[01:42] So I'm curious... will we be able to run the tablet UI on x86 systems? [01:43] ryukafalz: yes, me too, i have a fusion tablet [01:44] a acer w500, to be precise, the cool think: ubuntu 13.04 already works 100% there in desktop mode, only multitouch driver missing... [01:46] Yeah, I'm looking to get a lenovo tablet, and the Ubuntu tablet UI looks interesting. If not there's always Plasma Active though. [01:46] i'm using it only to play nexuiz [01:47] drivers improved so much with linux 3.8 [01:47] the tablet is faster than my two year-old thinkpad [01:48] anyways, its nearly 3 o'clock in the morning [01:49] i'm going to dream of my tablet running some touch-ui then... [01:49] gn8! === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [03:08] hi === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === salem_ is now known as _salem === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === Guest36969 is now known as tal === tal is now known as Guest48337 [07:56] good morning [08:07] Is anyone know when the customer-preview version for lt26i will come out ? [08:53] Hello, anyone having problems with folowing the instructions in the oficial GO mobile tutorial :P [08:56] cant find the CurrencyConverter template in my version of qt ceator [09:02] It's the qt quick template, you'll have to name it yourself etc. === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI [09:17] Apparently my device shows p2p0 now, does anyone know how to configure that? (Google doesn't like >:( ) === lubuntu is now known as Guest26991 [09:32] hi [09:32] i have error : adbd cannot run as root in production builds, can you help me pls ? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [11:32] Anyone has any idea how to sort out [11:32] "adbd cannot run as root in production builds" [11:32] ? [11:32] what device is that ? === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch [11:33] nexus 4 [11:33] just got it out of the box [11:33] did the oem unlock dance [11:34] phablet-flash -l complained with that [11:34] i'm trying phablet-flash -b now [11:34] that "boostrap" seemed interesting [11:34] how about the last note on step3 from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [11:34] On the workstation-> adb kill-server; adb start-server [11:35] ans also, is ubs debugging enabled properly etc [11:35] you mean accepting the key on the phone? [11:35] *usb [11:35] yeah, got the dialog on the phone and accepted it [11:35] accepting the key on the phone and restarting adb on the PC once you get the popup in unity [11:36] ok, let me run that [11:36] let's wait for phablet-flash -b finish first, don't want to control+c in the middle :D [11:36] oh, you also really want -l [11:36] -b gets you the mwc demo, not the latest image [11:37] -b -l [11:37] and you know what [11:37] it actually worked :-) [11:37] :) [11:43] ogra_: maybe makes sense to update the [11:43] phablet-flash -b [11:43] to [11:43] phablet-flash -b -l [11:43] in step 4? [11:43] feel free, its a wiki ;) [11:43] sure [11:43] ogra_ any ideas? [11:44] Do i really need base Android? [11:44] ogra_: i'm just asking if you think it makes sense or not ;-) [11:44] if it works it definitely makes sense [11:44] i assume we will also soon just remove the mwc demo thing from the server since it is so outdated [11:44] * tsdgeos edits [11:45] ah? [11:45] hopkinskong, we went through that several times i think, yes [11:45] cm 10.1 is counted as "base" android or not? [11:45] and you need the android version from the phablet tree, others wont work [11:45] since that includes bits the userspace needs to talk to === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [11:46] "base android from phablet tree" + "customly built CM10.1" + "Base Image"? [11:47] wat is base android? [11:47] loicm, any thoughts on a good hacking soundtrack? [11:47] "base android from phablet tree" = "customly built CM10.1" [11:47] hmm this reminds me i need to update to daily [11:48] base android from phablet tree = customly built CM10.1 = phablet-dev-bootstrap? [11:48] hopkinskong: yes [11:48] right [11:49] hopkinskong: you must customize it for your device though if someone hasn't already done it [11:49] now, i got "Customly built CM10.1" AND "base ubuntu-touch image" [11:49] hopkinskong: that means copy and paste some code from upstream cyanogenmod [11:49] but I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS and i am ASKING for help. [11:49] "IT" [11:49] what are you even trying to do? [11:49] ali1234: How it boots? [11:50] that is device dependent [11:50] i mean the sequence [11:50] it uses the android boot.img which contains kernel and initrd [11:50] which then populates / and mounts /system [11:50] i mean the "ubuntu-touch-daily-images", it should be at "/"? [11:50] no [11:51] it should be in /data [11:51] or "/data/ubuntu/*"? [11:51] OK, then, how it load the /init? [11:51] Since i am starting with plain, i DO NOT HAVE "/init" [11:51] it uses the android boot.img which contains kernel and initrd [11:51] which then populates / and mounts /system [11:51] the initrd puts /init in place on android systems [11:52] (populates /) [11:52] btw, is today's daily rootfs bigger or smaller than mwc demo? and what is the overall trend? :P [11:52] Wait. [11:52] My kernel loads "/init" [11:52] but i don't have it [11:53] ali1234, 1M bigger [11:53] packed? [11:53] your kernel loads the initrd [11:53] which runs a script that puts /init.rc in place [11:53] that's like 5M during unpacking... [11:53] ali1234, yup [11:54] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/ vs http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ [11:55] should be ok, i have about 45M extra [11:55] why does it do that double unpacking thing anyway? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:56] hmm no idea, rsalveti or sergiusens might know === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik [12:03] sergiusens: if you have time https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/phablet-tools/add_quotes_if_test/+merge/154344 [12:04] ogra_, ali1234 [12:04] tvoss: hehe :), rediscovering Grooveshark these days, it improved a lot, browse by genres (related genres even) then play station [12:04] I've KP because there is no "init" file in the root. [12:05] for past developments(Desktop versions), i used to "ln -s /sbin/init init" [12:05] and it works [12:05] but now, the ubuntu stores in the "/data/ubuntu", i've no idea what to do. [12:06] tried "ln -s /data/ubuntu/sbin/init init", it fails. [12:06] Although /data/ubuntu/sbin/init is EXISTS, it fails. [12:06] hopkinskong, ignore /data/ubuntu for now [12:06] ah? [12:06] get the android side to work first === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ [12:06] all you look at atm is / and /system [12:07] i have "/system" [12:07] /data is only used later in the game [12:07] but the system will not boot without "/init" [12:07] first make sure your self built android image works enough that you can use adb to get in [12:07] so how could i get the "base android" work? [12:07] I can't boot into it, how could i get adb work? [12:07] well, usually by flashing the CM-*.zip .... [12:08] which i understand you cant [12:08] I don't flash. [12:08] for me: [12:08] so you need to take it apart and find where it puts which pieces [12:08] yeah, no need to repeat that every day [12:08] dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/sdcard/rootfs.ext2 && mke2fs /media/sdcard/rootfs.ext2 [12:08] then i mount my rootfs.ext2 [12:08] what you need to find out is how the flashing usually would work and mimic that by hand [12:09] so it works in your case [12:09] how to download ubuntu phone ? [12:09] Do android have "/init" file? [12:09] i fear there is nobody who can easily help you, you need to know your device spcific bits pretty well for this [12:09] driv3rtyr54: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [12:10] I need to know if Android have a "/init" file [12:10] indeed it has [12:10] why there is no "/init" in my CM10.1 .zip? [12:10] because the .zip goes to /system [12:10] it isn't / [12:10] yes. You get the point. [12:10] / is in the initrd [12:11] So how do i get "/init" for my system [12:11] which is packed in the boot.img [12:11] hopkinskong, that happens automatically once the initrd is executed [12:11] hopkinskong, if the cm build system didn't pack it something is very wrong with your device config [12:11] do you mean "init" file is IN the initrd>? [12:11] hopkinskong, yes [12:11] hopkinskong, cause in android / is the initrd [12:12] and everything mounts on top of that [12:12] my system loads "zImage" and "initrd.cpio.gz" when booting. [12:12] it uses the android boot.img which contains kernel and initrd [12:12] which then populates / and mounts /system [12:12] the initrd puts /init in place on android systems [12:12] (populates /) [12:12] to quote myself from 30min ago [12:12] ah ,sorry, i didn't noticed the last sentence [12:13] cdimage.ubuntu.com ? [12:14] driv3rtyr54, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ [12:15] one more question [12:15] obrigado! [12:15] thanks [12:15] if i boot the "base android", what will i get? [12:15] A terminal? [12:16] you'll get a black screen and adb server [12:16] OK [12:16] thanks :D [12:17] Is there much difference in the daily builds? [12:17] minor changes every day [12:17] Still no change log? I know it was in the pipeline [12:17] i think id you compare the daily to the mwc-demo image it is already quite different [12:18] it is in the download dir [12:18] Ahhh right! So it is!! [12:18] there are .manifest that lists the package versions and if git changes happened, there is a .changelog file for them [12:18] ogra_, thanks! Found them :) [12:18] :) [12:18] just interesting to see what's happened [12:19] send flowers to rsalveti for implementing it :) [12:19] (or beer) [12:19] Haha! [12:22] somebody know load ubuntu desktop in mobile [12:23] we have a desktop image for the nexus7 ... [12:23] you wont be able to run any apps needing Xorg on ubuntu touch [12:24] since it does not use/ship X [12:25] in brazil we do not have nexus [12:25] have gvalaxy, htc, razr etc [12:26] i'll buy a nexus === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:43] ogra_ is there source code of ubuntu-touch [12:48] on phablet.ubuntu.com, yes [12:48] and there is indeed the individual source of the packages building the rootfs [12:51] Hi, new here. I have some problems with my touchscreen. I get data from ttyS4 and when i run Calib. I can here "beeb" sound when i touch the point. But when i am finish it says: Base Point Data: 3968 128. And then "Can't find a touch screen" [12:52] on ubuntu touch ? [12:53] sounds like all kinds of Xorg stuff [12:53] I user ub 12.04 LTS [12:54] I think that to. But how to trubelshoot? [12:55] no idea, definitely the wrong channel [12:55] ok, what channel do you recomend? [12:55] dunno probably #ubuntu-x though i doubt they are very good at input stuff [12:56] ubuntu touch simply doesnt use X or any of the ubuntu desktop stuff atm === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:08] rsalveti, thanks for the comments on the MP ... i disagree about changing to ro.product.device thought ... there is a hidden can of worms in it ... [13:21] On raring I'm getting a bunch of MPT dialogs and phablet-deploy is failing. [13:21] Guessing they're related. [13:21] Is this a know issue? A fix? [13:22] tedg, known issue, not sure there is a fix [13:22] xnox, ^^^ ? [13:23] tedg, the prob is that you still want it to be an mpt device if you use plain android and the device gives you nothing to do a distinction if you want adb or mtp [13:23] tedg, whatever I've done, I'm sorry [13:23] haha [13:24] * ogra_ was wonderign while typing :) [13:24] mpt, heh [13:24] ogra_, Yeah, I'm trying to kill nautilus, but that doesn't seem to be who's doing it. [13:25] tedg, libmtp (and its udev rules) [13:25] Is it possible to use adb commands to navigate in CWM? My volume keys aren't working. [13:26] Casmo, not sure if we have a touch variant of the CWM image, that would work [13:26] Casmo, CWM upstream has such builds for most devices [13:26] you can use adb in recovery, yes [13:26] our CWM doesnt use touch thogh [13:26] Hmm, removing libmtp was not a good solution :-) [13:26] I can probably flash an other kernel that has touch, but my Odin isn't working that well :\ [13:27] tedg, i think -runtime is all you need to remove, not sure though [13:27] ogra_, but can I use adb to navigate the CWM marker thingy? :p [13:27] ah no i dont thinnk you can [13:27] unless there's a way to emit fake kernel events for the volume keys [13:27] right [13:27] with udevadn or something [13:27] udevadm [13:27] which i doubt there is [13:28] (happy to be proven wrong) [13:31] I don't have any knowledge about that :\ Can anyone help me with trying that? :) [13:31] well janimo's idea :) [13:32] But I have no idea on what to do with udevadm either. :p [13:32] Casmo, I am not sure if hotkey events can be faked using udev. I would still try flashing an upstream recovery image instead the Ubuntu one [13:32] ogra_, Haven't tried on a clean system, but I think you can just killall gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor [13:32] as upstream's may have the touch variant [13:32] tedg, ah, that might work if it doesnt respawn indeed [13:33] I'll try to see if my Odin works as it should. :) [13:33] Casmo, there's no udev on CWM anyway as it is Android not Linux :/ [13:33] Ah, so that's not an option even. ;P [13:34] And there's the Samsung triangle again. x'D [13:39] hello [13:54] ogra_: why a can of worms? [13:55] this seems to be the only shared device id which is available on any android-based device [13:55] aosp, cm, vendor specific [13:55] at least with the devices I have [13:55] ro.cm is CM specific [13:56] rsalveti, because its a marketing term, ist can contain brackets, spaces and all kinds fo special chars [13:56] *of [13:56] ogra_: got any example of device using that? [13:57] nope, but it is the string the bootloader shows on screen while booting and i think everything is allowed there [13:57] hm, not that sure [13:57] ogra_: what can we use then? [13:57] i wouldnt want to have to escape a ton of potential special chars in the script [13:58] the ro.product.model is more the way you're describing [13:58] rsalveti, what the code uses now seems safe and corresponds to the brunch target [13:58] I think ro.product.device is more simple and more of what we want/need [13:58] ogra_: right, but doesn't work with aosp based ports [13:58] they dont have that property ? [13:58] ogra_: nops, as that's CM specific [13:59] ro.cm [13:59] does asop have ro.asop perhaps ? [13:59] with a similar easy string in it [13:59] nops [13:59] hmpf [13:59] let me reflash my nexus 4, but I think mako was only available at ro.product.device [13:59] k [14:00] if we are sure there are no ~ or * or / or brackets in the string, i dont mind changing [14:00] i just feat that the product name is a marketing thing [14:00] *fear [14:01] I believe the marking name is used at ro.product.model [14:02] gusch: mumble [14:03] rsalveti, as i said if we are sure its safe as filename i dotn mind [14:06] how do you get around the ?not enough space in /data, found 3.9G" issue [14:07] 3.9 should still be enough [14:07] might need to decrease that limit to 3 or 3.5 [14:07] it won't let me continue with a phablet-flash [14:10] at /usr/bin/phablet-flash, line 341 (validate_device(adb)) [14:10] is there a way to force it ? [14:10] that's how it's validating the device [14:10] you can comment that for now and retry [14:10] we need to come to a better value [14:12] rsalveti, OK thx. Commented it out and it's pushing to device [14:20] is there a changelog for the touch developer preview ? [14:20] yes alongside the images on cdimage [14:21] ogra_, ah thx, i am blind [14:21] you also want to look at the .manifest [14:21] (for userspace package versions) [14:26] sergiusens: had time to look at my small MR? [14:27] tsdgeos: sorry, went to the market and just got back... looking now [14:29] tsdgeos: done [14:32] how do I get the current default app work for touch onto my device ? [14:32] sergiusens: tx [14:34] dholbach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SoMEi_s8-uY === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:45] what component do I report for the web browser? === oreneeshy_ is now known as oreneeshy [14:47] how do I install the coreapps onto my dev preview (is it possible?) [14:52] bcurtiswx, there's a few ways. One way is listed in the wiki. The other way is to SSH into the device, add the PPA then use apt-get install to install them and then run them using SSH [14:54] agcalamitaITA, cool, i have them installed from the PPA but confused on how to run them [14:56] bcurtiswx, run the following from SSH with an application already open i.e. phone app running, then run this:- ubuntu-terminal-app --desktop_file_hint /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-terminal-app.desktop [14:58] bcurtiswx, let me know if it works :) [14:58] it works, weird that you need an app open [14:59] ckpringle, another pattern that needs defining is explanatory captions. Font size, alignment, and spacing thereof. Probably not a meeting, just a visual designer generating half a dozen options. === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [15:01] mpt: sure, that might be Rosie but i'll make sure it's covered [15:03] thanks [15:04] ckpringle, I'm using a bunch of captions in settings, e.g. "Setting the time zone automatically requires location detection, which is off." [15:04] bcurtiswx, it is weird! I was trying to figure it out for ages! The app still runs, it just doesn't appear 'on-top' [15:05] Which app are you testing? [15:05] playing around with them, but only a couple have actual content [15:05] Ahhh right. Yep! Alot of them are still empty. You signed up to the mailing list from lai [15:05] launchpad* [15:06] nope [15:10] ogra_: seems we're safe with ro.product.device, that's used by the recovery to check device compatibility and also by a few apps, like games [15:10] which uses it to "certify" the model [15:10] ok [15:10] saw a bunch of tutorials at the net for people changing that to a known model to be able to run games [15:10] i'll change the code [15:10] :-) [15:10] can you give me the right filenames for the supported devices then ? [15:11] hi [15:11] i have one question [15:12] freeflying, nice [15:12] gusch, kaleo, do you think it would make sense to move the image throbber from gallery into the SDK? or at all provide a generic throbber component? [15:13] what is the difference between quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip and quantal-preinstalled-armel+grouper ? [15:13] Saviq: what's a throbber? [15:13] kaleo, spinner [15:14] Saviq: there is already one in the SDK [15:14] ogra_: the id is the same as described by ro.cm [15:14] kaleo, oh [15:15] manta (nexus 10), grouper (nexus 7), mako (nexus 4), maguro (galaxy nexus) [15:15] rsalveti, ah, on my S2 it is completely different [15:15] ogra_: what is it described as product? [15:15] Saviq renato_: where do I find the code source for the indicators networking and messaging? [15:15] source code* [15:16] kaleo, lp:indicators-client [15:16] product.name is different, product.device is the same [15:16] Saviq: thanks [15:16] rsalveti, GT-I9100 ... vs i9100 [15:17] right [15:17] and the dash kind of scared me [15:17] got it :-) [15:18] since it could as well have been a ~ [15:18] - is quite common [15:18] or a UTF-8 smiley or whatever :) [15:18] no, it's android [15:18] who knows what marketing guys think :) [15:18] utf-8 and fancy stuff is only from java on [15:18] heh [15:19] k [15:19] * ogra_ is in a meeting, but will fix the code right after === stroughtonsmith_ is now known as stroughtonsmith === Guest66626 is now known as dk [15:59] sergiusens: Hey [15:59] sergiusens: is it the jenkins instance you manage that does smoke testing of touch images? [16:00] sergiusens: did you see cjwatson's email to ubuntu-devel@ summing up the changes to /current /latest? [16:00] sergiusens: I'd like to check our options for triggers after smoke tests are run as to update the /current symlink on cdimage; I guess it would be a SSH trigger, but there are 10 manners to do this with jenkins :-) === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|otp [16:09] hi there i need help update stock rom on nexus 4 from preview to developer firmware [16:11] any help ??? [16:14] eddie2013: sorry, you want android stock back or update the ubuntu touch preview to the latest image? [16:14] i want have full ubuntu not just preview [16:15] as we we done that ppa as well [16:15] well, the preview is ubuntu, just not the traditional desktop [16:15] but phone went blank [16:15] we only have the traditional desktop for nexus 7 [16:16] so i know why is phone dead now :) [16:18] because we try upgrade preview to full ubuntu true ssh for devel one [16:18] mmrazik|otp: Hey [16:18] mmrazik|otp: I broke the autolanding of https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/phablet-tools/fix-for-1139999/+merge/153419 [16:18] lool: I saw the email or the blueprint, not sure which one... so we used to have a post build job that ran tests and reported back the test result, we can use that to see if everything is ok to publish [16:18] mmrazik|otp: I think it was because I hit "claim review" on whatever team was reqeusted review [16:18] lool: needs some fixing still [16:19] mmrazik|otp: I tried to re-add ps jenkins bot there, but didn't work [16:19] sergiusens: ah so you had such a job but you don't anymore? [16:20] lool: it's there, it's just in need of updating after we broke everything for MWC... it deploys to phone and runs all possible tests avail, which were the autopilot ones and a couple of startup time ones [16:20] lool: I'll tackle that as soon as I solve this raring migration thing which should be done today [16:24] Hello All. I have a quick question for you. [16:24] I have gotten ahold of a Dell XT3. A laptop with a touch screen [16:25] I would like to try the ubuntu touch image on it but I am not sure if that image is the right one to use. [16:25] has anyone tried to use the touch image with a device like this? [16:29] cldunlap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [16:32] sergiusens: Ok cool [16:33] sergiusens: When you have this working, would you me give me a heads up so that we figure out the trigger to update the cdimage symlink? [16:35] sergiusens: are you fixing the MP issues lool has or are you talking about something else? [16:36] i.e. is there something for me to tackle? === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [16:36] mmrazik|otp: this was something else [16:36] ok [16:36] lool: I'll have a look in ~15mins or so [16:37] mmrazik|otp: I'm sorry for breaking it BTW; this was desire to help pick up a random contribution fast, but it ended up delaying it [16:37] mmrazik|otp: great; no hurry -- and thanks! [16:38] lool: FYI. there is an IRC bot on my list where you will be able to hurry-up random contributions. [16:38] just via IRC [16:38] not much work but not too high prio either [16:40] mmrazik|otp: I had acutally noticed some folks poking the bot the other day, but I coulnd't figure it out [16:40] lool: the current way is a hack and might not work [16:43] mmrazik|otp: something else [16:44] lool: I'll give you a heads up [16:44] sergiusens: how will you be validating the image? [16:44] with a real device? if so, which? [16:44] rsalveti: by installing it and running tests [16:44] rsalveti: there's only maguro at the lab... was hoping to get a mako [16:45] sergiusens: right, sounds fine [16:45]