[00:52] <RAOF> It's my morning for SRU queue processing. Get your pings in now if there's something particularly urgent!
[01:07] <xnox> RAOF: remove usb-creator from precise-proposed =)
[01:07] <RAOF> xnox: It's not _in_ precise-proposed, as far as I can tell?
[01:08] <RAOF> Oh, sorry. There it is.
[01:09] <RAOF> xnox: Fair call!
[01:09] <xnox> RAOF: lvm2 accepts from unapproved would be nice in quantal/precise. There are $people wanting it. And if you have any questions about gcc or python uploads and feel like hovering over reject, feel free to ping me to find / add any additional info.
[01:10] <RAOF> xnox: Python uploads to precise? I *was* just about to ping doko for clarification - he's uploaded two pythons with different fixes :)
[01:14] <xnox> RAOF: you know why? the first one probably wasn't accepted quick enough, he made a new one, but didn't base it on top of unapproved queue, which is hard to miss.
[01:14] <xnox> i was almost in the same spot with lvm2.
[01:15] <RAOF> I think you mean "easy to miss", but yeah, that seems right.
[01:15] <xnox> yes.
[01:16] <xnox> RAOF: and i bet he will be pissed off about rebasing them =)
[01:16]  * xnox should find time to rebase them.
[01:17] <xnox> RAOF: i think it's fair play to accept one of them (most urgent or oldest first or whatever) and then ask to reupload/rebase the other one ;-)
[01:25] <RAOF> Bah. lvm2 in quantal's confused launchpad.
[01:30] <RAOF> xnox: Enjoy your new lvm2 riches.
[01:32] <xnox> RAOF: Dell Poweredge and FusionIO customers should be enjoying this =) i wish i had such hardware ;-)
[01:55] <xnox> RAOF: thanks a lot =)
[06:03] <pitti> Good morning
[06:04] <RAOF> Good morning!
[06:13] <pitti> hey RAOF
[08:01] <jibel> good morning
[08:03] <didrocks> salut jibel
[08:03] <jibel> bonjour didrocks
[08:33] <jpds> Anyone know which package the "Privacy" part of System Settings is in?
[08:37] <didrocks> jpds: activity-log-manager
[08:53] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:54] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[09:07] <Laney> morning
[09:09] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:10] <Laney> howdy pitti, how goes?
[09:10]  * Laney got snowed on quite a lot this morning
[09:11] <pitti> Laney: it finally stopped here at last \o/
[09:11] <pitti> I see some birds hopping between our many crocuses in the garden
[09:12] <Laney> just in time for spring :P
[09:12] <pitti> about time!
[09:18]  * Laney opens debian-vote, sees the number of unread emails, screams and closes it again
[10:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, http://ubuntuone.com/6AoJnKb3h5LXMHDnVBlbWJ
[10:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, just got a corruption, not sure that's still the intel issue though
[10:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey btw ;-)
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128 :(
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> does it go away with sna disabled like before?
[10:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, I got that for the first time, it's hard to say when you get a bug once every second day
[10:23] <seb128> just got this one by dnd the tab in firefox
[11:18] <Sweetsha1k> seb128, pitti: ping?
[11:18] <Sweetsha1k> I need some packager advice, for choosing between two evils ;)
[11:19]  * pitti waves
[11:19] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[11:20] <seb128> pitti, I've been told you made progress on the langpacks update btw, thanks!
[11:22] <Sweetshark> pitti, seb128: so as stated in http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/autopkgtests-for-adults/ I need the build-deps for the autopkgtests to run ./configure correctly but because of debian bug 693540, I cant reuse our autogenerated ones. Im currently doublebookkeeping them, which is bad.
[11:22] <ubot2> Debian bug 693540 in autopkgtest "autopkgtest: doesn't support versioned dependencies" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/693540
[11:23] <pitti> you could perhaps use some seddery?
[11:23] <pitti> or, if you are feeling _really_ adventurous, try to fix the bug in autopkgtest
[11:23] <pitti> but beware, looking at the code will make your eyes pop out
[11:24] <pitti> it's the inimitable style of Ian Jackson's "I hate python, write perl which happens to compile as python using C64 basic identifiers"
[11:25] <Sweetshark> pitti, seb128: so my idea was: since I have a package with the autopkgtest tools (called libreoffice-subsequenttestbase), I could just sed in the build-deps to that package too, which should support the full apt-syntax. And the debian/tests/control would just depend on that (as it does now) ...
[11:25] <pitti> Sweetshark: that sounds fine, too
[11:26] <seb128> that works for me as well
[11:26] <Sweetshark> pitti, seb128: k, will go for that then.
[11:26] <seb128> cool
[11:58] <Sweetshark> pitti: btw is that (creating a package containing helpers for an autopkgtest) done anywhere else?
[11:59] <pitti> Sweetshark: the mysql-5.5 source package builds a mysql-testsuite-5.5 binary
[11:59] <pitti> but not exclusively for autopkgtest
[12:00] <Sweetshark> pitti: what are the other clients? manual sanity checks of an install? or some other automated test?
[12:01] <pitti> Sweetshark: manual mostly, I guess
[12:01] <pitti> but we haven't really used it before
[12:01] <Sweetshark> pitti: right. same for libreoffice. (well, and the tests are run during the build already).
[13:24] <Sweetshark> pitti, seb128: hmm, that doesnt work as build-deps has arch-specific deps and the package is arch all
[13:25]  * Sweetshark raises angry-old-man-fist at dpkg -- '... but I know what I am doing'.
[13:26] <pitti> Sweetshark: is that package very big? i. e. does it cost a lot of extra mirror space to make it arch:any?
[13:28] <Sweetshark> pitti: its not very big (~3MB?) -- but as it contains jar-files, Im not sure they are build in build-indep (thus the buildd on non-i386 would fail ...)
[13:29] <Sweetshark> pitti: s/build-indep/build-arch/ that is ...
[13:32] <Sweetshark> I could just sed out the arch-specific deps. There is a minor risk with that, but it should be alright
[13:35] <bdrung> Sweetshark: shouldn't you depend on more libreoffice-* packages in autopkgtest?
[13:36] <Sweetshark> bdrung: nope, doing it transitively via libreoffice-subsequentcheckbase
[14:18] <mterry> didrocks, when do you think the MIRs for that scope stuff will hit?  (also, how busy are you?)
[14:21] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, could you update account-plugins and webapps? the new unity-asset-pool breaks the current version and is stucked in proposed until we update those
[14:21] <seb128> e.g since http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-asset-pool/trunk/revision/67
[14:21] <kenvandine> seb128, yes i can!
[14:21] <kenvandine> we have them queued up
[14:22] <kenvandine> i just didn't want to upload until the dailies ran
[14:22] <kenvandine> seb128, circle of friends MIR bug 1157732
[14:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157732 in unity-lens-friends (Ubuntu) "[MIR] circle of friends" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157732
[14:23] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[14:27] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, we fixed unity test, the autopilot revert was buggy, upstream didn't revert the binary name, only the .desktop one, so half the change was buggy
[14:27] <seb128> cyphermox, can you look at why the qa stack is not landing? seems and an issue with autopilot-qt
[14:29] <kenvandine> seb128, done
[14:29] <seb128> kenvandine, \o/
[14:29] <seb128> thanks
[14:33] <rickspencer3> hey seb128 ... what's the word on the street about 100 scopes?
[14:33] <rickspencer3> seems to be landing ok from here
[14:34] <rickspencer3> I've been running the PPA all week, seems to working fine
[14:34] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey
[14:34] <qengho> tkamppeter: I have a question.  Should "cups" and "cups-daemon" both provide a logrotate.d script that try to rotate  /var/log/cups/*log  ?  logrotate cron complains to me every day.
[14:35] <seb128> rickspencer3, didrocks is doing the work/tracking, from what I've seen it's coming along but it's a bit bumpy, there are still some bugs and missing bits
[14:35] <seb128> but it's getting there
[14:35] <rickspencer3> ack
[14:35] <rickspencer3> thanks seb128
[14:35] <seb128> yw ;-)
[14:35] <rickspencer3> personally, I find the new scopes to be an improvement
[14:36] <rickspencer3> it was good in 12.10, but it seems even better in 13.04
[14:36] <seb128> they will be I'm sure, it's still a bit early to say that
[14:36] <seb128> for me the dash flicker a lot when I type
[14:36] <seb128> it seems to keep re-arranging items
[14:37] <seb128> it misses some content that was there before as well (photos, online videos, etc)
[14:37] <seb128> but those are issues being worked
[14:37] <seb128> so getting there ;-)
[14:41] <cyphermox> seb128: so is the revert fixed now?
[14:42] <seb128> cyphermox, yeah, the issue is autopilot-qt
[14:42] <seb128> for that stack to land
[14:42] <cyphermox> yeah I know
[14:43] <cyphermox> but I also have no clue what to do with this
[14:43] <cyphermox> http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/QA/job/cu2d-qa-head-1.1prepare-autopilot-qt/2/console
[14:43] <cyphermox> o test report files were found. Configuration error?
[14:43] <cyphermox> Build step 'Publish JUnit test result report' changed build result to FAILURE
[14:43] <seb128> cyphermox, the error is in http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/QA/job/cu2d-qa-head-1.1prepare-autopilot-qt/1/console
[14:43] <seb128> cyphermox, 2 was a run for "autopilot" alone
[14:43] <cyphermox> ok
[14:43] <cyphermox> ugh
[14:44] <cyphermox> what a mess
[14:44] <kenvandine> seb128, account-plugins is in NEW, i forgot there was a generic-oauth provider added
[14:44] <seb128> kenvandine, will check
[14:46] <seb128> kenvandine, can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1157747 ... missing replace?
[14:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157747 in unity-asset-pool "package unity-asset-pool 0.8.24daily12.12.05-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/facebook.png', which is also in package account-plugin-facebook 0.10bzr13.02.27-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:47] <kenvandine> hummm... robru tested that upgrade
[14:47] <kenvandine> oh... they had a replace for account-plugin-icons
[14:47] <mterry> robru, poke about a deja-dup merge from last week
[14:47] <kenvandine> i guess it needs to conflict with the older versions of account-plugin-*
[14:47] <cyphermox> seb128: I'll have a merge request to review in a second
[14:48] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[14:48] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll prepare a branch for unity-asset-pool
[14:48] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks, maybe upload directly to distro (or do a manual stack landing run)
[14:48] <seb128> we want that fixed before it moves to raring
[14:48] <seb128> kenvandine, I will keep the new binary in NEW meanwhile to delay the transition
[14:49] <cyphermox> seb128: if you want to review: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/autopilot-qt/rename-source/+merge/154389
[14:49] <kenvandine> seb128, so it current replaces and breaks the older account-plugin-icons
[14:49] <kenvandine> but it doesn't really replace the older account-plugin-facebook
[14:49] <kenvandine> so just add a breaks for those right?
[14:52] <seb128> kenvandine, replaces/breaks yes, like it was done for -icons
[14:52] <kenvandine> but it doesn't complete replace the others
[14:52] <kenvandine> just 1 file
[14:53] <didrocks> mterry: I think Friday will have a first version reviewable
[14:53] <didrocks> mterry: but not complete yet
[14:53] <Sweetshark> proudly presenting the regexp from hell: perl -pi -e "s#%BUILD_DEPS_ARCH_ALL%#$(strip $(shell echo '$(BUILD_DEPS), $(BUILD_DEPS_INDEP)'|sed -e 's/,/,\n    /g'|grep -v libc0.1| sed -e 's/\[[^]]*\]//g'|sort|uniq))#g" debian/control
[14:53] <mterry> didrocks, just trying to balance MIRs.  Ken dropped a bunch of friends ones
[14:53] <mterry> didrocks, don't suppose you have a bundle of free time?
[14:54] <seb128> cyphermox, approved but I can't change the status since I'm not in the autopilot group
[14:55] <didrocks> mterry: ahah, yeah, it was supposed to… :)
[14:55] <seb128> kenvandine, "replaces" mean "ovewrite a file that was there"
[14:55] <didrocks> mterry: TBH, you can review already the scopes
[14:55] <didrocks> mterry: the packaging won't change a lot
[14:55] <seb128> kenvandine, >=1 file
[14:55] <didrocks> the upstream code is trivial
[14:55] <kenvandine> oh... all this time i thought it meant replace package :)
[14:55] <kenvandine> a package should never overwrite files!
[14:55] <davidcalle> didrocks, hey, that's a mean thing to say! ;)
[14:56] <seb128> kenvandine, well, when you move files between binaries (like that) it can happen depending of the unpack order of the debs
[14:56] <seb128> like there*
[14:56] <didrocks> davidcalle: come on, not that way!
[14:56] <didrocks> davidcalle: just that you don't have system() calls or whatever :p
[14:56] <seb128> kenvandine, the field is there to tell dpkg is ok, because indeed by default that's not an ok thing to do :p
[14:57] <tkamppeter> qengho, no, only cups-daemon should logrotate. A bug is already reported, bug 1157758.
[14:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157758 in cups (Ubuntu) ""cups" and "cups-daemon" both logrotate /var/log/cups/*log" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157758
[14:57] <didrocks> davidcalle: and packaging has been excellently reviewed :)
[14:57] <davidcalle> didrocks, ;)
[14:57] <qengho> tkamppeter: Yeah, I just made that bug report.  Thanks.
[14:57] <kenvandine> didrocks, should i do a manual upload of unity-asset-pool or force a stack run?
[14:57] <kenvandine> didrocks, maybe if you can give me a quick approval a stack run :)
[14:58] <dobey> did something change recently to break evolution in some horrible and undiscoverable way?
[14:58] <didrocks> kenvandine: sorry, what's the issue?
[14:58] <kenvandine> dobey, it's been crashy as hell for a while
[14:58] <didrocks> saw you MP but ping lang here
[14:58] <dobey> evolution just sits trying to "refresh folder INBOX" (with IMAP) when i start it now, and it's not usable
[14:58] <kenvandine> file conflicts
[14:58] <didrocks> (10 pings in //)
[14:58] <dobey> kenvandine: no crashiness here
[14:58] <dobey> been working fine until today :(
[14:59] <kenvandine> didrocks, he made it break/replace account-plugin-icons
[14:59] <kenvandine> but not the other plugin packages that had icons
[14:59] <didrocks> kenvandine: but account-plugins-icons in not in the daily?
[14:59] <kenvandine> didrocks, i have a branch ready to fix it
[14:59] <kenvandine> right
[14:59] <kenvandine> unity-asset-pool is
[14:59] <kenvandine> it conflicts with account-plugin-facebook
[14:59] <kenvandine> etc
[14:59] <didrocks> ah ok
[14:59] <dobey> it's like imap is suddenly horribly broken
[14:59] <kenvandine> the -icons package only contains the icons that empathy used
[15:00] <dobey> but there's no new e-d-s to have broken it
[15:00] <seb128> didrocks, the version we landed misses replaces and creates bug #1157747
[15:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157747 in unity-asset-pool (Ubuntu) "package unity-asset-pool 0.8.24daily12.12.05-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/facebook.png', which is also in package account-plugin-facebook 0.10bzr13.02.27-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157747
[15:00] <didrocks> kenvandine: so you, coordinate with mterry but I think you should be able to rerun just a rebuild in unity-asset-pool
[15:00] <didrocks> seb128: thanks for the context :)
[15:01] <kenvandine> yeah, just wanted to get a quick branch approval
[15:01] <mterry> didrocks, so these friends MIRs.  Do you have time to handle them, or shall I take them?
[15:01] <kenvandine> mterry, didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/unity-asset-pool/lp_1157747/+merge/154396
[15:02] <didrocks> mterry: I really have no time dude, already trying to cover what I can…
[15:02] <kenvandine> i'll buy beer in oakland for whoever does ;)
[15:02] <mterry> didrocks, alright, I'll do.  I had assumed that was the case, but it wasn't clear from your answers above
[15:02] <didrocks> kenvandine: approved
[15:02] <didrocks> mterry: sorry :/
[15:03] <mterry> didrocks, sure, you'll steal my beer from kenvandine's branch, but won't do MIRs  ;)
[15:03] <kenvandine> didrocks, thanks
[15:03] <dobey> [000:004] Browser toolkit is Gtk2.
[15:03] <dobey> i wonder if that's from webkit or from some plug-in
[15:03] <kenvandine> i'll rerun the stack after the merger gets it
[15:03] <mterry> didrocks, (no worries, just joking)
[15:04] <dobey> wah and the calendar is empty too :(
[15:04] <kenvandine> mterry, there beer offer was for the MIR :)
[15:04] <didrocks> mterry: heh
[15:05] <didrocks> kenvandine: yw
[15:05] <kenvandine> mterry, so you win :)
[15:05] <mterry> heh
[15:05] <didrocks> kenvandine: mterry: one of you will rerun unity-asset-pool build, isn't it?
[15:05] <didrocks> once merged
[15:05] <kenvandine> i will
[15:06] <mterry> kenvandine, guh, pkglibexecdir, not libexecdir  (not a blocker)
[15:06] <kenvandine> what's that in?
[15:06] <mterry> kenvandine, unity-lens-friends, when installing the daemon
[15:06] <kenvandine> oh... copied from the gwibber lens :)
[15:06] <kenvandine> old bug
[15:07] <kenvandine> i'll fix that up :)
[15:07] <mterry> kenvandine, everyone is so used to libexecdir from when debhelper had a bug that made libexecdir act like pkglibexecdir
[15:07] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:08] <seb128> those 2 are very confusing
[15:08] <dobey> oh, hrmm. seems probably the calendar backend was hanging and blocking everything in the process perhaps :(
[15:08] <seb128> and used in very confusing way in debian
[15:08] <seb128> like some distro have a /usr/libexec
[15:08] <seb128> which Debian/Ubuntu haven't
[15:13] <desrt> what's the deal with debian anti-libexecism, anyway?
[15:13] <desrt> is it about versioning?
[15:14] <seb128> I don't know
[15:14] <seb128> it's older than me joining Debian
[15:14] <seb128> we never had a libexec afaik
[15:14] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:14]  * desrt can understand having a preference for /usr/lib/libname0/blah over /usr/libexec/blah
[15:14] <desrt> for parallel-installability reasons
[15:14] <desrt> seb128: hi :)
[15:14] <mterry> kenvandine, why do you force C collate locale in the lens?
[15:15] <seb128> desrt, can you check the current comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1152187 and maybe upstream the issues pointed?
[15:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1152187 in systemd "[MIR] systemd" [Undecided,Fix released]
[15:15] <kenvandine> mterry, for sorting in Dee
[15:16] <desrt> seb128: like, ping lennart? :)
[15:16] <kenvandine> since we sort on timestrings only, it is harmless to drop it to C
[15:16] <seb128> desrt, ping lennart/file upstream bug for issues that are worth a bug
[15:16] <desrt> k
[15:16] <seb128> desrt, thanks ;-)
[15:16] <kenvandine> mterry,  and without it there was unpredictable results :)
[15:16] <mterry> kenvandine, k
[15:17] <kenvandine> sigh... powerppc builds take ages
[15:17] <mterry> kenvandine, you hardcode GNOME desktop env?
[15:17] <mterry> kenvandine, instead of Unity?
[15:18] <kenvandine> humm
[15:18] <kenvandine> ah, that was also old copy paste from other lenses
[15:18] <kenvandine> :)
[15:19] <kenvandine> i wonder if we even need that at all anymore
[15:23] <seb128> cyphermox, autopilot-qt merged, I think you can retry the qa stack
[15:25] <cyphermox> yup
[15:31] <cyphermox> grr, autopilot-qt is starting to annoy me a lot
[15:32] <seb128> cyphermox, seems trivial to fix
[15:32] <cyphermox> seb128: yes, it just should have worked the first time around
[15:32] <seb128> just change the changelog version to something < 0.7daily13.03.20-0ubuntu1
[15:34] <seb128> cyphermox, it should probably be UNRELEASED rather than "quantal" as well
[15:34] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:35] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm about to go for some exercice but if you put a MR up I can ack it before going ;-)
[15:35] <cyphermox> I think the correct thing to do would rather be to bump the version up to 0.8
[15:36] <seb128> cyphermox, seems fine yes
[15:37] <seb128> to ensure you are newer than the ppa
[15:37] <cyphermox> there's nothi9n in the ppa
[15:37] <seb128> well, seeing the changelog there were several quantal uploads
[15:37] <seb128> so I guess some #ps people have a ppa with that somewhere
[15:38] <xnox> seb128: we are continiuing to get bugs about input going away during ubiquity installer mode only (without full desktop) due to compiz going away.
[15:38] <seb128> xnox, do you have a bug report with a backtrace from compiz?
[15:38] <cyphermox> yeah, but it has nothing to do with the checks our scripts do
[15:38] <xnox> seb128: is it acceptable to put back metacity onto cds, to be used by ubiquity in ubiquity-only mode, and at the end of the install it will be removed thus installed systems will not have metacity (just like in quantal)
[15:39] <seb128> cyphermox, you mean? I was just saying that 0.8 would help those users to get the new version
[15:39] <seb128> xnox, works for me
[15:39] <cyphermox> seb128: there is that too
[15:39] <cyphermox> https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/autopilot-qt/changelog/+merge/154412
[15:39] <xnox> seb128: well when those machines loose input, there is no ctrl+alt+t nor ctrl+alt+f1 and the crash files are in ram. so very hard to fetch them out.
[15:39] <xnox> so I'm yet to fetch a good crash/traceback/errors/logs anythings.
[15:40] <seb128> xnox, just roll back to what you had for raring if it's easier, we don't plan to spend lot of efforts on compiz at this point
[15:40] <seb128> cyphermox, approved
[15:40] <xnox> seb128: ack. thanks a lot.
[15:41] <seb128> xnox, yw!
[15:41] <cyphermox> thanks. I ll rerun as soon as I see it land
[15:41] <seb128> great
[15:41] <seb128> I'm away for some exercice, be back in ~1h
[16:13] <robru> mterry, hey. sorry about not doing that MP; been totally swamped trying to get FFE stuff done quickly.
[16:20] <mterry> robru, no worries, it's not urgent, just didn't want it slipping through the cracks in case you didn't see the first notice
[16:21] <robru> mterry, it's starred in my inbox ;-) I'll try and get to it today, I think I'm done FFE stuff for now (unless kenvandine finds any last minute bugs I should know about)
[16:22] <kenvandine> mterry, that PPC depwait in ubuntu-ui-toolkit trickles down to a build failure for qtjsbackend
[16:22] <kenvandine> Project ERROR: Couldn't detect supported v8 architecture (ppc/power). Currently supported architectures are: x64, x86 and arm
[16:23] <kenvandine> so nothing we can really do about that :/
[16:23] <mterry> kenvandine, then the stack needs to declare that it's not for powerpc in the Architecture line, eh?
[16:23] <kenvandine> ok
[16:24] <kenvandine> Architecture: any [!powerpc]
[16:24] <kenvandine> something like that?
[16:24] <mterry> If that's legal syntax, yes
[16:24] <mterry> Not actually sure
[16:24] <kenvandine> i
[16:24] <kenvandine> i'll figure it out
[16:25] <mterry> kenvandine, well, it says it only supports  x64, x86 and arm, so guess just listing those makes sense
[16:25] <kenvandine> good point
[16:25] <mterry> poor powerpc
[16:26] <kenvandine> :)
[16:33] <kenvandine> can anyone confirm that this is correct?
[16:33] <kenvandine> -Architecture: any
[16:33] <kenvandine> +Architecture: amd64 i386 armhf
[16:33] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[16:37] <Laney> seems fine
[16:38] <kenvandine> great
[16:40] <Laney> It might be alright/better to leave it failing to build on ppc though, as an obvious reminder that work needs to be done there
[16:43] <kenvandine> Laney, it isn't just a failure though, upstream says they don't support it
[16:43] <kenvandine> which means very unlikely to add support later
[16:44] <Laney> oh, that's sad
[16:46] <kenvandine> indeed
[16:47] <robru> kenvandine, didrocks: are we doing a hangout soonish?
[16:48] <didrocks> robru: yeah, when you are ready
[16:49] <robru> didrocks, ok, I just need a minute, what about kenvandine ?
[16:51] <kenvandine> sure
[16:51] <kenvandine> i don't have a ton of time though, i need to leave in ~25m
[16:52] <seb128> kenvandine, the arch list seems line (as Laney said)
[16:52] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah, i've already uploaded :)
[17:18] <seb128> kenvandine, still there?
[17:23] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks for publishing u-a-p :)
[17:28] <seb128> kenvandine, I was going to ask about that but just saw it was published as well ;-)
[17:54] <kenvandine> seb128, :)
[17:55] <kenvandine> didrocks, anything i can do to get my friends stack run to stop waiting on ppc?
[17:55] <kenvandine> it's holding up getting other stuff merged...
[17:56] <kenvandine> i'm assuming the ppc build isn't going to happen anytime soon
[17:56] <mterry> kenvandine, does qtdeclarative5-dev also not work on powerpc?
[17:56] <mterry> kenvandine, ah I see you're asking about that now
[17:57] <kenvandine> it depends on v8
[17:57] <kenvandine> no, not that :)
[17:57] <kenvandine> there are no ppc PPA builders right now
[17:57] <kenvandine> so my friends stack is never going to finish building :/
[17:57] <mterry> kenvandine, wait, so is qtdeclarative5-dev just a busy builder issue or the same jsbackend issue as before?
[17:58] <didrocks> kenvandine: for CI? maybe talk to fginther/mmrazik
[17:58] <didrocks> you mean upstream merge, right?
[17:58] <didrocks> not daily release?
[17:59] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:59] <kenvandine> upstream, CI fails because the package depends on a version of friends that isn't published yet
[17:59] <didrocks> right, so see with them, I think they can reconfigure the job to not dep on that
[17:59] <kenvandine> cool
[17:59] <kenvandine> fginther, can you help with that?
[18:00] <fginther> didrocks, kenvandine, one moment. on the phone
[18:00] <kenvandine> fginther, CI is failing for qml-friends because it depends on a version of friends that isn't published in raring yet
[18:00] <kenvandine> it is published in the daily ppa though
[18:07] <fginther> kenvandine, we can add the daily ppa as a build dependency
[18:08] <kenvandine> fginther, please do :)
[18:08] <fginther> kenvandine, Ack. will let you know when it's updated
[18:08] <kenvandine> fginther, thanks!
[18:12] <mterry> kenvandine, so does this mean that Ubuntu on powerpc won't have gwibber?
[18:13] <kenvandine> i guess so
[18:13] <kenvandine> unless we can untangle the deps
[18:13] <kenvandine> so qtdeclarative doesn't need v8
[18:13] <kenvandine> not sure how doable that is
[18:15] <kenvandine> mterry, qml-friends has tests :)
[18:16] <kenvandine> was blocked on the FFe, it'll land in raring as soon as i get this stack run unstuck :)
[18:19] <mterry> kenvandine, it does?  maybe I was being blind.  Let me look again
[18:19] <mterry> kenvandine, oh you mean in trunk, but not in raring?
[18:22] <kenvandine> not even in trunk yet :)
[18:22] <kenvandine> waiting to be merged
[18:22] <kenvandine> approved... just CI is failing because of friends not being published
[18:24] <mterry> kenvandine, well good, I do like tests
[18:25] <kenvandine> mterry, and as soon as all these packages land i am going to shift focus for a couple days to only working on autopilot tests for gwibber :)
[18:34] <mterry> kenvandine, regarding gwibber and powerpc, is that a problem?  Like, shouldn't powerpc images come with the same desktop as i386?
[18:34] <mterry> Or is powerpc a "less than" architecture as far as the Desktop team is concerned
[18:35] <sarnold> mterry: as I understand it, powerpc has been a "best effort" arch since 7.04: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Architectures
[18:35] <kenvandine> mterry, yeah there are a number of packages not available for ppc
[18:36] <kenvandine> i wish that wasn't the case.. but it is hard to support these days
[18:36] <mterry> sarnold, ah
[18:36] <mterry> We probably don't need it very much these days, right?  Don't macbooks handle i386 ok now?
[18:37] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:38] <robru> mterry, macs have been intel-only since ~2005
[18:39] <robru> mterry, so really, we're talking about 8-year-old macs being unsupported by gwibber.
[18:39] <mdeslaur> I'm sure our 3d desktop works really well on 8-year old macs
[18:41] <mterry> kenvandine, gir1.2-friends-0.1 should probably depend on libfriends0
[18:43] <mterry> kenvandine, and this is a small nit, but I think you can pass --with gir instead of manually calling dh_girepository
[18:44] <kenvandine> ah, i'm still oldschool :)
[18:49] <mterry> kenvandine, and you misspelled your name in all your copyright messages for libfriends  ;)
[18:49] <kenvandine> oh that's awesome!
[18:49] <robru> LOL
[18:50] <kenvandine> i bet that means gwibber had them misspelled too :)
[18:50] <kenvandine> mterry is the only person that reads those... obviously :)
[18:50] <mterry> kenvandine, yikes, there is a color "indianred" ?  seems not PC
[18:50] <kenvandine> haha!
[18:51] <kenvandine> yeah... yeah there is
[18:51] <kenvandine> yeah... it's misspelled in the old libgwibber source too :)
[18:51] <kenvandine> years of misspelling that nobody noticed :)
[18:51] <mterry> kenvandine, hey, it's not really a misspelling if you typed it
[18:52] <kenvandine> actually i think neil did that :)
[18:52] <kenvandine> he added the first of the copyright headers to my files
[18:52] <kenvandine> and i copied and pasted that into all the others
[18:52] <mterry> kenvandine, why do the gtk bindings get to be in the main libfriends source, but qml-friends is relegated to second class?
[18:53] <kenvandine> qml-friends need to be in main... but i don't care if the gtk bindings are in main :)
[18:53] <kenvandine> oh
[18:53] <kenvandine> the main... not main :)
[18:53] <kenvandine> autotools vs. qmake :)
[18:53] <robru> kenvandine, but I thought qml-friends wrapped libfriends? so libfriends will need to go in main, too
[18:53] <kenvandine> it does
[18:53] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:54] <kenvandine> can't mix the build systems!
[18:54] <robru> ah
[18:54] <kenvandine> don't cross the streams
[18:54] <robru> kenvandine, lp:friends somehow managed to mix setup.py and autotools ;-)
[18:54] <kenvandine> and qml-friends wraps more than libfriends
[18:54] <kenvandine> yeah... that was out of desparation :)
[18:54] <kenvandine> there goes my spelling awesomeness again
[18:57] <mterry> kenvandine, that explains that.  Do the libfriends tests take forever?  They seem to have stalled in my pbuilder
[18:57] <bcurtiswx> please tell me he misspelled his name "keg"?
[18:57] <robru> mterry, I don't remember them being too slow. could be stalled waiting for dbus-test-runner or something
[18:57] <robru> bcurtiswx, VaDine
[18:59] <mterry> Keg VanWine
[18:59] <ogra_> cheers
[18:59] <bcurtiswx> yes!
[19:00] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:17] <kenvandine> mterry, qml-friends uploaded to raring
[19:18] <kenvandine> should be able to approve that one now
[19:19] <ChrisTownsend> kenvandine: Hey, I saw the earlier conversation about unity-asset-pool and saw that you tried fixing that situation.  However, the latest package will not install and if I try to do an apt-get install unity-asset-pool, it wants to REMOVE all of those packages, not just replace the file.
[19:20] <kenvandine> what version?
[19:21] <ChrisTownsend> Just a sec, I'll get that.
[19:21] <kenvandine> 0.8.24daily13.03.20.1-0ubuntu1
[19:21] <kenvandine> shouldn't do that
[19:22] <ChrisTownsend> Yep, that's it.
[19:22] <kenvandine> ugh... you're right!
[19:22] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^^
[19:22] <ChrisTownsend> It won't let it install from Software Updater though, so at leaat that is safe.
[19:22] <mterry> kenvandine, whoa yeah you weren't kidding about autools and setup.py in friends
[19:23] <kenvandine> no... i wasn't :)
[19:23] <kenvandine> seb128, so a dist-upgrade wants to remove all the account-plugin packages
[19:23] <kenvandine> but, install unity-asset-pool wants to upgrade them
[19:26] <tkamppeter> seb128, still there?
[19:26] <mterry> dobey, are we going to have a new release of software-center before UI Freeze?
[19:26] <tkamppeter> Anyone here in charge of the PDF viewer on Ubuntu Touch?
[19:26] <dobey> mterry: yes, i'm doing one right now
[19:26] <dobey> launchpad is being a pita though
[19:26] <mterry> dobey, awesome.   I want my shiny new icon  ;)
[19:27] <dobey> it is a much better icon than that old one was
[19:27] <Robin_Watts> Hi all. I'm one of the mupdf (and ghostscript) developers. I believe you are using poppler as your pdf renderer of choice for Ubuntu touch. We'd be interested in seeing you use MuPDF instead, and would like to work with you to make that happen.
[19:28] <Robin_Watts> Also, if there is something that MuPDF *doesn't* do that precludes it being considered, we'd like to know what so we can fix it! :)
[19:28] <mterry> Robin_Watts, hrm.  This channel is more for the Desktop image.  You might try #ubuntu-touch?  Though I'd imagine we'd like to not diverge on such a thing
[19:29] <mterry> They might bump you back here for that reason...  :-/
[19:29] <Robin_Watts> mterry: we've been talking to tkamppeter about his needs for printing, and we think MuPDF would be a good fit there.
[19:30] <mterry> Robin_Watts, well, try #ubuntu-touch
[19:30] <Robin_Watts> It would (as I understand it) be nice to only have the one PDF renderer in the system, hence me coming here to see what the guys doing the viewer think.
[19:30] <Robin_Watts> But yes, I will try on #ubuntu-touch too. Thanks!
[19:31] <mterry> Robin_Watts, well, we use evince from GNOME as the Desktop viewer
[19:31] <mterry> Robin_Watts, I'm guessing that since it's a GNOME package, the backend is not swappable
[19:32] <kenvandine> ChrisTownsend, testing a fix now
[19:32] <Robin_Watts> evince uses poppler as it's PDF backend.
[19:32] <ChrisTownsend> kenvandine: Ok, cool
[19:32] <mterry> Robin_Watts, but if Ubuntu is building a new PDF viewer for Touch, Desktop might inherit that viewer eventually instead of evince.  So if you can convince the Touch people it makes sense...
[19:32] <ogra_> mterry, he is right, we use poppler all over the place (even kubuntu does afaik)
[19:33] <mterry> I know, we're rather committed to poppler now
[19:33] <Robin_Watts> I guess evince could probably have mupdf added as a backend, but I haven't looked at the code to see how hard that is.
[19:33] <ogra_> though replacing it in the converged setup would mean to also replace it on the desktop
[19:33] <mterry> I imagine security team would not be excited about a new PDF parser
[19:33] <ogra_> yeah
[19:34] <ogra_> it would definitely have to go through a deep review
[19:35] <Robin_Watts> OK, thanks guys. I'll lurk here in case anyone comes up with any more thoughts etc.
[19:36] <tkamppeter> mterry, Robin_Watts, evince has also the problem to print with the awkward Cairo PDF.
[19:37] <tkamppeter> mterry, Robin_Watts, which invents transparency into all PDF files and slows down mobile devices and PostScript printers.
[19:37] <Robin_Watts> Cairo produced PDFs are horribly overcomplicated, generally, but mupdf copes well.
[19:37] <tkamppeter> mterry, Robin_Watts, this can also make someone think to replace evince.
[19:38] <tkamppeter> Robin_Watts, mterry, and I hope that nay new approach of a PDF reader would pass through the PDF for printing.
[19:40] <tkamppeter> Robin_Watts, if mupdf is able to flatten the Cairo bloat efficiently so that a cheap PostScript printer can print it, it would be a great RIP for any form factor of Ubuntu.
[19:41] <Robin_Watts> tkamppeter: Well, mupdf can certainly render to bitmap bands, and we can then wrap those bands into images in a postscript stream easily.
[19:42] <Robin_Watts> I'd like to think that most postscript printers can cope with printing simple images OK (and by banding we will avoid them being too huge for the printer)
[19:43] <tkamppeter> Robin_Watts, and once on MuPDF making a PostScript driver of this form you could put the same code into GS and so also solve the PostScript printer problem on desktop distros which stay with GS.
[19:44] <Robin_Watts> tkamppeter: Sure. AIUI, GS only has a problem with crap PS printers because it attempts to stay at the high level (i..e it sends text and paths and high level images), and these printers have hopelessly broken postscript.
[19:50] <ritz> seb128, thanks. I did not see this message in xsession error, will start apps from terminal to note these
[19:53] <tkamppeter> Robin_Watts, so I would even suggest that for sending PostScript to printers one could create a new PS output device (or an option for ps2write) that output is done in bitmap bands to have a more reliable mode for printers.
[19:54] <JanC> libpoppler uses plugins to implements different formats AFAIK
[19:55] <JanC> eh, Evince does
[19:55] <Robin_Watts> tkamppeter: That's certainly possible. We should take this discussion back to #ghostscript though, so others can chime in. :)
[20:03] <mterry> kenvandine, accounts-qml-module needs Pre-Depends: ${misc:Pre-Depends}
[20:03] <kenvandine> mterry, ok
[20:05] <seb128> re
[20:05] <seb128> kenvandine, back, still need me?
[20:05] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[20:06] <kenvandine> seb128, nope
[20:06] <kenvandine> :)
[20:06] <seb128> cool
[20:06] <seb128> kenvandine, how did you solve it?
[20:06] <kenvandine> just using a breaks
[20:06] <kenvandine> and no replaces
[20:06] <kenvandine> seems t dtrt
[20:06] <kenvandine> s/t/to
[20:06] <seb128> doesn't make any sense
[20:06] <seb128> replaces has no value in what apt does
[20:07] <kenvandine> with the replaces it was trying to remove the old packages
[20:07] <seb128> it just tell "it's ok to overwrite a file"
[20:07] <seb128> no
[20:07] <kenvandine> weird
[20:07] <seb128> that sounds wrong
[20:07] <kenvandine> dist-upgrade was trying to remove
[20:07] <tkamppeter> seb128, it was about the PDF renderer in Ubuntu touch, so I asked you as the evince guy, but they seem not to use evince there, the discussion is now on #ubuntu-touch and it looks like that MuPDF is a good candidate to make the race.
[20:07] <seb128> replaces shouldn't have any impact on the resolver
[20:07] <kenvandine> install unity-asset-pool seemed to do the right thing
[20:07] <seb128> kenvandine, how did you test the fix?
[20:07] <kenvandine> i dropped the deb in my local archive
[20:07] <kenvandine> and did a dist-upgrade
[20:08] <kenvandine> worked perfectly
[20:08] <kenvandine> it ordered the updates so the account plugins went first
[20:08] <seb128> tkamppeter, try asking tdsgeos otherwise, he works on ubuntu touch and is upstream for poppler
[20:09] <seb128> kenvandine, k, that still seems weird to me
[20:09] <seb128> kenvandine, your changelog is
[20:10] <seb128> "+  * debian/control
[20:10] <seb128> +    - Don't use a breaks, only replaces for the account-plugin-*
[20:10] <seb128> +      packages (LP: #1157747)"
[20:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157747 in unity-asset-pool (Ubuntu) "package unity-asset-pool 0.8.24daily12.12.05-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/facebook.png', which is also in package account-plugin-facebook 0.10bzr13.02.27-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157747
[20:10] <kenvandine> i know
[20:10] <kenvandine> i typed it wrong :)
[20:10] <seb128> hum
[20:10] <kenvandine> i changed it to use a breaks and no replaces
[20:10] <kenvandine> i fixed it for the MP
[20:11] <kenvandine> i confirmed the dist-upgrade behavior that ChrisTownsend had seen before
[20:12] <tkamppeter> seb128, thanks, tsdgeos already appeared on #ghostscript.
[20:12] <mterry> kenvandine, hmm, qml-friends is ftbfs due to a test failing it seems
[20:13] <mterry> dobey, I downloaded software-center 5.5.6 and the categories in the left of the main pane don't render...
[20:14] <mterry> hmm, maybe that's gtk 3.7
[20:14] <dobey> yeah
[20:14] <dobey> works here
[20:17] <robru> mterry, can you point me at the build failure log? I saw one earlier that was due to missing build deps, not sure if you're seeing the same one though
[20:18] <kenvandine> mterry, yeah i am looking now
[20:18] <seb128> kenvandine, #ubuntu-devel please
[20:18] <kenvandine> robru, it isn't the build deps
[20:18] <seb128> kenvandine, btw your mr for the asset pool should use UNRELEASED and not raring ;-)
[20:19] <mterry> robru, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/134763029/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-amd64.qml-friends_0.1.0bzr13.03.20-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:19] <robru> mterry, ooh, that's different
[20:19] <kenvandine> seb128, i had uploaded it
[20:19] <mterry> dobey, yup, downgraded to gtk/raring and it works
[20:19] <kenvandine> robru, one of the failures is the features test is failing
[20:20] <robru> kenvandine, remember how friends had an unhandled exception in the get_features method? I fixed that by returning an empty list there.
[20:21] <kenvandine> ChrisTownsend, ping
[20:21] <robru> kenvandine, so if you ask for the features of a protocol that doesn't exist, you get an empty list, stringified in json
[20:21] <ChrisTownsend> kenvandine: Hey
[20:21] <kenvandine> ChrisTownsend, can you get us some debug output for a dist-upgrade?
[20:21] <kenvandine> apt-get dist-upgrade -oDebug::pkgProblemResolver=1
[20:22] <ChrisTownsend> kenvandine: Sure, give me a sec
[20:22] <kenvandine> robru, it's returning an empty list...  but the plugin is installed
[20:23] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, can you join #ubuntu-devel as well? some of the people appropriate to debug that are on there
[20:23] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, thanks
[20:23] <robru> kenvandine, wait, you're running 'friends-dispatcher --test', right?
[20:23] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Sure
[20:23] <kenvandine> yes
[20:23] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, thanks
[20:24] <robru> kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632259/
[20:25] <robru> kenvandine, that's what runs in --test mode
[20:25] <kenvandine> yeah, i call it with an arg of "facebook" and get an empty result back!
[20:43] <ogra_> kenvandine, is that a bad thing ?
[20:57] <kenvandine> robru, ah ha!  it's timing related!
[20:57] <kenvandine> if i move the test_features to the end of my tests it passes
[20:57] <kenvandine> the other tests of the dispatcher are all async
[20:58] <kenvandine> maybe this is calling this sync method before the dispatcher is really ready?
[20:58] <kenvandine> although i would expect a dbus failure
[20:58] <kenvandine> not empty result
[21:06] <fginther> kenvandine, job update for qml-friends is ready (finally)
[21:08] <kenvandine> thx
[21:11] <robru> kenvandine, oh, weird.
[21:11] <kenvandine> robru, i'll have to try to fix it later... got fires to put out
[21:11] <kenvandine> and i need to leave soon
[21:16] <robru> ok
[22:01] <rickspencer3> hi kgunn, welcome to #ubuntu-desktop :)
[22:01] <kgunn> rickspencer3: hey
[22:01] <rickspencer3> kgunn, I have an oldish very low powered notebook
[22:02] <rickspencer3> it's getting some weird visual corruption in the transparency effects
[22:02]  * rickspencer3 gets bug
[22:02] <rickspencer3> kgunn, it's bug #1157987
[22:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157987 in unity (Ubuntu) "some transparency effects not displaying correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157987
[22:03] <rickspencer3> I logged it against Unity, but maybe it should be moved to compiz?
[22:03] <kgunn> rickspencer3: low powered as in low cpu? or low/no gpu ?
[22:04] <rickspencer3> kgunn, low powered in every measuer :)
[22:04] <rickspencer3> the gpu is Intel® IGD x86/MMX/SSE2
[22:04] <rickspencer3> thought you guys would want to take a look, and maybe move it to the right project if unity is incorrect
[22:05] <rickspencer3> I'm very happy to help the developers if they want to try to run down the problem
[22:05] <rickspencer3> (assuming the bug isn't a dupe, which it probably is because I am always late to the party ;) )
[22:06] <davidcalle> seb128, ping
[22:06] <seb128> davidcalle, hey
[22:07] <davidcalle> seb128, so, I've removed icons from unity-scope-* trunks. Is that the correct fix, since unity-asset-pool provides them?
[22:07] <seb128> rickspencer3, I guess it's a dup of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1154120 (nobody commented on that one either yet)
[22:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1154120 in unity "[raring] New reboot/restart dialog rendering issues" [Undecided,New]
[22:08] <seb128> davidcalle, yes, thanks about that
[22:08] <rickspencer3> seb128, could be, but my issue is throughout compiz
[22:08] <seb128> rickspencer3, well, screenshots seem similar
[22:08] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[22:09] <rickspencer3> seb128, yeah, it happens in the dash and in the alt-tab switcher too
[22:09] <davidcalle> seb128, ok. Thanks for acting on unity-asset-pool to avoid blocking people adding the PPA until the next build.
[22:10] <seb128> davidcalle, yw, sorry we landed that update before noticing the conflict
[22:10] <seb128> rickspencer3, when did that start?
[22:10] <rickspencer3> seb128, well ...
[22:10] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, weird
[22:10] <rickspencer3> tbh, about a couple of weeks ago :/
[22:10] <seb128> rickspencer3, looks like a nux issue to me
[22:10]  * rickspencer3 hides head in shame
[22:10] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: since when is happening that?
[22:11] <rickspencer3> it was happening to the dash for a while
[22:11] <seb128> rickspencer3, it helps to have issues reported when they start, makes easier to figure what changed could create it
[22:11] <rickspencer3> seb128, I know
[22:11] <rickspencer3> that's why
[22:11]  * rickspencer3 hides head in shame
[22:11] <seb128> anyway
[22:11] <davidcalle> seb128, np, you can't run every possible variants of the stack :)
[22:11] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: yeah, the code handling the bg is the same... So it's "normal" that both the views are affected
[22:11] <rickspencer3> I really started focusing on it when the new sweet shutdown window appeared
[22:11] <rickspencer3> it became more glaring
[22:12] <rickspencer3> Trevinho, if there is anything I can do to help you debug it, let me know
[22:12] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: ok... I'm just thinking what would help the most
[22:12] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: pressing super (i.e. the shortcut view) or switcher are affected too, right=
[22:12] <Trevinho> ?
[22:13] <olli> bregma ^
[22:13] <rickspencer3> Trevinho, yes, the dash and the alt-tab switcher
[22:15] <bschaefer> somewhat like this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1087534
[22:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1087534 in unity "[regression] Corrupted blurred overlays" [Critical,Confirmed]
[22:15] <bschaefer> at lease the non-bluring part (that texture is really messed up...)
[22:16] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: mh, it is for sure an interaction issue between nux and compiz (more than unity itself), it would be helpful to go back in revisions to see what changed it...
[22:16] <rickspencer3> bschaefer, that looks like my bug, but for me, I'd hardly call it Critical
[22:18] <bschaefer> rickspencer3, I think it being a regression, and omer is saying its a release blocker is making it Critical ...
[22:18] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[22:18] <rickspencer3> well, that's not up to me, so sure
[22:18] <rickspencer3> Trevinho, I'll be happy to run a ppa for you or whatever
[22:18] <rickspencer3> if it will help you track it down
[22:18] <rickspencer3> if you were in Seattle, I'd just give you this computer ;)
[22:19]  * bschaefer is in Seattle
[22:20] <rickspencer3> really?
[22:20]  * rickspencer3 saves to bschaefer
[22:20] <bschaefer> rickspencer3, yup, Renton to be more specific, born and raised :)
[22:20] <rickspencer3> ah
[22:21] <rickspencer3> bschaefer, I like in Bryant, which is east of the university district
[22:21] <bschaefer> rickspencer3, if it weren't for the traffic that would be pretty close!
[22:22] <rickspencer3> indeed
[22:22] <rickspencer3> bschaefer, we should get some coffee sometime!
[22:22] <rickspencer3> and if you want to get ahold of this computer to help Trevinho debug, let me know :)
[22:22] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: (and bschaefer at this point), I think we should try to revert unity to the revision we switched to the less-expensive blur
[22:23] <bschaefer> rickspencer3, that would be nice! Would be a good way to get ahold of the laptop to help Trevinho out
[22:23] <rickspencer3> well, this make me feel guilty :)
[22:23] <bschaefer> Trevinho, sounds good, though a lot of people complained about the less-expensive blur
[22:24]  * bschaefer thinks the blur texture is getting messed up though
[22:24] <rickspencer3> people don't like the less-expensive blur?
[22:24] <rickspencer3> jeez
[22:24] <bschaefer> haha, its not as crisp*
[22:24] <rickspencer3> I figured I just had a crappy gpu in this thing
[22:24] <bschaefer> looking at lease, I thought it was nice, instant opening of the dash
[22:24] <Trevinho> bschaefer: it should be basically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/3083
[22:24] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: can you try to revert this on your own btw http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/3083
[22:25] <kgunn> rickspencer3: sorry...my router decided to flip out...i wouldn't doubt if RAOF might have an instant reaction to that screen shot
[22:25] <bschaefer> Trevinho, thats not to bad, do you want me to push a branch that adds that back in?
[22:26] <rickspencer3> bschaefer, could I talk you into building that into a PPA that I could try?
[22:26] <bschaefer> rickspencer3, sure!
[22:26] <rickspencer3> that way I could "bisect" the problem a bit, right?
[22:26] <rickspencer3> hey kgunn, no worries
[22:26] <rickspencer3> I have a wonky router too :)
[22:27] <kgunn> rickspencer3: not familiar with the blur effects...but kinda looks like xdamage no likie whatever its doing
[22:28] <rickspencer3> kgunn, that's what I figured, but ...
[22:28] <rickspencer3> it never crashes and Trevinho thinks it's the change to their blur effect
[22:28] <rickspencer3> so, I put the bug in "unity" but sounds like it's in compiz and is a dupe anyway
[22:30] <Laney> popey: have you filed a bug for the shutdown dialog wording?
[22:31] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: that machine is not supporting GLES, right?
[22:31] <rickspencer3> Trevinho, sorry, I don't know how to answer that
[22:31] <rickspencer3> :/
[22:32] <rickspencer3> I could google the gpu I guess
[22:33] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: on google it doesn't seem to be the case... glxinfo |grep GL_ARB_ES2_compatibility
[22:33] <rickspencer3> uh
[22:34] <rickspencer3> Trevinho, the output is GL_ARB_ES2_compatibility, GL_ARB_debug_output,
[22:34] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: mh, so maybe it has that extension, but it's missing others for GLES... I need to look further into it, though
[22:35] <rickspencer3> ok, just let me know how I can help
[22:36] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: we setup a ppa with that change reverted, then we see if that change is the guilty one
[22:36] <rickspencer3> wow, nice
[22:36]  * bschaefer is working on the ppa
[22:37] <Trevinho> bschaefer: ah, cool ok, I was doing the same, but if you're already on I'll leave it to you
[22:37] <RAOF> rickspencer3: That's a very fetching shade of pink you've got there :)
[22:37] <rickspencer3> thanks bschaefer
[22:37] <jono> hey all
[22:37] <rickspencer3> RAOF, thank yo
[22:37] <jono> running the 100 scopes PPA
[22:37] <bschaefer> Trevinho, well Im missing some key thing, if you're already done then go for it :)
[22:38] <jono> but getting a Unity crash when using the dash
[22:38] <jono> seems to happen randomly
[22:38] <jono> and no crash dialog
[22:38] <jono> is there anything I can attach to a bug to help report this?
[22:38] <rickspencer3> seb128, ^ ?
[22:39] <rickspencer3> jono, is there anything in /var/crash ?
[22:39] <seb128> jono, what rickspencer3 said
[22:39] <rickspencer3> that's like the one thing I know
[22:39] <rickspencer3> lol
[22:39] <jono> I have unity-asset-pool.0.crash
[22:39] <jono> which has today's timestamp
[22:39] <rickspencer3> ding ding ding
[22:39] <seb128> rickspencer3, one useful thing though ;-)
[22:40] <jono> interestingly, ther eis an issue with that package install
[22:40] <jono> installing
[22:40] <seb128> jono, yeah, that's an upgrade issue
[22:40] <seb128> not what we are looking for
[22:40] <seb128> jono, can you pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors?
[22:41] <popey> Laney: which bit?
[22:41] <jono> seb128, see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5632627/ - it includes the issues I get with -f dist-upgrade and includes the xsession-errors
[22:42] <seb128> jono, so, yeah, upgrades with the ppa are broken, unfortunate conflicts with archive updates and ppa divergence
[22:42] <Laney> popey: er, I can't remember the wording
[22:42] <seb128> jono, can you confirm that apt-get -f install complains about the file conflict still?
[22:42] <popey> Laney: the wording isn't what I have a problem with, it's the buttons being the "wrong way round" and using the "wrong" icons
[22:43] <Laney> how it's "Are you sure?" but it's not a yes/no question
[22:43] <popey> oh
[22:43] <seb128> Laney, buttons the "wrong way around"?
[22:43] <Laney> didn't the order get changed in today's landing?
[22:43] <popey> someone filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1157927
[22:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157927 in unity "Shutdown dialog should have correct punctuation" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:43] <popey> seb128: I believe shutdown should be on the right in the shutdown dialog
[22:43] <seb128> Laney, right, today fixed the ordering
[22:43] <popey> ok
[22:43] <seb128> popey, that's the case with today's update?
[22:44] <jono> seb128, it does
[22:44] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: it should go into https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/+archive/unity-test soon, just waiting lp to do its work
[22:44] <rickspencer3> thanks Trevinho
[22:44] <popey> not updated yet seb128, will check
[22:44] <Laney> popey: yeah /me hijacks that one
[22:44] <seb128> jono, can you "wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-asset-pool/0.8.24daily13.03.20.1-0ubuntu4/+build/4385204/+files/unity-asset-pool_0.8.24daily13.03.20.1-0ubuntu4_all.deb" and dpkg -i the deb?
[22:44] <rickspencer3> just ping me when it's ready and I'll give it a whirl
[22:44] <seb128> jono, and tell me if it installs fine or still raise and error?
[22:45] <jono> seb128, sure, one sec
[22:45] <Trevinho> rickspencer3: yeah, not sure it will build until I'm awake.. :)
[22:45] <rickspencer3> Trevinho, ack, I'll keep my eye on it in that case
[22:45] <jono> seb128, installs fine
[22:45] <seb128> jono, \o/
[22:45] <jono> seb128, thanks :-)
[22:45] <seb128> jono, sudo apt-get -f install is happy?
[22:45] <jono> will see if there are more crashes
[22:46] <rickspencer3> seb128, do you think that was causing jono's crash?
[22:46] <seb128> rickspencer3, I doubt it, but I'm still glad I fixed the ppa/archive conflicts with that upload
[22:46] <rickspencer3> oh well
[22:46] <jono> seb128, yep, configured everything left fine
[22:46] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ btw, the update seems to work
[22:46] <rickspencer3> no easy answers
[22:46] <seb128> jono, thanks for confirming
[22:46] <jono> seb128, np
[22:46] <seb128> looking to your .xsession-errors
[22:47] <rickspencer3> hey huats
[22:47] <popey> seb128: yes, you're right, fixed
[22:48] <seb128> jono, it's weird, your log/the fact that you have no .crash suggest it's not hitting a bug but being restarted
[22:48] <popey> (correct order and shutdown highlighted by default)
[22:48] <seb128> popey, good
[22:48] <popey> \O/
[22:48] <jono> seb128, weird
[22:48] <seb128> jono, does it "crash"? or does it restart?
[22:48] <seb128> e.g are you left without unity?
[22:48] <seb128> or does it reload?
[22:48] <jono> seb128, it restarts
[22:48] <jono> it seems to crash and auto restart
[22:49] <jono> although in multi monitor I noticed that restarting unity sometimes doesnt restart
[22:49] <jono> cant test that here as I am only on my laptop right now
[22:49] <seb128> I wonder if you run "unity" through the dash in some way
[22:49] <seb128> is there any segfault listed in syslog?
[22:50] <seb128> grep compiz /var/log/syslog
[22:51] <jono> seb128, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5632649/
[22:51] <seb128> so, yeah, you hit segfaults
[22:51] <seb128> jono, what is in /var/log/apport.log?
[22:52] <jono> seb128, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5632654/
[22:53] <seb128> jono, sudo status apport?
[22:53] <jono> seb128, apport start/running
[22:53] <seb128> k, dunno why it doesn't catch to segfault :-(
[22:54] <seb128> jono, you know how to use gdb? ;-)
[22:54] <jono> seb128, nope
[22:54] <jono> I know how to follow instructions :-)
[22:55] <jono> although I don't have much time, I am supposed to be paying attention to a talk right now
[22:55] <jono> :-)
[22:55] <seb128> jono, I'm about to go, I will just list instruction, see if they make sense when you have time, otherwise ping me back again when you are up tomorrow
[22:55] <seb128> - go to a vt
[22:55] <jono> following now as you type
[22:55] <seb128> - sudo gdb -p $(pidof compiz)
[22:55] <seb128> (gdb) continue
[22:56] <seb128> go back to your session
[22:56] <seb128> when things freeze
[22:56] <seb128> go to the vt
[22:56] <seb128> and type on the gdb prompt
[22:56] <seb128> "set logging on"
[22:56] <seb128> "backtrace
[22:56] <seb128> (without the "")
[22:57] <seb128> that should give you the stacktace in a gdb.txt file
[22:57] <seb128> then exit from gdb, using ctrl-D or exit
[22:57] <seb128> open a bug with the file attached to it
[22:57] <seb128> bonus point if you install compiz-dbgsym unity-dbgsym
[22:57] <seb128> that increases the chances to have a debug stacktrace
[22:58] <jono_> seb128, sorry
[22:58] <jono_> I timed out
[22:58] <jono_> well
[22:58] <jono_> I typed the first command into a terminal and it hung my system
[22:58] <seb128> lol
[22:58] <jono_> can you repeat the commands?
[22:58] <popey> seb128: if you have to go, I can help jono
[22:59] <seb128> jono_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632674/
[22:59] <seb128> jono_, and yeah, the first command will hang compiz until you type "continue" in gdb
[22:59] <seb128> and hit enter to validate
[22:59] <jono_> seb128, it says it couldnt attach to the process
[22:59] <seb128> you used sudo?
[23:00] <seb128> if you have several users logging in, "ps aux |grep compiz" and use gdb -p <pid> where <pid> is the pid of the compiz process for your user
[23:00] <seb128> popey, yeah, I'm on my way out, please help jono if you can
[23:01] <seb128> jono_, otherwise ping me tomorrow when you get online and I will help you to get the infos
[23:01] <rickspencer3> popey, you were looking for drug violence and middle-aged goatees, right?
[23:01] <rickspencer3> now you have your wish
[23:01] <rickspencer3> zzzing
[23:01] <popey> haha
[23:02] <jono_> seb128, ok
[23:02] <jono_> so I typed continue
[23:02] <popey> and now you're back on your desktop and in your VT you have gdb running, right?
[23:02] <jono_> but when I set logging on nothing happens
[23:02] <jono_> popey, yep
[23:02] <popey> no, you dont need to do that yet
[23:02] <seb128> jono_, that's all good
[23:02] <popey> you need to wait for the freeze to happen
[23:02] <popey> or crash or whatever
[23:02] <jono_> oh I see
[23:02] <popey> then flip to the vt to capture the trace
[23:02] <jono_> I will now try to trigger
[23:02] <popey> which starts with turning on logging and then backtrace
[23:03] <seb128> jono_, when compiz hit the segfault your session will freeze, that's when you go to the vt and do the next steps
[23:03] <seb128> I see popey is on it
[23:03] <seb128> so I'm calling it a day
[23:03] <jono_> thank seb128, popey
[23:03] <seb128> night everyone
[23:03] <popey> nn
[23:03] <seb128> see you tomorrow ;-)
[23:03] <rickspencer3> bye seb128
[23:03] <popey> or "later today" as you probably call it in Europe :D
[23:05] <popey> jono_: what usually triggers the compiz blowout?
[23:08] <popey> jono: does that reconnect mean you triggered it?
[23:08] <jono> popey, no I had a full system hang
[23:08] <jono> had to reboot
[23:08] <popey> erk
[23:08] <jono> unfortunately I need to run in a sec
[23:09] <popey> ok. is your system up to date?
[23:09] <popey> (stupid question i know)
[23:09] <jono> popey, yup it is
[23:09] <jono> I dist-upgraded today
[23:09] <popey> humour me.. do you get package updates if you "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" (note the caret)?
[23:10] <jono> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[23:10] <jono>   im-switch python-uno unity-scope-home
[23:10] <jono> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[23:10] <jono>   im-config language-selector-gnome python3-uno ubuntu-desktop unity-lens-shopping
[23:10] <jono> popey, ^
[23:10] <popey> hmm
[23:10] <jono> should I intall those?
[23:10] <popey> i wouldn't remove unity-scope-home
[23:10] <popey> so no
[23:11] <jono> yeah
[23:11] <jono> gotta run
[23:11] <popey> the fact that you have ubuntu-desktop missing is noteworthy
[23:11] <jono> thanks, man
[23:11] <popey> kk
[23:35] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, hey, it's a reasonable time in .aus right?
[23:35] <RAOF> And even in .nz :)
[23:35] <robert_ancell> yep
[23:35] <rickspencer3> oops
[23:35] <rickspencer3> well, if it's reasonable for koala bears, it's reasonable for kiwis I suppose ;)
[23:35] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, sorry to bug you, but are you aware of bug #1128492
[23:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1128492 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "wallpaper not updating" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1128492
[23:36] <rickspencer3> not sure you're still the guy for that
[23:37] <robert_ancell> I'm not doing a lot of work on U-G at the moment, mterry is doing it
[23:37] <robert_ancell> but seb's comment sounds like a likely cause
[23:38] <rickspencer3> ug, I didn't see his comment asking for data
[23:42] <robru> any gvariant hackers here?
[23:49] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, so, I don't think it was what seb128 said
[23:49] <rickspencer3> I'll follow up with mterry tomorrow
[23:50] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, ok
[23:50] <rickspencer3> the greeter was using the old wall paper from my downloads folder
[23:59] <popey> rickspencer3: you using the experimental ppa?
[23:59] <popey> bug 1158021
[23:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1158021 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher tooltips don't disappear when dash is open" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158021
[23:59] <popey> bug 1158025
[23:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1158025 in Unity "Search term disappears sometimes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158025