[21:50] <melodie> hi
[22:46] <pdurbin> melodie: hi
[22:47] <melodie> hello pdurbin
[22:47] <pdurbin> melodie: you started it :)
[22:48] <pdurbin> melodie: what's on your mind?
[22:49] <melodie> Ubuntu Openbox Remix is in my mind :D
[22:49] <melodie> spread the word, find people to help improve it, test it... use it !
[22:50] <melodie> well here is Ubuntu women project, I'm a woman, I lead a project and... there are not enough women on the forum where I am...
[22:50] <melodie> LinuxVillage :)
[22:51] <pdurbin> hmm, yeah, when i searched i found this: http://www.linuxvillage.net/t277-Ubuntu-Openbox-Remix-to-test.htm
[22:51] <melodie> there are one or two more, but they didn't post yet...
[22:51] <melodie> :D
[22:51] <melodie> bravo !!
[22:51] <pdurbin> i saw a cool tweet today about pyladies being 20% of the population
[22:51] <melodie> the new linuxvillage is here : http://beta.linuxvillage.net
[22:51] <melodie> ok
[22:52] <melodie> I don't code, I only know how to put pieces together and sometimes I am lucky coders are interested to help add what lacks to join the pieces
[22:53] <pdurbin> "Holy effing crap. We're over 20% women. #pycon #pyladies" -- https://twitter.com/roguelynn/status/313319776149729280
[22:53] <melodie> this is ubuntu rc7 thread http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,198.0.html and there has been RC8 and after that Bento1
[22:53] <pdurbin> coding starts with putting pieces together. you should keep it up :)
[22:54] <melodie> I have been doing that for several years in another distro and now I learn to do it the Ubuntu way
[22:54] <melodie> I am not going to leave it, it's a global project
[22:55] <melodie> here is RC8 : http://meets.free.fr/debian/images/obubuntu-RC8-menus.png
[22:55] <pdurbin> nice
[22:55] <melodie> and Bento1 has a more classic openbox theme, added Brasero, and fixed a little glitch
[22:56] <melodie> there are a few more little glitches and three big works to do on it... not a problem for use once installed though
[22:56] <melodie> thanks
[22:56] <melodie> Bento1 is here : http://tyruiop.eu/~melodie/Downloads/ISOS/Ubuntu/
[22:56] <melodie> RC3 is a minimal, not as up to date...
[22:57] <melodie> pdurbin what about you ?
[22:57] <melodie> have you projects ?
[23:02] <pdurbin> oh, sure
[23:03] <pdurbin> https://github.com/pdurbin?tab=activity
[23:03] <pdurbin> (warning: I am not a woman)
[23:03]  * melodie visit
[23:03] <melodie> pdurbin ok, I'm not sexist
[23:03] <melodie> :D
[23:03] <pdurbin> heh. good
[23:04] <melodie> not sure I get it : do you develop in Java, in Python, in Perl, or in the three ?
[23:05] <pdurbin> at my new job it's Java. previously mostly Perl. a tiny bit of Python
[23:05] <melodie> alright
[23:06] <pdurbin> oh, you're welcome to promote your projects to this linux-related community: http://crimsonfu.github.com
[23:06] <melodie> do you contribute for new projects sometimes ?
[23:06] <melodie> whose is it ?
[23:07] <pdurbin> whose community? mine I guess. I started it :) I need a place for sysadmins to chat. the channel logs are here: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/today
[23:07] <melodie> "crimsonfu is a group of sysadmins who code."
[23:07] <pdurbin> yes
[23:07] <melodie> I don't code. :'(
[23:07] <pdurbin> meh, that's ok
[23:07] <melodie> I can only align a few chains in bash, and not many
[23:08] <pdurbin> align chains? that sounds like bioinformatics
[23:08] <melodie> I look at your channel logs
[23:08] <melodie> chain characters :D
[23:08] <pdurbin> ok :)
[23:09] <melodie> if you test the ubuntu openbox test spins, you will find a Exec= command line in a lonely /usr/share/applications/ desktop file
[23:09] <melodie> in the Applications > Preferences menus there is an entry to reconfigure the keyboard to your need.
[23:10] <melodie> this is the Debian command line which I never remember about and is so useful
[23:11] <melodie> and the program lxkeyboard does not work, and does not keep the configuration so I decided to start it from a maximized console (until someone fixes the gui app... )
[23:11] <melodie> this is about the best I know to do in a shell
[23:11] <melodie> and in desktop files
[23:12] <melodie> but I am starting to know a bit about the system though, this is what I learned most
[23:12] <pdurbin> sounds useful
[23:12] <melodie> anyone who may have the need for a very light, optimized, and still easy desktop may want to have it
[23:13] <melodie> even on the new fancy tablets and stuff : just remove the panel, put icons there... perhaps a pair of xfce panels with quick launchers setup to autohide : what more is needed ?
[23:13] <melodie> :D
[23:13] <melodie> do you know zram module ?
[23:14] <melodie> you know what ? I like that "When In Doubt, Make It Public"
[23:14] <melodie> a lot
[23:15] <pdurbin> me too. i tend to hang out in channels (like this one) that are logged: http://wiki.greptilian.com/haunts
[23:16] <pdurbin> I mean... if I'm going to write, I'd might as well save it, and be able to link to it
[23:16] <melodie> ok
[23:16] <pdurbin> I haven't added this channel yet because it's so quiet
[23:17]  * pdurbin runs /names
[23:17] <pdurbin> 25 nicks in here...
[23:17] <melodie> I'd be very honored to become member of your crimsonfu place, just what can I do there ?
[23:17] <pdurbin> you can ask and answer questions, like the rest of us
[23:17] <melodie> is crimson related to the king crimson old group ?
[23:17] <melodie> :)
[23:18] <pdurbin> hmm, no... :)
[23:18] <melodie> do you know their music ?
[23:18] <melodie> (70's)
[23:18] <pdurbin> i don't, but i sounds familiar
[23:19] <pdurbin> you know, i bet there are some openbox users #crimsonfu...
[23:19] <melodie> it was heard as a bit wild at the time
[23:19] <pdurbin> yeah, openbox: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/search.pl?channel=crimsonfu&nick=&q=openbox
[23:20] <melodie> pdurbin the truth is that all the project I am leading around it is built on one small application formerly written in lua, then ported to C by someone who wants his desktop to be light, and easy to manager
[23:20] <melodie> -r
[23:20] <melodie> manage
[23:20] <melodie> this is openbox-menu
[23:21] <melodie> pdurbin a chan, and any other place where to log/subscribe to ? ml ? else ?
[23:21] <pdurbin> subscribe to crimsonfu?
[23:22] <melodie> I have been using Archlinux mainly since the beginning of 2006. you ?
[23:22] <melodie> yes
[23:22] <pdurbin> i use red hat stuff primarily
[23:22]  * pdurbin ducks
[23:22] <melodie> :D
[23:23] <melodie> some people from Redhat have helped me solve tricky stuff for another distro where I contributed, in the paste
[23:23] <pdurbin> i guess you could put this in your rss reader: https://github.com/crimsonfu/crimsonfu.github.com/commits/master.atom
[23:23] <melodie> but when "In doubt I wanted to ask advice publicly" : I have been banned. XD
[23:23] <pdurbin> oh wait, google reader is dead
[23:24] <melodie> then we created LinuxVillage. :)
[23:24] <melodie> I don't read RSS anymore, only news at the LinuxVillage forum, and a few mailing lists
[23:24] <pdurbin> so linuxvillage is supposed to be more friendly?
[23:24] <melodie> it is very friendly
[23:25] <pdurbin> friendly is good
[23:25] <melodie> it has the usual blabla at registering, then our rules at the Debian and LinuxChix rules: be polite, be helpful
[23:25] <melodie> and that's it.
[23:25] <pdurbin> "king crimson" -- http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-03-19#i_6606742 :)
[23:26] <melodie> what is it there ?
[23:26] <melodie> I don't even know what "luddite" means
[23:26] <pdurbin> "speaking of music, crimsonfu reminded someone of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Crimson "
[23:26] <melodie> oh
[23:27] <pdurbin> a luddite is someone who doesn't like technology
[23:27] <melodie> oh ? I wonder what the translation would be in French
[23:27] <pdurbin> they destroyed the machines that would take their jobs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
[23:27] <melodie> ah
[23:27] <melodie> I see
[23:28] <melodie> I remember now
[23:28] <pdurbin> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddisme
[23:28] <melodie> the guy's at LinuxVillage told me about it and I discovered something very new
[23:28] <melodie> yes, I've seen the two places, really interesting :
[23:28] <melodie> !
[23:31] <pdurbin> ah, I see. different languages on linuxvillage
[23:31] <melodie> pdurbin I just stumbled upon one of your pages, at wordpress
[23:31] <melodie> http://beta.linuxvillage.net has French and English
[23:31] <pdurbin> wordpress? i don't have a wordpress site...
[23:31] <melodie> we are almost like a real village :D
[23:32] <melodie> no ?
[23:32] <melodie> ok
[23:32] <melodie> that's a quote from you then
[23:32] <pdurbin> have a link?
[23:32] <melodie> looked too fast here : http://greptilian.com/
[23:32] <melodie> it refers to grep, right ?
[23:32] <pdurbin> yep
[23:33] <pdurbin> that's my site
[23:33] <melodie> grep and find are my best friends
[23:33] <pdurbin> +1
[23:33] <pdurbin> well, ack is better than grep
[23:33] <melodie> I found a js quote I think, that leads here: https://perennialmillennial.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/the-programmer-hierarchy
[23:33] <melodie> I have to discover then
[23:33] <pdurbin> ack 1.96 -- better than grep, a source code search tool for programmers - http://betterthangrep.com/
[23:34] <melodie> you probably know the drak control center from mandriva, written in Perl ?
[23:35] <pdurbin> hmm, nope
[23:35] <melodie> I try to grab a pic ?
[23:35] <pdurbin> i've never used mandriva
[23:36] <melodie> I have been using one of it's forks for about 3 years
[23:36] <melodie> http://www.freetechie.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/pclinuxos_apps_control_center.jpg
[23:37] <melodie> this works so well, be it gui or the console versions for tty's, with the different drak tools
[23:37] <pdurbin> hmm. new to me
[23:37] <melodie> all the drak tools are written in Perl
[23:38] <melodie> Mandriva / Mandrake before, now Mageia use it, and PCLinuxOS since it was forked first from Mandrake back in 2003
[23:38] <melodie> its the most reliable admin tool ever
[23:39] <melodie> what makes it differ from other control centers is that it is desktop agnostic : only admin tools are gathered there, not any tool related to a specific destkop
[23:39] <melodie> and this is very clever
[23:39] <pdurbin> I find Perl to be quite reliable
[23:40] <melodie> I find this tool and the set that goes with it particularly well thought
[23:40] <melodie> you install a new admin tool : it appears in the main gui
[23:40] <melodie> you remove it (ie : 3D) it disappears. and each one works great most of the time
[23:41] <pdurbin> nice
[23:41] <melodie> :)
[23:41] <melodie> this lacks in other gui distributions, imo
[23:43] <melodie> is #crimsonfu on freenode ?
[23:43] <pdurbin> yep
[23:46] <melodie> coming
[23:46] <melodie> ...
[23:46] <pdurbin> heh
[23:46] <melodie> ?
[23:49] <pdurbin> there you are: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-03-19#i_6606775
[23:50] <melodie> I now where I am, thanks. :D
[23:50] <melodie> do a "whois" on my nick ?
[23:52] <melodie> pdurbin $ sudo pacman -S ack
[23:52] <melodie> Cibles (2) : perl-file-next-1.10-2  ack-1.96-1
[23:52] <melodie> I'll try using it