[00:09] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, well, it's a neat little toy
[00:09] <snap-l> Expensive for a neat little toy, but a neat little toy
[00:09] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, definitely
[00:09] <snap-l> RAM is too small for an Ubuntu install either
[00:10] <snap-l> 4GB RAM is low-end RAM IMHO
[00:10] <rick_h_> yea, that's true
[00:10] <rick_h_> I had a co-worker getting cranky he couldn't get an X1 with 16GB of ram and I wondered wtf he was doing
[00:11] <snap-l> two kvm VMs, and you're pretty much there
[00:12] <rick_h_> bah
[00:16] <snap-l> Honestly the ony reason my Phenom 9850 machine is still usable is the RAM (8GB)
[00:16] <snap-l> That and the 4 CPUs
[00:24] <rick_h_> yea
[00:24] <rick_h_> I'm all for 8gb (though I don't think I've ever hit it)
[00:24] <snap-l> Well, Linux will hit it
[00:24] <snap-l> That's the beauty, it'll use whatever you throw at it
[00:25] <snap-l> and will swap out what it doesn't need
[00:25] <snap-l> cache, buffers, etc
[00:27] <jcastro> I'm feeling the desktop crunch too with my Phenom
[00:27] <jcastro> I'll likely snag a S76 next month
[00:27] <snap-l> Yeah, when we get some mad money I might just go with System 76
[00:27] <rick_h_> yea, I sometimes get an itch to go desktop again.
[00:27] <rick_h_> and a sys76 for desktop I don't have the concerns I do with laptop needs
[00:28] <jcastro> I still need a laptop
[00:28] <jcastro> but I use my desktop every day more
[00:28] <rick_h_> yea, defintely...for CHC :)
[00:28] <snap-l> heh
[00:34] <snap-l> Thank God for Netflix
[00:34] <snap-l> JoDee is now watching Extreme Couponing
[00:35] <snap-l> Better than paying for Cable for that garbage. :)
[00:35] <rick_h_> lol
[00:37] <snap-l> Well, she's also been sick the past few days
[01:15] <rick_h_83> bah did all this to setup mifi for CHC and just realized I won't be there this week. ugh
[01:15] <snap-l> Where are you going to be?
[01:20] <rick_h_> home...wife's got a thing
[01:20] <rick_h_> so I've got to do music class with the boy and get him to bed
[01:20] <snap-l> Tell her you need a permission slip
[01:20] <rick_h_> so I'll have to do remote participation
[01:22] <snap-l> https://plus.google.com/104830397600661749765/posts/jjZ2hoddge2
[11:09] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:10] <snap-l> Finally done with Verizon for now
[11:10] <snap-l> Last bill was for $0.00 (coincidentally the first bill Verizon was lower than Ting. ;))
[11:19] <snap-l> Told JoDee we should switch back., She was not amused
[11:39] <rick_h_> morning
[11:40] <rick_h_> hah, so jodee is officially done with them as well then?
[11:40] <rick_h_> 'ting family' :)
[12:28] <snap-l> Yep, we're all Tinging here
[12:35] <jcastro> rick_h_: http://readwrite.com/2013/03/19/lenovo-why-are-you-designing-thinkpads-no-one-wants
[12:35] <rick_h_> jcastro: lol @ title
[12:36] <rick_h_> !$!$!$! Eliminating the removable battery
[12:36] <jcastro> he has a point wrt. battery and screen
[12:36] <rick_h_> missed that nugget...
[12:36] <jcastro> me too
[12:36] <jcastro> that's kind of a deal breaker
[12:36] <rick_h_> I get a new battery every year...*sigh*
[12:36] <jcastro> yeah
[12:36] <jcastro> and not because I swap out batteries when travelling
[12:36] <rick_h_> yea, I mean 6hrs battery life on a new 6 cell...by end of the year that's down to 4
[12:37] <jcastro> mostly because you have to replace them yearly
[12:37] <rick_h_> right
[12:37] <rick_h_> I mean it 'works' but it's not at full strength
[12:37] <jcastro> yeah
[12:37] <jcastro> so for me, for a laptop that counts as "not working"
[12:37] <jcastro> also lol @ the comments
[12:37] <jcastro> "why does my phone have a higher res screen?"
[12:38] <rick_h_> I'm on board with this. N10 has more res than any monitor in my house... :(
[12:38] <jcastro> it's likely that the new X series is similarly gimped
[12:39] <rick_h_> nooooooooooo
[12:39] <jcastro> that's just a guess
[12:39] <rick_h_> touch display can shove it...do not care
[12:39] <rick_h_> I cant' stand the finger prints on my phone/tablets/car touchscreen now
[12:40] <rick_h_> laptops are going to be even more gross in the future with touch screens
[12:40] <jcastro> indeed
[12:40] <rick_h_> damn things better come in with windshield wipers
[12:40] <jcastro> hmm, the X1 carbon doesn't have a removable battery either
[12:40] <jcastro> but it has that quick charge thing
[12:40] <jcastro> still .... *look of disapproval*
[12:41] <rick_h_> ugh, well can only hope they get the message and don't destroy my X-series
[12:42] <snap-l> If I'm going to buy an expensive laptop with a non-removable battery, I'll buy an Apple
[12:43] <jcastro> The battery isn’t easy to replace, but that moment should be a fair way off – the usual ThinkVantage tools make it possible to limit the battery’s maximum charge and so extend its lifespan at the expense of runtime.
[12:43] <jcastro> UGH.
[12:44] <snap-l> If I can't replace the battery in less than 10 minutes (1 minute to replace the battery, 9 minutes of congratulatory beer drinking) then it's not worth it
[12:44] <snap-l> I might even give them 11 minutes, if it  means 1 minute to replace the battery, and 10 minutes of congratulatory beer drinking)
[12:44] <rick_h_> jcastro: ok, now I'm also curious if they're ditching doc connectors and such
[12:45] <jcastro> the X1 has a dock connector
[12:45] <snap-l> Yea, it's called a VGA out and USB
[12:45] <snap-l> ;)
[12:45] <jcastro> yeah I so don't care about docks tbh
[12:45] <jcastro> 1995.
[12:46] <snap-l> I care about docks if they give me better functionality than the device contains
[12:46] <rick_h_> I do, dual 21" display ftw
[12:46] <snap-l> otherwise, yeah
[12:46] <jcastro> I have a dedicated machine for such things
[12:46] <rick_h_> plus scanner, con call camera, etc are all plugged into usb ports on the monitor
[12:46] <rick_h_> yea, see my laptop is my machine
[12:46] <jcastro> at some point Dropbox made me not care about using the same machine for everything
[12:46] <rick_h_> my desktop hasn't been turned on for months
[12:47] <snap-l> Yeah, Ubuntu One did that for me. I just don't save anything anymore. ;)
[12:47]  * rick_h_ is too depressed to work now
[12:47] <rick_h_> well good thing we just got my wife a new machine. She's good for the next 3-4 years
[12:48] <snap-l> rick_h_: It's going to get worse
[12:48] <jcastro> I am getting a new desktop before I get a new laptop
[12:48]  * jcastro is eying a system76
[12:48] <snap-l> pretty soon we'll have laptops that you're not even allowed to open without a service tech
[12:48] <rick_h_> since desktop == laptop I was thinking of upgrading when the new mobile chips came out at the end of the year
[12:48] <jjesse> snap-l,  isn't that a macbook air?
[12:48] <rick_h_> exactly
[12:49] <rick_h_> I guess it's been a while since I held onto a machine for 3 full years :/
[12:49] <rick_h_> maybe need to get on the annual air upgrade cycle
[12:49] <snap-l> TGhey shortened it to 6 months
[12:50] <rick_h_> heh, so I'll get two cycles out of it
[12:50] <brousch> We'll all be working on tablets soon
[12:50] <brousch> Tablets and cloud servers. what more do you need?
[12:50] <snap-l> Keyboards
[12:50] <rick_h_> hah
[12:51] <rick_h_> seriously, go look at your tablet screen and tell me you want to work on that 10hrs a day
[12:51] <brousch> My tablet has a keyboard
[12:51] <brousch> My tablet has better res and more pixels than my laptop
[12:51] <snap-l> brousch: Local storage
[12:52] <brousch> 32GB included with 2 SD slots
[12:52] <snap-l> Linux Operating System and a development stack
[12:52] <brousch> LinuxOnAndroid
[12:52] <snap-l> Eclipse.
[12:53] <rick_h_> git
[12:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: I'm sure there's some android git thingie
[12:53] <rick_h_> and ability to load my vimrc
[12:53] <rick_h_> if it can't run my .vimrc it's not a computer yet :P
[12:53] <brousch> LoA has git and vim
[12:53] <rick_h_> and can load my .vimrc?
[12:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: I think your .vimrc passes the turing test.
[12:53] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim
[12:54] <brousch> It's ubuntu run in a chroot
[12:54] <rick_h_> if that installs/runs then we'll chat :)
[12:54] <brousch> So if the packages are in the ARM repo then it should work
[12:54] <rick_h_> so what's your point then? You can run ubuntu on a small arm machine?
[12:54] <brousch> Yes, a tablet
[12:54] <rick_h_> this is better than a laptop how again?
[12:55] <brousch> this is where laptops are going
[12:55] <snap-l> Now I know how the early Microcomputer adopters felt
[12:55] <brousch> I didn't say it was better, I said it is possible
[12:55] <snap-l> "single user computers. bah."
[12:55] <snap-l> "Where do you put the punch cards?"
[12:56] <snap-l> "Cassette Tape? Seriously? You can't store anything on cassettes."
[12:56] <brousch> The trend seems to be tabletizing laptops, but it's not the end of the world
[12:56] <snap-l> "Those floppy disks will never take off"
[12:57] <snap-l> Just waiting for the first kid to call me a dinosaur because I'm using a keyboard with my computer
[12:57] <brousch> I use the tablet a lot at home, and then I find myself wanting to touch my laptop's screen to do some things
[12:57] <snap-l> I better start using an IBM Model M so I can knock the taste clean out of his mouth
[12:58] <rick_h_> never had that urge and I use my tablet all the time after work hours in an effort to step away
[12:58] <rick_h_> but I do hear that a lot
[12:58] <brousch> snap-l: A physical keyboard? Ew, gross! It's full of crumbs and dead skin. Why don't you use a projected laser keyboard or Leapmotion?
[12:58] <snap-l> brousch: Why don't you go find some traffic to play in? :)
[12:58] <brousch> rick_h_: You use a lot more keyboard shortcuts than I do
[12:59] <brousch> I'm much more click-happy, and sometimes a touch is faster than moving a mouse pointer to where I want to click
[12:59] <rick_h_> not my fault you're doing it wrong :P
[13:00] <brousch> I know. You've tried to fix me
[13:00] <snap-l> brousch: You're what we refer to as a "work in progress"
[13:00] <snap-l> brousch: also a PITA, but we don't say that out loud. ;)
[13:00] <brousch> I have a couple of projects I'm doing in vim without Eclipse, so I'm getting there
[13:01] <snap-l> Honestly, if I never have to boot up Eclipse, it'll be too soon
[13:01] <snap-l> which means I'll have to do a project in it within a month
[13:01] <brousch> Kivy can make Android apps in vim, so I really have no reason to keep Eclipse around
[13:02] <snap-l> I need to play more with Kivy
[13:02] <snap-l> Wonder how it works for direct screen draws
[13:02] <snap-l> yep
[13:02] <brousch> I have a hell of a time trying to work on my big work Django project with vim though. There's just too many dirs
[13:03] <snap-l> NERDTree
[13:03] <brousch> Kivy is all opengl underneath
[13:03] <snap-l> or ctrlp
[13:03] <snap-l> http://vimcasts.org/episodes/the-file-explorer/ <- This is also helpful
[13:03] <snap-l> though the native explorer is not friendly to my fingers
[13:03] <brousch> I've tried it, but it's much clumsier than Eclipse for me
[13:04] <snap-l> NERDTree should be equivalent
[13:04] <snap-l> at least in gvim
[13:04] <snap-l> I can't wrap my head around ctrlp
[13:04] <snap-l> or more accurately, I haven't put in the cycles to get my head wrapped around ctrlp
[13:06] <snap-l> waitaminute, kivy is using pygame?
[13:06] <snap-l> WHYHAVEYOUNOTTOLDMETHISBEFORE?
[13:10] <brousch> Well it uses pygame underneath, but you can't directly convert pygame stuff to it
[13:10] <snap-l> Right, it looks like there's a layer on top of it
[13:10] <rick_h_> can't wrap your head aroud ctrlp? you hit ctrlp and start typing characters until your file shows up
[13:10] <snap-l> Wonder if I could port busy busy bugs to it
[13:10] <rick_h_> it's a regex-like match. just start typing
[13:11] <snap-l> rick_h_: And when it goes off on a tangent finding something else, I have a hard time getting it back onto track
[13:11] <rick_h_> snap-l: hit escape and try again?
[13:11] <snap-l> It makes me have to think. :)
[13:11] <rick_h_> normally if a filename is common I forget I need a folder it's in I just escape/try again
[13:11] <brousch> I always end up accidentally closing my nerdtree pane
[13:11] <rick_h_> brousch: I close it all the time, ,a is mapped to reopen it
[13:12] <brousch> I want it always there, unclosabl
[13:12] <rick_h_> usually with ctrlp I don't need nerdtree and get my pixels back
[13:12] <rick_h_> two files side by side on my 12" display, or three on my docked display
[13:14] <brousch> snap-l: I'll be giving a Kivy talk at MobiDevDay Detroit
[13:14] <rick_h_> brousch: rocking on!
[13:14] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, I'm not invested enough in Mobile to go, but that's awesome. :)
[13:14] <brousch> And hopefully at PyOhio
[13:15] <brousch> It runs on the desktop too
[13:15] <snap-l> I'll definitely be at the PyOhio talk
[13:15] <rick_h_> I don't know what I'm going to submit to pyohio this year :(
[13:15] <snap-l> hopefully not fucking with a camera. :)
[13:15] <brousch> Assuming it's accepted
[13:15] <rick_h_> haven't been doing anything really cool the last year
[13:16] <brousch> I also have a collection of common Django things that are hard to figure out, my "Django Nuggets", that I might submit as a talk
[13:16] <rick_h_> "nugget #1...it sucks stop using it!!!!!" :P
[13:17] <brousch> :P
[13:18] <brousch> Our newest FriendlyCode (Code for America) project is Pylons-based
[13:18] <brousch> But it installed so easily we didn't need to know any Pylons
[13:19] <rick_h_> wsgi ftw
[13:21] <brousch> http://data.grcity.us/
[13:21] <brousch> Not much there yet
[13:23] <jcastro> greg-g: http://www.salon.com/2010/03/16/hipsters_food_stamps_pinched/
[13:23] <jcastro> some day, you will be caught!
[13:29] <snap-l> brousch: Awesome.
[14:16] <rick_h_> booo, already cracked a part on this car
[14:18] <snap-l> rick_h_: What'd you hit?
[14:18] <snap-l> for me, it was a pole in the vet's parking lot
[14:19] <rick_h_> snap-l: no idea, but there's scratches and a crack in the lower bumper bit with the fog light
[14:19] <rick_h_> and it's why that light is out
[14:19] <snap-l> Ugh
[14:19] <snap-l> Probably a rock
[14:19] <rick_h_> I did go play in the snow, maybe I hit something while doing that
[14:19] <snap-l> or a parking bumper
[14:19] <rick_h_> but I never did anything where I thought "doh, better look at that"
[14:19] <rick_h_> just the fog light went out and nothing looks wrong from the front so figured it was new-car-itus
[14:19] <rick_h_> but I didnt' crawl under it
[14:20] <rick_h_> so didn't see the cracked housing
[14:20] <snap-l> Ouch
[14:20] <rick_h_> yea, have to order it...come back...ugh
[14:20] <snap-l> Might have been when you did your ditch glide
[14:21] <rick_h_> ah, good point!
[14:21] <rick_h_> I was too spooked to notice I guess
[14:21] <rick_h_> yea, I'll chalk that up to it and feel better, move along
[14:21] <snap-l> yeah, been there.
[14:22] <snap-l> Have found I can't listen to A tout le monde anymore
[14:23] <snap-l> Good song, just overplayed.
[15:09] <jcastro> n0p: ping
[15:09] <jcastro> snap-l: ping
[15:09] <jcastro> let's talk Orion folks
[15:09] <rick_h_> jcastro: hadn't heard of that. Very cool
[15:09] <rick_h_> and come on, a little dropkick while drinking it up can be fun:P
[15:09] <jcastro> actually I only want to go for the peppers and metallica
[15:10] <jcastro> dropkick is ok I guess
[15:10] <jcastro> http://i.imgur.com/3VycPmP.png
[15:10] <jcastro> actually I hear dillinger escape plan is good
[15:18] <snap-l> jcastro: Not planning on going.
[15:18] <snap-l> Only a few bands on the bill that I'd care about
[15:18] <snap-l> I <3 Dropkick Murphys, and Battlecross is pretty good
[15:18] <snap-l> I've tried to like Dillinger Escape Plan. Too manic for me
[15:19] <snap-l> and Peppers and Metallica are not the bands I got into. :)
[15:20] <snap-l> Went to Summer Sanitarium one year when they had Limp Bread Product, Deftones, and Linkin Park playing prior to Metallica
[15:20] <snap-l> and we left prior to Metallica taking the stage
[15:20] <snap-l> (I was there for my sister in law when she was heavily into Linkin Park)
[15:21] <snap-l> Didn't help that the venue was the Silverdome, and it was hot as fuck in there
[15:26] <jcastro> I went to that show
[15:26] <jcastro> I liked linkin park live
[15:26] <snap-l> Yeah, they definitely put on a great show
[15:26] <snap-l> you could tell they had some funding
[15:27] <jcastro> I've seen them after and have some of their blurays -- they're the only band from that era that can actually play
[15:27] <jcastro> though at the time I pigeon holed them with the other numetal garbage
[15:27] <jcastro> until I heard them live
[15:28] <snap-l> Yeah, I wasn't upset over Linkin Park being her favorite band
[15:28] <snap-l> opened her up to other bands like Coheed and Cambria and so forth
[15:28] <snap-l> I mean, if Linkin Park is the gateway drug to more prog metal, don't let me stand in the way.
[15:41] <greg-g> jcastro: moral of the story (didn't read it all): if you shop around, you can eat healthily and well on the cheap. Carrie and I do it, just without the food stamp part.
[15:43] <snap-l> Yea, I didn't quite understand the outrage
[15:44] <snap-l> Foodstamps != eat like shit
[15:46] <greg-g> right, but! it's about HIPSTERS! and we're supposed to make fun of them! Because! You know! I have no sense of humor and need the easy thing sold to me!
[15:47] <greg-g> With! more! exclamation! marks!
[15:47] <jcastro> it's all about paleo!
[15:48] <greg-g> oh, I didn't read that far ;)
[15:48] <greg-g> two paragraphs, is all, just got the office, need to look like I actually work for a little bit
[15:48] <greg-g> oop, boss just got here, bye bye!
[15:48] <greg-g>  ;)
[15:52] <jcastro> hey greg-g
[15:52] <jcastro> wikipedia search just landed in the dash
[15:52] <jcastro> TAKE THAT HIPPIE.
[15:56] <greg-g> jcastro: how's that adware for dash going?
[15:57] <greg-g> :P
[15:58] <jcastro> integrate wikipedia = you are awesome
[15:58] <jcastro> integrate other things = you suck
[15:59] <greg-g> more: integrate useful, informative stuff = you're awesome
[15:59] <greg-g> integrate adware/shopping = you suck ;)
[15:59]  * greg-g never used the dash, even when using Unity, so...... I don't have a horse in the game, honestly
[16:00] <greg-g> GNOME DO 4 LIF!
[16:00] <jcastro> heh
[16:01] <greg-g> its just a use case I don't experience. I'm usually in my broswer or terminal, so not that far away from (alt-tab) ctrl-k, stuff, enter
[16:02] <greg-g> of course, I'm also a duck duck go user, so, take anything I say with a EFF-sized grain of salt
[16:03] <jcastro> there's already DDG support
[16:03] <jcastro> it's hard to get generic support from a search engine though
[16:03] <jcastro> most want you to pay
[16:09] <greg-g> yeah
[16:51] <jcastro> you know
[16:51] <jcastro> I want to say that I want to support the whole intent for this weev guy
[16:51] <jcastro> but really, the way he comes off
[16:51] <jcastro> I kind of don't care that he goes to jail
[16:52] <greg-g> weev?
[16:52]  * greg-g googles
[16:53] <greg-g> oh, right
[16:53]  * greg-g doesn't know much about it
[16:53] <greg-g> the WP article on him looks informative, though
[16:56] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ahkgc/i_am_weev_i_may_be_going_to_prison_under_the/
[16:56] <jcastro> so he did an AMA
[16:56] <jcastro> and ends up, people don't like the guy
[16:56] <jcastro> so I think it backfired, lol
[16:56] <jcastro> he's the guy that make Kathy Sierra quit the internet
[16:56] <greg-g> who?
[16:57] <greg-g> remember, I have a 15 month old, I don't participate in pop culture anymore
[16:57] <jcastro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Sierra
[16:57] <jcastro> man come on
[16:57] <jcastro> this is all freedom internet hipster stuff
[16:57] <jcastro> I go to _you_ for these sorts of things!
[16:58] <rick_h_> greg-g: I'm with you. I probably heard about it at the time but I try hard to keep away from net-based drama
[16:59] <rick_h_> ouch, the pycon ban-hammer in effect http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycons-response-to-inapropriate.html
[17:00] <jcastro> lol
[17:00] <rick_h_> oh oh oh http://r.bmark.us/u/4e689733326703 /me does the clear data from google app framework/check for udpates dance over and over
[17:00] <jcastro> rick_h_: I want to ping hazmat and be like "so, you coming home early?"
[17:01] <greg-g> rick_h_: but duuuuude, this is California. He has a card for that!
[17:07] <rick_h_> greg-g: lol
[17:08] <rick_h_> greg-g: I wonder if they checked :)
[17:08] <rick_h_> wonder if his card transfers to canada for 2014/15
[17:09] <greg-g> I'm actually wondering if that was the issue, it sounds like jcastro might know what happened/who it was?
[17:10] <greg-g> but, even if he has a card, he can't smoke wherever he wants. That was a common message on Caltrain: "Also, I don't care if you have a special card, there is no smoking, of any kind, on Caltrain."
[17:10] <rick_h_> so I know from people that were reporting on twitter at the time that someone was smoking up something that *could* be called medical...but probably wasn't
[17:10] <rick_h_> yea, it's that exactly
[17:10]  * greg-g nods
[17:10] <rick_h_> so at the TiP Bof someone lit up
[17:10] <greg-g> stupid
[17:10] <rick_h_> and some people were cranky about it and left
[17:10] <greg-g> go outside
[17:10] <rick_h_> so it's in the hotel convention center, in a room, etc
[17:11] <greg-g> yeah, dumb, he must've been high
[17:11] <greg-g> ;)
[17:19] <snap-l> I think I remember weev on the Full Disclosure list
[17:19] <snap-l> he was a jackass
[17:20] <greg-g> heh
[17:21] <snap-l> just seemed like the kind of person who would set you on fire just to watch your reaction
[17:21] <snap-l> and then get offended when you got upset.
[17:21]  * rick_h_ wonders...fire you say eh?
[17:21] <snap-l> har har
[17:23] <rick_h_> jcastro: did you end up getting a new chair recently? Or am I mis-remembering
[17:24] <snap-l> I know I got the Gaim balance ball chair
[17:25] <snap-l> don't remember jcastro mentioning chair news
[17:25] <rick_h_> hmm, thought someone was looking between areon and something else lately
[17:25]  * greg-g hopes to get rid of his work chair soon, requested a standing desk conversion
[17:25] <rick_h_> woot
[17:25] <rick_h_> got my wife to use my standing desk setup last night for the first time
[17:25] <rick_h_> compatible laptops/dock ftw
[17:25] <snap-l> greg-g: remember to start slowly.
[17:26] <snap-l> It takes practice to sit all day
[17:26] <snap-l> take it from a professional
[17:26] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, there are open couches/hammock to use when I'm tired
[17:26] <snap-l> greg-g: was going for the opposite. ;)
[17:31]  * greg-g is still sick and doesn't get it
[17:56] <snap-l> greg-g: That you are probalby more fit than most, and could handle a standing desk with no problem
[17:57] <snap-l> as opposed to folks like myself who let gravity do the work
[17:58] <greg-g> oh, gotcha
[17:58] <greg-g> well, given my current physical wellness (basically, really bad posture, really bad) I'm probably going to have a hard time at it
[18:04] <snap-l> btw: new OMC is up.
[18:04] <snap-l> Episode 68
[18:04] <snap-l> Going to have to do something special for 100. :)
[18:06] <snap-l> Though I'm thrilled as punch that I was able to use an Acumen Nation song in this episode
[18:38] <snap-l> Also, if someone can find the edit in the episode (there's one in there) I'll send you a $10 amazon gift card.
[18:38] <snap-l> Tell me by the end of the day.
[18:38] <snap-l> Good luck. :)
[19:29] <snap-l> So, Ubuntu is not moving to rolling releases
[19:29] <snap-l> and halving the support for non LTS releases to 9 months
[19:58] <brousch> Sounds good to me
[20:20] <brousch> Damnit. why didn't I hear about this earlier? http://detroitgdgdevfest.wordpress.com/
[22:32] <rick_h_> heh, discuss: http://blog.tenstral.net/2013/03/tanglu.html
[22:33] <rick_h_> jjesse: brousch ^^ will like that
[22:35] <rick_h_> hmm, another important 'toread' http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology
[22:35] <rick_h_> bah
[22:36] <brousch> why would i like tangu?
[22:40] <greg-g> Tangu is the Ubuntu of Debian (wait, isn't Ubuntu the Ubuntu of Debian, well, apparently not anymore, or something) :)
[22:44] <rick_h_droid> brousch kde by default
[22:45] <brousch> So it Kubuntu!
[22:45] <brousch> So is
[22:45] <brousch> I suppose it gives me somewhere else to flee when Shuttleworth burns down my house
[22:45] <greg-g> but we all know that is getting thrown under the bus
[22:46] <greg-g> brousch: but really, Tangu would be Kubuntu, pretty much.
[23:12] <snap-l> pretty soon we're going to have to invent languages in order to release software