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lenDoes anyone running either 12.04 or 12.10 as a VB guest and have a funtioning scroll wheel?  It works in neither version for me, but works in other non-ubuntu linux guests.01:57
amingvlen: It works for me (though I'm using 13.04)02:19
amingvlen: maybe try installing virtualbox-guest-dkms and virtualbox-guest-x11 in the guest machine02:20
maroonfireyo02:33
maroonfiretalk pls02:35
lenamingv, Is mouse integration enabled?02:40
lenHave guest additions installed and working well except for the scroll02:40
lenscroll works if I disable mouse integration, but that is even more inconvenient than  no scroll wheel02:43
amingvlen: yes, I have MI enabled02:52
amingvjust set up this machine a couple hours ago, too, so I literally have nothing on it besides the base system and guest additions02:53
amingvI didn't check if scroll worked before guest additions, though02:53
lenMaybe I should 13.04 to see if that fixes it.02:54
lenScroll wheel goesn't even trigger events in xev in 12.04 and 12.1002:55
lenIf there is a fix in 13.04 I sure hope they backport it, because I'm going to need a copy of the LTS around for a while.02:57
amingvYou can try 13.04, though I don't think you should be having that issue in 12.x anyway02:59
amingvI've had VMs with older versions of kubuntu and don't remember having issues03:00
lenI am having no issue with other non-buntu linux guests03:00
amingvThough I realize my anecdote is not very helpful to you :)03:00
lenI am only having the scroll button issue--everything else is working fine03:00
amingvWhat's your host OS?03:02
lenopenSUSE 12.303:02
amingvWait, go back one sec03:03
amingvYour issue is with the scroll button or the scroll wheel?03:03
amingvOr both?03:03
lenscroll wheel03:03
amingvOh, k :)03:04
lenI don't have it open right now cause I have too many other tasks going, but I seem to recall the wheel working as a button, just not as a wheel03:04
amingvFunny, in my case it works like a wheel but not as a button03:05
len:) That IS strange.03:06
amingvWhich I'm pretty fine with, never would have noticed it03:06
amingv:)03:06
lenWell I use the icon-only task manager and the wheel button is used to launch new instances.03:06
amingvLemme see something real quick03:07
lenK03:07
lenJust checked, and it is indeed working as a button03:13
amingvI plugged another mouse, middle button worked on that one, plugged the old one and middle button works on it as well03:16
amingvthis is the sort of stull that makes me feel very stupid03:16
amingvstuff*03:16
lenAs a button and as a wheel?03:16
amingvyup03:17
lenHmm.  Guess I'd better give 13.04 a try.  I'd be nice to know what they changed.03:18
amingvI guess nothing's lost by trying03:20
amingvlen: fwiw I just set up another machine (13.04) and could replicate what you were experiencing (no scroll, yes click, works when MI is disabled)04:06
amingvlen: but it was fixed as soon as I installed guest aditions04:06
lenhmm.  I'll try reinstalling Guest additions.04:07
lenAre you using the ubuntu packages or the script from Oracle?04:08
amingvsince the guest additions module is compiled on the spot you might want to double check that it is compiling and installing correctly04:08
amingvubuntu packages04:08
lenHmm.  That is strange.  I uninstalled the ubuntu packages and installed the newest oracle ones, and it's working now.  Had those originally before switching to packages, now came back again and it works.04:43
amingvlen: A bit strange, but glad you could sort it out :)04:55
lenamingv, I'm not entirely sure What worked though, becuase I added a mouse config section to xorg.conf with extra buttom mapping that some debian user did having a similar problem.04:57
lenNot sure if that helped or not04:57
lenamingv, do you have a mouse config file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d?05:02
amingvnope, any day I don't mess with xorg.conf is a good day :)05:03
amingvIf the VM is not passing the input events on to the guest there's very little Xorg can do about it, though, so my guess would be that the change to xorg.conf is not what fixed it05:03
lenvirtual driver config pointing to /dev/vbox/quest05:04
len/dev/vboxguest05:04
amingvthere's a very simple way to test anyway05:06
amingvmv xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup05:06
amingvif the mapping keeps working then it has nothing to do with xorg05:07
amingvif it stops working just mv xorg.conf.backup xorg.conf and it's set again :)05:07
lenI'm using my xorg.conf for some other things though.  could comment out, but I'll just try to fix the LTS image, without doing that and see if it works05:08
lenthen add it if it doesn't05:09
amingvthat's cool05:10
geomyidaeWhat goes on in #kubuntu+1?05:12
geomyidaeAlso, The LightDM KCM module seems quite borken in Kubuntu 13.04 beta 1 :(05:12
lenThey should just switch back to kdm.  Don't think they need to tow the Ubuntu line as closely anymore and have LightDM just to have same.  KDM was made for KDE and that is what Kubunut users use or they'd be using Ubuntu.05:15
geomyidaeI'm not even sure KDE is sticking it out with KDM based on what I've been reading about KDE next05:16
geomyidaebut I have no love affair with any login screen to be honest. I'd just like one I can configure. The LightDM theme it ships with is an eyesore to the extreme. I'll throw KDM on and check it out05:16
lenFor what reasons?  I've never had any issues with KDM05:16
geomyidaehttps://plus.google.com/107555540696571114069/posts/UX7d3uKJ6qe05:17
geomyidaeI think it has to do with Wayland05:17
geomyidaeand https://plus.google.com/107555540696571114069/posts/Usp7uoYayDR05:17
lenOh, well that is a whole other kettle of fish.  They might all have issue with that.05:18
geomyidaeWell SDDM is already written in Qt5 uses QML/QtQuick, and the default theme is dead sexy05:18
geomyidaeI'm hoping to see the Qt desktops rally around it, esp since it's dev is already working on getting a system compositor ready for wayland support05:19
geomyidaes/it's/its/05:19
lenOK, I amend my statement to just go with whatever DM KDE goes with.05:21
lenRather than what Ubuntu uses05:21
geomyidaeYeah, makes sense. Seems like the DM isn't terribly coupled to the rest of it anyway05:22
geomyidaeLast time I actually installed Kubuntu it was using KDM I thought05:22
lenI am pretty sure Ubuntu will not base it's decision on what DM to use  based on how well it works with KDE :)05:23
amingvgeomyidae: kubuntu's been using lightdm for at least a couple releases now05:24
geomyidaewell, with Mir and all that jazz, I'm just LightDM is going to be a mess anyway05:24
lenor wayland for that matter, since they want to roll their own05:24
amingvlightdm is pretty great, too, but Canonical's CLA is a turnoff for many )05:25
geomyidaeamingv: yeah, it's been a really long time since I installed kubuntu, just recently went from gnome-shell to cinnamon to KDE and am really loving KDE so I decided to install kubuntu instead05:25
geomyidaeI dunna, but I knew I liked SDDM before Aaron's post about KDM vs LightDM vs SDDM and it certainly only reinforced my opinion05:26
lenKDE is nicely mature now.05:26
amingvchecked sddm too and I agree it's as sexy as they come05:26
amingvkinda pushing for it :)05:26
geomyidaeI think /right after/ Aaron wrote that post too he found out that SDDM is being used by maui and learned of Green Island which I think he found intriguing based on the G+ discussions05:27
amingvYeah05:28
amingvI would assume whatever they pick they'd write the UI in QML anyway05:29
amingvSo SDDM makes a lot of sense that way05:29
lenI hope whatever they choose has a config setting to set x dpi like kdm.  That is the most reliable place to do it.  Every other method stops working after a while and I have to find a new way.05:30
geomyidaeoh god, I tried to tweak my DPI (or really PPI) and gave up quickly05:31
lengoogle on it and you will get like 25 way, but most no longer work :)05:32
lenkeeps changing.05:32
lenSetting it in kdmrc always works though05:33
lenServerArgsLocal=-dpi 96 -nolisten tcp05:34
lenreplace 96 with whatever you need05:34
lenThat is why replacement DM better have that feature too :)05:35
geomyidaeanother thing I'm sure will be complicated by wayland05:36
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lenI have one monitor that reports two different resolutions05:37
lenand the non-native one always gets picked up first05:37
lenand used to calc dpi05:37
lenso I always need to override it05:37
lenWho would use a LCD monitor in non-native res anyway?!05:38
lenThey look terrible that way05:38
lenThat is why you should be able to adjust the dpi easily -- so you can adjust sizing without resorting to crazy things like using non-native monitor res05:41
lenI'd love to have a desktop "retina" display.05:42
geomyidaelen, it's not retina, but I have one of those Korean IPS displays from ebay.05:43
lenbut they always short-change the desktop monitor with crappy res05:43
geomyidaeApple Cinema display quality for $35005:43
geomyidae2560x1440 27"05:43
lenI was just looking at those.05:43
lenSeems like the best deal you can get now.05:43
geomyidaeCrossover 27Q, metal chassis, looks sharp.05:44
lenThink they carry one at Micro Center now too05:44
geomyidaemine happens to be pixel perfect as well, can't find anything to complain about it, but you have to have dual link dvi, etc.05:44
geomyidaeOh you're near a microcenter, nice.05:44
geomyidaemonoprice is stocking something similar but they're matte and the base isn't fully removable (wtf!)05:44
lenI heard it is kind of hit or miss  because they are using 2nds or something to get such a cheap price.05:45
lenYou're lucky to get pixel perfect!05:45
geomyidaeyeah, I've heard that as well, I might pick up another one soon, I'll let you know if I get as lucky05:45
lenWere you worried?05:45
geomyidaenah, for the savings, I would have put up with a few dead/stuck/ whatever pixels05:45
lenWhich model did you get?05:46
geomyidaecrossover 27q05:46
geomyidaefully removable stand, metal chassis, quite nice imo, looks much more stylish than my samsung or hanns-g monitors05:46
lenSounds good.  Wish I had one. TWO would be even cooler. :)05:47
len2nd monitor is great for running a VM in Full screen05:48
lenseems like two complete computers05:48
lenwith added bonus of cut/paste between05:48
geomyidaeI'm imaging the stress on a video card of 1440x5020 and a VM virtual graphics driver on top of that05:49
geomyidae:P05:49
lenI'm doing 1600x1200 main + 1920x1080 VM using Twinview with no stress05:50
lenon just a Nvidia 980005:51
lenI think four 27" monitors would be good.  Center, Right, Left, and UP overhead above the center one cocked forward 45 degrees :)05:54
* amingv is going to catch some Zs06:02
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stacky1is it possible to internal upgrade kubuntu from 12.10 to 13.04 using an iso image ?08:15
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lordievaderGood morning10:24
KittyKittenKatHello, everyone! I am new to Kubuntu, and would like to know so much more about it!10:42
KittyKittenKatAs in, is it a good upgrade, or maybe just something you'd VirtualBox on your existing computer? What are the features? The ups, the downs, the ugly?10:43
lordievaderHey KittyKittenKat10:43
KittyKittenKatHello lordievader10:43
lordievaderKittyKittenKat: I currently have Kubuntu as my main OS :)10:43
KittyKittenKatis kubuntu a good upgrade, or maybe just something you'd VirtualBox on your existing computer? What are the features? The ups, the downs, the ugly?10:44
KittyKittenKatI like windows as it is, maybe getting a mac10:44
KittyKittenKatidk!10:44
lordievader!patience | KittyKittenKat10:44
ubottuKittyKittenKat: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/10:44
KittyKittenKatmeh no, im just asking is it good or not?10:44
lordievaderKittyKittenKat: For me Kubuntu/Linux is a great OS. However I still have Windows installed for a few programs.10:45
lordievaderKittyKittenKat: True, but you are asking twice a minute ;)10:45
KittyKittenKatOh, so you vbox it, or do u vbox windows in kubuntu10:45
KittyKittenKatsorry about the vbox, you can replace that with parralllels, multiboot whatever.10:45
lordievaderKittyKittenKat: No I have it installed like regular. Dual-booting Windows.10:46
KittyKittenKatoh10:46
KittyKittenKatok :) I'll porbably use the Wubi installer when i get my OWN laptop or my PC starts working again10:47
lordievaderKittyKittenKat: I'd stay away from Wubi. It is a nice idea at first, but once you get into Linux more it is just a huge limiting factor.10:47
KittyKittenKatdang! well i just opened vvbox and ready to use the live cd in it before i live cd my pc for real10:48
KittyKittenKatwell actually i used wubi for ubuntu and it ran fine10:49
lordievaderKittyKittenKat: It runs fine, sure. But it is still a nasty thing...10:49
KittyKittenKatooh kubuntu looks nice10:49
KittyKittenKatim just vbox-ing it now! it looks awesome10:50
KittyKittenKatokaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...10:50
lordievaderKittyKittenKat: Wubi installs the Kubuntu installation on your Windows partition as a file. This file is limited to 30 Gb. The bootloader also becomes quite the mess.10:52
KittyKittenKatoh.10:52
KittyKittenKatWell, I just got the Live CD image and put in VirtualBox. So far I am going to like Kubuntu!10:52
lordievaderThat is good to hear though :)10:53
KittyKittenKatOh yes it is! Ill maybe ditch the Mac i want, and use Kubuntu. It's free and I can probably use it to rescue my computer, if i get the power button working again10:53
KittyKittenKathmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i am ddefinetly going Kubuntu. Looks as beautiful as Mac OS X, comes with everything i need (office etc)10:55
KittyKittenKati tried linux mint 9 but it doesnt load on my PC, so Kubuntu will10:55
lordievader:)10:55
KittyKittenKathopefully10:55
KittyKittenKatnow i have a cd to burn, an iso to use and a pc to save (HOPEFULLY!) i can try kubuntu whenever i please (thank u live CD!)10:58
KittyKittenKatim leaving now, i have some business to do10:58
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BluesKajG'Day all12:42
ELencher_howdy12:49
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BluesKajhi ELencher_12:50
lordievaderHey ELencher_, how are you?12:50
ELencher_excellent you?12:51
lordievaderDoing good too :)12:51
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Guest47816Hello all16:01
BluesKajhi Guest4781616:04
alainusi have no audio strangely. I noticed an error a few days ago: "audio device is not working... falling back to the default one." i dismissed it as i thought it would fix itself on the next reboot but it didn't. Where can i configure that in KDE?16:06
Guest47816I would like to build a program that does one of two things. option a would be to boot from a USB key and copy desired folders and or files, the second is to auto run on any OS and copy the files16:11
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baxeicohi, any hope to see kdevelop 4.4.1 in Kubuntu 12.04 backports?16:26
BluesKajalainus, system settings>multimedia> phonon>device preference , test the audio of the listed devices and move the one that works to the top with the prefer button16:26
BluesKajbaxeico, kdevelop 4.4.1 should be in the repositories by now16:28
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baxeicoBluesKaj: do you mean 12.04 repositories?16:30
BluesKajwell it's in the 13.04 repos16:30
alainusBluesKaj, there's just one and it doesn't work ... see http://i.imgur.com/Vz9huxM.png16:31
baxeicoI'll stick with LTS until the next one16:31
BluesKajalainus, open the audio hardware setup tab and set the device inputs there as well , then open alsamixer in the terminal and use the arrow keys to navigate turm up the volume controls , and unmute with M key if needed16:33
alainusBluesKaj, that worked. why were all the outputs muted?16:37
BluesKajalainus, upgrades will do that sometimes ...it's a mystery to me , why :P16:39
alainusBluesKaj, thanks !16:39
BluesKajnp alainus16:39
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HoockStarhi leuts16:40
HoockStarhey16:41
bennohey leuts16:44
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BluesKajHoockStar, leuts ?16:45
HoockStar?leuts? kennst du das nicht?16:45
Pici!de16:45
ubottuIn den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!16:45
BluesKaj!de | HoockStar16:45
ubottuHoockStar: please see above16:45
HoockStarah, sorry and thx16:47
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Guest47816how do I have a USB key bootable16:55
bazhang!unetbootin | Guest4781617:05
ubottuGuest47816: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent17:05
lupo_emm holaa17:11
bazhang!es | lupo_17:12
ubottulupo_: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro.17:12
lupo_hello everyone17:12
lupo_¡17:12
lupo_are there anyone here?17:12
goodtimeyes17:13
lupo_hello17:13
lupo_who are you?17:13
goodtimehi17:13
bazhanglupo_, what is your kubuntu support question17:13
goodtimeim goodtime17:13
lupo_i know...17:13
lupo_where do you live?17:14
goodtimewhat is your kubuntu support question17:14
goodtime[03/21/13 13:13] <goodtime> im goodtime17:14
bazhanglupo_, this is not the chat channel17:14
bazhang!ot | lupo_17:14
ubottulupo_: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!17:14
lupo_iḿ sorry17:14
lupo_i am new here17:14
BluesKajludwig_, no need to be sorry , new ppl are always welcome17:23
BluesKajoops , wrong nick17:24
Guest47816question How do I make a .sh file run at boot17:26
keyvinGuest47816 put it in /etc/rc.local17:27
Guest47816its on a bootable usb17:27
keyvinI am having a weird issue with desktop effects and a radeon 7870. It happens under the OS and binary driver17:29
keyvinwhen I resize a terminal, X crashes back to the login screen17:29
keyvinanyone have this or know how to fix it?17:29
keyvindisabling desktop effects is my current workaround17:29
keyvinGuest, I am not sure exactly what you are asking for. You can mount the thumbdrive from rc.local. or add it to the fstab. Then you can run the script17:30
keyvinfrom rc.local17:30
lordievaderGuest47816: What kevin says, however I'd make a startup script of it: have the startup script mount the thumbdrive and run the script.17:32
lordievaderGuest47816: Startup scripts are located in /etc/init/17:32
Guest47816I want everything to be on the thumbdrive17:33
lordievaderGuest47816: Is it an option to run the script every time you plug it in?17:34
Guest47816I used unetbootin to make a ubuntu 10 USB drive17:37
Guest47816so all data needs to be on the USB drive17:37
Guest47816ill be back in a few17:39
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Copper_back17:56
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Guest6407I made the USB stick boot to the install of Ubuntu not to a shell thats on the USB stick17:58
Guest6407Id like to have a USB stick that can be booted to thta give me  a konsole18:00
Guest6407...but its good to know how to make it the way it is at the moment18:00
lordievaderGuest6407: Let me get this straight, you want a usb stick that boots to the command-line?18:11
Guest6407ya, what I have is a iso thats been put on a usb... tried fdisk dev/sdd1 and that didnt work18:12
lordievaderGuest6407: Can you boot from the usb-stick? It's not very difficult to boot to a console (if you don't require X)18:15
Guest6407it boot to a ubuntu server install18:16
lordievaderGuest6407: You want to make a live-usb using a traditional Desktop cd.18:16
lordievaderGuest6407: The server version doesn't come with a live-session.18:16
Guest6407thats all I want is the live session... not the option to install18:17
lordievaderGuest6407: Use unetbootin or the build-in usb-creator to make a live-usb.18:18
Guest6407built in18:18
lordievaderGuest6407: Yes use one of the two to create a live-usb from the normal (K)Ubuntu Desktop cd, not the server cd.18:19
Guest6407ok18:20
lordievaderGuest6407: Hmm, just thought of something, my original method wont work, I think. Due to it being a squashfs.18:24
lordievaderGuest6407: What I had in mind was disableing the lightDM service. But I have a feeling you cannot write to it. Might be wrong though.18:25
bk_testing18:31
bk_ls18:31
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FloodBotK1bk_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.18:31
Guest6407All I have is Live , HDmedia and Netinstalls... Which to me means the install media for the OS not making the USB bootable18:31
bazhangbk_, please use #test for that18:32
lordievader!test | bk_18:32
ubottubk_: Testing... Testing... 1. 2.. 3... ( by the way, remember that you can use /join #test )18:32
lordievaderGuest6407: Select Live, however have you read my other messages?18:33
Guest6407yes... Ill try it and see18:34
lordievaderGuest33916: Hope it works...18:34
lordievaderGuest33916: Else you can still get there, but it involves a lot more work.18:35
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rosco_yI try to run "gparted", after I enter sudo password, it does nothing--what do I need to do to run gparted?21:12
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rosco_yI just bought a new hd, I'm thinking of dividing it into two partitions--they will be used for data storage (backups, isos etc.)  Should I use ext4 or something else?21:27
lordievaderrosco_y: Why don't you use the KDE partition editor?21:28
lordievaderrosco_y: Will the partitions be used in Windows(/Mac)?21:28
rosco_ylordievader: ty, I am using the KDE partition editor....21:29
rosco_yI'm using ubuntu21:29
rosco_yI'm planning on hosting at least one windows vm on one of the parts tho21:29
rosco_yshoot, I have kiddie problems over here---dad has to manage the situation(s) for a while......21:30
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lordievaderrosco_y: Why gparted then? Anyhow, for a Windows VM the filesystem-type doesn't matter, only when you want to mount the partitions under Windows. Windows cannot mount ext4, but ext4 is the preferred Linux filesystem nowadays.21:32
rosco_ylordievader: ty, I suppose my questions bubble up from the fact that I am as noobie as they get....:)21:35
rosco_ycan I use the KDE Partion Manager to configure fstab?21:36
rosco_y"AH'LL BE BACK!"21:37
lordievaderrosco_y: No, I believe you cannot. Do you know how to use UUID in fstab?21:37
rosco_yNo, that sounds way out of my pay-grade....21:38
lordievaderrosco_y: It ain't that hard ;), and it is quite usefull.21:38
rosco_ylordievader: ty, I'll google that and see if I can get the job done :)21:39
lordievaderrosco_y: Here is one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingUUID21:39
rosco_yGreat--Thanks@21:39
lordievaderNot very well explained if you ask me... Anyhow if you have questions about it feel free to ping me.21:39
rosco_yoops, that was supposed to be "Thanks!"21:40
lordievaderrosco_y: No problem ;)21:40
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rosco_yCan anyone recommend software for keeping work backed up to a hard drive?22:57
roneyrosco_y: What do you mean? What kind of work?22:58
rosco_yroney: ty, I'm talking about source code, and limitted amounts of data....22:59
rosco_ynot much space22:59
rosco_yI would like to be able to do automatically have daily backups, they could be incremental backups, but I wouldn't say that is critical23:00
roneyrosco_y: I think git is excellent for this kind of thing.23:00
rosco_yroney: yes, I am using git for version control software, but I'm thinking of disaster recovery now23:01
rosco_yI too really like git23:01
rosco_yso I'm talking about daily backups to a second hard drive, so if a drive fails, I can fall back on my backup....23:02
roneyNow I understand you better.23:02
rosco_yI was trying backInTime, but was having some problems with it, so I'm wondering if others are using something and like what they're using23:03
roneyWell, I'm not really good at system administration, so I'd take an approach based on what I know.23:03
roneyIf I was you, I'd make a script to back things up every logoff, or login.23:03
rosco_yroney: that's a pretty sage idea, but even that's past my pay-grade.   I'm new to linux, and wouldn't have a clue how to schedule a job like that, would that be using cron?23:04
roneyrosco_y: I think yes, it will probably use cron, but there's a utility in KDE that makes everything easier.23:06
roneyrosco_y: I'll check its name.23:06
rosco_y:) thanks roney23:06
roney_rosco_y: It's in System Settings, loof for Startup and Shutdown.23:11
roney_rosco_y: look for*23:11
rosco_yadd a script?23:12
rosco_yI think I found it23:12
rosco_yI believe this could work, Thank roney_--I'll examine this route for awhile :)23:12
rosco_yI tried "BackInTime", but it wasn't quite working for me23:13

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