| Kris_away | I'm wondering, what kinda manpower does ubuntu-gnome have behind it, is it the distro of them gnome team? | 02:43 |
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| darkxst | Kris_away, not enough manpower right now | 02:43 |
| Kris_away | How many guys, just a few? | 02:44 |
| darkxst | yeh | 02:44 |
| Kris_away | You one of em'? :) | 02:44 |
| darkxst | yeh | 02:44 |
| Kris_away | Well, now that I've met most of the team... I'm thinking of putting g'nobuntu on my box, is the 13.04 daily the best to go with? I'll complain when I find bugs :) | 02:45 |
| Kris_away | Also, i looked up some domain names... .com .org. net are all available... I'm thinking... I have a spare server... | 02:46 |
| darkxst | sure, we have iso tracker now, so you can report bugs against the image http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/40208/testcases | 02:47 |
| darkxst | Kris_away, we did ask Canonical to setup a website, but they have been slow to respond | 02:47 |
| Kris_away | Why even bother bugging them? If you DIY the site, you could put up a little donation button, make it look however you want | 02:48 |
| darkxst | Kris_away, it would basically be a DIY site, the others flavours are all running wordpress/drupal | 02:49 |
| darkxst | just hosted on canonical infrastructure | 02:49 |
| Kris_away | Also, have you talked to the Gnome project leads? There's few "pure gnome" distros, once you get a site up they could list you | 02:49 |
| Kris_away | wordpress/drup is kinda slow | 02:49 |
| Kris_away | Could make it gogle-blogger based for dynamic stuff and a simple static front | 02:50 |
| Kris_away | Or cloudfront | 02:50 |
| Kris_away | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ Downloading 32 and 64 right now... | 02:51 |
| Kris_away | If canonical was the host, would it be a VPS or some sort of web panel access? it's VM based you could stick on properly quick and simple stuff to ru the site | 02:52 |
| darkxst | Kris_away, I don;t particularly like wordpress or drupal, just saying that other flavours have sites hosted by canonical | 02:53 |
| Kris_away | Once you got a 13.04 stable, gotta torrent dat out, spread the word, tech blogs, reddit, etc | 02:53 |
| Kris_away | Is the 386 actually 386, or 686 | 02:54 |
| darkxst | news seems to spread pretty quickly | 02:54 |
| Kris_away | linux is droppping 386 support | 02:54 |
| darkxst | 686 I presume, no way it would run on a 386! | 02:55 |
| darkxst | I don't know why anyone still uses 32-bit images anyway, unless they are stuck with ancient hardware that is 32-bit only, but that seems not to be the case mostly | 02:56 |
| Kris_away | Have you seen the Steam-linux numbers? noone uses 32-bit these days | 02:57 |
| Kris_away | http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey | 02:57 |
| Kris_away | 300'000 linux users, all 64-bit | 02:57 |
| Kris_away | supporting 32-bit is kinda a waste | 02:57 |
| darkxst | well I often see random mis-information posted around the net, suggesting to use 32-bit if you have < 4GB ram | 02:58 |
| darkxst | but that is just plain wrong | 02:58 |
| Kris_away | Well PAE is shit on Windows compared to Linux :P | 02:58 |
| darkxst | PAE is shit on linux too | 02:58 |
| Kris_away | Ehh, it's not that bad | 02:58 |
| darkxst | (as in massive overheads) | 02:58 |
| darkxst | it works well | 02:59 |
| darkxst | just slower | 02:59 |
| Kris_away | The weakest 64-bit CPU is the single core 1.something GHz Atom | 02:59 |
| Kris_away | Actually.. wrong, AMD has a weaksauce 1.1GHz chip, and Intel has a celron... ugh | 03:00 |
| Kris_away | 64-bit linux can support anything 32-bit, even drivers with hacks... | 03:01 |
| darkxst | Kris_away, yeh but point is that 64-bit OS is going to be faster than running 32-bit (even despite the memory addressing overheads in 64) | 03:03 |
| darkxst | even if you only have say 2GB memory etc... | 03:03 |
| Kris_away | Even the weakest 64-bit cpus seem to run no slower | 03:04 |
| Kris_away | despite puny L1/L2 | 03:04 |
| darkxst | same cpu, 64 vs 32 ... | 03:05 |
| Kris_away | I've benched Atom/Athlons/Core2 and it's either equal or faster for AMD64, with complex things that use the bigger construction set, faster, also the compilers are being tweaked more on 64-bit these days. | 03:06 |
| Kris_away | You should just be 64-bit and support 32-bit apps within, since everyone, with the exception of Winodws XP users, are 64-bit these days... | 03:07 |
| Kris_away | You're not big like caninical which has arm/ppc/386/amd64 and the manpower to cover it all | 03:09 |
| darkxst | none of us actually use the 386 packages | 03:09 |
| Kris_away | Should maket yourself as "An OS for everything AMD64, from tiny single core systems to 4P workstations" | 03:09 |
| darkxst | but I would like to see arm support in the future (I guess the archive packages already get this, but likely buggy) | 03:10 |
| Kris_away | ARM's big problem is how much the CPUS vary from on another, many different sets | 03:11 |
| Kris_away | Although these days everything is big-arm | 03:12 |
| Kris_away | Drivers and input is the pain | 03:12 |
| darkxst | yeh I think that is why Canonical are using a partial android stack for mir | 03:12 |
| Kris_away | Rasperry Pi is the most popular ARM board, 1.1 Million sold, but very limited litle thing, there's lots of nice beefy $50 arm boards. | 03:13 |
| darkxst | its the easiest way to get kernels for each device | 03:13 |
| darkxst | yeh, seems to be a new one every week! | 03:13 |
| Kris_away | I hope there will be a new Pi with SATA, it's all it's mising | 03:14 |
| Kris_away | Via's APC has SATA, but it's more a slow andriod thing | 03:15 |
| darkxst | what is the Pi? just USB2? | 03:15 |
| Kris_away | USB2, yup, and the ethernet is USB2 based :-/ | 03:15 |
| Kris_away | Tere's also a slow SD slot | 03:15 |
| darkxst | lol, so 3x slow.... | 03:16 |
| Kris_away | Some ARM boards have USB3... BUT NO SATA | 03:16 |
| darkxst | I was thinking of putting one in my car, but havent been able to find a screen just yet ;( | 03:16 |
| Kris_away | THe new Pi will support lvds LCDs | 03:17 |
| Kris_away | mini hdmi lcds are rare for some reason... | 03:17 |
| darkxst | I need a 6.5 or 7" touch screen, which are incredibly hard to find at all | 03:18 |
| darkxst | i.e. not pre-packaged | 03:18 |
| Kris_away | Lots of crappy quality chinese 5" ones | 03:18 |
| darkxst | in a plastic bezel that makes them more like 9" total | 03:18 |
| Kris_away | rip it apart lol | 03:18 |
| darkxst | they are still crap | 03:19 |
| Kris_away | So... 13.04 is going to have a shorter support cycle, and they say it'll be smoother upgrading to new versions... I always have a few problems upgrading | 03:20 |
| darkxst | a nexus screen might work, but I would have to cut the glass off the ends of the digitiser (without breaking it!) | 03:20 |
| darkxst | Kris_away, minor problems? or major problems | 03:20 |
| Kris_away | package hell | 03:21 |
| darkxst | really? never hit that | 03:21 |
| Kris_away | YOu do when you have a huge amount of stuff installed and non-repo things lol | 03:21 |
| darkxst | I tend to go through 4-5 release before I re-install | 03:21 |
| darkxst | Kris_away, sure, I am a dev | 03:21 |
| darkxst | my current stack looks more like S | 03:22 |
| darkxst | whatever that will be called ;) | 03:22 |
| Kris_away | Will ubuntu-gnome be the official name or... g'buntu gnobuntu gubuntu | 03:23 |
| darkxst | ubuntu GNOME | 03:23 |
| Kris_away | with space, no space, or dash lol | 03:23 |
| darkxst | Kris_away, does a space really matter? proposed logo has no space, packagesets have a dash | 03:24 |
| Kris_away | Although this distro ruins me calling ubunutu "shuttle-gnome" lol | 03:24 |
| Kris_away | no space works since spaces are evil things | 03:25 |
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| IdleOne | are there any 13.04 daily iso's yet? | 11:47 |
| IdleOne | found them http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ | 11:49 |
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