[00:09] rick_h_: Yeah, well, it's a neat little toy [00:09] Expensive for a neat little toy, but a neat little toy [00:09] snap-l: yea, definitely [00:09] RAM is too small for an Ubuntu install either [00:10] 4GB RAM is low-end RAM IMHO [00:10] yea, that's true [00:10] I had a co-worker getting cranky he couldn't get an X1 with 16GB of ram and I wondered wtf he was doing [00:11] two kvm VMs, and you're pretty much there [00:12] bah [00:16] Honestly the ony reason my Phenom 9850 machine is still usable is the RAM (8GB) [00:16] That and the 4 CPUs [00:24] yea [00:24] I'm all for 8gb (though I don't think I've ever hit it) [00:24] Well, Linux will hit it [00:24] That's the beauty, it'll use whatever you throw at it [00:25] and will swap out what it doesn't need [00:25] cache, buffers, etc [00:27] I'm feeling the desktop crunch too with my Phenom [00:27] I'll likely snag a S76 next month [00:27] Yeah, when we get some mad money I might just go with System 76 [00:27] yea, I sometimes get an itch to go desktop again. [00:27] and a sys76 for desktop I don't have the concerns I do with laptop needs [00:28] I still need a laptop [00:28] but I use my desktop every day more [00:28] yea, defintely...for CHC :) [00:28] heh [00:34] Thank God for Netflix [00:34] JoDee is now watching Extreme Couponing [00:35] Better than paying for Cable for that garbage. :) [00:35] lol [00:37] Well, she's also been sick the past few days [01:15] bah did all this to setup mifi for CHC and just realized I won't be there this week. ugh [01:15] Where are you going to be? [01:20] home...wife's got a thing [01:20] so I've got to do music class with the boy and get him to bed [01:20] Tell her you need a permission slip [01:20] so I'll have to do remote participation [01:22] https://plus.google.com/104830397600661749765/posts/jjZ2hoddge2 [11:09] Good morning [11:10] Finally done with Verizon for now [11:10] Last bill was for $0.00 (coincidentally the first bill Verizon was lower than Ting. ;)) [11:19] Told JoDee we should switch back., She was not amused [11:39] morning [11:40] hah, so jodee is officially done with them as well then? [11:40] 'ting family' :) [12:28] Yep, we're all Tinging here [12:35] rick_h_: http://readwrite.com/2013/03/19/lenovo-why-are-you-designing-thinkpads-no-one-wants [12:35] jcastro: lol @ title [12:36] !$!$!$! Eliminating the removable battery [12:36] he has a point wrt. battery and screen [12:36] missed that nugget... [12:36] me too [12:36] that's kind of a deal breaker [12:36] I get a new battery every year...*sigh* [12:36] yeah [12:36] and not because I swap out batteries when travelling [12:36] yea, I mean 6hrs battery life on a new 6 cell...by end of the year that's down to 4 [12:37] mostly because you have to replace them yearly [12:37] right [12:37] I mean it 'works' but it's not at full strength [12:37] yeah [12:37] so for me, for a laptop that counts as "not working" [12:37] also lol @ the comments [12:37] "why does my phone have a higher res screen?" [12:38] I'm on board with this. N10 has more res than any monitor in my house... :( [12:38] it's likely that the new X series is similarly gimped [12:39] nooooooooooo [12:39] that's just a guess [12:39] touch display can shove it...do not care [12:39] I cant' stand the finger prints on my phone/tablets/car touchscreen now [12:40] laptops are going to be even more gross in the future with touch screens [12:40] indeed [12:40] damn things better come in with windshield wipers [12:40] hmm, the X1 carbon doesn't have a removable battery either [12:40] but it has that quick charge thing [12:40] still .... *look of disapproval* [12:41] ugh, well can only hope they get the message and don't destroy my X-series [12:42] If I'm going to buy an expensive laptop with a non-removable battery, I'll buy an Apple [12:43] The battery isn’t easy to replace, but that moment should be a fair way off – the usual ThinkVantage tools make it possible to limit the battery’s maximum charge and so extend its lifespan at the expense of runtime. [12:43] UGH. [12:44] If I can't replace the battery in less than 10 minutes (1 minute to replace the battery, 9 minutes of congratulatory beer drinking) then it's not worth it [12:44] I might even give them 11 minutes, if it means 1 minute to replace the battery, and 10 minutes of congratulatory beer drinking) [12:44] jcastro: ok, now I'm also curious if they're ditching doc connectors and such [12:45] the X1 has a dock connector [12:45] Yea, it's called a VGA out and USB [12:45] ;) [12:45] yeah I so don't care about docks tbh [12:45] 1995. [12:46] I care about docks if they give me better functionality than the device contains [12:46] I do, dual 21" display ftw [12:46] otherwise, yeah [12:46] I have a dedicated machine for such things [12:46] plus scanner, con call camera, etc are all plugged into usb ports on the monitor [12:46] yea, see my laptop is my machine [12:46] at some point Dropbox made me not care about using the same machine for everything [12:46] my desktop hasn't been turned on for months [12:47] Yeah, Ubuntu One did that for me. I just don't save anything anymore. ;) [12:47] * rick_h_ is too depressed to work now [12:47] well good thing we just got my wife a new machine. She's good for the next 3-4 years [12:48] rick_h_: It's going to get worse [12:48] I am getting a new desktop before I get a new laptop [12:48] * jcastro is eying a system76 [12:48] pretty soon we'll have laptops that you're not even allowed to open without a service tech [12:48] since desktop == laptop I was thinking of upgrading when the new mobile chips came out at the end of the year [12:48] snap-l, isn't that a macbook air? [12:48] exactly [12:49] I guess it's been a while since I held onto a machine for 3 full years :/ [12:49] maybe need to get on the annual air upgrade cycle [12:49] TGhey shortened it to 6 months [12:50] heh, so I'll get two cycles out of it [12:50] We'll all be working on tablets soon [12:50] Tablets and cloud servers. what more do you need? [12:50] Keyboards [12:50] hah [12:51] seriously, go look at your tablet screen and tell me you want to work on that 10hrs a day [12:51] My tablet has a keyboard [12:51] My tablet has better res and more pixels than my laptop [12:51] brousch: Local storage [12:52] 32GB included with 2 SD slots [12:52] Linux Operating System and a development stack [12:52] LinuxOnAndroid [12:52] Eclipse. [12:53] git [12:53] rick_h_: I'm sure there's some android git thingie [12:53] and ability to load my vimrc [12:53] if it can't run my .vimrc it's not a computer yet :P [12:53] LoA has git and vim [12:53] and can load my .vimrc? [12:53] rick_h_: I think your .vimrc passes the turing test. [12:53] https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim [12:54] It's ubuntu run in a chroot [12:54] if that installs/runs then we'll chat :) [12:54] So if the packages are in the ARM repo then it should work [12:54] so what's your point then? You can run ubuntu on a small arm machine? [12:54] Yes, a tablet [12:54] this is better than a laptop how again? [12:55] this is where laptops are going [12:55] Now I know how the early Microcomputer adopters felt [12:55] I didn't say it was better, I said it is possible [12:55] "single user computers. bah." [12:55] "Where do you put the punch cards?" [12:56] "Cassette Tape? Seriously? You can't store anything on cassettes." [12:56] The trend seems to be tabletizing laptops, but it's not the end of the world [12:56] "Those floppy disks will never take off" [12:57] Just waiting for the first kid to call me a dinosaur because I'm using a keyboard with my computer [12:57] I use the tablet a lot at home, and then I find myself wanting to touch my laptop's screen to do some things [12:57] I better start using an IBM Model M so I can knock the taste clean out of his mouth [12:58] never had that urge and I use my tablet all the time after work hours in an effort to step away [12:58] but I do hear that a lot [12:58] snap-l: A physical keyboard? Ew, gross! It's full of crumbs and dead skin. Why don't you use a projected laser keyboard or Leapmotion? [12:58] brousch: Why don't you go find some traffic to play in? :) [12:58] rick_h_: You use a lot more keyboard shortcuts than I do [12:59] I'm much more click-happy, and sometimes a touch is faster than moving a mouse pointer to where I want to click [12:59] not my fault you're doing it wrong :P [13:00] I know. You've tried to fix me [13:00] brousch: You're what we refer to as a "work in progress" [13:00] brousch: also a PITA, but we don't say that out loud. ;) [13:00] I have a couple of projects I'm doing in vim without Eclipse, so I'm getting there [13:01] Honestly, if I never have to boot up Eclipse, it'll be too soon [13:01] which means I'll have to do a project in it within a month [13:01] Kivy can make Android apps in vim, so I really have no reason to keep Eclipse around [13:02] I need to play more with Kivy [13:02] Wonder how it works for direct screen draws [13:02] yep [13:02] I have a hell of a time trying to work on my big work Django project with vim though. There's just too many dirs [13:03] NERDTree [13:03] Kivy is all opengl underneath [13:03] or ctrlp [13:03] http://vimcasts.org/episodes/the-file-explorer/ <- This is also helpful [13:03] though the native explorer is not friendly to my fingers [13:03] I've tried it, but it's much clumsier than Eclipse for me [13:04] NERDTree should be equivalent [13:04] at least in gvim [13:04] I can't wrap my head around ctrlp [13:04] or more accurately, I haven't put in the cycles to get my head wrapped around ctrlp [13:06] waitaminute, kivy is using pygame? [13:06] WHYHAVEYOUNOTTOLDMETHISBEFORE? [13:10] Well it uses pygame underneath, but you can't directly convert pygame stuff to it [13:10] Right, it looks like there's a layer on top of it [13:10] can't wrap your head aroud ctrlp? you hit ctrlp and start typing characters until your file shows up [13:10] Wonder if I could port busy busy bugs to it [13:10] it's a regex-like match. just start typing [13:11] rick_h_: And when it goes off on a tangent finding something else, I have a hard time getting it back onto track [13:11] snap-l: hit escape and try again? [13:11] It makes me have to think. :) [13:11] normally if a filename is common I forget I need a folder it's in I just escape/try again [13:11] I always end up accidentally closing my nerdtree pane [13:11] brousch: I close it all the time, ,a is mapped to reopen it [13:12] I want it always there, unclosabl [13:12] usually with ctrlp I don't need nerdtree and get my pixels back [13:12] two files side by side on my 12" display, or three on my docked display [13:14] snap-l: I'll be giving a Kivy talk at MobiDevDay Detroit [13:14] brousch: rocking on! [13:14] brousch: Yeah, I'm not invested enough in Mobile to go, but that's awesome. :) [13:14] And hopefully at PyOhio [13:15] It runs on the desktop too [13:15] I'll definitely be at the PyOhio talk [13:15] I don't know what I'm going to submit to pyohio this year :( [13:15] hopefully not fucking with a camera. :) [13:15] Assuming it's accepted [13:15] haven't been doing anything really cool the last year [13:16] I also have a collection of common Django things that are hard to figure out, my "Django Nuggets", that I might submit as a talk [13:16] "nugget #1...it sucks stop using it!!!!!" :P [13:17] :P [13:18] Our newest FriendlyCode (Code for America) project is Pylons-based [13:18] But it installed so easily we didn't need to know any Pylons [13:19] wsgi ftw [13:21] http://data.grcity.us/ [13:21] Not much there yet [13:23] greg-g: http://www.salon.com/2010/03/16/hipsters_food_stamps_pinched/ [13:23] some day, you will be caught! [13:29] brousch: Awesome. [14:16] booo, already cracked a part on this car [14:18] rick_h_: What'd you hit? [14:18] for me, it was a pole in the vet's parking lot [14:19] snap-l: no idea, but there's scratches and a crack in the lower bumper bit with the fog light [14:19] and it's why that light is out [14:19] Ugh [14:19] Probably a rock [14:19] I did go play in the snow, maybe I hit something while doing that [14:19] or a parking bumper [14:19] but I never did anything where I thought "doh, better look at that" [14:19] just the fog light went out and nothing looks wrong from the front so figured it was new-car-itus [14:19] but I didnt' crawl under it [14:20] so didn't see the cracked housing [14:20] Ouch [14:20] yea, have to order it...come back...ugh [14:20] Might have been when you did your ditch glide [14:21] ah, good point! [14:21] I was too spooked to notice I guess [14:21] yea, I'll chalk that up to it and feel better, move along [14:21] yeah, been there. [14:22] Have found I can't listen to A tout le monde anymore [14:23] Good song, just overplayed. [15:09] n0p: ping [15:09] snap-l: ping [15:09] let's talk Orion folks [15:09] jcastro: hadn't heard of that. Very cool [15:09] and come on, a little dropkick while drinking it up can be fun:P [15:09] actually I only want to go for the peppers and metallica [15:10] dropkick is ok I guess [15:10] http://i.imgur.com/3VycPmP.png [15:10] actually I hear dillinger escape plan is good [15:18] jcastro: Not planning on going. [15:18] Only a few bands on the bill that I'd care about [15:18] I <3 Dropkick Murphys, and Battlecross is pretty good [15:18] I've tried to like Dillinger Escape Plan. Too manic for me [15:19] and Peppers and Metallica are not the bands I got into. :) [15:20] Went to Summer Sanitarium one year when they had Limp Bread Product, Deftones, and Linkin Park playing prior to Metallica [15:20] and we left prior to Metallica taking the stage [15:20] (I was there for my sister in law when she was heavily into Linkin Park) [15:21] Didn't help that the venue was the Silverdome, and it was hot as fuck in there [15:26] I went to that show [15:26] I liked linkin park live [15:26] Yeah, they definitely put on a great show [15:26] you could tell they had some funding [15:27] I've seen them after and have some of their blurays -- they're the only band from that era that can actually play [15:27] though at the time I pigeon holed them with the other numetal garbage [15:27] until I heard them live [15:28] Yeah, I wasn't upset over Linkin Park being her favorite band [15:28] opened her up to other bands like Coheed and Cambria and so forth [15:28] I mean, if Linkin Park is the gateway drug to more prog metal, don't let me stand in the way. [15:41] jcastro: moral of the story (didn't read it all): if you shop around, you can eat healthily and well on the cheap. Carrie and I do it, just without the food stamp part. [15:43] Yea, I didn't quite understand the outrage [15:44] Foodstamps != eat like shit [15:46] right, but! it's about HIPSTERS! and we're supposed to make fun of them! Because! You know! I have no sense of humor and need the easy thing sold to me! [15:47] With! more! exclamation! marks! [15:47] it's all about paleo! [15:48] oh, I didn't read that far ;) [15:48] two paragraphs, is all, just got the office, need to look like I actually work for a little bit [15:48] oop, boss just got here, bye bye! [15:48] ;) [15:52] hey greg-g [15:52] wikipedia search just landed in the dash [15:52] TAKE THAT HIPPIE. [15:56] jcastro: how's that adware for dash going? [15:57] :P [15:58] integrate wikipedia = you are awesome [15:58] integrate other things = you suck [15:59] more: integrate useful, informative stuff = you're awesome [15:59] integrate adware/shopping = you suck ;) [15:59] * greg-g never used the dash, even when using Unity, so...... I don't have a horse in the game, honestly [16:00] GNOME DO 4 LIF! [16:00] heh [16:01] its just a use case I don't experience. I'm usually in my broswer or terminal, so not that far away from (alt-tab) ctrl-k, stuff, enter [16:02] of course, I'm also a duck duck go user, so, take anything I say with a EFF-sized grain of salt [16:03] there's already DDG support [16:03] it's hard to get generic support from a search engine though [16:03] most want you to pay [16:09] yeah [16:51] you know [16:51] I want to say that I want to support the whole intent for this weev guy [16:51] but really, the way he comes off [16:51] I kind of don't care that he goes to jail [16:52] weev? [16:52] * greg-g googles [16:53] oh, right [16:53] * greg-g doesn't know much about it [16:53] the WP article on him looks informative, though [16:56] http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ahkgc/i_am_weev_i_may_be_going_to_prison_under_the/ [16:56] so he did an AMA [16:56] and ends up, people don't like the guy [16:56] so I think it backfired, lol [16:56] he's the guy that make Kathy Sierra quit the internet [16:56] who? [16:57] remember, I have a 15 month old, I don't participate in pop culture anymore [16:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Sierra [16:57] man come on [16:57] this is all freedom internet hipster stuff [16:57] I go to _you_ for these sorts of things! [16:58] greg-g: I'm with you. I probably heard about it at the time but I try hard to keep away from net-based drama [16:59] ouch, the pycon ban-hammer in effect http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycons-response-to-inapropriate.html [17:00] lol [17:00] oh oh oh http://r.bmark.us/u/4e689733326703 /me does the clear data from google app framework/check for udpates dance over and over [17:00] rick_h_: I want to ping hazmat and be like "so, you coming home early?" [17:01] rick_h_: but duuuuude, this is California. He has a card for that! [17:07] greg-g: lol [17:08] greg-g: I wonder if they checked :) [17:08] wonder if his card transfers to canada for 2014/15 [17:09] I'm actually wondering if that was the issue, it sounds like jcastro might know what happened/who it was? [17:10] but, even if he has a card, he can't smoke wherever he wants. That was a common message on Caltrain: "Also, I don't care if you have a special card, there is no smoking, of any kind, on Caltrain." [17:10] so I know from people that were reporting on twitter at the time that someone was smoking up something that *could* be called medical...but probably wasn't [17:10] yea, it's that exactly [17:10] * greg-g nods [17:10] so at the TiP Bof someone lit up [17:10] stupid [17:10] and some people were cranky about it and left [17:10] go outside [17:10] so it's in the hotel convention center, in a room, etc [17:11] yeah, dumb, he must've been high [17:11] ;) [17:19] I think I remember weev on the Full Disclosure list [17:19] he was a jackass [17:20] heh [17:21] just seemed like the kind of person who would set you on fire just to watch your reaction [17:21] and then get offended when you got upset. [17:21] * rick_h_ wonders...fire you say eh? [17:21] har har [17:23] jcastro: did you end up getting a new chair recently? Or am I mis-remembering [17:24] I know I got the Gaim balance ball chair [17:25] don't remember jcastro mentioning chair news [17:25] hmm, thought someone was looking between areon and something else lately [17:25] * greg-g hopes to get rid of his work chair soon, requested a standing desk conversion [17:25] woot [17:25] got my wife to use my standing desk setup last night for the first time [17:25] compatible laptops/dock ftw [17:25] greg-g: remember to start slowly. [17:26] It takes practice to sit all day [17:26] take it from a professional [17:26] snap-l: yeah, there are open couches/hammock to use when I'm tired [17:26] greg-g: was going for the opposite. ;) [17:31] * greg-g is still sick and doesn't get it [17:56] greg-g: That you are probalby more fit than most, and could handle a standing desk with no problem [17:57] as opposed to folks like myself who let gravity do the work [17:58] oh, gotcha [17:58] well, given my current physical wellness (basically, really bad posture, really bad) I'm probably going to have a hard time at it [18:04] btw: new OMC is up. [18:04] Episode 68 [18:04] Going to have to do something special for 100. :) [18:06] Though I'm thrilled as punch that I was able to use an Acumen Nation song in this episode [18:38] Also, if someone can find the edit in the episode (there's one in there) I'll send you a $10 amazon gift card. [18:38] Tell me by the end of the day. [18:38] Good luck. :) [19:29] So, Ubuntu is not moving to rolling releases [19:29] and halving the support for non LTS releases to 9 months [19:58] Sounds good to me [20:20] Damnit. why didn't I hear about this earlier? http://detroitgdgdevfest.wordpress.com/ === greg-g is now known as GregoryGrossmeie === GregoryGrossmeie is now known as greg-g [22:32] heh, discuss: http://blog.tenstral.net/2013/03/tanglu.html [22:33] jjesse: brousch ^^ will like that [22:35] hmm, another important 'toread' http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology [22:35] bah [22:36] why would i like tangu? [22:40] Tangu is the Ubuntu of Debian (wait, isn't Ubuntu the Ubuntu of Debian, well, apparently not anymore, or something) :) [22:44] brousch kde by default [22:45] So it Kubuntu! [22:45] So is [22:45] I suppose it gives me somewhere else to flee when Shuttleworth burns down my house [22:45] but we all know that is getting thrown under the bus [22:46] brousch: but really, Tangu would be Kubuntu, pretty much. [23:12] pretty soon we're going to have to invent languages in order to release software