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snap-lrick_h_: Yeah, well, it's a neat little toy00:09
snap-lExpensive for a neat little toy, but a neat little toy00:09
rick_h_snap-l: yea, definitely00:09
snap-lRAM is too small for an Ubuntu install either00:09
snap-l4GB RAM is low-end RAM IMHO00:10
rick_h_yea, that's true00:10
rick_h_I had a co-worker getting cranky he couldn't get an X1 with 16GB of ram and I wondered wtf he was doing00:10
snap-ltwo kvm VMs, and you're pretty much there00:11
rick_h_bah00:12
snap-lHonestly the ony reason my Phenom 9850 machine is still usable is the RAM (8GB)00:16
snap-lThat and the 4 CPUs00:16
rick_h_yea00:24
rick_h_I'm all for 8gb (though I don't think I've ever hit it)00:24
snap-lWell, Linux will hit it00:24
snap-lThat's the beauty, it'll use whatever you throw at it00:24
snap-land will swap out what it doesn't need00:25
snap-lcache, buffers, etc00:25
jcastroI'm feeling the desktop crunch too with my Phenom00:27
jcastroI'll likely snag a S76 next month00:27
snap-lYeah, when we get some mad money I might just go with System 7600:27
rick_h_yea, I sometimes get an itch to go desktop again.00:27
rick_h_and a sys76 for desktop I don't have the concerns I do with laptop needs00:27
jcastroI still need a laptop00:28
jcastrobut I use my desktop every day more00:28
rick_h_yea, defintely...for CHC :)00:28
snap-lheh00:28
snap-lThank God for Netflix00:34
snap-lJoDee is now watching Extreme Couponing00:34
snap-lBetter than paying for Cable for that garbage. :)00:35
rick_h_lol00:35
snap-lWell, she's also been sick the past few days00:37
rick_h_83bah did all this to setup mifi for CHC and just realized I won't be there this week. ugh01:15
snap-lWhere are you going to be?01:15
rick_h_home...wife's got a thing01:20
rick_h_so I've got to do music class with the boy and get him to bed01:20
snap-lTell her you need a permission slip01:20
rick_h_so I'll have to do remote participation01:20
snap-lhttps://plus.google.com/104830397600661749765/posts/jjZ2hoddge201:22
snap-lGood morning11:09
snap-lFinally done with Verizon for now11:10
snap-lLast bill was for $0.00 (coincidentally the first bill Verizon was lower than Ting. ;))11:10
snap-lTold JoDee we should switch back., She was not amused11:19
rick_h_morning11:39
rick_h_hah, so jodee is officially done with them as well then?11:40
rick_h_'ting family' :)11:40
snap-lYep, we're all Tinging here12:28
jcastrorick_h_: http://readwrite.com/2013/03/19/lenovo-why-are-you-designing-thinkpads-no-one-wants12:35
rick_h_jcastro: lol @ title12:35
rick_h_!$!$!$! Eliminating the removable battery12:36
jcastrohe has a point wrt. battery and screen12:36
rick_h_missed that nugget...12:36
jcastrome too12:36
jcastrothat's kind of a deal breaker12:36
rick_h_I get a new battery every year...*sigh*12:36
jcastroyeah12:36
jcastroand not because I swap out batteries when travelling12:36
rick_h_yea, I mean 6hrs battery life on a new 6 cell...by end of the year that's down to 412:36
jcastromostly because you have to replace them yearly12:37
rick_h_right12:37
rick_h_I mean it 'works' but it's not at full strength12:37
jcastroyeah12:37
jcastroso for me, for a laptop that counts as "not working"12:37
jcastroalso lol @ the comments12:37
jcastro"why does my phone have a higher res screen?"12:37
rick_h_I'm on board with this. N10 has more res than any monitor in my house... :(12:38
jcastroit's likely that the new X series is similarly gimped12:38
rick_h_nooooooooooo12:39
jcastrothat's just a guess12:39
rick_h_touch display can shove it...do not care12:39
rick_h_I cant' stand the finger prints on my phone/tablets/car touchscreen now12:39
rick_h_laptops are going to be even more gross in the future with touch screens12:40
jcastroindeed12:40
rick_h_damn things better come in with windshield wipers12:40
jcastrohmm, the X1 carbon doesn't have a removable battery either12:40
jcastrobut it has that quick charge thing12:40
jcastrostill .... *look of disapproval*12:40
rick_h_ugh, well can only hope they get the message and don't destroy my X-series12:41
snap-lIf I'm going to buy an expensive laptop with a non-removable battery, I'll buy an Apple12:42
jcastroThe battery isn’t easy to replace, but that moment should be a fair way off – the usual ThinkVantage tools make it possible to limit the battery’s maximum charge and so extend its lifespan at the expense of runtime.12:43
jcastroUGH.12:43
snap-lIf I can't replace the battery in less than 10 minutes (1 minute to replace the battery, 9 minutes of congratulatory beer drinking) then it's not worth it12:44
snap-lI might even give them 11 minutes, if it  means 1 minute to replace the battery, and 10 minutes of congratulatory beer drinking)12:44
rick_h_jcastro: ok, now I'm also curious if they're ditching doc connectors and such12:44
jcastrothe X1 has a dock connector12:45
snap-lYea, it's called a VGA out and USB12:45
snap-l;)12:45
jcastroyeah I so don't care about docks tbh12:45
jcastro1995.12:45
snap-lI care about docks if they give me better functionality than the device contains12:46
rick_h_I do, dual 21" display ftw12:46
snap-lotherwise, yeah12:46
jcastroI have a dedicated machine for such things12:46
rick_h_plus scanner, con call camera, etc are all plugged into usb ports on the monitor12:46
rick_h_yea, see my laptop is my machine12:46
jcastroat some point Dropbox made me not care about using the same machine for everything12:46
rick_h_my desktop hasn't been turned on for months12:46
snap-lYeah, Ubuntu One did that for me. I just don't save anything anymore. ;)12:47
* rick_h_ is too depressed to work now12:47
rick_h_well good thing we just got my wife a new machine. She's good for the next 3-4 years12:47
snap-lrick_h_: It's going to get worse12:48
jcastroI am getting a new desktop before I get a new laptop12:48
* jcastro is eying a system7612:48
snap-lpretty soon we'll have laptops that you're not even allowed to open without a service tech12:48
rick_h_since desktop == laptop I was thinking of upgrading when the new mobile chips came out at the end of the year12:48
jjessesnap-l,  isn't that a macbook air?12:48
rick_h_exactly12:48
rick_h_I guess it's been a while since I held onto a machine for 3 full years :/12:49
rick_h_maybe need to get on the annual air upgrade cycle12:49
snap-lTGhey shortened it to 6 months12:49
rick_h_heh, so I'll get two cycles out of it12:50
brouschWe'll all be working on tablets soon12:50
brouschTablets and cloud servers. what more do you need?12:50
snap-lKeyboards12:50
rick_h_hah12:50
rick_h_seriously, go look at your tablet screen and tell me you want to work on that 10hrs a day12:51
brouschMy tablet has a keyboard12:51
brouschMy tablet has better res and more pixels than my laptop12:51
snap-lbrousch: Local storage12:51
brousch32GB included with 2 SD slots12:52
snap-lLinux Operating System and a development stack12:52
brouschLinuxOnAndroid12:52
snap-lEclipse.12:52
rick_h_git12:53
snap-lrick_h_: I'm sure there's some android git thingie12:53
rick_h_and ability to load my vimrc12:53
rick_h_if it can't run my .vimrc it's not a computer yet :P12:53
brouschLoA has git and vim12:53
rick_h_and can load my .vimrc?12:53
snap-lrick_h_: I think your .vimrc passes the turing test.12:53
rick_h_https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim12:53
brouschIt's ubuntu run in a chroot12:54
rick_h_if that installs/runs then we'll chat :)12:54
brouschSo if the packages are in the ARM repo then it should work12:54
rick_h_so what's your point then? You can run ubuntu on a small arm machine?12:54
brouschYes, a tablet12:54
rick_h_this is better than a laptop how again?12:54
brouschthis is where laptops are going12:55
snap-lNow I know how the early Microcomputer adopters felt12:55
brouschI didn't say it was better, I said it is possible12:55
snap-l"single user computers. bah."12:55
snap-l"Where do you put the punch cards?"12:55
snap-l"Cassette Tape? Seriously? You can't store anything on cassettes."12:56
brouschThe trend seems to be tabletizing laptops, but it's not the end of the world12:56
snap-l"Those floppy disks will never take off"12:56
snap-lJust waiting for the first kid to call me a dinosaur because I'm using a keyboard with my computer12:57
brouschI use the tablet a lot at home, and then I find myself wanting to touch my laptop's screen to do some things12:57
snap-lI better start using an IBM Model M so I can knock the taste clean out of his mouth12:57
rick_h_never had that urge and I use my tablet all the time after work hours in an effort to step away12:58
rick_h_but I do hear that a lot12:58
brouschsnap-l: A physical keyboard? Ew, gross! It's full of crumbs and dead skin. Why don't you use a projected laser keyboard or Leapmotion?12:58
snap-lbrousch: Why don't you go find some traffic to play in? :)12:58
brouschrick_h_: You use a lot more keyboard shortcuts than I do12:58
brouschI'm much more click-happy, and sometimes a touch is faster than moving a mouse pointer to where I want to click12:59
rick_h_not my fault you're doing it wrong :P12:59
brouschI know. You've tried to fix me13:00
snap-lbrousch: You're what we refer to as a "work in progress"13:00
snap-lbrousch: also a PITA, but we don't say that out loud. ;)13:00
brouschI have a couple of projects I'm doing in vim without Eclipse, so I'm getting there13:00
snap-lHonestly, if I never have to boot up Eclipse, it'll be too soon13:01
snap-lwhich means I'll have to do a project in it within a month13:01
brouschKivy can make Android apps in vim, so I really have no reason to keep Eclipse around13:01
snap-lI need to play more with Kivy13:02
snap-lWonder how it works for direct screen draws13:02
snap-lyep13:02
brouschI have a hell of a time trying to work on my big work Django project with vim though. There's just too many dirs13:02
snap-lNERDTree13:03
brouschKivy is all opengl underneath13:03
snap-lor ctrlp13:03
snap-lhttp://vimcasts.org/episodes/the-file-explorer/ <- This is also helpful13:03
snap-lthough the native explorer is not friendly to my fingers13:03
brouschI've tried it, but it's much clumsier than Eclipse for me13:03
snap-lNERDTree should be equivalent13:04
snap-lat least in gvim13:04
snap-lI can't wrap my head around ctrlp13:04
snap-lor more accurately, I haven't put in the cycles to get my head wrapped around ctrlp13:04
snap-lwaitaminute, kivy is using pygame?13:06
snap-lWHYHAVEYOUNOTTOLDMETHISBEFORE?13:06
brouschWell it uses pygame underneath, but you can't directly convert pygame stuff to it13:10
snap-lRight, it looks like there's a layer on top of it13:10
rick_h_can't wrap your head aroud ctrlp? you hit ctrlp and start typing characters until your file shows up13:10
snap-lWonder if I could port busy busy bugs to it13:10
rick_h_it's a regex-like match. just start typing13:10
snap-lrick_h_: And when it goes off on a tangent finding something else, I have a hard time getting it back onto track13:11
rick_h_snap-l: hit escape and try again?13:11
snap-lIt makes me have to think. :)13:11
rick_h_normally if a filename is common I forget I need a folder it's in I just escape/try again13:11
brouschI always end up accidentally closing my nerdtree pane13:11
rick_h_brousch: I close it all the time, ,a is mapped to reopen it13:11
brouschI want it always there, unclosabl13:12
rick_h_usually with ctrlp I don't need nerdtree and get my pixels back13:12
rick_h_two files side by side on my 12" display, or three on my docked display13:12
brouschsnap-l: I'll be giving a Kivy talk at MobiDevDay Detroit13:14
rick_h_brousch: rocking on!13:14
snap-lbrousch: Yeah, I'm not invested enough in Mobile to go, but that's awesome. :)13:14
brouschAnd hopefully at PyOhio13:14
brouschIt runs on the desktop too13:15
snap-lI'll definitely be at the PyOhio talk13:15
rick_h_I don't know what I'm going to submit to pyohio this year :(13:15
snap-lhopefully not fucking with a camera. :)13:15
brouschAssuming it's accepted13:15
rick_h_haven't been doing anything really cool the last year13:15
brouschI also have a collection of common Django things that are hard to figure out, my "Django Nuggets", that I might submit as a talk13:16
rick_h_"nugget #1...it sucks stop using it!!!!!" :P13:16
brousch:P13:17
brouschOur newest FriendlyCode (Code for America) project is Pylons-based13:18
brouschBut it installed so easily we didn't need to know any Pylons13:18
rick_h_wsgi ftw13:19
brouschhttp://data.grcity.us/13:21
brouschNot much there yet13:21
jcastrogreg-g: http://www.salon.com/2010/03/16/hipsters_food_stamps_pinched/13:23
jcastrosome day, you will be caught!13:23
snap-lbrousch: Awesome.13:29
rick_h_booo, already cracked a part on this car14:16
snap-lrick_h_: What'd you hit?14:18
snap-lfor me, it was a pole in the vet's parking lot14:18
rick_h_snap-l: no idea, but there's scratches and a crack in the lower bumper bit with the fog light14:19
rick_h_and it's why that light is out14:19
snap-lUgh14:19
snap-lProbably a rock14:19
rick_h_I did go play in the snow, maybe I hit something while doing that14:19
snap-lor a parking bumper14:19
rick_h_but I never did anything where I thought "doh, better look at that"14:19
rick_h_just the fog light went out and nothing looks wrong from the front so figured it was new-car-itus14:19
rick_h_but I didnt' crawl under it14:19
rick_h_so didn't see the cracked housing14:20
snap-lOuch14:20
rick_h_yea, have to order it...come back...ugh14:20
snap-lMight have been when you did your ditch glide14:20
rick_h_ah, good point!14:21
rick_h_I was too spooked to notice I guess14:21
rick_h_yea, I'll chalk that up to it and feel better, move along14:21
snap-lyeah, been there.14:21
snap-lHave found I can't listen to A tout le monde anymore14:22
snap-lGood song, just overplayed.14:23
jcastron0p: ping15:09
jcastrosnap-l: ping15:09
jcastrolet's talk Orion folks15:09
rick_h_jcastro: hadn't heard of that. Very cool15:09
rick_h_and come on, a little dropkick while drinking it up can be fun:P15:09
jcastroactually I only want to go for the peppers and metallica15:09
jcastrodropkick is ok I guess15:10
jcastrohttp://i.imgur.com/3VycPmP.png15:10
jcastroactually I hear dillinger escape plan is good15:10
snap-ljcastro: Not planning on going.15:18
snap-lOnly a few bands on the bill that I'd care about15:18
snap-lI <3 Dropkick Murphys, and Battlecross is pretty good15:18
snap-lI've tried to like Dillinger Escape Plan. Too manic for me15:18
snap-land Peppers and Metallica are not the bands I got into. :)15:19
snap-lWent to Summer Sanitarium one year when they had Limp Bread Product, Deftones, and Linkin Park playing prior to Metallica15:20
snap-land we left prior to Metallica taking the stage15:20
snap-l(I was there for my sister in law when she was heavily into Linkin Park)15:20
snap-lDidn't help that the venue was the Silverdome, and it was hot as fuck in there15:21
jcastroI went to that show15:26
jcastroI liked linkin park live15:26
snap-lYeah, they definitely put on a great show15:26
snap-lyou could tell they had some funding15:26
jcastroI've seen them after and have some of their blurays -- they're the only band from that era that can actually play15:27
jcastrothough at the time I pigeon holed them with the other numetal garbage15:27
jcastrountil I heard them live15:27
snap-lYeah, I wasn't upset over Linkin Park being her favorite band15:28
snap-lopened her up to other bands like Coheed and Cambria and so forth15:28
snap-lI mean, if Linkin Park is the gateway drug to more prog metal, don't let me stand in the way.15:28
greg-gjcastro: moral of the story (didn't read it all): if you shop around, you can eat healthily and well on the cheap. Carrie and I do it, just without the food stamp part.15:41
snap-lYea, I didn't quite understand the outrage15:43
snap-lFoodstamps != eat like shit15:44
greg-gright, but! it's about HIPSTERS! and we're supposed to make fun of them! Because! You know! I have no sense of humor and need the easy thing sold to me!15:46
greg-gWith! more! exclamation! marks!15:47
jcastroit's all about paleo!15:47
greg-goh, I didn't read that far ;)15:48
greg-gtwo paragraphs, is all, just got the office, need to look like I actually work for a little bit15:48
greg-goop, boss just got here, bye bye!15:48
greg-g ;)15:48
jcastrohey greg-g15:52
jcastrowikipedia search just landed in the dash15:52
jcastroTAKE THAT HIPPIE.15:52
greg-gjcastro: how's that adware for dash going?15:56
greg-g:P15:57
jcastrointegrate wikipedia = you are awesome15:58
jcastrointegrate other things = you suck15:58
greg-gmore: integrate useful, informative stuff = you're awesome15:59
greg-gintegrate adware/shopping = you suck ;)15:59
* greg-g never used the dash, even when using Unity, so...... I don't have a horse in the game, honestly15:59
greg-gGNOME DO 4 LIF!16:00
jcastroheh16:00
greg-gits just a use case I don't experience. I'm usually in my broswer or terminal, so not that far away from (alt-tab) ctrl-k, stuff, enter16:01
greg-gof course, I'm also a duck duck go user, so, take anything I say with a EFF-sized grain of salt16:02
jcastrothere's already DDG support16:03
jcastroit's hard to get generic support from a search engine though16:03
jcastromost want you to pay16:03
greg-gyeah16:09
jcastroyou know16:51
jcastroI want to say that I want to support the whole intent for this weev guy16:51
jcastrobut really, the way he comes off16:51
jcastroI kind of don't care that he goes to jail16:51
greg-gweev?16:52
* greg-g googles16:52
greg-goh, right16:53
* greg-g doesn't know much about it16:53
greg-gthe WP article on him looks informative, though16:53
jcastrohttp://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ahkgc/i_am_weev_i_may_be_going_to_prison_under_the/16:56
jcastroso he did an AMA16:56
jcastroand ends up, people don't like the guy16:56
jcastroso I think it backfired, lol16:56
jcastrohe's the guy that make Kathy Sierra quit the internet16:56
greg-gwho?16:56
greg-gremember, I have a 15 month old, I don't participate in pop culture anymore16:57
jcastrohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Sierra16:57
jcastroman come on16:57
jcastrothis is all freedom internet hipster stuff16:57
jcastroI go to _you_ for these sorts of things!16:57
rick_h_greg-g: I'm with you. I probably heard about it at the time but I try hard to keep away from net-based drama16:58
rick_h_ouch, the pycon ban-hammer in effect http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycons-response-to-inapropriate.html16:59
jcastrolol17:00
rick_h_oh oh oh http://r.bmark.us/u/4e689733326703 /me does the clear data from google app framework/check for udpates dance over and over17:00
jcastrorick_h_: I want to ping hazmat and be like "so, you coming home early?"17:00
greg-grick_h_: but duuuuude, this is California. He has a card for that!17:01
rick_h_greg-g: lol17:07
rick_h_greg-g: I wonder if they checked :)17:08
rick_h_wonder if his card transfers to canada for 2014/1517:08
greg-gI'm actually wondering if that was the issue, it sounds like jcastro might know what happened/who it was?17:09
greg-gbut, even if he has a card, he can't smoke wherever he wants. That was a common message on Caltrain: "Also, I don't care if you have a special card, there is no smoking, of any kind, on Caltrain."17:10
rick_h_so I know from people that were reporting on twitter at the time that someone was smoking up something that *could* be called medical...but probably wasn't17:10
rick_h_yea, it's that exactly17:10
* greg-g nods17:10
rick_h_so at the TiP Bof someone lit up17:10
greg-gstupid17:10
rick_h_and some people were cranky about it and left17:10
greg-ggo outside17:10
rick_h_so it's in the hotel convention center, in a room, etc17:10
greg-gyeah, dumb, he must've been high17:11
greg-g;)17:11
snap-lI think I remember weev on the Full Disclosure list17:19
snap-lhe was a jackass17:19
greg-gheh17:20
snap-ljust seemed like the kind of person who would set you on fire just to watch your reaction17:21
snap-land then get offended when you got upset.17:21
* rick_h_ wonders...fire you say eh?17:21
snap-lhar har17:21
rick_h_jcastro: did you end up getting a new chair recently? Or am I mis-remembering17:23
snap-lI know I got the Gaim balance ball chair17:24
snap-ldon't remember jcastro mentioning chair news17:25
rick_h_hmm, thought someone was looking between areon and something else lately17:25
* greg-g hopes to get rid of his work chair soon, requested a standing desk conversion17:25
rick_h_woot17:25
rick_h_got my wife to use my standing desk setup last night for the first time17:25
rick_h_compatible laptops/dock ftw17:25
snap-lgreg-g: remember to start slowly.17:25
snap-lIt takes practice to sit all day17:26
snap-ltake it from a professional17:26
greg-gsnap-l: yeah, there are open couches/hammock to use when I'm tired17:26
snap-lgreg-g: was going for the opposite. ;)17:26
* greg-g is still sick and doesn't get it17:31
snap-lgreg-g: That you are probalby more fit than most, and could handle a standing desk with no problem17:56
snap-las opposed to folks like myself who let gravity do the work17:57
greg-goh, gotcha17:58
greg-gwell, given my current physical wellness (basically, really bad posture, really bad) I'm probably going to have a hard time at it17:58
snap-lbtw: new OMC is up.18:04
snap-lEpisode 6818:04
snap-lGoing to have to do something special for 100. :)18:04
snap-lThough I'm thrilled as punch that I was able to use an Acumen Nation song in this episode18:06
snap-lAlso, if someone can find the edit in the episode (there's one in there) I'll send you a $10 amazon gift card.18:38
snap-lTell me by the end of the day.18:38
snap-lGood luck. :)18:38
snap-lSo, Ubuntu is not moving to rolling releases19:29
snap-land halving the support for non LTS releases to 9 months19:29
brouschSounds good to me19:58
brouschDamnit. why didn't I hear about this earlier? http://detroitgdgdevfest.wordpress.com/20:20
=== greg-g is now known as GregoryGrossmeie
=== GregoryGrossmeie is now known as greg-g
rick_h_heh, discuss: http://blog.tenstral.net/2013/03/tanglu.html22:32
rick_h_jjesse: brousch ^^ will like that22:33
rick_h_hmm, another important 'toread' http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology22:35
rick_h_bah22:35
brouschwhy would i like tangu?22:36
greg-gTangu is the Ubuntu of Debian (wait, isn't Ubuntu the Ubuntu of Debian, well, apparently not anymore, or something) :)22:40
rick_h_droidbrousch kde by default22:44
brouschSo it Kubuntu!22:45
brouschSo is22:45
brouschI suppose it gives me somewhere else to flee when Shuttleworth burns down my house22:45
greg-gbut we all know that is getting thrown under the bus22:45
greg-gbrousch: but really, Tangu would be Kubuntu, pretty much.22:46
snap-lpretty soon we're going to have to invent languages in order to release software23:12

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