KDE is the winner for me at this pont
[03:57] <MarkDude> point
[03:58] <pleia2> turns out facebook pages are a pain to update :)
[03:58] <philipballew> pleia2, yeah, lots of decisions.
[03:58] <philipballew> I only use twitter for the most part
[03:58] <philipballew> I try to tweet about 50 times a day, but often only get 30.
[03:58] <pleia2> maybe we just go back to doing identica > twitter, and manually do fb and g+
[03:58] <pleia2> heh
[03:58] <philipballew> Myspece?
[03:59] <philipballew> Friendster?
[03:59] <MarkDude> Fedora has been trying to make sumthin' to do what Posterous did, but has not achieved anything. A few have called the attempt vaporware :D
[03:59] <philipballew> My favorite social site is Reddit though.
[03:59] <pleia2> "Connect your Twitter account to share your updates with your Twitter friends and vice-versa."
[04:00] <pleia2> huh, so could use twitter to update identica
[04:00]  * philipballew subscribes to r/fedora
[04:00] <pleia2> actually, no, this is just identica to twitter
[04:08] <philipballew> pleia2, so gwibber is not working in xfce at the moment?
[04:09] <pleia2> philipballew: right, it hooks into the gnome settings for accounts now, which are kind of fail in Xubuntu (shotwell is similar, no flickr upload, I had to install pristine shotwell from a ppa)
[04:10] <philipballew> Thats why I dont trust software I have not written myself
[04:10] <pleia2> hahah
[04:11] <philipballew> I have had libre office open for the past 12 hours straight and no problems. However I feel your pain for software not working because I use Libre office a lot
[04:12]  * philipballew has a docx open so that makes him a closed source monster
[04:13] <MarkDude> Horrible human being you are philipballew
[04:14]  * MarkDude assumes you dont like kittens either
[04:14]  * philipballew is annoyed Microsoft Word will not open his odt witht he right formatting so he can print his paper from the school computers.
[04:14] <pleia2> pdfs ftw
[04:15] <geofft> you can just ftp them directly to your printer!
[04:15] <geofft> (this is true of a scarily large number of printers)
[04:15] <pleia2> I rediscovered the lpr command recently, when I was too lazy to go from my couch to my desk and wanted to print something
[04:15] <philipballew> geofft, if my school admins knew how to set up a network printer I would not have to use windows as a middle man here
[04:15] <pleia2> "huh, I wonder if this will work" *printer noise* #win
[04:16] <geofft> haha
[04:16] <pleia2> haven't quite sorted out the robot to pick it up off the printer and bring it to me yet
[04:16] <geofft> I am so glad that I don't care about printers any more
[04:16] <philipballew> I like to run spell checker in msword to so I can get twice the checking of my errors,
[04:17] <philipballew> we have the option in some college classes to email the paper to the prof
[04:17] <geofft> like the moment when I started reimplementing LPD lpq in pure-python in the lpq wrapper script
[04:17] <geofft> to work around some cups bug or another
[04:17] <geofft> was probably the moment I should have realized something somewhere was wrong
[04:17] <MarkDude> Train cats to do your biddings
[04:17] <philipballew> whats a printer cup?
[04:17]  * philipballew does MarkDude 's biddings
[04:18] <geofft> alledegly it's common, unix, and printing.
[04:18] <pleia2> I can't talk about cups in a CoC-abiding channel :)
[04:18] <geofft> in my experience it's none of the three
[04:18] <pleia2> haha
[04:18] <geofft> obscure Apple jammed system is more like it.
[04:18] <philipballew> time to move to #SwearWithPhil
[04:19] <pleia2> after I got over the panic of apple aquiring cups I was actually hopeful for about 47 minutes that it would lead to improvements
[04:19] <philipballew> did it?
[04:19]  * MarkDude heard you can swear in #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic
[04:19] <pleia2> I didn't notice any difference
[04:19]  * MarkDude is kidding 
[04:20] <MarkDude> this is NOT true :D
[04:20] <pleia2> MarkDude: troublemaker :P
[04:20] <MarkDude> :)
[04:20] <pleia2> also, where have you been, I haven't seen you in like a zillion months
[04:21] <MarkDude> Busy busy
[04:21] <pleia2> ts
[04:21] <pleia2> tsk
[04:21] <MarkDude> You should make a Pi party
[04:21] <pleia2> jono said he'd BBQ for us
[04:22] <philipballew> If I am in that area i will go
[04:22] <MarkDude> Very good
[04:22] <pleia2> I'm thinking heather farms
[04:22] <MarkDude> YEs
[04:22] <philipballew> i should be in northers california "some times" during summer
[04:22]  * philipballew is living for 5 weeks in Mexico City but will be there for the rest maybe
[04:23] <MarkDude> Really?
[04:23] <pleia2> I can never tell when you're being serious
[04:23]  * MarkDude knows an epic cool dude that lives there
[04:23] <MarkDude> He has cool geek parties
[04:24] <pleia2> lots of cool ubuntu-mx folks down that way
[04:24] <pleia2> I'll be in Mexico for 2 weeks in May, but the tourist part, with beaches and mayan ruins ;)
[04:24] <MarkDude> Funt times
[04:24] <philipballew> pleia2, yeah, gonna fly from Tijuanna to Mexico City in June.
[04:24] <pleia2> philipballew: neat
[04:25] <philipballew> living with the loco leader there and his family
[04:25] <pleia2> philipballew: wow, awesome :)
[04:26] <philipballew> MarkDude, who is this dude?
[04:26]  * pleia2 seeks dinner
[04:28] <MarkDude> Juan http://k3rnel.net/2011/02/09/fedora-rally-for-sanity/
[04:28] <darthrobot> Title: [Fedora: Rally for Sanity | k3rnel - Your friendly neighborhood blogger]
[04:28] <philipballew> oh nice!
[04:28] <MarkDude> Juan does Fedora stuff, has arranged for Ubuntu
[04:28] <philipballew> That seems cool!
[04:29] <MarkDude> He actually has  big Fedora logo on his car, studying Japanese for extra geek points
[04:43] <jono> would love to BBQ :-)
[04:44] <jono> I assume I dont any weird permits to do it at a park :-)
[05:02] <MarkDude> None needed
[05:02] <MarkDude> We also put up red white and blue crap so we look all patriotic whilst drinking :D
[05:03]  * MarkDude accidentally bought spotted dick at store a few weeks ago - due to making jono joke about learning bbq and improving culinary skills
[05:03] <jono> lol
[05:04] <MarkDude> Not sure what to do with it
[05:04] <MarkDude> Courtney is still laughing , and my gf was just a bit confused
[05:05]  * MarkDude has some rosemary for you to assist in the smoking process
[05:06] <MarkDude> Will ponder the best days, and do a vote again
[06:26] <bkerensa> MarkDude: you awake?
[06:36] <MarkDude> yes
[06:36] <MarkDude> whats up bkerensa ?
[06:37] <bkerensa> MarkDude: just seeing if your going to OSCON this year or even LFNW? :D
[06:38]  * MarkDude might be in Philippines OSCON time
[06:38] <MarkDude> LFNW nopes
[06:47] <bkerensa> :D
[06:56] <bkerensa> MarkDude: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events?rd=FedoraEvents#FY14_Q2_.28June_2013_-_Aug_2013.29
[06:56] <bkerensa> No markdude =/
[06:56] <darthrobot> Title: [Events - FedoraProject]
[07:00] <MarkDude> Well
[07:00] <MarkDude> Nuthin like having 6 months turn into 9 or so
[07:01]  * MarkDude was joking it switched to rolling release cycle
[07:01] <MarkDude> We will have sumthin tho
[07:01] <MarkDude> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BAMF/PI
[07:01] <darthrobot> Title: [BAMF/PI - FedoraProject]
[07:02] <MarkDude> Not as centered on one Distro tho
[07:02] <MarkDude> Finding what works best for a user needs
[15:24] <philipballew> pleia2, got the post meeting on my list today!
[15:27] <philipballew> kdub, Hope work is going well for you. Must be a stressful time for the project!
[15:37] <MarkDude> philipballew: have you seen the Tropes vs Women 1st video ? http://www.feministfrequency.com/tag/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/
[15:37] <darthrobot`> Title: [Tropes Vs Women In Video Games | Feminist Frequency]
[15:39] <philipballew> Never MarkDude
[15:39] <MarkDude> It has a bit of a backstory
[15:39]  * philipballew loves a good backstory
[15:40] <MarkDude> The lady making it was harassed by internet asses
[15:40] <MarkDude> Just for the concept
[15:40]  * philipballew also loves a good back scratch
[15:40] <MarkDude> lol
[15:40] <MarkDude> she was asking for like $6000
[15:41] <MarkDude> Got $160,000
[15:41] <philipballew> Maybe she needs to find a better place online to go to and avoid internet jerks.
[15:41] <MarkDude> I dont think it works that way
[15:42]  * MarkDude thinks it would be better to call in Jo Anna
[15:43] <MarkDude> http://joannasayshola.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/xkcd-comic/
[15:43] <darthrobot`> Title: [xkcd comic | Joanna Says Hola]
[17:18] <pleia2> you can't avoid internet jerks, they come to you (believe me)
[17:19] <pleia2> it's been a whole 7 months since I've received a threat
[17:39] <Torikun> I just heard Ubuntu will not go rollign release =(
[17:42] <akk> They've been discussing the possibility. Has it actually been decided?
[17:43] <philipballew> akk Torikun http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-to-halve-support-length-for-non-LTS-releases-1825716.html
[17:43] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu to halve support length for non-LTS releases - The H Open: News and Features]
[17:43] <Torikun> Yeah that article philipballew
[17:46] <akk> Am I reading that wrong? That seems like it says they're not doing rolling releases, but it's a bit ambiguous.
[17:46] <Torikun> I hear no
[17:46] <akk> Reducing support time from 18 months seems very reasonable, though it's a bummer that they made it 9 months rather than a year
[17:47] <Torikun> I heard the support is often lacky anyway
[17:47] <akk> which means you can't ever skip a release if it doesn't work right for you.
[17:47] <Torikun> they do not spend too much times fixing non-lts bugs
[17:47] <pleia2> the article is goofy, there were 2 things decided:
[17:47] <akk> There isn't really any support in terms of bugfixing -- never has been
[17:47] <Torikun> what what is their support
[17:47] <pleia2> 1. half support for 6 month releases to reduce maintenace burden
[17:47] <akk> but there's support in terms of getting security updates, which is very important.
[17:47] <Torikun> They should only support the release until the next release
[17:48] <pleia2> 2. provide a development rolling release that goes through all of this for folks who want to track it, so they don't stop at 13.04, they just stick to the development sources
[17:48] <akk> Ah, so there's an optional rolling release (like debian sid) but it doesn't replace regular 6 month releases?
[17:48] <akk> That's a good setup.
[17:49] <pleia2> right
[17:49] <akk> Didn't they sort of have that already, though, with people just using the alpha of the next release?
[17:49] <pleia2> there was always a stopping point at a release, eventually the alpha became the release
[17:49] <akk> This way they don't have to change the release names in /etc/apt/sources.list every time.
[17:49] <Torikun> They should stop wastign resources on releases when they release a new one
[17:49] <Torikun> that willo help
[17:50] <akk> Torikun: So everyone should be forced to upgrade to new releases immediately when the release comes out?
[17:50] <pleia2> the alpha of the next release always came a couple weeks after a release, so they'd have to wait and switch over
[17:50] <Torikun> They have the choice to upgrade, not forced
[17:50] <pleia2> I'm not sure the exact mechanics of this have been worked out though :)
[17:50] <akk> Torikun: It's not a choice if the release you're on stops getting security updates.
[17:51] <Torikun> It is always a choice
[17:51] <pleia2> it's unclear to me whether the dev branch will freeze or not when the release branch does
[17:51] <akk> Well, it's a bad choice, then. :)
[17:51] <Torikun> well maybe everyone does not need the latest security fixes
[17:51] <akk> I wouldn't run an OS that didn't get security fixes.
[17:51] <pleia2> (makes sense that it wouldn't freeze, the myth that developers will focus on bugs if the release is frozen is unsatisfying)
[17:52] <akk> (we won't discuss how often I apt-get upgrade -- not all that often -- but it's a lot more often then every 6 months)
[17:52] <Torikun> Ubuntu made it more efficient to upgrade from release to release right?
[17:52] <Torikun> so upgrade to your next release as a way to stay more secure with fixes
[17:53] <akk> Yeah. Except when a release comes out that doesn't support your hardware or breaks a critical package.
[17:53] <akk> I've skipped releases for that reason, and it was nice that the old release had support until the n+2 release came out.
[17:53] <akk> Now people will have to build packages themselves, or downgrade to the last LTS, if that happens.
[17:54] <akk> On the bright side, it seems like it's been happening a lot less often.
[17:54] <Torikun> ah just use CentOS or Debian SID lol
[17:54] <pleia2> it turns out it's crazy expensive to support a release for 18 months when the vast majority of users who use the 6 month releases upgrade to the next one pretty quickly
[17:55] <akk> And it's good that resources won't have to go to security fixes for 3 releases at a time any more.
[17:55] <akk> Yeah, 18 months is crazy-long.
[17:55] <Torikun> pleia2: your right
[17:55] <pleia2> so 9 months gives people 3 months to upgrade
[17:55] <Torikun> ok 7 month support!
[17:55] <Torikun> no more
[17:55] <pleia2> 9 months was the decision
[17:55] <Torikun> let me email Mark now
[17:55] <Torikun> lol
[18:45] <akk> I was just saying how releases that don't work on particular hardware was getting less common --
[18:46] <akk> and an hour later, mail comes over ubuntu-devel-discuss about how Quantal can't suspend on thinkpad X201
[18:46] <akk> which would be a showstopper for me (I never got around to upgrading to quantal, but now I'm glad).
[18:54] <pleia2> I'm happy about how well suspend works on my lenovo, even in raring
[18:58] <akk> It works great on my Dell; on the Lenovo in Pangolin, it works about 80% of the time so I have to keep an eye on it.
[18:59] <akk> But it sounds like it got a lot worse in Quetzal.
[18:59] <akk> It's apparently a function of being connected to an external monitor.
[19:00] <akk> (which I never do with the Dell, except projectors)
[22:35] <MarkDude> pdpc is going away
[22:35]  * MarkDude predicts mass hysteria http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk
[22:35] <darthrobot`> Title: [Mass Hysteria - YouTube]
[22:36] <MarkDude> Geeknic is ostensibly on it's own
[22:37] <raevol> what's pdpc
[22:39] <geofft> It was the non-profit that runs Freenode.
[22:39] <raevol> i see
[22:42]  * MarkDude wrote that in sarcasm font , btw
[22:42] <MarkDude> Well not the geeknic part
[22:43] <MarkDude> Some mechanism will likely deal with the cloaks in the mid -longterm, imho
[22:55] <greg-g> why do we need long term support for cloaks that indicate supporting an organization that no longer exists?
[22:57] <raevol> hehehe
[23:16]  * MarkDude bows to such logic. 
[23:17] <MarkDude> <my argument is invalid>