[12:00] <jared> !rmb
[12:03] <jared> #startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
[12:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 20 12:03:21 2013 UTC.  The chair is jared. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[12:03] <jared> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for March 20, 2013. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:04] <jared> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[12:04] <jared> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[12:04] <jared> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:04] <jared> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:04] <jared> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[12:04] <amachu> jared: Hi
[12:04] <tvoss> jared, hi
[12:04] <jared> amachu: gday :)
[12:04] <airurando> hi jared
[12:05] <jared> #voters cjohnston Destine Pendulum jared
[12:05] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum cjohnston jared
[12:05] <jared> Ok, so looking at the page airurando is the first applicant off the ranks. While we read over your application page and wiki if you can please give us a brief introduction to yourself airurando that would be great.
[12:06] <airurando> Hi Everyone
[12:06] <jared> #subtopic airurando
[12:06] <airurando> My name is Mike O'Donohue and I am a very active member and administrator of the Ubuntu Ireland LoCo
[12:07] <airurando> my wiki page is located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mikeodonohue
[12:07] <airurando> I am a passionate advocate for ubuntu here in Ireland
[12:07] <airurando> I am heavily involved in the organisation of, and participation in, the majority of Ubuntu Events held here in Ireland
[12:07] <airurando> Over the past 9 months I have lead the effort to reboot the Irish LoCo in an effort to rekindle greater activity within the team
[12:07] <airurando> My daughter is way more famous than me in Ubuntu circles.  Orla was the community pick winner of the inaugural Ubuntu Women Project World Play Day Competition in 2010
[12:07] <airurando> I'm a microbiologist by trade
[12:08] <airurando> That's me in a nutshell.  I'm happy to take any questions you may have
[12:08] <jared> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie/
[12:08] <czajkowski> \o/
[12:08] <jared> For those people unsure how to get to the LoCo page to see involvement
[12:08]  * czajkowski is here to cheer for airurando 
[12:08] <ebel> me too
[12:08]  * tdr112 me too
[12:08] <zmoylan> and me
[12:08] <jared> Quite the cheer squad :)
[12:08] <czajkowski> \o/
[12:09] <airurando> thanks czajkowski, ebel, tdr112 and zmoylan
[12:09] <jared> airurando: well done reinvigorating a Loco, I know from experience that can be a challenging role
[12:09] <czajkowski> I'd just like to echo folks, airurando has been a great asset to the Ubuntu-IE community, always ready to lend a hand
[12:10] <ebel> aye, very passionate and hard working
[12:10] <airurando> thanks jared
[12:10] <zmoylan> you can always depend on airurando to turn up at every meeting or event
[12:10] <ebel> yeah, and he has often got much further to travel
[12:12] <ebel> he really makes an effort
[12:12] <jared> #vote airurando to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:12] <meetingology> Please vote on: airurando to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:12] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[12:12] <amachu> airurando: good job. but then why took so long for applying?
[12:12] <cjohnston> +1
[12:12] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[12:12] <Destine> +1 excellent on LoCo
[12:12] <meetingology> +1 excellent on LoCo received from Destine
[12:13] <airurando> amachu: not being technical I was hesitant
[12:13] <jared> +1 good work with the Loco, I hope you are able to continue the energy levels into the future
[12:13] <meetingology> +1 good work with the Loco, I hope you are able to continue the energy levels into the future received from jared
[12:13] <jared> #voters cjohnston Destine Pendulum jared hggdh
[12:13] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum cjohnston hggdh jared
[12:13] <Pendulum> +1 great work!
[12:13] <meetingology> +1 great work! received from Pendulum
[12:13] <jared> airurando: the hesitancy is common, but community support is just as valuable as technical support.
[12:13] <amachu> airurando: fine. may be at ubuntu-devel, it should have been the case
[12:14] <amachu> +1 great job and continuos.
[12:16] <hggdh> +1
[12:16] <meetingology> +1 received from hggdh
[12:16] <jared> #endvote
[12:16] <meetingology> Voting ended on: airurando to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:16] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[12:16] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:16] <czajkowski> yay
[12:17] <czajkowski> well done amachu
[12:17] <czajkowski> airurando:
[12:17] <airurando> Wow...thank you cjonston, Destine, jared, Pendulum, amachu and hggdh
[12:17] <jared> Congratulations airurando :) Well done and I look forward to hear how well you're doing into the future
[12:17] <tvoss> airurando, congratulations :)
[12:17] <airurando> this is amazing
[12:17] <airurando> thank you all so much
[12:17] <airurando> honoured
[12:17]  * czajkowski looks forward to getting airurando blog on planet :) 
[12:17] <tdr112> great news
[12:17] <tdr112> well done airurando
[12:17] <Destine> airurando, congrats!
[12:17] <airurando> thanks tvoss and good luck
[12:17] <hggdh> airurando: thank you
[12:17] <tvoss> airurando, thank you :)
[12:18] <zmoylan> congrats airurando
[12:18]  * airurando is delighted
[12:18] <airurando> thanks zmoylan
[12:19] <airurando> thanks tdr112
[12:19] <ebel> Congrats airurando
[12:19] <airurando> thanks ebel
[12:20] <jared> #subtopic tvoss
[12:20] <tvoss> Hi all
[12:21] <jared> Now we move on to the second application, if you can please give us a brief intro tvoss while we read over the application
[12:21] <tvoss> jared, sure :)
[12:21] <tvoss> again: Hi all
[12:21] <tvoss> My name is Thomas Voß and I have been using Ubuntu since the 4.10 days
[12:21] <jared> #voters cjohnston Destine Pendulum jared hggdh amachu
[12:21] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum amachu cjohnston hggdh jared
[12:22] <tvoss> however, before joining Canonical around 11.10, I mostly used Ubuntu and advertised it to friends, family and co-workers.
[12:23] <tvoss> When joining Canonical, I spent my first few weeks on ramping up the QA efforts around Ubuntu in preparation for 12.04. I then focused on teaching Chromium pixel perfect scrolling
[12:24] <tvoss> before starting to work on the Ubuntu Touch project. There, I designed and implemented the platform abstraction layer that allows us to selectively reuse certain Android drivers and services.
[12:24] <jared> tvoss: Just out of curiosity, how long have you been involved in the Touch project?
[12:25]  * k1l cheers up for tvoss \o/
[12:25] <tvoss> jared, in the Ubuntu Touch project (as in mobile)? From the very beginning
[12:25]  * ogra_ joins k1l and pulls out his pompoms
[12:25] <jared> tvoss: cool, just never sure as projects that new it's hard to judge looking at launchpad team membership join dates.
[12:25] <hggdh> hi ogra_ :-)
[12:25] <cjohnston> What's Mir?
[12:25] <ogra_> (to cold here for a miniskirt, so bear with me :) )
[12:26] <tvoss> cjohnston, Mir is a next-generation display server
[12:26] <ogra_> cjohnston, the systemd of display servers ;)
[12:26] <tvoss> right now, I'm working as a technical architect at Canonical, focussing on unity and mir, working towards a cross-formfactor future
[12:26] <tvoss> k1l, ogra_ thanks :)
[12:27] <tvoss> and that's pretty much me
[12:27] <hggdh> tvoss: please give us a bit, discussing it
[12:27] <jared> tvoss: I like the inclusiveness of your goals.
[12:27] <tvoss> hggdh, sure :)
[12:28] <tvoss> jared, thank you
[12:29] <jared> #vote tvoss to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: tvoss to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[12:29] <cjohnston> +1 to the moon!
[12:29] <meetingology> +1 to the moon! received from cjohnston
[12:29] <Pendulum> +1
[12:29] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[12:29] <Destine> +1
[12:29] <meetingology> +1 received from Destine
[12:29] <hggdh> +1 even with ogra cheering ;-)
[12:29] <meetingology> +1 even with ogra cheering ;-) received from hggdh
[12:29] <ogra_> hahaha
[12:29] <cjohnston> poor ogra_
[12:29] <hggdh> :-)
[12:29] <tvoss> cjohnston, thank you :)
[12:29] <jared> +1 awesome work and glad to see such impressive goals.
[12:29] <meetingology> +1 awesome work and glad to see such impressive goals. received from jared
[12:29] <cjohnston> no respect ogra_, no respect..
[12:29]  * tvoss hugs ogra_ for cheering
[12:30]  * ogra_ hugs tvoss 
[12:30]  * hggdh hugs ogra_, and wonder when paths will again cross
[12:30] <amachu> +1 and wish mir comes out really good
[12:30] <meetingology> +1 and wish mir comes out really good received from amachu
[12:30] <jared> #endvote
[12:30] <meetingology> Voting ended on: tvoss to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:30] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[12:30] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:30] <ogra_> hggdh, next physical UDS ... i'm sure there will be one again ... one day
[12:31] <jared> Congratulations tvoss, I look forward to hearing all about Mir in the coming months.
[12:31] <airurando> congrats tvoss
[12:31] <hggdh> tvoss: welcome!
[12:31] <tvoss> thank you all :) to those cheering and to those voting :)
[12:31] <tvoss> jared, thank you
[12:31] <ogra_> hggdh, after tvoss made us all famous :)
[12:31] <hggdh> LOL
[12:31] <jared> tvoss: well prepared application to, makes life very easy for us.
[12:31] <k1l> congrats tvoss and airurando
[12:31] <tvoss> ogra_, no pressure :)
[12:31] <Pendulum> tvoss: congrats :)
[12:31] <Destine> +1 on the physical uds!
[12:31] <tvoss> jared, thank you, dholbach helped a lot :)
[12:31] <tvoss> airurando, thank you :)
[12:32]  * tvoss feels honoured, too
[12:32] <airurando> great line tvoss:  thank you all :) to those cheering and to those voting :)  (i reiterate it)
[12:32] <dholbach> congratulations tvoss!
[12:33]  * tvoss hugs dholbach ... thank you
[12:33]  * dholbach hugs you all back :)
[12:33] <jared> Nice to see such a variety in applicants tonight, goes to show there are many ways of contributing.
[12:33] <jared> #endmeeting
[12:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 20 12:33:58 2013 UTC.
[12:33] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-20-12.03.moin.txt
[12:33] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-20-12.03.html
[12:34] <jared> Just for the sake of the logs the meeting is close, happy to discuss other issues if wanted :)
[12:35]  * hggdh gets off to new office
[12:36] <jared> hggdh: shiny
[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:01] <jodh> o/
[15:01] <ev> hi
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 20 15:02:04 2013 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:05] <slangasek> xnox slangasek stokachu ogra jodh doko barry bdmurray cjwatson stgraber ev
[15:05] <ev> win!
[15:05] <xnox> win!
[15:05] <ev> hah
[15:05] <ogra_> pfft
[15:06] <ogra_> ots cold at the edge :)
[15:06] <ogra_> *its
[15:06] <xnox> * mobile packaging followed up, good progress, but not merged yet.
[15:06] <xnox> * carry over from last week: please remove guile1.6 bug #1154491
[15:06] <xnox> * u1 ubiquity plugin FFe not granted, left in the branch
[15:06] <xnox>   lp:~xnox/ubiquity/main-u1
[15:06] <xnox> * waiting on dinstall, to sync boost1.53 into raring/universe to
[15:06] <xnox>   replace boost1.50. Will help with transitioning to it in S.
[15:06] <xnox> * Uploaded ubiquity fixing a few UI / usability bugs targetted for
[15:06] <xnox>   raring.
[15:06] <xnox> * Helped design team to create and land ubiquity-slideshow changes for
[15:06] <xnox>   raring.
[15:06] <xnox> * upstart file bridge code review.
[15:06] <xnox> * Followed up questions on:
[15:06] <xnox>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades/Mobile
[15:06] <xnox> * Still have two high installer bugs to fix in release tracking
[15:06] <xnox> * PSU RMA'ed, new PSU arrives on monday, hopefully I'll have my
[15:06] <xnox>   machine all working then.
[15:06] <xnox> ..
[15:07] <slangasek>  * FFe wrangling
[15:07] <slangasek>  * SRU processing of maas
[15:07] <slangasek>  * work with pitti on initramfs-tools regression caused by libudev transition (bug #1154813)
[15:07] <slangasek>  * work on dropping obsolete armadaxp images from the archive
[15:07] <slangasek>  * discussions about how to support Panda boards going forward in light of no upstream 3d driver support
[15:07] <slangasek>  * upstart MP reviews
[15:07] <slangasek>  * discussion on bug #967229; had a flash of insight about a possible useful upstart core event, proposed on the mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/upstart-devel/2013-March/002428.html
[15:08] <slangasek> (done)
[15:08] <stokachu> (my bugs)
[15:08] <ogra_> do we have a final decision for the pandas ?
[15:08] <stokachu> bug 778627 - uploaded, waiting on sru approval
[15:08] <stokachu> bug 1121874 - test package built, waiting for testing from interested parties
[15:08] <stokachu> bug 1013798 - need to take a look at latest upstream work and hopefully get a sru built by end of week.
[15:08] <stokachu> (other reported bug tasks)
[15:08] <stokachu> bug 1109327 - infinity is assigned, however, chris arges is offering his assistance in getting debdiffs written up and attached.
[15:08] <stokachu> bug 982961 - someone marked this fix released pre-maturely, assignee is curious if this messes up any pre-existing workflow. I verified that precise was tested in comment #22 and applied tags properly, will this still be picked up by the janitor bot?
[15:08] <stokachu> bug 1023069 - Needs sponsor/approval
[15:08] <stokachu> bug 1057358 - Needs approval
[15:08] <stokachu> bug 1130097 - Looks like it was sponsored but it doesnt look like it was uploaded yet
[15:08] <stokachu> preparing for seg sprint next week
[15:08] <stokachu> - Worked with arges in developing/deploying latest seg dashboard
[15:08] <stokachu> - New project for integrating salesforce accounts, cases, etc with seg dash and bridging relevant launchpad.net data (https://github.com/debugmonkey/python-salesforce)
[15:08] <stokachu> misc:
[15:08] <stokachu> - been working on a perl launchpad authorization/client library, purely research and experimentation.(https://github.com/battlemidget/Net-OAuth-LP)
[15:08] <stokachu> (done)
[15:08] <slangasek> ogra_: nothing "final", but we think we're keeping the builds in raring
[15:08] <ogra_> done:
[15:08] <ogra_>  * added changelog syncing to phablet images sync script
[15:08] <ogra_>  * pulled android-x86 source down from 01.org to start building x86 emulator images (took only three days to download :P )
[15:08] <ogra_>  * set up seed and ubuntu-touch-meta for starting to build raring ubuntu-touch images
[15:08] <ogra_>    (seed is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring)
[15:08] <ogra_>  * ubuntu-touch and convergence power-mgmt discussion
[15:08] <ogra_>  * meetings about raring ubuntu-touch builds
[15:08] <ogra_> todo:
[15:08] <ogra_>  * start wildly poking around in android-x86 until it is stripped down enough to us as a base for ubuntu-touch qemu emulation
[15:09] <ogra_>  * start on the x86 buildd for git android image builds work
[15:09] <ogra_>  * move nexus7 desktop images to pxz (do we still want that or will that image just go away in the near future ?)
[15:09] <ogra_> ..
[15:09] <ogra_> slangasek, ok
[15:09] <ogra_> ppisati, ^^^ :)
[15:11] <jodh> - blueprints:
[15:11] <jodh>   - foundations-r-upstart-roadmap: no progress.
[15:11] <jodh>   - foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements:
[15:11] <jodh>     - Created FFE for upstart (bug 1155205)
[15:11] <ogra_> (.. meant done btw)
[15:11] <jodh>     - Added apport hook for Upstart.
[15:11] <jodh>     - Raised MP for lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/upstart-monitor GUI/CLI tool
[15:11] <jodh>       (awaiting review - hint, hint all upstart devs :-).
[15:11] <jodh>     - Tweaks to upstart-file-bridge (now in trunk).
[15:11] <ppisati> slangasek: you mean desktop or server? because we don't have the pvr-omap driver wrt 3.8
[15:11] <jodh>     - Good progress on libtestupstart.py (required for new DEP-8 tests).
[15:11] <jodh>     - Raised MP on gnome-session to emit 'desktop' events for
[15:11] <jodh>       users jobs that will ensure a fully operational desktop
[15:11] <slangasek> ppisati: desktop
[15:11] <jodh>       environment.
[15:11] <ogra_> ppisati, desktop with 3.5
[15:11] <jodh>     - Blog post on Upstart Sessions in Raring (in progress).
[15:11] <jodh> - boot:
[15:11] <jodh>   - Uploaded libnih 1.0.3-4ubuntu16.
[15:11] <jodh>   - Wrote an apport hook for mountall.
[15:11] <jodh>   - Investigating bug 1154040.
[15:11] <jodh>   - Raised bug 1157713 after identifying the failure cause.
[15:12] <jodh> - misc:
[15:12] <jodh>   - Appraisal stuff (ongoing).
[15:12] <jodh>   - Sprint prep. admin.
[15:12] <jodh> - TODO:
[15:12] <jodh>   - look at steves quiesced event and respond.
[15:12] <jodh>   - Upstart FFE work.
[15:12] <slangasek> ppisati: I talked to ogasawara, the tentative plan is to just carry the quantal kernel in raring with no additional work on it
[15:12] <jodh>   -
[15:12] <jodh> Ĵ
[15:12] <jodh>  
[15:12] <jodh> (ignore the last dash :-)
[15:14] <bdmurray> I don't think doko or barry are around so I'll start
[15:14] <bdmurray> modified bug-bot to comment on SRU bugs that may have a regression in the -proposed version of the package
[15:14] <xnox> stokachu:  http://pad.lv/1023069 does this need sponsoring an upload, or just publishing in -proposed by SRU team?
[15:14] <bdmurray> wrote a unit test for rate of crashes for errors
[15:14] <bdmurray> investigation into failed to retrace crashes on errors
[15:14] <bdmurray> set up postgres / oauth in lxc version of errors
[15:14] <bdmurray> updated 000-default in errors charm to have the right paths
[15:14] <bdmurray> errors: modified package crash rate to take into account hours passed in the day
[15:14] <bdmurray> errors: modified package crash rate to use standard deviation
[15:14] <slangasek> ogra_: nexus7 pxz>  I don't remember this ever being a requirement at all?  There was concern about reducing the download size of images that would need to be deployed OTA, and xz was the solution there, so maybe this is useful as general build infrastructure work - but I don't know that we care about it for the n7 desktop image specifically
[15:14] <bdmurray> worked on a filter for home page based on the logged in user
[15:14] <bdmurray> resolved an issue with add_teams in errors and not committing data to the database
[15:14] <bdmurray> code reviews for evan
[15:14] <bdmurray> merged / improved fix for update-notifier bug 887650
[15:14] <bdmurray> test case creation for session-installer bug 1056545
[15:14] <bdmurray> merge proposal for lightdm partial fix for bug 967229
[15:14] <bdmurray> done
[15:15] <cjwatson> Image building:
[15:15] <cjwatson>  Set gfxboot default language to zh_CN for UbuntuKylin, and add a suitable background image.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  (spec:foundations-r-future-release-infrastructure) More cdimage Python rewriting.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  Finally killed off private branch of cdimage, so the whole thing is now open-source again at last.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  81 commits to lp:ubuntu-cdimage in the last week ...
[15:15] <cjwatson>  (spec:foundations-1303-cdimage-android-builds) Got IS to poke a firewall hole from PS Jenkins to nusakan:ssh.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  (spec:foundations-1303-cdimage-android-builds) Set up "pending" symlink (OMG the bikeshed) and started to work with QA on figuring out how to get Jenkins to update "current".
[15:15] <cjwatson> +1 maintenance:
[15:15] <cjwatson>  Fixed unresolvable dep-wait in bsdmainutils.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  Fixed tarantool build failure (over-optimistic assembly on i386).
[15:15] <cjwatson>  Fixed various autopkgtest failures (ubiquity, software-properties, aptdaemon)
[15:15] <cjwatson>  Fixed ruby-ffi build failure: this involved multiarching Tk and fixing multiple problems in ruby1.8.
[15:15] <cjwatson>  Fixed slof build failure, using a cross-compiler.
[15:16] <cjwatson>  Poked a bit at the Haskell transition, although a lot of it is beyond me.
[15:16] <cjwatson>  Resolved an ambiguous Recommends in libpackagekit-glib2-14 which caused component-mismatches output to differ with germinate >= 2.6.
[15:16] <cjwatson> Misc:
[15:16] <cjwatson>  Fixed bug 1130284 (applied LibreOffice's patch to fix crash on rendering incremental Malayalam text input).
[15:16] <cjwatson>  Fixed bug 869825 (confusing Swiss keyboard layout descriptions).
[15:16] <stokachu> xnox: looks like it needs both
[15:16] <cjwatson> ..
[15:16] <ogra_> slangasek, it was a requirement for being able to re-pack the images on the fly before downloading so you can install on something else than the 8G model ... the sparse file overheaed make_ext4fs adds gets to big for flashing if the tarball doesnt get smaller
[15:16] <ogra_> s/downloading/flashing/
[15:16] <xnox> stokachu: ack.
[15:17] <stgraber> Feature work:
[15:17] <stgraber>  - Upstart (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements)
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Pushed user jobs to dbus, gnome-session and gnome-settings-daemon. Now in the archive.
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Prepared test version of gnome-session with desktop-start/desktop-end events. Will upload later today.
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Started looking into our default Xsession scripts that need porting to upstart.
[15:17] <stgraber>  - Container (BLUEPRINT: servercloud-r-lxc)
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Usual code review.
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Roadmap for 1.0 and Linux Plumbers planning.
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Release 0.9~rc1, got an FFe and uploaded to raring. 0.9 final is expected in 2-3 weeks and will be bugfix only so I'm going to try to get it in 13.04.
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Some LXC/Android debugging.
[15:17] <stgraber>  - Networking (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-networking)
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Added an extra patch to isc-dhcp to fix a MAAS bug where clients would get two IP addresses assigned to them.
[15:17] <stgraber>  - Mobile Networking (BLUEPRINT: client-1303-converged-network-stack)
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Activated the new SIM cards to test dual-stack 3G (multiple PDP contexts)
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Requested hardware to test ofono/Android integration
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Rebased early NM+ofono patch on current NM, sent to cyphermox for debugging/testing
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Attended G+ Hangout for networking QA
[15:17] <stgraber>  - Mobile updates (BLUEPRINT: foundations-1303-single-image-update)
[15:17] <stgraber>   - Had several interesting discussions with various people
[15:18] <stgraber>   - Updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades/Mobile to better reflect the way our current builds work
[15:18] <stgraber>   - Some more scheduled discussions to discuss apps/local-packages and try to get a clearer picture of the whole thing before I start prototyping it
[15:18] <stgraber> Other work:
[15:18] <stgraber>  - Spent most of Thursday getting the Beta 1 out, pretty much everyone but Ubuntu Desktop and Server participated
[15:18] <stgraber>  - Fixed lintian upgrade issue (caused by a recent lintian being uploaded to quantal's extra repository a while back)
[15:18] <stgraber>  - Prepared the Technical Board discussion on our release changes by re-reading all the various threads (quite a lot of e-mails ;))
[15:18] <stgraber> Other time spent:
[15:18] <stgraber>  - Spent half a day on the phone with airlines/travel agencies to get some flights changed and some others booked, anyway, I should now be pretty much ready for April/May :)
[15:18] <stgraber>  - Peer reviews
[15:18] <stgraber> TODO:
[15:18] <stgraber>  - Continue planning the mobile update process and implement a prototype (need to reflash my Nexus7)
[15:18] <stgraber>  - Upstart user jobs work (porting remaining Xsession, adding desktop-{start|end} event)
[15:18] <stgraber>  - ifupdown SRU to quantal and precise
[15:18] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:20] <slangasek> ogra_: ok.  I think fixing that for the n7 desktop image is a low priority, the priority is to get images for the n7 building for touch with as much of the stack as possible coming from the raring archive
[15:20]  * ogra_ puts on a life vest ... being prepared for the flood
[15:21] <ogra_> slangasek, yeah thought so
[15:21] <ev> sorry, got pulled into #webops
[15:21] <ev> - Brought the design of https://errors.ubuntu.com in line with other
[15:21] <ev>   *.ubuntu.com *.canonical.com properties. The tables should be much easier to
[15:21] <ev>   read. The pages look a lot less busy.
[15:21] <ev>   - Work in progress: http://ubuntuone.com/0xSR2uux0f40gn1sjvYHeY
[15:21] <ev>   - Redesigned the legend and navigation (to hell with qa.ubuntu.com) based on
[15:22] <ev>     Matthew's mockup:
[15:22] <slangasek> that's ok, but your time's up now so you'll have to only paste half
[15:22] <ev>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=site-front-page.png
[15:22] <ev>   - Implemented Emily's suggestion for grouping the x-axis months and dates
[15:22] <ev>     into boxes over the weekend, with a lot more learning of d3.js along the
[15:22] <ev>     way. Unfortuantely this doesn't look right so we're back to the drawing
[15:22] <ev>     board.
[15:22] <ogra_> haha
[15:22] <ev> haha, you wish
[15:22] <ev> - You can now log in to https://errors.ubuntu.com from the front page. Thanks
[15:22] <ev>   to changes from Brian, the default view is packages you're subscribed to.
[15:22] <ev>   This was also needed to make getting at the 'create' not require first going
[15:22] <ev>   to a bucket or instance page.
[15:22] <ev> - Debugging Swift with jjo.
[15:22] <ev> - We're now 100% on Swift. NFS is dead \o/. We now also do Random Early Drop on
[15:22] <ev>   the core submission Apache frontends.
[15:22] <ev> - Made big improvements to the logging system for the retracers. With this and
[15:22] <ev>   the above change, core submission should be much more reliable and quick to
[15:22] <ev>   fix problems in.
[15:22] <ev> - Fixed some issues in error submission as found in the OOPS reports on:
[15:22] <ev>   https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops-local
[15:22] <ev> - Implemented the first phase of weighting the average errors per calendar day
[15:22] <ev>   (bug 1077122, RT 60205). Found a way to make the back population idempotent.
[15:22] <ev>   Woo. Blocked on webops.
[15:22] <ev> - Investigation into sending package installations and removals to a separate
[15:22] <ev>   service from daisy.ubuntu.com to better inform the "rate of crashes changes"
[15:22] <ev>   portion of phased updates. Discussion with Tom and James Troup, then Steve
[15:22] <ev>   and Brian. Tabled for the first cut of phased updates. It's a relatively
[15:22] <ev>   straightforward service to implement (save idempotent counters in a
[15:22] <ev>   distributed database being an unsolved problem in open source code), but
[15:22] <ev>   we're going to try to model our way out of this.
[15:22] <ev> - Started building the new BucketVersions (sorry about the dates, my clock was
[15:22] <ev>   off by some distance) and found a way forward with our usage of counters.
[15:22] <ev>   Counters will be used as the quick but rough calculation, repaired nightly by
[15:22] <ev>   reading from wide rows. This will also make this sort of back-population a
[15:22] <ev>   lot easier:
[15:22] <ev>   http://code.launchpad.net/~ev/oops-repository/bucket-versions
[15:22] <ev> - Code reviews for Brian.
[15:22] <ev> - Fixes to our juju charms to match recent changes to lp:daisy and lp:errors.
[15:23] <ev>   We're finally moving services into prodstack, now that the core file storage
[15:23] <ev>   is on Swift!
[15:23] <ev> Other:
[15:23] <ev> - Google Anayltics statistics are making me sad. I need to send an internal
[15:23] <ev>   mail to get more developers using it. Blocked on opening it up to the wider
[15:23] <ev>   Ubuntu developer audience (hi slangasek ;)).
[15:23] <ev> (done!)
[15:23] <ogra_> wow
[15:23] <ogra_> if you would drop some linewraps you could be as short as stgraber
[15:24] <ogra_> (hmm, that did come out wrong)
[15:24]  * slangasek raises an eyebrow
[15:24] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:24] <ogra_> i meant the text ... only the text !
[15:25] <stgraber> ogra_: ;)
[15:25] <stgraber> ogra_: I was wondering if infinity had some bad influence on you lately ;)
[15:25] <ogra_> hah
[15:25] <infinity> *cough*
[15:25] <ogra_> he definitely always has
[15:25]  * hyperair notes that line breaks make you taller.
[15:26] <ev> ogra_: don't go acting like keybuk and claim that the 80 character rule is stupid: https://twitter.com/keybuk/status/311278639150944256
[15:26] <ev> I hate wrapped text.
[15:26] <ev> with a passion.
[15:26] <ev> err unwrapped
[15:27]  * ogra_ has a 5760x1080 screen here ... needs quite big fonts to make 80 chars fit the width 
[15:27] <cjwatson> wide lines are for people who don't have enough side-by-side terminals
[15:27] <cjwatson> (or vertically-split vim buffers)
[15:27] <slangasek> does your IRC client not wrap it for you/
[15:27] <slangasek> my IRC window is not 80 characters wide :P
[15:27] <ogra_> it would if the line would even reach the side
[15:28] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:28] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:28] <ev> slangasek: textual, so no
[15:28] <bdmurray> bug 670096 came from the oem team
[15:28] <ev> cjwatson: agreed
[15:28] <slangasek> ev: ...
[15:29] <stgraber> ev: that reminds me I need to copy my vimrc over to my shell machine. Expect more wrapping to 80chars after that ;)
[15:29] <bdmurray> its just assigned to me for notification purposes
[15:29] <slangasek> ev: I assure you, irssi which is textual knows how to wrap long lines for you and the result looks much better here than manual line breaks at 80 ;)
[15:29] <slangasek> quick, let's turn this into a spaces-vs-tabs flamewar
[15:30] <ogra_> LOL
[15:30] <xnox> bdmurray: hmm... that bug above sounds like something for stgraber to poke, given the lupin/casper references.
[15:30] <slangasek> 670096> er, so I guess they will want that fixed for the next point release
[15:30] <stgraber> I wonder whether we can find any relation between spaces-vs-tabs and vim-vs-emacs ;)
[15:31] <ev> slangasek: I grew tired of typing /win 3497049302843208342 (http://www.codeux.com/textual/)
[15:32]  * xnox have you voted in the "text editor madness" cup yet?
[15:32] <xnox> https://www.rackspace.com/blog/text-editor-madness-bracket-vote-for-your-favorite/
[15:33] <slangasek> stgraber, cjwatson: looks to me like bug #670096 should actually be fixed in grub2, as it's a filesystem scan bug?
[15:33] <stgraber> bdmurray: sounds like my kind of bug. Though as I mentioned on the call, my ability to run VMs is rather minimal at the moment so I could take a look at it but only once I get my laptop back
[15:33] <slangasek> er, oh, this runs in the initramfs, not in grub
[15:34] <slangasek> bdmurray: please assign to stgraber for follow-up
[15:34] <slangasek> next?
[15:34] <bdmurray> it loks like bug 1093055 needs a fix in precise
[15:34] <cjwatson> bullet dodged
[15:34] <stgraber> slangasek: looks like a bug with one of the fs scan casper does in the initramfs. I know we explicitly scan for swap and for cdrom drives, I'm guessing one of the two is the source of the problem. But I'd need to be able to reproduce it to look at it
[15:34]  * slangasek nods
[15:35] <cjwatson> stgraber: lupin's a casper add-on, in this case - the original analysis doesn't look too implausible
[15:36] <slangasek> bdmurray: looks to be only relevant for an SRU of gcc-4.6; why is this bug a priority?
[15:36] <cjwatson> gcc-4.6 - I suspect that'd be backed up behind the thread in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2013-March/002265.html
[15:36] <slangasek> yep
[15:38] <stgraber> cjwatson: there's that proposed commit: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ossug-hychen/ubuntu/precise/lupin/fix-670096/revision/190?start_revid=190 but I'd need to look into all the possible consequences (in general, not panicing on unknown fs sounds like a good plan)
[15:39] <cjwatson> Yeah, indeed check the control flow since I expect it's non-obvious
[15:39] <bdmurray> ah, okay moving on then
[15:39] <bdmurray> there are a couple of wubi bugs
[15:39] <bdmurray> bug 1155704
[15:40] <bdmurray> and bug 1134770
[15:41] <slangasek> hmm
[15:41] <slangasek> it may be best to address this by not releasing wubi with 13.04, if it's not currently in good shape
[15:42] <bdmurray> more generally there is bug 1078959
[15:43] <slangasek> not sure I agree with the thrust of that
[15:44] <slangasek> yes, ntfs corruption could nuke your whole Ubuntu install, but why is that a likely outcome?
[15:45] <cjwatson> it was more of a problem before we spent lots of effort on making sure we always unmounted cleanly, I think
[15:45] <xnox> wubi doesn't work with windows8 quick hibernation, and no work is done on making wubi installer disabled that or work with it somehow.
[15:46] <slangasek> cjwatson: do you want to follow up on that bug to clarify?
[15:46] <slangasek> xnox: right
[15:46] <slangasek> and Wubi is obviously not relevant to phones and tablets
[15:46] <ev> :(
[15:46] <ev> end of an era
[15:46] <slangasek> we should be downplaying Wubi as an install option, rather than investing effort into fixing it
[15:46] <slangasek> ev: bug #1 is fixed
[15:47] <slangasek> (launchpad lies ;)
[15:47] <ev> hahaha, indeed it is
[15:47] <cjwatson> I don't want to blow off bcbc as he's pretty much the top user supporting wubi
[15:47] <ev> thanks Apple (and Google)
[15:47] <xnox> realisticly i don't see it fixed in less than a month, fully validated, qa'ed, uploaded, signed, published, with Freeze exceptions granted....
[15:47] <bdmurray> one of hte the forum links was about a 12.10 but the others were about 11.04 and 11.10
[15:47] <slangasek> cjwatson: well - could you follow up in a non-blowing-off manner then? :)
[15:48] <xnox> slangasek: note that valve / steam advertise wubi as a way to try ubuntu/steam on linux.
[15:48] <cjwatson> slangasek: heh.  done
[15:48] <slangasek> cjwatson: ta
[15:48] <slangasek> xnox: yes, we've communicated to Valve that this is not something we're
[15:48] <slangasek> - able to support them in
[15:49] <slangasek> well, I should say, I've communicated to the business folks that this is the case
[15:49] <xnox> ack.
[15:49] <slangasek> maybe they're telling Valve something entirely different ;P
[15:50] <slangasek> bdmurray: anything else?
[15:50]  * xnox emacs tetris is cross-platform surely that's enough gaming for everyone.
[15:50] <bdmurray> slangasek: no, how will we go about downplaying wubi as an install option.
[15:51] <slangasek> bdmurray: where is it advertised currently?
[15:51] <cjwatson> ev: remind me where the wubi log goes for diskimage installs - is it in the windows temp directory?
[15:51] <slangasek> I think we should not release wubi at all with 13.04, not include it in the release announcement, and preferably drop any links from the main download page
[15:52] <bdmurray> I guess I'll look into where wubi is advertised.
[15:52] <xnox> slangasek: drop it from the ubuntu.com or make it a page that one cannot get to via site map?!
[15:52] <xnox> http://www.ubuntu.com/download "checkout windows installer" just below desktop is wubi
[15:52] <slangasek> xnox: it may be something we want to keep wrt past releases, I'm not sure
[15:53] <xnox> which takes one to wubi mini-site: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer
[15:53] <slangasek> ah, indeed
[15:53] <cjwatson> it's a bit less prominent than it was
[15:53] <cjwatson> I think it used to be at the top
[15:53] <xnox> that later page already has windows8 /uefi warning.
[15:53] <slangasek> so either we should lose that link from http://www.ubuntu.com/download, or we should make sure 13.04 doesn't get added to the release list
[15:54] <slangasek> xnox: warning about Windows 8 because of SB, not because of quick hibernation
[15:54] <stgraber> slangasek: would we still build the wubi diskimage for 13.04 then or drop them too?
[15:54] <slangasek> stgraber: drop
[15:54] <infinity> +1 to that.
[15:54] <stgraber> slangasek: ok, I'll update the manifest then
[15:55] <stgraber> and we can probably turn off the cronjobs too
[15:55] <slangasek> bdmurray: you're following up on the website side?
[15:55] <cjwatson> seems worth some kind of announcement though!
[15:55] <slangasek> yes
[15:55] <slangasek> stgraber: can you announce it on ubuntu-devel before you go shutting it off?
[15:55]  * infinity nominates slangasek for the announcement, since he feels so strongly.
[15:55] <slangasek> :)
[15:55] <slangasek> ok, I'll announce
[15:56] <slangasek> stgraber: can you wait for my announcement before shutting things off? ;)
[15:56] <stgraber> I'll do the cdimage/manifest changes post-announcement
[15:56] <bdmurray> I'll take care of the website bits
[15:56] <stokachu> could someone let me know if any of the bugs i reported are on anyones radar?
[15:56] <cjwatson> we still have to fix 1134770 for 12.04.3 IMO
[15:56] <cjwatson> (the vmlinuz vs. vmlinuz.efi one)
[15:57] <xnox> stokachu: i'll look at debootstrap one.
[15:57] <stokachu> xnox: cool man thanks
[15:57] <slangasek> stokachu: from your descriptions I didn't see any that seemed to require intervention - are there particular ones that you need us to take action on?
[15:57] <slangasek> stokachu: bug #982961, the janitor bot won't care if it's "fix released"
[15:57] <xnox> stokachu: the rest are a bit far outside my comfort zone.
[15:57] <stokachu> slangasek: ok
[15:57] <stgraber> stokachu: the isc-dhcp ldap one is on my radar for precise but not really high prio here, so let me know if you need it done ASAP
[15:58] <stokachu> stgraber: just as long are you are aware of it thats ok with me
[15:58] <stokachu> i posted my status to the relevant teams so if i hear anything back that requires urgent ill ping here
[15:58] <stgraber> stokachu: there was a first SRU attempt for that one which got sponsored but they got caught by the usual trick in debian/series which is that patches under a specific line will get reverted by debian/rules, making that specific upload a no-op ;)
[15:58] <cjwatson> stokachu: 982961> setting the status back was good enough
[15:59] <stokachu> cjwatson: ok cool
[15:59] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:59]  * slangasek gets everyone out on time
[15:59] <stokachu> stgraber: yea i think a new one was uploaded
[15:59] <stokachu> err attached*
[15:59]  * xnox notes to never buy bundled PSU with case ever again.
[15:59] <slangasek> any other topics to cover in 30 seconds?
[15:59] <infinity> stokachu: I have packages prepped for the eglibc one you highlighted, I just need to finish verifying the current SRUs.
[16:00] <stgraber> stokachu: yep, there's a new debdiff that just needs bundling with another precise SRU
[16:00] <stokachu> infinity: ok cool let me or arges know if you get to busy and we can do the processes work
[16:00] <infinity> stokachu: I'm pretty sure the bug log even has links to the test packages I gave arges. :P
[16:00] <infinity> stokachu: So, it seems odd that there needs to be offers of debdiffs after that.
[16:01] <stokachu> infinity: ill have to look im just the messenger for that one
[16:01] <infinity> (Maybe there weren't links, I dunno, didn't go read it again)
[16:01] <infinity> But yeah, I should validate all the current pending bugs this afternoon, so eglibc can move on with life.  There are a few SRUs people want (none are critical, though).
[16:02] <stokachu> infinity: cool man sounds good
[16:02] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 20 16:02:11 2013 UTC.
[16:02] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-20-15.02.moin.txt
[16:02] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-20-15.02.html
[16:02] <slangasek> that's a wrap
[16:02] <ogra_> thanks !
[16:02] <slangasek> thanks!
[16:02] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:02] <stokachu> thanks :D
[16:02] <jodh> thanks
[16:02] <stokachu> spanks?
[16:02] <xnox> cheers
[16:04] <ev> cjwatson: ja
[16:05] <cjwatson> ev: ta