[01:57] <len> Does anyone running either 12.04 or 12.10 as a VB guest and have a funtioning scroll wheel?  It works in neither version for me, but works in other non-ubuntu linux guests.
[02:19] <amingv> len: It works for me (though I'm using 13.04)
[02:20] <amingv> len: maybe try installing virtualbox-guest-dkms and virtualbox-guest-x11 in the guest machine
[02:33] <maroonfire> yo
[02:35] <maroonfire> talk pls
[02:40] <len> amingv, Is mouse integration enabled?
[02:40] <len> Have guest additions installed and working well except for the scroll
[02:43] <len> scroll works if I disable mouse integration, but that is even more inconvenient than  no scroll wheel
[02:52] <amingv> len: yes, I have MI enabled
[02:53] <amingv> just set up this machine a couple hours ago, too, so I literally have nothing on it besides the base system and guest additions
[02:53] <amingv> I didn't check if scroll worked before guest additions, though
[02:54] <len> Maybe I should 13.04 to see if that fixes it.
[02:55] <len> Scroll wheel goesn't even trigger events in xev in 12.04 and 12.10
[02:57] <len> If there is a fix in 13.04 I sure hope they backport it, because I'm going to need a copy of the LTS around for a while.
[02:59] <amingv> You can try 13.04, though I don't think you should be having that issue in 12.x anyway
[03:00] <amingv> I've had VMs with older versions of kubuntu and don't remember having issues
[03:00] <len> I am having no issue with other non-buntu linux guests
[03:00] <amingv> Though I realize my anecdote is not very helpful to you :)
[03:00] <len> I am only having the scroll button issue--everything else is working fine
[03:02] <amingv> What's your host OS?
[03:02] <len> openSUSE 12.3
[03:03] <amingv> Wait, go back one sec
[03:03] <amingv> Your issue is with the scroll button or the scroll wheel?
[03:03] <amingv> Or both?
[03:03] <len> scroll wheel
[03:04] <amingv> Oh, k :)
[03:04] <len> I don't have it open right now cause I have too many other tasks going, but I seem to recall the wheel working as a button, just not as a wheel
[03:05] <amingv> Funny, in my case it works like a wheel but not as a button
[03:06] <len> :) That IS strange.
[03:06] <amingv> Which I'm pretty fine with, never would have noticed it
[03:06] <amingv> :)
[03:06] <len> Well I use the icon-only task manager and the wheel button is used to launch new instances.
[03:07] <amingv> Lemme see something real quick
[03:07] <len> K
[03:13] <len> Just checked, and it is indeed working as a button
[03:16] <amingv> I plugged another mouse, middle button worked on that one, plugged the old one and middle button works on it as well
[03:16] <amingv> this is the sort of stull that makes me feel very stupid
[03:16] <amingv> stuff*
[03:16] <len> As a button and as a wheel?
[03:17] <amingv> yup
[03:18] <len> Hmm.  Guess I'd better give 13.04 a try.  I'd be nice to know what they changed.
[03:20] <amingv> I guess nothing's lost by trying
[04:06] <amingv> len: fwiw I just set up another machine (13.04) and could replicate what you were experiencing (no scroll, yes click, works when MI is disabled)
[04:06] <amingv> len: but it was fixed as soon as I installed guest aditions
[04:07] <len> hmm.  I'll try reinstalling Guest additions.
[04:08] <len> Are you using the ubuntu packages or the script from Oracle?
[04:08] <amingv> since the guest additions module is compiled on the spot you might want to double check that it is compiling and installing correctly
[04:08] <amingv> ubuntu packages
[04:43] <len> Hmm.  That is strange.  I uninstalled the ubuntu packages and installed the newest oracle ones, and it's working now.  Had those originally before switching to packages, now came back again and it works.
[04:55] <amingv> len: A bit strange, but glad you could sort it out :)
[04:57] <len> amingv, I'm not entirely sure What worked though, becuase I added a mouse config section to xorg.conf with extra buttom mapping that some debian user did having a similar problem.
[04:57] <len> Not sure if that helped or not
[05:02] <len> amingv, do you have a mouse config file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d?
[05:03] <amingv> nope, any day I don't mess with xorg.conf is a good day :)
[05:03] <amingv> If the VM is not passing the input events on to the guest there's very little Xorg can do about it, though, so my guess would be that the change to xorg.conf is not what fixed it
[05:04] <len> virtual driver config pointing to /dev/vbox/quest
[05:04] <len> /dev/vboxguest
[05:06] <amingv> there's a very simple way to test anyway
[05:06] <amingv> mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup
[05:07] <amingv> if the mapping keeps working then it has nothing to do with xorg
[05:07] <amingv> if it stops working just mv xorg.conf.backup xorg.conf and it's set again :)
[05:08] <len> I'm using my xorg.conf for some other things though.  could comment out, but I'll just try to fix the LTS image, without doing that and see if it works
[05:09] <len> then add it if it doesn't
[05:10] <amingv> that's cool
[05:12] <geomyidae> What goes on in #kubuntu+1?
[05:12] <geomyidae> Also, The LightDM KCM module seems quite borken in Kubuntu 13.04 beta 1 :(
[05:15] <len> They should just switch back to kdm.  Don't think they need to tow the Ubuntu line as closely anymore and have LightDM just to have same.  KDM was made for KDE and that is what Kubunut users use or they'd be using Ubuntu.
[05:16] <geomyidae> I'm not even sure KDE is sticking it out with KDM based on what I've been reading about KDE next
[05:16] <geomyidae> but I have no love affair with any login screen to be honest. I'd just like one I can configure. The LightDM theme it ships with is an eyesore to the extreme. I'll throw KDM on and check it out
[05:16] <len> For what reasons?  I've never had any issues with KDM
[05:17] <geomyidae> https://plus.google.com/107555540696571114069/posts/UX7d3uKJ6qe
[05:17] <geomyidae> I think it has to do with Wayland
[05:17] <geomyidae> and https://plus.google.com/107555540696571114069/posts/Usp7uoYayDR
[05:18] <len> Oh, well that is a whole other kettle of fish.  They might all have issue with that.
[05:18] <geomyidae> Well SDDM is already written in Qt5 uses QML/QtQuick, and the default theme is dead sexy
[05:19] <geomyidae> I'm hoping to see the Qt desktops rally around it, esp since it's dev is already working on getting a system compositor ready for wayland support
[05:19] <geomyidae> s/it's/its/
[05:21] <len> OK, I amend my statement to just go with whatever DM KDE goes with.
[05:21] <len> Rather than what Ubuntu uses
[05:22] <geomyidae> Yeah, makes sense. Seems like the DM isn't terribly coupled to the rest of it anyway
[05:22] <geomyidae> Last time I actually installed Kubuntu it was using KDM I thought
[05:23] <len> I am pretty sure Ubuntu will not base it's decision on what DM to use  based on how well it works with KDE :)
[05:24] <amingv> geomyidae: kubuntu's been using lightdm for at least a couple releases now
[05:24] <geomyidae> well, with Mir and all that jazz, I'm just LightDM is going to be a mess anyway
[05:24] <len> or wayland for that matter, since they want to roll their own
[05:25] <amingv> lightdm is pretty great, too, but Canonical's CLA is a turnoff for many )
[05:25] <geomyidae> amingv: yeah, it's been a really long time since I installed kubuntu, just recently went from gnome-shell to cinnamon to KDE and am really loving KDE so I decided to install kubuntu instead
[05:26] <geomyidae> I dunna, but I knew I liked SDDM before Aaron's post about KDM vs LightDM vs SDDM and it certainly only reinforced my opinion
[05:26] <len> KDE is nicely mature now.
[05:26] <amingv> checked sddm too and I agree it's as sexy as they come
[05:26] <amingv> kinda pushing for it :)
[05:27] <geomyidae> I think /right after/ Aaron wrote that post too he found out that SDDM is being used by maui and learned of Green Island which I think he found intriguing based on the G+ discussions
[05:28] <amingv> Yeah
[05:29] <amingv> I would assume whatever they pick they'd write the UI in QML anyway
[05:29] <amingv> So SDDM makes a lot of sense that way
[05:30] <len> I hope whatever they choose has a config setting to set x dpi like kdm.  That is the most reliable place to do it.  Every other method stops working after a while and I have to find a new way.
[05:31] <geomyidae> oh god, I tried to tweak my DPI (or really PPI) and gave up quickly
[05:32] <len> google on it and you will get like 25 way, but most no longer work :)
[05:32] <len> keeps changing.
[05:33] <len> Setting it in kdmrc always works though
[05:34] <len> ServerArgsLocal=-dpi 96 -nolisten tcp
[05:34] <len> replace 96 with whatever you need
[05:35] <len> That is why replacement DM better have that feature too :)
[05:36] <geomyidae> another thing I'm sure will be complicated by wayland
[05:37] <len> I have one monitor that reports two different resolutions
[05:37] <len> and the non-native one always gets picked up first
[05:37] <len> and used to calc dpi
[05:37] <len> so I always need to override it
[05:38] <len> Who would use a LCD monitor in non-native res anyway?!
[05:38] <len> They look terrible that way
[05:41] <len> That is why you should be able to adjust the dpi easily -- so you can adjust sizing without resorting to crazy things like using non-native monitor res
[05:42] <len> I'd love to have a desktop "retina" display.
[05:43] <geomyidae> len, it's not retina, but I have one of those Korean IPS displays from ebay.
[05:43] <len> but they always short-change the desktop monitor with crappy res
[05:43] <geomyidae> Apple Cinema display quality for $350
[05:43] <geomyidae> 2560x1440 27"
[05:43] <len> I was just looking at those.
[05:43] <len> Seems like the best deal you can get now.
[05:44] <geomyidae> Crossover 27Q, metal chassis, looks sharp.
[05:44] <len> Think they carry one at Micro Center now too
[05:44] <geomyidae> mine happens to be pixel perfect as well, can't find anything to complain about it, but you have to have dual link dvi, etc.
[05:44] <geomyidae> Oh you're near a microcenter, nice.
[05:44] <geomyidae> monoprice is stocking something similar but they're matte and the base isn't fully removable (wtf!)
[05:45] <len> I heard it is kind of hit or miss  because they are using 2nds or something to get such a cheap price.
[05:45] <len> You're lucky to get pixel perfect!
[05:45] <geomyidae> yeah, I've heard that as well, I might pick up another one soon, I'll let you know if I get as lucky
[05:45] <len> Were you worried?
[05:45] <geomyidae> nah, for the savings, I would have put up with a few dead/stuck/ whatever pixels
[05:46] <len> Which model did you get?
[05:46] <geomyidae> crossover 27q
[05:46] <geomyidae> fully removable stand, metal chassis, quite nice imo, looks much more stylish than my samsung or hanns-g monitors
[05:47] <len> Sounds good.  Wish I had one. TWO would be even cooler. :)
[05:48] <len> 2nd monitor is great for running a VM in Full screen
[05:48] <len> seems like two complete computers
[05:48] <len> with added bonus of cut/paste between
[05:49] <geomyidae> I'm imaging the stress on a video card of 1440x5020 and a VM virtual graphics driver on top of that
[05:49] <geomyidae> :P
[05:50] <len> I'm doing 1600x1200 main + 1920x1080 VM using Twinview with no stress
[05:51] <len> on just a Nvidia 9800
[05:54] <len> I think four 27" monitors would be good.  Center, Right, Left, and UP overhead above the center one cocked forward 45 degrees :)
[06:02]  * amingv is going to catch some Zs
[08:15] <stacky1> is it possible to internal upgrade kubuntu from 12.10 to 13.04 using an iso image ?
[10:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:42] <KittyKittenKat> Hello, everyone! I am new to Kubuntu, and would like to know so much more about it!
[10:43] <KittyKittenKat> As in, is it a good upgrade, or maybe just something you'd VirtualBox on your existing computer? What are the features? The ups, the downs, the ugly?
[10:43] <lordievader> Hey KittyKittenKat
[10:43] <KittyKittenKat> Hello lordievader
[10:43] <lordievader> KittyKittenKat: I currently have Kubuntu as my main OS :)
[10:44] <KittyKittenKat> is kubuntu a good upgrade, or maybe just something you'd VirtualBox on your existing computer? What are the features? The ups, the downs, the ugly?
[10:44] <KittyKittenKat> I like windows as it is, maybe getting a mac
[10:44] <KittyKittenKat> idk!
[10:44] <lordievader> !patience | KittyKittenKat
[10:44] <KittyKittenKat> meh no, im just asking is it good or not?
[10:45] <lordievader> KittyKittenKat: For me Kubuntu/Linux is a great OS. However I still have Windows installed for a few programs.
[10:45] <lordievader> KittyKittenKat: True, but you are asking twice a minute ;)
[10:45] <KittyKittenKat> Oh, so you vbox it, or do u vbox windows in kubuntu
[10:45] <KittyKittenKat> sorry about the vbox, you can replace that with parralllels, multiboot whatever.
[10:46] <lordievader> KittyKittenKat: No I have it installed like regular. Dual-booting Windows.
[10:46] <KittyKittenKat> oh
[10:47] <KittyKittenKat> ok :) I'll porbably use the Wubi installer when i get my OWN laptop or my PC starts working again
[10:47] <lordievader> KittyKittenKat: I'd stay away from Wubi. It is a nice idea at first, but once you get into Linux more it is just a huge limiting factor.
[10:48] <KittyKittenKat> dang! well i just opened vvbox and ready to use the live cd in it before i live cd my pc for real
[10:49] <KittyKittenKat> well actually i used wubi for ubuntu and it ran fine
[10:49] <lordievader> KittyKittenKat: It runs fine, sure. But it is still a nasty thing...
[10:49] <KittyKittenKat> ooh kubuntu looks nice
[10:50] <KittyKittenKat> im just vbox-ing it now! it looks awesome
[10:50] <KittyKittenKat> okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...
[10:52] <lordievader> KittyKittenKat: Wubi installs the Kubuntu installation on your Windows partition as a file. This file is limited to 30 Gb. The bootloader also becomes quite the mess.
[10:52] <KittyKittenKat> oh.
[10:52] <KittyKittenKat> Well, I just got the Live CD image and put in VirtualBox. So far I am going to like Kubuntu!
[10:53] <lordievader> That is good to hear though :)
[10:53] <KittyKittenKat> Oh yes it is! Ill maybe ditch the Mac i want, and use Kubuntu. It's free and I can probably use it to rescue my computer, if i get the power button working again
[10:55] <KittyKittenKat> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i am ddefinetly going Kubuntu. Looks as beautiful as Mac OS X, comes with everything i need (office etc)
[10:55] <KittyKittenKat> i tried linux mint 9 but it doesnt load on my PC, so Kubuntu will
[10:55] <lordievader> :)
[10:55] <KittyKittenKat> hopefully
[10:58] <KittyKittenKat> now i have a cd to burn, an iso to use and a pc to save (HOPEFULLY!) i can try kubuntu whenever i please (thank u live CD!)
[10:58] <KittyKittenKat> im leaving now, i have some business to do
[12:42] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[12:49] <ELencher_> howdy
[12:50] <BluesKaj> hi ELencher_
[12:50] <lordievader> Hey ELencher_, how are you?
[12:51] <ELencher_> excellent you?
[12:51] <lordievader> Doing good too :)
[16:01] <Guest47816> Hello all
[16:04] <BluesKaj> hi Guest47816
[16:06] <alainus> i have no audio strangely. I noticed an error a few days ago: "audio device is not working... falling back to the default one." i dismissed it as i thought it would fix itself on the next reboot but it didn't. Where can i configure that in KDE?
[16:11] <Guest47816> I would like to build a program that does one of two things. option a would be to boot from a USB key and copy desired folders and or files, the second is to auto run on any OS and copy the files
[16:26] <baxeico> hi, any hope to see kdevelop 4.4.1 in Kubuntu 12.04 backports?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> alainus, system settings>multimedia> phonon>device preference , test the audio of the listed devices and move the one that works to the top with the prefer button
[16:28] <BluesKaj> baxeico, kdevelop 4.4.1 should be in the repositories by now
[16:30] <baxeico> BluesKaj: do you mean 12.04 repositories?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> well it's in the 13.04 repos
[16:31] <alainus> BluesKaj, there's just one and it doesn't work ... see http://i.imgur.com/Vz9huxM.png
[16:31] <baxeico> I'll stick with LTS until the next one
[16:33] <BluesKaj> alainus, open the audio hardware setup tab and set the device inputs there as well , then open alsamixer in the terminal and use the arrow keys to navigate turm up the volume controls , and unmute with M key if needed
[16:37] <alainus> BluesKaj, that worked. why were all the outputs muted?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> alainus, upgrades will do that sometimes ...it's a mystery to me , why :P
[16:39] <alainus> BluesKaj, thanks !
[16:39] <BluesKaj> np alainus
[16:40] <HoockStar> hi leuts
[16:41] <HoockStar> hey
[16:44] <benno> hey leuts
[16:45] <BluesKaj> HoockStar, leuts ?
[16:45] <HoockStar> ?leuts? kennst du das nicht?
[16:45] <Pici> !de
[16:45] <BluesKaj> !de | HoockStar
[16:47] <HoockStar> ah, sorry and thx
[16:55] <Guest47816> how do I have a USB key bootable
[17:05] <bazhang> !unetbootin | Guest47816
[17:11] <lupo_> emm holaa
[17:12] <bazhang> !es | lupo_
[17:12] <lupo_> hello everyone
[17:12] <lupo_> ¡
[17:12] <lupo_> are there anyone here?
[17:13] <goodtime> yes
[17:13] <lupo_> hello
[17:13] <lupo_> who are you?
[17:13] <goodtime> hi
[17:13] <bazhang> lupo_, what is your kubuntu support question
[17:13] <goodtime> im goodtime
[17:13] <lupo_> i know...
[17:14] <lupo_> where do you live?
[17:14] <goodtime> what is your kubuntu support question
[17:14] <goodtime> [03/21/13 13:13] <goodtime> im goodtime
[17:14] <bazhang> lupo_, this is not the chat channel
[17:14] <bazhang> !ot | lupo_
[17:14] <lupo_> iḿ sorry
[17:14] <lupo_> i am new here
[17:23] <BluesKaj> ludwig_, no need to be sorry , new ppl are always welcome
[17:24] <BluesKaj> oops , wrong nick
[17:26] <Guest47816> question How do I make a .sh file run at boot
[17:27] <keyvin> Guest47816 put it in /etc/rc.local
[17:27] <Guest47816> its on a bootable usb
[17:29] <keyvin> I am having a weird issue with desktop effects and a radeon 7870. It happens under the OS and binary driver
[17:29] <keyvin> when I resize a terminal, X crashes back to the login screen
[17:29] <keyvin> anyone have this or know how to fix it?
[17:29] <keyvin> disabling desktop effects is my current workaround
[17:30] <keyvin> Guest, I am not sure exactly what you are asking for. You can mount the thumbdrive from rc.local. or add it to the fstab. Then you can run the script
[17:30] <keyvin> from rc.local
[17:32] <lordievader> Guest47816: What kevin says, however I'd make a startup script of it: have the startup script mount the thumbdrive and run the script.
[17:32] <lordievader> Guest47816: Startup scripts are located in /etc/init/
[17:33] <Guest47816> I want everything to be on the thumbdrive
[17:34] <lordievader> Guest47816: Is it an option to run the script every time you plug it in?
[17:37] <Guest47816> I used unetbootin to make a ubuntu 10 USB drive
[17:37] <Guest47816> so all data needs to be on the USB drive
[17:39] <Guest47816> ill be back in a few
[17:56] <Copper_> back
[17:58] <Guest6407> I made the USB stick boot to the install of Ubuntu not to a shell thats on the USB stick
[18:00] <Guest6407> Id like to have a USB stick that can be booted to thta give me  a konsole
[18:00] <Guest6407> ...but its good to know how to make it the way it is at the moment
[18:11] <lordievader> Guest6407: Let me get this straight, you want a usb stick that boots to the command-line?
[18:12] <Guest6407> ya, what I have is a iso thats been put on a usb... tried fdisk dev/sdd1 and that didnt work
[18:15] <lordievader> Guest6407: Can you boot from the usb-stick? It's not very difficult to boot to a console (if you don't require X)
[18:16] <Guest6407> it boot to a ubuntu server install
[18:16] <lordievader> Guest6407: You want to make a live-usb using a traditional Desktop cd.
[18:16] <lordievader> Guest6407: The server version doesn't come with a live-session.
[18:17] <Guest6407> thats all I want is the live session... not the option to install
[18:18] <lordievader> Guest6407: Use unetbootin or the build-in usb-creator to make a live-usb.
[18:18] <Guest6407> built in
[18:19] <lordievader> Guest6407: Yes use one of the two to create a live-usb from the normal (K)Ubuntu Desktop cd, not the server cd.
[18:20] <Guest6407> ok
[18:24] <lordievader> Guest6407: Hmm, just thought of something, my original method wont work, I think. Due to it being a squashfs.
[18:25] <lordievader> Guest6407: What I had in mind was disableing the lightDM service. But I have a feeling you cannot write to it. Might be wrong though.
[18:31] <bk_> testing
[18:31] <bk_> ls
[18:31] <bk_> .
[18:31] <bk_> .
[18:31] <FloodBotK1> bk_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:31] <Guest6407> All I have is Live , HDmedia and Netinstalls... Which to me means the install media for the OS not making the USB bootable
[18:32] <bazhang> bk_, please use #test for that
[18:32] <lordievader> !test | bk_
[18:33] <lordievader> Guest6407: Select Live, however have you read my other messages?
[18:34] <Guest6407> yes... Ill try it and see
[18:34] <lordievader> Guest33916: Hope it works...
[18:35] <lordievader> Guest33916: Else you can still get there, but it involves a lot more work.
[21:12] <rosco_y> I try to run "gparted", after I enter sudo password, it does nothing--what do I need to do to run gparted?
[21:27] <rosco_y> I just bought a new hd, I'm thinking of dividing it into two partitions--they will be used for data storage (backups, isos etc.)  Should I use ext4 or something else?
[21:28] <lordievader> rosco_y: Why don't you use the KDE partition editor?
[21:28] <lordievader> rosco_y: Will the partitions be used in Windows(/Mac)?
[21:29] <rosco_y> lordievader: ty, I am using the KDE partition editor....
[21:29] <rosco_y> I'm using ubuntu
[21:29] <rosco_y> I'm planning on hosting at least one windows vm on one of the parts tho
[21:30] <rosco_y> shoot, I have kiddie problems over here---dad has to manage the situation(s) for a while......
[21:32] <lordievader> rosco_y: Why gparted then? Anyhow, for a Windows VM the filesystem-type doesn't matter, only when you want to mount the partitions under Windows. Windows cannot mount ext4, but ext4 is the preferred Linux filesystem nowadays.
[21:35] <rosco_y> lordievader: ty, I suppose my questions bubble up from the fact that I am as noobie as they get....:)
[21:36] <rosco_y> can I use the KDE Partion Manager to configure fstab?
[21:37] <rosco_y> "AH'LL BE BACK!"
[21:37] <lordievader> rosco_y: No, I believe you cannot. Do you know how to use UUID in fstab?
[21:38] <rosco_y> No, that sounds way out of my pay-grade....
[21:38] <lordievader> rosco_y: It ain't that hard ;), and it is quite usefull.
[21:39] <rosco_y> lordievader: ty, I'll google that and see if I can get the job done :)
[21:39] <lordievader> rosco_y: Here is one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingUUID
[21:39] <rosco_y> Great--Thanks@
[21:39] <lordievader> Not very well explained if you ask me... Anyhow if you have questions about it feel free to ping me.
[21:40] <rosco_y> oops, that was supposed to be "Thanks!"
[21:40] <lordievader> rosco_y: No problem ;)
[22:57] <rosco_y> Can anyone recommend software for keeping work backed up to a hard drive?
[22:58] <roney> rosco_y: What do you mean? What kind of work?
[22:59] <rosco_y> roney: ty, I'm talking about source code, and limitted amounts of data....
[22:59] <rosco_y> not much space
[23:00] <rosco_y> I would like to be able to do automatically have daily backups, they could be incremental backups, but I wouldn't say that is critical
[23:00] <roney> rosco_y: I think git is excellent for this kind of thing.
[23:01] <rosco_y> roney: yes, I am using git for version control software, but I'm thinking of disaster recovery now
[23:01] <rosco_y> I too really like git
[23:02] <rosco_y> so I'm talking about daily backups to a second hard drive, so if a drive fails, I can fall back on my backup....
[23:02] <roney> Now I understand you better.
[23:03] <rosco_y> I was trying backInTime, but was having some problems with it, so I'm wondering if others are using something and like what they're using
[23:03] <roney> Well, I'm not really good at system administration, so I'd take an approach based on what I know.
[23:03] <roney> If I was you, I'd make a script to back things up every logoff, or login.
[23:04] <rosco_y> roney: that's a pretty sage idea, but even that's past my pay-grade.   I'm new to linux, and wouldn't have a clue how to schedule a job like that, would that be using cron?
[23:06] <roney> rosco_y: I think yes, it will probably use cron, but there's a utility in KDE that makes everything easier.
[23:06] <roney> rosco_y: I'll check its name.
[23:06] <rosco_y> :) thanks roney
[23:11] <roney_> rosco_y: It's in System Settings, loof for Startup and Shutdown.
[23:11] <roney_> rosco_y: look for*
[23:12] <rosco_y> add a script?
[23:12] <rosco_y> I think I found it
[23:12] <rosco_y> I believe this could work, Thank roney_--I'll examine this route for awhile :)
[23:13] <rosco_y> I tried "BackInTime", but it wasn't quite working for me