[00:26] <rick_h_> well, give the guy some credit http://term.ie/blog/how-to-get-banned-from-pycon/
[00:36] <snap-l> Yeah, on the one hand I think CoCs for conferences are a bit over the top
[00:37] <snap-l> I've seen people who won't go to a conference if there isn't an explicit CoC for every one to consent to
[00:37] <snap-l> but I do see the need for them
[00:38] <snap-l> But honestly I'm a little tired of this inoffensive nerf culture we're cultivating
[00:39] <snap-l> It's OK to tell people "I am offended" and begin a dialog
[00:39] <snap-l> but this zero tolerance shit needs to stop
[00:40] <snap-l> There is a huge difference between a kid showing up to school with a butter knife, and someone showing up with an arsenal
[00:49] <rick_h_> yea, I think the key here is the lighting up and potentialy causing harm for the conference as a whole if the hotel/conference center decided to make a stink
[00:51] <rick_h_> https://github.com/blog/1440-today-s-email-incident interesting even though it's rails
[00:52] <rick_h_> never know when that update you pull down will change something you don't have a direct test against
[03:17] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920029533.do
[03:17] <snap-l> Test-Driven Development with Python
[03:18] <snap-l> Finally something to replace those packt books
[12:27] <snap-l> Good morning, gentle folk
[12:31] <rick_h_> morn
[13:48] <brousch> Wow, Ubuntu Touch has been ported for both of my Android devices
[13:53] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[13:54] <rick_h_> brousch: the QT master?
[13:54] <brousch> Actually hoping to try Kivy
[13:55] <snap-l> Took a quick peek at Kivy last night
[13:56] <snap-l> SOme of the samples looked like they had C code in them hidden in triple quotes
[13:56] <snap-l> I think that's for CPython?
[13:56] <brousch> It uses Cython
[13:57] <brousch> I haven't noticed any difference from regular Python yet
[13:57] <snap-l> Sorry, Cython
[13:58] <brousch> Ug, time to run BS errands
[17:20] <brousch> snap-l: http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/13/03/20/1629252/va-scraps-napalm-death-gig-for-fear-decibel-levels-will-damage-sculptures
[17:43] <rick_h_> I give up...I can't do people. I'm just going to go hack on my own OSS and give up trying to work with anyone.
[17:44] <greg-g> rick_h_: that's so Canonical of you ;P
[17:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: hah! I've been trained
[17:45] <greg-g> sorry, couldn't resist, it was just there, in my head, flashing with big neon lights
[17:49] <brousch> Ohmy, get out the skin grafts because rick_h_ just got buuuuuurned
[17:49] <rick_h_> lol
[17:49] <rick_h_> yep, got me good
[17:52] <brousch> Who pissed you off now?
[17:53] <jcastro> RICK
[17:53] <jcastro> hi2u
[17:55] <rick_h_> brousch: not pissed off, just working with people is hard
[17:56] <rick_h_> you think you understand what you say, they read it differently, don't know what you know. End up wasting days of time/energy
[17:56] <rick_h_> jcastro: howdy
[17:56] <brousch> ah
[17:56] <rick_h_> much easier to just write it all :P
[17:56] <rick_h_> or as greg-g calls it...go "Canonical"
[17:57] <jcastro> rick_h_: when confused just G+ me
[17:57] <jcastro> they're just translating what I am saying anyway
[17:57] <rick_h_> jcastro: naw, this is in my own stuff. Guy I'm working with wasted two days writing what ended up being 10lines of code because he didn't understand the 'big picture'
[17:58] <jcastro> oh
[17:58] <jcastro> well in that case
[17:58] <rick_h_> and all along I thguoht I was making it easy for him and keeping him from needing the 'big picture'
[17:58] <jcastro> get to work. :p
[17:58] <rick_h_> hah!
[17:58] <rick_h_> yep
[17:58] <jcastro> so I got the browser up on the N7
[17:58] <jcastro> with the juju survey for ODS
[17:58] <jcastro> it looks pretty badass
[17:58] <rick_h_> survey?
[18:00] <jcastro> yeah I am running surveys via booth duty during ODS
[18:00] <jcastro> on the tablet
[18:01] <rick_h_> ah very cool
[18:18] <snap-l> ODS?
[18:18] <greg-g> OpenStack Developer Summit
[18:18] <snap-l> Thank you.
[18:18] <greg-g> usually in conjunction with UDS, but, ya know ;)
[18:19] <snap-l> Some of us don't get to go galavanting to conferences. :)
[18:19] <greg-g> I don't anymore, only one or two trips a year for me, probably
[18:19] <snap-l> I do all of my conferences in Google Hangout now. Hangouts are cool.
[18:19] <greg-g> CC had me flying about once a month on average (July was insane, I was gone for literally 3/4ths of the month)
[18:20] <greg-g> snap-l: that's what some people say
[18:24] <jcastro> I am flying more recently than usual
[18:24] <jcastro> though tbh, google hangouts really is awesome for doing remote work
[18:27] <rick_h_> yea, but every time I sprint I get wondering. Always seems like so much gets done and crap gets fixed asap vs next stand up/two days later
[18:35] <brousch> greg-g: There aren't Wikipedia drink-ups or edit-a-thons every week around the world?
[18:41] <greg-g> brousch: every other
[18:42] <greg-g> we're a lazy bunch. I mean, writing an encyclopedia is just too easy
[18:42] <greg-g> also, being one of the few truly community-run projects, you know what that means, we never get anything done
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[18:46] <snap-l> http://www.theonion.com/articles/find-the-thing-youre-most-passionate-about-then-do,31742/
[18:47] <brousch> Big PyCon jokes kerfluffle http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.403861-Adria-Richards-Gets-Two-People-Fired-Over-Dongle-Joke-At-Tech-Conference
[18:47] <greg-g> All that matters is that once you know what you want to do, you dive in a full 10 percent and spend the other 90 torturing yourself because you know damn well that it’s far too late to make a drastic career change, and that you’re stuck on this mind-numbing path for the rest of your life.
[18:48] <snap-l> AMen
[18:48] <snap-l> Now if you'll excuse me... ;)
[18:51] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/podcasts/open-metalcast/open-metalcast-episode-68-tributes-and-compilations
[18:55] <greg-g> :)
[19:24] <rick_h_> jcastro: know anyone in the ruby community that's PPA knowledgeable? https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/314456862349205507
[19:27] <jcastro> ack
[19:28] <rick_h_> jcastro: https://github.com/topazproject/topaz is what he's talking about in particular.
[19:29] <jcastro> I saw that
[19:29] <jcastro> insane!
[19:31] <rick_h_> alex is crazy like that. but hey, work on pypy got them $10k from PSF. Maybe some ruby-ists will like this.
[19:32] <brousch> I got no response from my local Rubists when I mentioned it a while ago
[19:35] <snap-l> "I can't iumagine too many Rubyists who would be pleased that Python is running their language
[19:36] <snap-l> JVM is one thing
[19:36] <brousch> I have heard a lot of praise for JRuby
[19:36] <rick_h_> greg-g: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Nfk1-XMASrk that's sweet. RasberryPi hacking awesomeness
[19:37] <brousch> More RPi hacking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVM09gaX6pQ
[19:56] <derekv> re
[20:01] <snap-l> rehi
[20:01] <snap-l> wb
[20:03] <derekv> ty
[20:04] <greg-g> ab
[20:08] <derekv> horrible stomach flu yesterday
[20:09] <derekv> still recovering
[20:09] <jcastro> hey rick_h_
[20:09] <jcastro> if you have a minute I could use a G+ with ya
[20:10] <snap-l> derekv: I tak it you're not going to CHC tonight
[20:10] <rick_h_> jcastro: sure thing
[20:22] <derekv> I kindof want to go
[20:23] <snap-l> Dude, if you're sick, please stay home
[20:23] <derekv> On the chance that whatever I have/had is contagious
[20:23] <derekv> nobody wants what I had
[20:23] <derekv> trust me
[20:23] <derekv> wouldn't wish it on anyone
[20:25] <brousch> Damnit. An update seems to have borked my wireless
[20:25] <brousch> What good is sitting on LTS if stuff still breaks?
[20:27] <greg-g> hah, Debian loves you ;)
[20:29] <rick_h_> jcastro: https://plus.google.com/photos/112719704219936118281/albums/5377728377623155505?banner=pwa
[20:29] <jcastro> brousch: which card? can you be specific?
[20:31] <derekv> i might do some sort of hackothon on the android
[20:39] <derekv> probably android bookie
[20:39] <rick_h_> woot
[20:39] <derekv> i don't know if that's something that would appeal to anyone else
[20:40] <rick_h_> I've got to try to do some extension work myself.
[20:43] <brousch1> geekers
[20:52] <derekv> i need to do something with fragments
[20:53] <brousch1> Ah, thinking of trying them in the Bookie Android app?
[20:53] <brousch1> At GRmobileDev we had a talk on fragments from the author of an O'Reilly Android book. They sounded useful but complicated
[20:56] <derekv> I don't think the android bookie app really calls for it given the current feature set
[20:56] <derekv> certainly there are some lower hanging fruit
[20:56] <derekv> but i'd like to be familier with them
[20:56] <derekv> now viewing: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Android-Design
[20:59] <brousch1> I have the video of the talk, but it's like 5GB
[21:02] <derekv> brousch1: who was it?
[21:03] <rick_h_> derekv: next time we hit up CHC we can chat if you're interested. I'm working on design/mockup for a reader view that shows the list on the left and opens up the readable content and such on the right.
[21:03] <rick_h_> derekv: we can work out a design friendly for android tablet and web
[21:03] <rick_h_> and might be interesting to tinker with tablet custom UX and such
[21:04] <brousch1> derekv: Blake Meike author of http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920023005.do
[21:05] <jcastro> snap-l: ok, I've moved DKM to my cool column
[21:05] <jcastro> http://gawker.com/5991403/dropkick-murphys-singer-kicks-the-crap-out-of-skinhead-doing-nazi-salute-on-stage-during-st-patricks-day-concert
[21:29] <Blazeix> derekv: did you see the android thing happening this weekend downtown?
[21:29] <Blazeix> lemme see if i can find a link
[21:29] <derekv> Is something else happeneing downtown this weekend?
[21:30] <greg-g> I love #wikimedia-staff, we're talking about how some time ago, Alpine (the Pine mail derivative) was non-free for a while
[21:30] <Blazeix> derekv: http://www.detroitgdgdevfest.com
[21:31] <Blazeix> oh, um i should keep up with the backlog...
[21:43] <derekv> Blazeix: how did i even not know about this
[21:44] <derekv> i like how my current boss is even giving a talk at it
[21:45] <derekv> same talk he's been giving around
[21:50] <derekv> ok signed up
[21:51] <derekv> so much has been going on
[22:07] <derekv> greg-g: elm
[23:25] <snap-l> jcastro: Their music is the sound of bar brawls