[00:41] <Craig> is libproxy necessary for kde-full to be installed over ubuntu server
[01:25] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1094360] qt4 apps such as vlc: QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme unless libgnom... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1094360 (by Doug McMahon)
[01:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'll check upstream
[03:52] <ScottK> Riddell: You probably saw this already, but if you didn't I thought you'd be interested to know your English imperialists have at least got something right. http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240179643/Government-mandates-preference-for-open-source
[06:54] <soee> good morning
[07:10] <soee> is there libctemplate0 package for raring ?
[07:12] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1157753] knotify4 crashed with SIGSEGV in _int_malloc() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1157753 (by Marcos K)
[07:25] <shadeslayer> !find libctemplate0
[07:25] <shadeslayer> !find libctemplate0 raring
[07:26] <shadeslayer> I always forget raring at the end :/
[07:26] <shadeslayer> soee: nope
[07:26] <soee> yeah i downloaded it manually
[07:27] <soee> but mysql workbench is broken anyway on 13.04 :<
[07:28] <shadeslayer> yeah that thing is broken as far as 11.10 IIRC
[07:29] <soee> it worked fine on 12.10 :/
[07:29] <shadeslayer> oh
[07:29] <shadeslayer> guess someone fixed it then
[08:03] <tazz> Riddell, +1 to "please don't ever stop working on/for Kubuntu."
[08:04] <valorie> yes!
[08:04] <valorie> that was awesome
[08:04] <agateau> soee: looking for a homerun developer?
[08:05] <soee> hi, agateau 
[08:05] <soee> agateau, is it possible to sort manually items in favourites section ?
[08:05] <agateau> soee: right now you have to edit the configuration file by hand :(
[08:06] <agateau> soee: that's one of the most wanted feature
[08:06] <soee> agateau, yes thats what im missing most :)
[08:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell do either of you know anything about LP's derived distro feature?
[09:07] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1158181] Kubuntu uses two virtual desktops as a default @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1158181 (by Martin Gräßlin)
[09:10] <jussi> yay
[09:11] <jussi> I just managed to crash krunner...
[09:19] <jussi> bug here if anyone is interested: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317116
[09:19] <Tm_T> was there a way to have ubuntu's crashandler disabled with one app?
[09:22] <shadeslayer> yes
[09:22] <shadeslayer> whoopsie
[09:23] <shadeslayer> so purge whoopsie and voila, no crash reporting
[09:23] <shadeslayer> oh god, so sleepy post lunch
[09:24] <jussi> Tm_T: sudo nano /etc/default/apport  
[09:25] <jussi> you can turn it off there
[09:25] <jussi> Tm_T: although I read you as saying you just want it off for 1 app
[09:25] <jussi> but on for the rest? 
[09:30] <jussi> shadeslayer: power nap then coffee. works a charm
[09:30] <shadeslayer> yeah that's what I'm thinking
[09:31] <Tm_T> jussi: yes
[09:31] <Tm_T> Konqueror is crashing and apport fails to do anything
[09:34] <shadeslayer> !find resource/facebookresource.h raring
[09:50] <soee> tanglu will use KDE ?
[09:52] <shadeslayer> soee: since it's started by a KDE Contributor, yes 
[09:52] <soee> shadeslayer, Jayson Rowe ?
[09:54] <shadeslayer> no, Matthias Klumpp
[09:54] <soee> shadeslayer, what is his nickname on irc ?
[09:54] <shadeslayer> ximion
[09:54] <soee> ok thank you :) good to kniw
[09:54] <shadeslayer> np :)
[09:58] <yofel_> hm, our live session still has 2 virtual desktops
[09:59] <yofel_> because our kubuntu-settings kwinrc still isn't used..
[10:04] <shadeslayer> :|
[10:05] <shadeslayer> anyone using dput-ng ?
[10:05] <mgraesslin> yofel: also the installed image
[10:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: what's the -ng part?
[10:06] <shadeslayer> next generation
[10:06] <yofel> mgraesslin: meh, feared as much
[10:06] <shadeslayer> like star trek :p
[10:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: yeah... but what's -ng about it....
[10:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[10:06] <mgraesslin> yofel: I reported a bug for it
[10:06] <shadeslayer> well, I don't know about dput, but with -ng you can write your own pre upload and post upload hooks
[10:06]  * mgraesslin installed Kubuntu raring yesterday on a notebook
[10:07] <shadeslayer> I'm thinking of writing one right now for work stuff
[10:07]  * mgraesslin was very close to writing a rant on how bad Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) is
[10:07] <yofel> mgraesslin: already commented on it - but I fear that someone will have to take the whole config generation process apart to find out what's wrong :/
[10:07] <shadeslayer> I can have a look at that 
[10:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: ++
[10:07] <shadeslayer> seeing how I spent so much time working with configs over the last 6 months
[10:09] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: bug number plz
[10:10] <mgraesslin> 1158181
[10:10] <shadeslayer> thx
[10:10] <mgraesslin> I had huge issues to report the bug - just to say
[10:10] <shadeslayer> hah
[10:11] <mgraesslin> it seems like Launchpad doesn't want you to report bugs
[10:11] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1083060] packages kde-workspace-bin 4.9.80-0ubuntu5 and kde-window-manager-common 4.9.80-0ubuntu5 c... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1083060 (by zigi)
[10:12] <yofel> mgraesslin: it's more ubuntu not wanting you to *start* on launchpad with the reporting
[10:12] <mgraesslin> for an upstream that's annoying
[10:12] <mgraesslin> I tend to report bugs to distro trackers without running the distribution
[10:14] <mgraesslin> but to be honest: reporting bugs to debian is even more annoying
[10:18] <shadeslayer> haha
[10:21] <shadeslayer> er wait
[10:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:25] <shadeslayer> hi lordievader
[10:26] <lordievader> Hey shadeslayer, how are you?
[10:28] <shadeslayer> sleepy
[10:28] <yofel> join the club
[10:38] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:38] <shadeslayer> ohmy
[10:38] <shadeslayer> wow
[10:38] <shadeslayer> yofel: I think dput-ng can tweet about your uploads
[10:38] <shadeslayer> this hook screams social media so loud my ears hurt
[10:39] <yofel> ...
[10:40] <shadeslayer> I need something that is trigerred when I upload to a PPA
[10:41] <shadeslayer> and a specific PPA at that
[11:59] <jr> konversation can do colours
[11:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:59] <shadeslayer> hey jr
[12:00] <jr> ᐇ
[12:00] <shadeslayer> weirdness
[12:10] <agateau> lordievader: ping
[12:11] <lordievader> agateau: pong
[12:11] <agateau> lordievader: hi, I was trying to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1154535
[12:11] <agateau> but the buttons go away for me. Do you still have the problem?
[12:12] <lordievader> agateau: I'll have to download a daily and test it, is it allright that I get back to you about this later?
[12:13] <agateau> lordievader: sure, no problem
[12:15] <shadeslayer> jr: will we be able to get 4.10.2 into raring before the release?
[12:16] <yofel> shadeslayer: should work out looking at the schedule
[12:17] <yofel> after beta though
[12:17] <shadeslayer> well then
[12:17] <shadeslayer> vHanda: ^ no rush, release a new soprano with 4.10.2
[12:17] <yofel> that is a bugfix soprano... right?
[12:17] <vHanda> yes
[12:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah why wouldn't we?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seemed like a tight fit
[12:29] <txwikinger> congrats to raring.. I really love it
[12:30] <txwikinger> No problems so far and I am using it for a week now
[12:32] <txwikinger> lots of issus I had for 2-3 releases are fixed
[12:38] <Riddell> txwikinger: yay
[12:40] <txwikinger> Good work Riddell!
[12:42] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[12:52] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I know it exists.  It's what's used to make Debian -> Ubuntu syncs.
[12:52] <shadeslayer> I see
[12:54] <yofel> interesting
[12:54] <shadeslayer> shoot, I had to build qtwebkit today
[12:54] <shadeslayer> with that webkit+http patch :/
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ sorry, forgot about it 
[12:54] <shadeslayer> maybe tomorrow
[12:54] <shadeslayer> if I don't go mad from trying to build gstreamer
[12:57] <BluesKaj> since VLC is my video player I've been using vlc backend in phonon with good results , especially on videos with AC-3 DD soundtracks 
[12:57] <BluesKaj> and DTS as well
[12:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:59] <shadeslayer> that's because pgst has been neglected
[12:59] <shadeslayer> I also found out this morning that YUV probably doesn't work on the current release
[12:59] <BluesKaj> pgst? shadeslayer
[12:59] <shadeslayer> phonon gstreamer
[13:00] <shadeslayer> and then I found this a couple of minutes ago https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696282
[13:00] <shadeslayer> so yuv4mpeg is broken on gstreamer 1.0
[13:00] <BluesKaj> gstreamer is ok for avi files that are 2ch stereo
[13:01] <shadeslayer> well, seeing how gst is the default backend on Kubuntu I'm trying to improve it
[13:01] <shadeslayer> hopefully it'll be as good as the vlc backend
[13:03] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, right, keep up the good work
[13:03] <BluesKaj> :)
[13:11] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:19] <lordievader> agateau: Bug 1154535 is still present for me, daily i386 Raring.
[13:20] <Riddell> agateau: how are you testing it?
[13:20] <Riddell> I seem to remember testing oem-config in its native environment is faffy
[13:21] <agateau> Riddell: running ubiquity with UBIQUITY_OEM_USER_CONFIG=1 ubiquity -d kde_ui
[13:21] <agateau> lordievader: just to avoid any confusion: the back/continue buttons are visible during the slideshow, right?
[13:22] <lordievader> agateau: No, during the oem-config. Last stage of the oem-install, where the 'user' startup the system for the first time <- that wizard.
[13:24] <agateau> lordievader: oooh
[13:25] <lordievader> agateau: Ubiquity calls it oem-config ("oem-config will be run on the next start-up")
[13:25] <agateau> lordievader: bare with me as I know next to nothing about the oem install. Is this wizard provided by ubiquity as well?
[13:25] <agateau> is it a different binary?
[13:25] <Riddell> agateau: yes it's part of ubiquity
[13:25] <Riddell> it runs the language and user setup pages
[13:25] <lordievader> agateau: Your guess is a good as mine.
[13:26] <agateau> lordievader: :)
[13:26] <lordievader> And probably better ;)
[13:26] <Riddell> so when you buy a computer it's the first thing you see
[13:26] <agateau> I get it
[13:26] <agateau> Riddell: any simple way to test it?
[13:27] <lordievader> That is the idea. agateau If you get the change could you take a look at the design of it too? Now it is just lots of gray, would be nice to have the slideshow there too :)
[13:27] <agateau> lordievader: if I ever get to know how to run it, I can look at it :)
[13:28]  * Riddell installs oem-config to see what happens when run locally
[13:28] <agateau> Riddell: you probably want oem-config-kde
[13:29] <agateau> do we have vendors using it?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> probably
[13:30] <Riddell> system 78 at least
[13:30] <shadeslayer> 78 ... hahaha
[13:31] <Riddell> hmm, it runs locally but I'm feart to go past the last stage, who knows what it could break
[13:31] <Riddell> oh sod it
[13:31] <shadeslayer> use a vm
[13:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell lives on the edge :p
[13:31] <Riddell> agateau: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/oem-config.png
[13:32] <Riddell> crazy times
[13:32] <lordievader> ^ that's the one
[13:32] <agateau> lordievader: hu ok, it may need some love :)
[13:32] <lordievader> agateau: :)
[13:33] <agateau> just found out the binary is named oem-config-prepare
[13:33] <Riddell> agateau: it's just "oem-config"
[13:33] <Riddell> agateau: oem-config-prepare is what gets run to set it up for running "oem-config" on next boot
[13:34] <genii-around> Does lightdm use tty1? When login screen is up I can only get tty2-6, after login tty1 is available
[13:34] <agateau> Riddell: oh ok
[13:35] <Riddell> so it's ubiquity install -> reboot -> set up computer and run oem-config-prepare -> reboot -> sell laptop -> oem-config runs on first boot
[13:36]  * xnox likes the "sell laptop" step.
[13:36] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[13:37] <agateau> Riddell: I think this would make a good addition to doc/README
[13:39] <agateau> oh, oem-config is a symlink to ubiquity
[13:41] <Riddell> agateau: yep
[13:41]  * genii-around kicks his computer
[13:42] <Riddell> if I install ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu it successfully shows it
[13:42] <Riddell> so I think the issue is just that gets uninstalled before oem-config gets run
[13:42] <agateau> Riddell: ok, so creating a symlink for it, it should work
[13:42] <agateau> Riddell: which would not be a regression I introduced (for a change :))
[13:44] <agateau> Riddell: would be interesting to look at how Ubuntu handle this package issue
[13:48] <Riddell> oh there's a oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu
[13:51] <Riddell> which is installed by ubiquity/finish-install.d/01oem-config-udeb
[13:52] <Riddell> new in quantal
[13:52] <Riddell> hmm
[13:52] <agateau> is it a different slideshow?
[13:52] <Riddell> dunno, different package, not sure what's different about contents
[13:52] <Riddell> shouldn't be too hard to mirror
[13:52]  * Riddell adds to the days todo list
[13:53] <agateau> btw, did you run oem-config to the end?
[13:53] <Riddell> agateau: dunno it just disappeared from my screen
[13:53] <xnox> bug 984736 ?
[13:53] <Riddell> and I wasn't paying attention
[13:53] <agateau> so it did not wreck your computer?
[13:53] <xnox> * Always install oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu in OEM mode, also for
[13:53] <xnox>     alternate installs (LP: #984736)
[13:54] <Riddell> agateau: well I've not rebooted or logged out yet :)
[13:54] <agateau> xnox: looks like it
[13:54] <Riddell> agateau: but seems fairly safe
[13:54] <Riddell> agateau: it'll make a new user
[13:54]  * agateau press "Continue"
[13:55] <agateau> Mmm, since I have the slideshow package installed, I get the slideshow
[13:56] <agateau> and the navigation buttons are hidden, I guess lordievader bug is actually caused by the slideshow not loading, which prevents the code from reaching the point where it hides the buttons
[13:56]  * agateau checks the code to verify he does not speak nonsense
[13:56] <Riddell> agateau: oh aye they do disappear
[13:57] <agateau> I noticed two other problems though
[13:57] <agateau> 1. the button to cancel downloads is missing an icon
[13:57] <lordievader> agateau: Did you fix it? Nice :)
[13:57] <agateau> 2. the button to cancel downloads actually does nothing
[13:58] <Riddell> lordievader: we know what needs to be done to fix it
[13:58] <agateau> lordievader: I did not really fix it, but getting the slideshow installed should take care of both the ugly content and the buttons not hiding
[13:58] <lordievader> Oh wel that is great ;)
[13:59] <agateau> Riddell: so does it mean it was broken in quantal as well?
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: dunno, we did test it and you'd think it would be the sort of thing you'd notice but it should be broken according to what we've found
[14:03] <Riddell> but nobody noticed it as broken including me
[14:03] <agateau> ok
[14:04] <agateau> I just reverted ubiquity to before I started working on it: looks like the cancel button near the progress bar was never plugged to anything
[14:04] <agateau> I wonder if we should fix it or just remove the button
[14:04] <agateau> Riddell: what do you think?
[14:05] <xnox> agateau: it should be plugged in base.py as ubiquity backend activates it.
[14:05] <agateau> xnox: ah, was about to ask you how hard it was to implement :)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> well, ubiquity on the Raring live cd has been broken for my system since Jan .
[14:05] <xnox> (e.g. it is expected to be available, it's only activated at certain points of installation)
[14:06] <agateau> xnox: yes, it shows and hides correctly already, just doesn't do anything
[14:06]  * agateau looks for bug report about this