[05:18] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:51] <Squirm> hi
[05:52] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all :)
[06:16] <Kilos> lo ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:50] <jrgns> morning all
[06:54] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday jrgns 
[06:59] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[07:26] <Vince-0> Haai!
[07:45] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 henkj 
[07:45] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[07:57] <Kilos> oh inetpro tarals was looking for votes
[07:57] <Kilos> http://music4pixels.thepixelproject.net/the-youtube-cover-carnival-about/valentine-2013-youtube-cover-carnival-vote-your-favourite-semi-finalist-into-the-finals/ "
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> has anyone else's PC suddenly decided to use ',' as the decimal point instead of '.'? :-/
[08:02] <Kilos> there was someone day before yesterday ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:02] <Kilos> bmg505: i think it was
[08:03] <Kilos> dunno if he found the solution
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm just checked my regional settings still say "English (South Africa)" but suddenly it uses a space as thousands separator and a comma for decimal separator
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> lovely
[08:05] <tonberryE352> someone decided to change the upstream regional settings?
[08:10] <Kilos> so is it easiest to change to english US to keep things running same then
[08:10] <tonberryE352> who knows
[08:10] <Vince-0> lools
[08:10] <tonberryE352> i have not noticed it yet
[08:10] <Vince-0> Ubuntu changes for the lose
[08:10] <tonberryE352> what programs show this behavior?
[08:27] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: what programs show this behavior?
[08:28] <Kilos> and is it only after updating
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure when i last updated
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> also i'm using Xubuntu, not sure if normal Ubuntu is affected
[08:30] <Kilos> bmg505: what flavour are you using?
[08:30] <Kilos> and what release
[09:33] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos, you see the new 8ta data bundle prices?
[09:34] <Kilos> nope, better than the 2+1?
[09:34] <Trixar_za> Actually they moved that promo to the Telkom Mobile data range
[09:35] <Kilos> what does that mean. i can still get it hopefully
[09:35] <Trixar_za> It now has 3 menus, All Network Data, Telkom Mobile Data (as in, only works on 8ta and not during roaming) and Wifi
[09:35] <Trixar_za> But the prices are way reduced
[09:35] <Kilos> well thats fine. i only use mobile for data anyway
[09:36] <Kilos> reduced is good
[09:36] <Trixar_za> 25MB for R15, 50MB for R20, 100MB for R30, 250MB for R50, 500MB for R95 and 1GB for R180
[09:37] <Trixar_za> That's on all. On Telkom Mobile it's even cheaper, but only within range of 8ta towers (which suck if you sometimes drop to MTN)
[09:37] <Kilos> yeah
[09:37] <Trixar_za> 250MB for R38, 500MB for R69 and 1GB for R129
[09:38] <Trixar_za> Sucks that they moved the promos to Telkom Mobile Data though
[09:38] <Kilos> they mustnt dump the 2+1 then ill cry
[09:38] <Kilos> R149 for 3G
[09:38] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but only while on 8ta towers
[09:39] <Trixar_za> I guess it falls back to airtime when not in range
[09:39] <Trixar_za> And that could be bad...
[09:39] <Kilos> i dont move around so its good
[09:40] <Trixar_za> Still awesome that 500MB is now a whole R25 cheaper with all :P
[09:40] <Trixar_za> Take that Vodacom (who used to charge R110 for 100MB)
[09:40] <Kilos> lol
[09:41] <Kilos> they must all keep undercutting each other
[09:42] <Kilos> its about time the peeps scored somewhere
[09:42] <Trixar_za> True
[09:42] <Trixar_za> And 8ta and Telkom can run at around 7,2MBits/s too
[09:43] <Trixar_za> So if you have a proper 3G modem, you can get cheap and fast internet :P
[09:43] <Kilos> i dont get more than 350kB/s on 3g
[09:43] <Trixar_za> The one I have only goes at about 3,6MBits/s
[09:43] <Symmetria> heh
[09:43] <Symmetria> Im impressed what they have done with roaming rates on vodacom
[09:44] <Symmetria> free inbound international calls in most of africa now, thank god for that
[09:44] <Kilos> foned them and asked for the unrestricted like voda does but they dont do that
[09:44] <Symmetria> and only 5 bux a minute to phone back to .za
[09:44] <Symmetria> <3
[09:44] <Symmetria> data roaming though is still just stupid priced
[09:44] <Symmetria> but that goes for every cell network in the world
[09:45] <Kilos> Trixar_za: you get that speed on 3g?
[09:45] <Kilos> hi Symmetria what did Fanie say?
[09:48] <Symmetria> kilos wasnt able to get holda him before I flew out the country
[09:48] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Not really. Bits are different from Bytes
[09:48] <Symmetria> so will check with him once Im back in .za on saturday
[09:48] <Kilos> ok ill try member to remind you ty Symmetria 
[09:48] <Symmetria> though I actually have to go to bloem in the next 2 weeks anyway, just trying to fit it in between flying to london and joburg in that period as well
[09:49] <Symmetria> Im kinda moving around a lot at the moment
[09:49] <Kilos> ya but 3mb/s is still much more than 350kB/s
[09:49] <Symmetria> 3mbit/s = 3072kbit/s = 384kbyte/second
[09:49] <Symmetria> less overhead 
[09:50] <Symmetria> bring it down to between 360 - 370
[09:50] <Symmetria> ;p
[09:50] <Kilos> aw thats slow
[09:50] <Trixar_za> Nice, the new prices even show up on http://onnet.8ta.com/
[09:51] <Trixar_za> Including the promos
[09:52] <Kilos> yay as long as they keep the 2+1 going im happy
[09:52] <Symmetria> that overhead can also be pretty hectic
[09:53] <Symmetria> thats why you dont generally get more than 420k/second MAX over a 4mbit dsl
[09:53] <Symmetria> (instead of the 512k/second thats theoretical)
[09:53] <Symmetria> reason being is that the dsl in .za for example is still PPPoA 
[09:53] <Symmetria> and atm anything sux balls 
[09:58] <Trixar_za> Back - had to restart connection
[09:59] <Kilos> ai!
[10:01] <Trixar_za> That 2GB+1GB promo is only a one time thing, isn't it?
[10:02] <Symmetria> heh
[10:02] <Symmetria> you can buy a gig of 3g data 
[10:03] <Symmetria> in kenya
[10:03] <Symmetria> for $7 USD 
[10:06] <Kilos> no 2+1 i have been using for months
[10:06] <Symmetria> you can also get 3gig for approx. R180 
[10:06] <Symmetria> in kenya
[10:06] <Symmetria> I was just looking
[10:11] <Squirm> lo
[10:12] <Kilos> lo Squirm when you doing nothing please give me that info on the resolve.conf thing so it sees 8.8.8.8 
[10:12] <Kilos> lost it with last crash
[10:13] <Squirm> nameserver 8.8.8.8
[10:13] <Squirm> in /etc/resolv.conf
[10:13] <Kilos> and check the list , has that guy with the skype prob also got a conf prob
[10:13] <Kilos> ty Squirm 
[10:13] <Squirm> not on the list
[10:14] <Kilos> wsow
[10:14] <Kilos> wow too
[10:14] <Kilos> naughty boy
[10:14] <Squirm> hmm, actually I am
[10:14] <Squirm> but I get the digest
[10:15] <Kilos> he says everything works but not skype
[10:16] <Kilos> someone got him to get resolv.conf and it also shows that nameserver 127.0.0.1
[10:18] <Squirm> so does mine
[10:18] <Squirm> I think network manager sorts that out
[10:18]  * Trixar_za thinks he's going to try getting the promo soon
[10:19] <Squirm> Trixar_za: the promo?
[10:19] <Kilos> its lekker apart from late night for the +1 Trixar_za 
[10:19] <Trixar_za> Squirm: The 2GB + 1GB deal by 8ta
[10:19] <Trixar_za> 2GB all the time and 1GB extra at night
[10:20] <Kilos> they say R149 but actually only deduct R146
[10:20] <Trixar_za> So you get about 3GB of data to use for only R149
[10:26] <Trixar_za> Interesting
[10:26] <Trixar_za> With All, the 2GB and 5GB deals have become more expensive
[10:27] <Trixar_za> 2GB used to be R266, now it's R349 and 5GB used to be R666 and is now R819
[10:27] <Trixar_za> So there is some loss with the new prices
[10:28] <Kilos> there are quiet a few of us that have been using the 2+1 promo for months now
[10:29] <Trixar_za> But then again, it's cheaper on Telkom Mobile's data bundles
[10:29] <Trixar_za> You can see Telkom is planning to drop 8ta in favour of Telkom Mobile
[10:29] <Kilos> eish dont say that
[10:30] <Symmetria> heh 8ta and telkom mobile are in reality the same thing
[10:30] <Symmetria> under different names
[10:30] <Trixar_za> I wouldn't worry. If they do, they just move the 8ta people to Telkom Mobile automatically, so we won't even feel it. It is somewhat of pain though - lol
[10:30] <Kilos> as long as the 2+1 stays thats fine
[10:31] <Kilos> its the same towers so all good here 
[10:32] <Trixar_za> There has to be a limit on it though
[10:32] <Trixar_za> Like you can only use it once a month or something
[10:32] <Kilos> sssshhhhh
[10:32] <Trixar_za> otherwise people will just keep using it ;P
[10:33] <Kilos> as Symmetria says 8ta is telkoms mobile side
[10:35] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Can you keep buying the promo each time you run out or does it have a limit?
[10:36] <Squirm> Kilos: indeed it is. they're starting to rebrand it as such
[10:36] <Kilos> you just buy another one when that ones is up Trixar_za 
[10:37] <Kilos> i use one every 2 months normally but had too much with new installs this month so stretching last 200m till month end
[11:18] <theblazehen> hi all
[11:21] <nlsthzn> o/
[11:31] <Trixar_za> Look what I found: http://marcel-oehler.marcellosendos.ch/comics/ch-ch/
[11:32] <Trixar_za> Comes with a downloadable archive of all the comics
[11:32] <Trixar_za> I forgot how funny Calvin and Hobbes was
[11:32]  * nlsthzn is behinnd the great wall of fire so linky no work :'(
[11:32] <Kilos> hi jrgns nlsthzn 
[11:33] <nlsthzn> o/ uncle Kilos
[11:33] <jrgns> hey. again :)
[11:33] <Kilos> hehe
[11:33] <Kilos> shoulda checked and said wb
[11:36] <Kilos> yo SubOracle 
[11:38] <Kilos> hey plustwo why dont you use this nick nights as well
[12:19]  * Squirm yawns
[12:22] <Kilos> hi theblazehen wb
[12:22] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[12:22] <Kilos> too early to yawn Squirm 
[12:23] <nlsthzn> so now only 9 months support for non lts... should have made it 12 months, then at least you can skip a release without loosing support...
[12:23] <Kilos> ai!
[12:28] <Kilos> nlsthzn: you on konversation?
[12:28] <nlsthzn> nope
[12:28] <Kilos> oh ok
[12:28] <nlsthzn> KVIrc
[12:28] <Kilos> eek
[12:30]  * nlsthzn is on XP currently...
[12:31] <Trixar_za> My condolences
[12:32] <nlsthzn> it does what is needed
[12:33] <nlsthzn> slowly at first and even slower later on but still...
[12:34] <nlsthzn> and I see that CIRC from Google doesn't play well with the great wall of fire either :(
[12:36] <nlsthzn> bbl :p
[13:46] <jrgns> cheers okes
[13:58] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:59] <superfly> aloha magespawn
[14:00] <magespawn> o/ superfly
[14:03] <magespawn> just did my first scp
[14:06] <inetpro> Kilos: 8ta broadband specials ending soon - http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/73728-8ta-broadband-specials-ending-soon.html
[14:07] <Kilos> oh my
[14:09] <inetpro> looks like we'll have to do some shopping around again
[14:09] <inetpro> maybe mtn
[14:10] <Kilos> mtn sucks here. edge only and forever offline
[14:10]  * Kilos cries
[14:11] <Kilos> inetpro: explain
[14:11] <Kilos> Telkom confirmed that the 8ta promotions are coming to an end, but highlighted that subscribers who have already taken up the 10GB for R199 contract promotion will continue to receive the benefits of the promotion until their contract expires.
[14:12] <Kilos> how does one get that contract and how long is it for
[14:12] <Kilos> 50 bucks more than the 2+1
[14:13] <inetpro> Kilos: 24 months
[14:13] <inetpro> and it's a contract
[14:13] <Kilos> so if one takes it out now for 2 years you have 10g a mo0nth
[14:13] <inetpro> lot's of red tape
[14:13] <Kilos> aw
[14:13] <Kilos> and bank accounts etc etc
[14:13] <magespawn> but at R199 per month * 24
[14:14] <magespawn> there is a cell c contract for R89 for 2 gigs per month
[14:14] <inetpro> guess we'll have to be quick to sign up for that 10GB per month
[14:16] <Kilos> ai!
[14:17] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[14:17] <Kilos> i have my 8ta R150 airtime here waiting for the first
[14:17] <Kilos> it wont work
[14:17]  * Kilos cries more
[14:18] <inetpro> Kilos: you should be able to add on top
[14:18] <Kilos> please explain
[14:19] <Kilos> the 200m i have left here only expires end of next month too
[14:20] <Kilos> thast scp over ssh works well magespawn 
[14:20] <Kilos> thats the copy command hey?
[14:21] <magespawn> yup kilos
[14:21] <magespawn> Kilos: 
[14:21] <Kilos> haha you arent using tab complete
[14:21] <magespawn> not the first time
[14:21] <Kilos>      kiltab
[14:23] <Kilos> inetpro: please can you give me all the info about that 8ta contract and i can see if sis will do it for me
[14:25] <magespawn> 10 gigs a month Kilos, you could do an install twice a week 
[14:25] <Kilos> lol wonderful hey
[14:25] <Kilos> and get all the diffent flavours and linux distros
[14:26] <Kilos> just when everything is stable here
[14:28] <magespawn> maybe do some online courses
[14:28] <inetpro> Kilos: I think it is at http://www.8ta.com/plans/postpaid-data/i5promo/
[14:29] <Kilos> ty
[14:33] <Kilos> ai! The promo excludes a data modem
[14:41] <Kilos> and they want three months pay slips etc
[14:41]  * Kilos cries
[14:43] <Kilos> and poor Trix[a]r_za just found the 2+1 today
[14:56] <magespawn> it does look like the overall price is coming down though
[15:02] <Squirm> nuvolari: that's one broken blade. I have a feeeling I may have burned out the motor :/
[15:03] <magespawn> Squirm: on the quadcopter?
[15:05] <Squirm> magespawn: indeed
[15:07] <magespawn> you can rewind the motor if need be
[15:07] <Kilos> yeah magespawn maybe ill go with the 1G for R129
[15:08] <magespawn> Kilos: what is your cell c coverage like?
[15:08] <Kilos> getting a contract is too much stress for sis
[15:08] <Kilos> i think it was ok last i looked but sims expired by now
[15:09] <magespawn> contracts can be a pain though
[15:10] <Kilos> yeah we cant do that methinks
[15:11] <Kilos> sis works day by day
[15:11] <Kilos> for last three years hehe
[15:11] <Squirm> magespawn: I don't know how a brushless motor works :P
[15:13] <magespawn> Squirm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf1dFv7nQ9E
[15:31] <Kilos> wb Vince-0 
[15:31] <Vince-0> haai
[15:37] <Kilos> magespawn: this makes it even more reason to stick to lts releases
[15:37] <Kilos> for me anyway
[15:37] <magespawn> i like to do that anyway
[15:38] <Kilos> ya but it was lekker to play with the new ones
[15:38] <Kilos> and kde and lubuntu and xubuntu etc
[15:39] <Kilos> oh and mate
[15:39] <Kilos> 1g a month is what i use when no crashes and new installs
[15:40] <Kilos> so just lose out on the night surfer and some cash
[15:41] <Kilos> swines
[15:41] <magespawn> going to try ubuntu 12.04 server with the kde desktop on this laptop see what happens
[15:41] <Kilos> lol i wanted to get a gui for my server and the pro bombed me
[15:42] <Kilos> now server deleted and kubuntu 12.04 running
[15:42] <Kilos> oh sorry i cant try this drive on old pc because it has not sata port
[15:44] <magespawn> you can get adapters but they make a sata drive slow
[15:45] <magespawn> the reason why i am trying the gui on the server software is to get the latest lts but be able to change the desktop as i feel
[15:45] <Kilos> ian has one he will bring me but that could be months
[15:45] <Kilos> 12.04 is good except for 3g here
[15:45] <Kilos> everything works well. unity and kde
[15:46] <Kilos> how do you just install the kde interface on to the server
[15:47] <Kilos> kubuntu-desktop?
[15:47] <magespawn> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[15:47] <Kilos> ah
[15:47] <magespawn> or apt-get
[15:47] <Kilos> not kubuntu-full. thats a bit heavy
[15:48] <magespawn> that is what i am concerned about
[15:48] <magespawn> old laptop
[15:48] <Kilos> yhou can always put mate on
[15:48] <Kilos> thats very light]
[15:48] <Kilos> and fast
[15:49] <magespawn> i like kde, so want to use that, but only if it works 
[15:49] <Kilos> ya kde is kiff hey
[15:50] <Kilos> seeing as i gotta get the 2+1 before month end i might make an updatyed kde cd
[15:50] <Kilos> 12.04.2
[15:50] <Kilos> you have those commands hey
[15:50] <magespawn> yes i did store those 
[15:51] <magespawn> on my evernote i think
[15:51] <Kilos> actually only uses 300m or so to make the updated cd
[15:56] <Kilos> inetpro: go home now
[15:56] <Kilos> maybe he has
[15:56] <magespawn> i am also on the way home, chat later
[15:56] <Kilos> go safe
[16:02] <Kilos> hiya eyesonlyhack 
[16:14] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[16:33] <Kilos> bbl
[17:38] <Kilos> so where is the fly?
[17:38] <Kilos> or the pro
[17:38] <Kilos> need some kubuntu info
[17:39] <Kilos> this command updates and iso to 12.04.2
[17:39] <Kilos> zsync -i ubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[17:39] <Kilos> what do i do to update the kubuntu 12.04 iso?
[17:40] <Trixar_za> 04.2?
[17:40] <Kilos> yes 12.04.2
[17:40] <Trixar_za> There were two ubuntu releases of 12.04?
[17:40] <Trixar_za> Man I've been out of the loop
[17:41] <Kilos> and 2 more to come before it expires
[17:41] <Kilos> aw did you see Trixar_za 
[17:41] <Kilos> 8ta stopping 2+1 end of this month
[17:41] <Kilos> yo smile4ever 
[17:41] <Trixar_za> That sucks
[17:42] <Kilos> ya the swines
[17:42] <Kilos> stopping all the 8ta promos
[17:42] <Trixar_za> Probably preparing for the Telkom Mobile ones
[17:43] <Trixar_za> I just hope they don't pull a Virgin Mobile like CellC did
[17:43] <Trixar_za> I still hate CellC with a passion for that
[17:43] <Trixar_za> Especially Trevor Noah
[17:44] <Kilos> but they will still have 1g for R129
[17:44] <Kilos> so now its R129 a month instead of R149 every 2 months
[17:44] <Trixar_za> Yeah
[17:44] <Trixar_za> But only while on 8ta and not while roaming
[17:45] <Trixar_za> But what I don't get is why they end the promo, but it on the new menus?
[17:45] <Trixar_za> put*
[17:45] <Kilos> lucky inetpro told me or i woulda waited for the 1st before getting next bundle
[17:45] <Kilos> ya they should have hey?
[17:46] <Kilos> but this way they make more money
[17:46] <Kilos> swines
[17:47] <Kilos> but they got that 10g a month if you take a 2 year contract out before end of month
[17:47] <Trixar_za> Atleast you get another month of it if you buy this month
[17:47] <Kilos> yeah
[17:47] <Kilos> thats why i put it now 
[17:48] <Trixar_za> I'll get it tomorrow
[17:48] <Trixar_za> Ironically, the first time I ever could get it - lol
[17:48] <Kilos> so gotta get everythingi can with this one and just irc pidgin and email from then on
[17:48] <Kilos> ya i said so
[17:49] <Trixar_za> I'd probably just buy 250MB and 500MB packages - alternating between all and telkom mobile
[17:50] <Kilos> and poor Trix[a]r_za just found the 2+1 today
[17:50] <Kilos> no man get the 2+1 now
[17:52] <Kilos> and go mad for a month
[18:10] <nuvolari> this is insane...
[18:10] <nuvolari> need to reboot
[18:10] <nuvolari> superfly: did you read linode's post?
[18:11] <nuvolari> http://blog.linode.com/2013/03/18/linode-nextgen-the-hardware/
[18:15] <Kilos> what happened nuvolari 
[18:16] <nuvi-backup> about to restart my linode oom kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> ah
[18:19] <nuvi-backup> come on!
[18:20] <nuvi-backup> why is quassel messing around every time?
[18:20] <nuvi-backup> hrr
[18:20] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash how would i modify this to get kubuntu 12.04.2 please
[18:20] <Kilos> zsync -i ubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[18:21] <nuvolari> oh my word
[18:21] <nuvolari> it's not a lie
[18:21] <nuvolari> :P
[18:21] <Kilos> what?
[18:22] <nuvolari> twice the processing 
[18:22] <nuvolari> 8 cores
[18:22] <Kilos> haha
[18:29] <inetpro> good evening
[18:30]  * Symmetria looks in from Nairobi 
[18:30] <Symmetria> god Im tired
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: looks like Symmetria doesn't have the latest images of kubuntu on his server
[18:33]  * inetpro looked at http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/
[18:33] <Symmetria> inetpro not my server for a long long time now
[18:33] <Symmetria> :)
[18:33] <Kilos> aw
[18:33] <Symmetria> I left tenet a longgggg time ago
[18:33] <Kilos> Symmetria: wakey wakey
[18:33] <inetpro> guess we'll have to find the images somewhere else
[18:33] <Kilos> hehe
[18:33] <Kilos> aw
[18:34] <Kilos> Symmetria: go back
[18:34] <Symmetria> inetpro heh, mirror.ufs.ac.za might have em, if they dont, wel, Im in bloem in a week or 2 and I plan to sort out all that shit then
[18:34] <Symmetria> kilos heh, never in a million years 
[18:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:34] <Kilos> buy themj out then
[18:34] <Symmetria> no academic organization could afford to pay me what I wanted if I was working full time for them
[18:34] <Kilos> them as well
[18:35] <Symmetria> and Im having far 2 much fun with some of my other clients doing really interesting stuff
[18:35] <nuvolari> Symmetria: how much bandwidth does a mirror for ubuntu use roughly? (per month)
[18:35] <inetpro> ahh, thanks Symmetria
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: look at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[18:35] <Kilos> ai!
[18:36] <Kilos> look at
[18:36] <Symmetria> nuvolari very dependant on how much its accessed, the fill feed though isnt much, coupla mbit a second 4 times a day for proper sync
[18:36] <Symmetria> but on outbound? mirror.ac.za when I was with tenet was doing pretty constant half a gigabit
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: do you have a kubuntu iso to start with?
[18:38] <inetpro> and what is the name of the file?
[18:38] <Kilos> zsync -i kubuntu.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/releasehttp://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[18:38] <nuvolari> anyone watching Homeland?
[18:38] <inetpro> oh and is it i386 or amd64
[18:38] <Kilos> does that look good?
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[18:39] <Kilos> yes i have the one i took off the stick
[18:39] <Kilos> ai!
[18:39] <Kilos> i can also take it off my cd
[18:39] <inetpro> that url will result in error 404
[18:39] <Kilos> oh the space
[18:40] <inetpro> take just http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[18:40] <Symmetria> <3 I get to go in a gulfstream iv shortly
[18:40] <Symmetria> one of my clients needs to get me somewhere and has said they'll send me in their ceo's private jet 
[18:40] <Symmetria> ftw ;p
[18:41] <inetpro> Kilos: and obviously that means you're launching that command from the folder where kubuntu.iso is located
[18:41] <Kilos> desktop 
[18:41] <inetpro> zsync -i kubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[18:42] <Kilos> so what about zsync -i kubuntu.iso
[18:42] <Kilos> thats the start of the commands
[18:42] <inetpro> ai!
[18:42] <inetpro> man zsync
[18:42] <Kilos> ai!
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: syntax: zsync  [  -u url ] [ -i inputfile ] [ -o outputfile ] [ { -s | -q } ] [ -k file.zsync ] [ -A hostname=username:password ] { filename | url }
[18:45] <Kilos> i dunno what all that means man
[18:45] <Kilos> here is a working ubuntu command
[18:45] <Kilos> zsync -i ubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: ai, ai ai!
[18:46] <inetpro> the square brackets mean that a parameter is optional
[18:46] <Squirm> inetpro: wouldn't ubuntu.iso be the output file?
[18:47] <Kilos> so isnt it logical to just change the ubuntu link to the kubuntu link?
[18:47] <inetpro> in other words "[ -u url ]" is optional
[18:47] <inetpro> and so are many of the other options
[18:47] <inetpro> what is not optiona is the either a filename or a url
[18:47] <inetpro> optional as well
[18:48] <Kilos> so only filename | url isnt optional
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: yes
[18:49] <Squirm> so you have to use a filename OR url
[18:49] <inetpro> what that basically would boil down to is that you would have to have a local filename with the same name as in the url
[18:49] <inetpro> and since you don't have such same name you have to specify the -i option
[18:51] <inetpro> but Kilos, I gave the correct command above already
[18:51] <inetpro> 20/03 20:41:58 <inetpro> zsync -i kubuntu.iso http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[18:51] <Kilos> i see that but there it works to a ubuntu iso not kde iso
[18:52] <inetpro> eish!
[18:52] <inetpro> sorry, I didn't see that
[18:52] <inetpro> ai!
[18:52] <inetpro> Kilos: look at the page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[18:53] <inetpro> scroll down all the way
[18:54] <inetpro> 4th last on the list is kubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync  
[18:54] <inetpro> right-click and copy the link location
[18:54] <inetpro> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/kubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[18:55] <inetpro> now add zsync -i kubuntu.iso in fron of the url and you get
[18:55] <inetpro> zsync -i kubuntu.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/kubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[18:55] <inetpro> front*
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: nou waar is jy dan nou?
[18:56] <Kilos> i was scrfolling through the page and saw 4th from last is the one hey
[18:56] <Kilos> scrolling too
[18:56] <inetpro> it has to end with .zsync
[18:57] <Kilos> jy vergeet een oog is blind en die ander sien ook niks
[18:58] <Kilos> now ive read what you said here
[18:58] <Kilos> ty very much
[18:58] <inetpro> that zsync file is basically just a small (1.4MB) file that contains a snapshot of how the big file kubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso (703MB) is assembled
[19:00] <inetpro> and when zsync has downloaded it it will compare your local file, the one you spcified with the -i option, then it will just download bits and pieces that have changed since you last downloaded the previous version
[19:01] <Kilos> oh so its doing like debdelta
[19:01] <inetpro> nou verstaan jy mooi
[19:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:01] <Kilos> dankie boetie
[19:02] <inetpro> the sad reality is that the iso only contains information that fits on a single cd
[19:02] <inetpro> and
[19:03] <inetpro> the iso does not change often
[19:03] <inetpro> only on release dates
[19:03] <Kilos> yeah 4 times in a lts
[19:03] <inetpro> exactly
[19:03] <Kilos> now i gotta stay awake till 11pm
[19:03] <Kilos> sigh
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[19:04] <Kilos> so i can use some night surfer
[19:04] <inetpro> there are many ways to skin a cat
[19:04] <inetpro> you can schedule a command to run later
[19:05] <Kilos> no i like to watch what is going on then i can see net breaks etc
[19:05] <Kilos> i watch the whole thing everytime
[19:05] <Kilos> installs as well
[19:06] <Kilos> sit squeezing thumbs there are no errors
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: just for the fun of it, do you have sox installed?
[19:09] <Kilos> ya
[19:09] <Kilos> swiss army knife?
[19:09] <Kilos> for sound
[19:10] <inetpro> ok, run teh command: play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Sms.ogg
[19:10] <Kilos> i remember you told me that long ago
[19:10] <inetpro> the
[19:10] <inetpro> does it work
[19:10] <inetpro> ?
[19:10] <Kilos> wait man
[19:11]  * inetpro waiting
[19:12] <Kilos> ya it plays
[19:12] <Kilos> wanna see
[19:12] <inetpro> ok
[19:12] <Kilos> ok what?
[19:13] <inetpro> now do the following, type the following and press ENTER: at 21:15
[19:13] <inetpro> play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Sms.ogg
[19:13] <inetpro> press enter again
[19:13] <inetpro> then press Ctrl+d
[19:14] <inetpro> now you better do all that before 21:15 arrived
[19:15] <Kilos> im lost there
[19:15] <inetpro> ai
[19:15] <Kilos> how you press enter at 21.15
[19:16] <inetpro> $ at 21:20
[19:16] <inetpro> warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
[19:16] <inetpro> at> play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Sms.ogg
[19:16] <inetpro> at> <EOT>
[19:16] <inetpro> job 6 at Wed Mar 20 21:20:00 2013
[19:16] <inetpro> that ^^ is what it will look like
[19:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:17] <inetpro> you get <EOT> after pressing ctrl+d to end the at commandline
[19:18] <Kilos> oh ya got it
[19:18] <Kilos> thats a lot of work to listen to that
[19:19] <inetpro> ai!
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm just showing you a simple trick to schedule a job to run at a future time
[19:19] <Kilos> oh
[19:19] <inetpro> and that is just one example
[19:20] <Kilos> no man id mess it up somewhere thats why i rather watch
[19:20] <Kilos> then i can do something about it instead of searching tomorrow for something that didnt work
[19:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:21] <Kilos> hehe
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: testing, testing, testing!!!
[19:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:22] <inetpro> that is what you always have to do
[19:23] <Kilos> testing is fine if you can remeber what you tested man
[19:23] <Kilos> i still gotta find where i put that iso inna safe place
[19:28] <Kilos> and its not on this drive
[19:28] <Kilos> wbb
[20:07] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[20:07] <Kilos> ty sir
[20:07] <Kilos> cant find that iso so copying another one off cd
[20:08]  * inetpro just purchased what might be my last 8ta bundle for a long time
[20:09] <Kilos> you not going for the 10g for 199 a month?
[20:10] <Kilos> 2 years at that price sounds good to me
[20:19] <inetpro> who knows
[20:19] <inetpro> perhaps in a year's time it will be expensive
[20:20] <Kilos> wont be nice to go back to voda. 
[20:27] <inetpro> why not?
[20:29] <Kilos> they werent very stable here remember
[20:29] <Kilos> lotsa downtime
[20:30] <inetpro> talk is cheap; money buys whiskey
[20:30] <Kilos> huh?
[20:30] <inetpro> if the price is right I will buy voda again
[20:30] <Kilos> oh
[20:30] <Kilos> lol
[21:08] <inetpro> Kilos: gaan slaap!
[21:09] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[21:09] <Kilos> ok nag inetpro en ander
[21:09] <inetpro> good night
[21:09] <Kilos> was amper klaar aan die slaap