=== Hornet- is now known as Hornet [08:09] good morning everyone. [08:37] Morning === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [09:14] Happy World Sparrow Day, everyone! :-D [09:26] JamesTait, I'm trying to get rid of a mob of chaffinches by studying what they can eat. Que my one and only crud link of the day .... :l [09:26] http://goo.gl/jmTC0 [09:27] redtape-renegade, a cat would probably get rid of them for you. ;) [10:34] is there a way to make a shell script bail out at the first error? [10:34] like put && between every command, except without doing that [10:36] create a bash script which checks exit statuses and exits if they fail? [10:36] that's the same as putting && between every line... [10:37] the right answer is set -e apparently [11:10] ali1234, Have you had any trouble with a 'Shuutle' HTPC in your buying of computers ? Are they prone to not working after a couple of years ? [11:10] **'Shuttle-PC's' [11:11] .. BRBack... [11:22] redtape-renegade: funny you should ask that [11:22] yes, i have had lots f problems with those damn things [11:22] dead PSU, dead graphics... [11:22] they overheat like crazy [11:23] i have not used them for about 5 years though [11:23] maybe they solved all those problems [11:23] morning all [11:39] i wanted a shuttle, when i was youngert [11:39] and my wife's old pc was a shuttle. no overheating issues [11:41] bought 7 of them for work and 5 of them died inside 3 years [11:42] they were different models too [11:42] mmm, never had a problem. [11:42] core 2 duo e6850, and some single-slot geforce i forget the model of. 8800gt? [11:43] the two that lived were the one i used as a linux machine and the one that was running moonwall firewall for the office [11:45] this was back in like pentium 4 days [11:45] though they had celerons in them [12:35] howdy [13:06] hoe verwijder ik een hele serie. Ik wil van Rhythmbox een update gedaan van extern, maar die wil ik er vannaf. [13:06] huh? [13:07] !nl [13:07] Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl [13:07] Sorry [13:08] I've tried speaking dutch, they laughed at me :( [13:08] we would never do anything like that! [13:08] hah, I don't mean here :) [13:08] oh right [13:09] but apparently speaking dutch with english phenomes comes out worse than franglais [13:10] not sure I have the right word there, but I know what I mean [13:11] I know what you mean [13:11] phonemes, apparently. but I was more concerned I'd confused it with pheromones, which would be awkward [13:12] that would be bad [13:13] but I seem to have the same problem with most languages. I'm terrible at replicating sounds [13:13] and it seems to be a terribly english problem. we're taught from a very early age that impersonating someone's accent is offensive [13:15] FOSS World Problems: The new Ubuntu backgrounds have landed, but my screen is so cluttered today that I can't see them :( [13:21] \o/ no more beer duty escalator [13:21] TO THE PUB [13:22] +1 [13:22] beer duty escalator? [13:24] automatic above inflation increases in beer duty [13:24] aha! [13:24] TO THE PUB! [13:27] * popey wonders if ali1234 fancies taking on bug 1157710 :D [13:27] bug 1157710 in Phablet Tools "phablet-flash needs a cleanup option to remove old images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157710 [13:28] 1p off beer :-) [13:29] Corp Tax. down :-) [13:30] this deputy speaker is great [13:30] I have the sound off at the mo. [13:30] Think Milliband is T"£$%^&*( though. [14:04] $%&#â¬.... carrier lost [14:58] * redtape-renegade wakes up and has his last white chip chop giant cookie .. the monster he is. [14:59] dwatkins, Hi there .. [15:02] Anyone near a certain , cambridge ?? http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/watch-libreplanet-live-this-weekend [15:13] Cambridge, MA. Not Cambridge UK. [15:14] you may want to go to #libreplanet and let them know their blog post might want to specify a country or state [15:16] damn posted a second crud WebLink ! .. popey, please give me a slap. | I cant believe I read that. [15:19] It's ok ; the cleaner slapped me this morning after I joked with her : " Oh, and the hoover needs a clean :) " .. first slap off an old womann in 5 years ! [15:21] dwatkins, pingywingy. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:22] ou won't want to miss highlights like: Free Software Foundation president Richard Stallman presenting the 2012 Free Software Awards [15:23] I think the less I say there, the better [15:23] i'll say them! [15:23] rms is a boor and a bore! [15:24] shauno, I meet these guys on IRC from America .. as it's Pennsylvania I know they will be going http://youtu.be/A4A2JTYBoPk?t=8m3s [15:24] bit of a mess over there at the moment. [15:25] *** met === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:27] alan_g, Enjoy your beverage ? [15:27] hi kvarley [15:28] redtape-renegade: \0 [15:28] redtape-renegade: that is the point. ;) [15:30] * redtape-renegade enjoys chocolate :: http://goo.gl/joozQ [15:32] redtape-renegade: sorry, was elsewhere in cyberspace [15:35] makefiles... can i override the metric used to determine age of dependencies? [15:36] like if i say foo: foo.c [15:36] the rules triggers is foo is older than foo.c [15:36] but suppose i say foo: foo.git and i want to rebuild foo if it is older than the last commit on foo.git [15:37] ali1234, Quick question: What was thev firefox add-on you said to use to download youtube videos with ? [15:37] **the.. firefox addon [15:37] http://www.downloadhelper.net/ [15:37] thankyou. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [16:21] popey, AAAAaaagh swapnil called Canonical " ungrateful " .. he's doing it again ! ||| http://www.muktware.com/5273/ubuntu-touch-is-more-android-than-ubuntu [16:25] muktware is... not a great source of well-thought out articles [16:25] i'm not a fan of their work [16:27] he didnt write that [16:30] He questioned how 'gratefull' they are http://paste.ubuntu.com/5631625/ popey, What are you up to at momemt ? [16:30] no. he didn't [16:30] he chose the challenging words. [16:31] C. Anthony Espo did. look at the top. [16:32] but i don't think the individual makes much difference, the whole site is toxic IMHO. [16:32] indeed [16:32] C. Anthony Esposito [16:32] OT question, how would I go about finding a solicitor to do with rental / repairs? [16:34] I know some crap solicitors .. Azelphur : : www.solicitorsfromhell.net/ [16:34] lol [16:35] I'd probably ask on MSE or similar forums [16:36] * redtape-renegade googles the Macedonian Stock Exchange. [16:40] replies on that post are trololol [16:42] ali1234, What name do you use on disqus , then ? [16:42] i use my real name [16:42] ali1234, What name do you use on disqus , then ? [16:43] i'm not replying to that mess [16:43] i don't even know where to start. literally everyone posting there has no clue or is trolling [16:43] and as usual it is impossible to tell which is which [16:43] is it ? [16:44] well except the canonical employees. you have to assume they know what they are talking about which basically leaves one alternative [16:45] S0o you only listen to the gospel according to Canonical :| [16:45] ha [16:46] thankyou for the add-on BTWay .. I'm listening to czaj. on vlc now. [16:47] Apparently there is going to be a youtu.be of how to write manuals for Ubuntu. [16:48] organised by jono , the community leadership team and documentation team. [16:48] lol [16:48] Azelphur: shelter might be able to put you onto one? [16:49] I like shelter Laney. [16:49] they gave me free porridge in 1996 in London. [16:50] they're a good bunch [16:50] yep, I can tell you the story if you like ? [16:52] redtape-renegade: well we're going to try and see if we can the docs up to date so it's easier to get involved [16:52] and yes czaj is on highlight [16:53] czajkowski, Is that for another meeting, or is there a launchpad team ? I'd love to know. [16:54] there is the docs team [16:54] and there will be a meeting soon so I suggest keeping an eye on planet [16:54] or the fridge :) [16:55] also IRC logs too. :| [16:55] the fridge posts to the planet :) [17:02] OT: Cost of a pint goes down by a penny on Sunday :D [17:02] oh they're adding more water to the beer? [17:06] \o/ Just showed Sophie how to do loops in Python [17:06] cool! :) [17:06] I think I need a new career. your daughter is now more proficient in python than I am! [17:06] how long until she's a contributor to Ubuntu code? :) [17:07] just bought her a book on scratch programming, going to get her doing that for principles [17:08] MartijnVdS, It's budgeted is beer .. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-2013-price-of-beer-cut-by-1p-fuel-duty-rise-is-scrapped-and-no-income-tax-on-first-10k-of-earnings-8542360.html [17:13] popey: You're a dream parent [17:19] lol [17:22] my laptop which used to suspend ok, no logner suspends - just freezes on blank dark screen when clicking suspend - intel graphics - any ideas? [17:26] can you ping it? [17:27] i suspect not, since ctrl-alt-f1 etc don't work [17:39] what's that got to do with pinging === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [17:41] BigRedS: because the system is frozen [17:41] and not responding [17:42] will try anyway though [17:54] no, the GUI is frozen and not responding. I've many times had X crash such that ctrl-alt-f? doesn't work but sshing in does [17:54] not for a long time, admittedly [17:54] popey: first reports of US people getting their Nabee Socks *yipyip* [17:56] Laney: yea that's what I should do, I've already talked to them so I should ask them to refer me [17:58] is mencoder equivalent to ffmpeg for conversion/remuxing? [17:58] or is one preferred over the other [18:02] mungbean: no, and no [18:03] also doesn't ubuntu use libav these days? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [18:05] yes, let me rephrase then: [18:06] which is best way to convert iplayer .mp4 downloads to xvid on the CLI ? [18:06] on ubuntu [18:07] xvid? retro! [18:07] yeah [18:07] i am compelled to use it [18:07] try them all and see which one actually works [18:07] every job is different [18:08] and every tool has it's own unusual quirks [18:08] video encoding is a huge mess :( [18:08] seems to be a minefield of undomcumented or new/obsoleted options [18:09] just converted a 40MB .mp4 to 100MB xvid [18:09] yeah [18:10] is this for a hardware player? [18:10] they are really picky [18:10] and they're all different [18:10] yeah [18:10] sucks a bundle [18:57] Just confused Dr. Who... told him about podcasts that were live but aren't live any more... but were live, but not live at the the time of release [18:57] hey all :) [18:57] \o [18:57] i'm finally back, in my new house [18:57] ...and when I tried to explain a rolling release with a stable tip... oh dear, hope he recovers in tim [18:57] VDSL2+ just got enabled this afternoon :O [18:57] SuperEngineer: only one more week (and a few days) [18:57] Attainable rate (kbit/s) 49876 down 20899 up [18:57] :O [18:57] daftykins: so you have slightly less slow internet now? :) [18:57] ;) [18:58] ~4MB/sec down [18:58] *hmmm 100/100* [18:58] * MartijnVdS hugs his fibre [18:58] MartijnVdS: it does me fine :) i was happy with 16Mb, 1.8MB/sec was great [18:58] that.. might have come out wrong [18:58] daftykins: I can tell you, 9.8 *upload* is great too ;) [18:58] heh the line is fluctuating [18:58] yarr i'd love more upstream [18:58] but i'm at the mercy of my ISP :) [18:59] daftykins: you can still move to the Netherlands ;) [19:01] MartijnVdS: naaaah i'm good with no snow [19:01] I haven't seen snow in a week! [19:01] XD [19:01] we had two days of it, whole island closed down XD [19:03] oh we do that too.. two flakes of snow? Emergency timetables for rail travel! [19:03] 50% reduction in # of trains [19:05] MartijnVdS: Uk doesn't need snow to produce a 50% reduction in # of trains - any excuse will do for us [19:07] SuperEngineer: I've found train travel in the UK to be a bit strange [19:07] SuperEngineer: all those companies on the same line.. with different tickets [19:07] how do you know which train to board?! [19:07] "Ooh that train is 5 minutes faster! But it leaves 10 minutes later.." [19:08] MartijnVdS: you lookat all the trains - you get on the one with a "buffet" [bar] ...&hope [19:08] leaves. mumble mumble leaves. you should try commuting between cumbria and scotland. between snow & wet leaves, the west coast line doesn't stand a chance [19:10] shauno: I guess you hate Autumn snow in that case [19:10] MartijnVdS: do you mind if i PM you for a quick favour regarding what's showing on my IP? [19:11] latest on my landlord tales is that he's now trying to evict me for forcing him to do repairs, which is of no surprise [19:11] ali1234: my experiments are showing similar quality when viewed on telly, but ffmpeg doubles the file size [19:11] xD [19:12] MartijnVdS: ah no nm i'm all good [19:13] Serious question - any ideas why kernel .39 showed in uodates, downloaded, installed?... but doesn't show as installed? [19:13] ali1234: using -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts pass=1 [19:13] update grub proves still on .38 [19:14] synaptic says not not installed [19:14] [using 12.04] [19:16] & .39 installed on acer netbook and hp mini? /me confused [19:20] [I'll take the silence as *no idea* then] [19:22] what's in /boot ? [19:22] are they both there? [19:23] * SuperEngineer checks [19:24] daftykins: no - .37 & .38 only [19:25] sounds like if there really was a .39 that went on, it didn't [19:25] :D [19:25] agreed [19:25] but update thinks it did :( [19:26] 'sudo apt-get -f install' do anything? [19:26] is it possible the -39 was a package version rather than the kernel version? not that that's likely [19:27] daftykins: agreed - .39 kernwl successfuully installed on 2 other pooters [19:27] ..what is the -f option? [19:28] * SuperEngineer checks options [19:29] ah...l now I see the logic [19:31] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [19:31] * SuperEngineer confused [19:32] would it be wise to force a manual install? [19:34] no reason not to apt-get install linux-image-x.x.x-y-generic say [19:34] but it's comfier just to apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade imo ^_^ [19:34] will try that one - thanks [19:41] E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) [19:41] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? [19:41] hmmm... [19:41] is that with sudo? [19:41] yup [19:41] have you got another package manager active? [19:42] like a GUI software manager / etc if it's a desktop, or another terminal going? [19:42] no.. that's why confused [19:42] maybe time to do a reboot and try methinks [19:44] bbs [19:49] * redtape-renegade flees off to the shops for FANTA & chews. [19:50] welcome back daftykins [20:07] nah - decided not to install 3.3.0-39 kernel onthis machine... synaptic gives warnings [20:07] ...seems to be mor suited to 32bit architecture [20:08] [accounts for whty installed on nertbook & mini] but not this pooter [20:08] *netbook [20:09] ...congrats to all those who built in pre-checks ;) [20:09] oh - please sub 3.3 for 3.2 - doh! [20:18] Interesting email from Steam support telling ne how to go update a video driver in Ubuntu :D [20:18] ... the bug I reported was unfortunately about the latest driver killing 'X' - lol [20:22] ..so that's how you get around a bug confirmed by others as well - pretend they don't even even know the basics... made I smile! [20:38] openbravo [20:54] woo! 25 second boot time :) === NightCreature is now known as SDr [21:13] pleasing thought time - there are more bugs discovered in a rain forest every year than ever found in a linux distro [22:11] hahaha [22:30] * Laney books his first full price train ticket (ever?) and weeps [22:31] first class ? [22:31] no, that would have been insane [22:32] Laney: are you coming down to London [22:32] yes [22:32] friday [22:33] this friday? [22:33] aye [22:33] boo [22:33] currently thinking I'll head to the office for the aft [23:01] * redtape-renegade hears Jimmy. [23:12] Laney: are you going to use the bug to point out the obvious "It's asking me a yes or no question with no yes or no buttons"? [23:12] (that's the single thing that has been pointed out to me N times where N>1) [23:13] I just subscribed you to one I filed [23:14] THANK YOU. [23:14] oh look. more mail. [23:14] use your Klout™ to get it fixed [23:15] * Laney heads up the wooden hill to bedford [23:15] \o/ I opted out of Klout™ to prevent exactly these situations. [23:19] Klout™ is broken today, so i cannot verify statements regarding your Klout™ Score™ [23:20] \o/ new bug [23:24] Anyone using the experimental ppa fancy reproducing bug 1158021 [23:24] bug 1158021 in Unity "Launcher tooltips don't disappear when dash is open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158021 [23:37] bah, and another [23:39] bug 1158025 is easy to reproduce [23:39] bug 1158025 in Unity "Search term disappears sometimes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158025