[02:43] <Kris_away> I'm wondering, what kinda manpower does ubuntu-gnome have behind it, is it the distro of them gnome team?
[02:43] <darkxst> Kris_away, not enough manpower right now
[02:44] <Kris_away> How many guys, just a few?
[02:44] <darkxst> yeh
[02:44] <Kris_away> You one of em'? :)
[02:44] <darkxst> yeh
[02:45] <Kris_away> Well, now that I've met most of the team... I'm thinking of putting g'nobuntu on my box, is the 13.04 daily the best to go with? I'll complain when I find bugs :)
[02:46] <Kris_away> Also, i looked up some domain names... .com .org. net are all available... I'm thinking... I have a spare server...
[02:47] <darkxst> sure, we have iso tracker now, so you can report bugs against the image http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/40208/testcases
[02:47] <darkxst> Kris_away, we did ask Canonical to setup a website, but they have been slow to respond
[02:48] <Kris_away> Why even bother bugging them? If you DIY the site, you could put up a little donation button, make it look however you want
[02:49] <darkxst> Kris_away, it would basically be a DIY site, the others flavours are all running wordpress/drupal
[02:49] <darkxst> just hosted on canonical infrastructure
[02:49] <Kris_away> Also, have you talked to the Gnome project leads? There's few "pure gnome" distros, once you get a site up they could list you
[02:49] <Kris_away> wordpress/drup is kinda slow
[02:50] <Kris_away> Could make it gogle-blogger based for dynamic stuff and a simple static front
[02:50] <Kris_away> Or cloudfront
[02:51] <Kris_away> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ Downloading 32 and 64 right now...
[02:52] <Kris_away> If canonical was the host, would it be a VPS or some sort of web panel access? it's VM based you could stick on properly quick and simple stuff to ru the site
[02:53] <darkxst> Kris_away, I don;t particularly like wordpress or drupal, just saying that other flavours have sites hosted by canonical
[02:53] <Kris_away> Once you got a 13.04 stable, gotta torrent dat out, spread the word, tech blogs, reddit, etc
[02:54] <Kris_away> Is the 386 actually 386, or 686
[02:54] <darkxst> news seems to spread pretty quickly
[02:54] <Kris_away> linux is droppping 386 support
[02:55] <darkxst> 686 I presume, no way it would run on a 386!
[02:56] <darkxst> I don't know why anyone still uses 32-bit images anyway, unless they are stuck with ancient hardware that is 32-bit only, but that seems not to be the case mostly
[02:57] <Kris_away> Have you seen the Steam-linux numbers? noone uses 32-bit these days
[02:57] <Kris_away> http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
[02:57] <Kris_away> 300'000 linux users, all 64-bit
[02:57] <Kris_away> supporting 32-bit is kinda a waste
[02:58] <darkxst> well I often see random mis-information posted around the net, suggesting to use 32-bit if you have < 4GB ram
[02:58] <darkxst> but that is just plain wrong
[02:58] <Kris_away> Well PAE is shit on Windows compared to Linux :P
[02:58] <darkxst> PAE is shit on linux too
[02:58] <Kris_away> Ehh, it's not that bad
[02:58] <darkxst> (as in massive overheads)
[02:59] <darkxst> it works well
[02:59] <darkxst> just slower
[02:59] <Kris_away> The weakest 64-bit CPU is the single core 1.something GHz Atom
[03:00] <Kris_away> Actually.. wrong, AMD has a weaksauce 1.1GHz chip, and Intel has a celron... ugh
[03:01] <Kris_away> 64-bit linux can support anything 32-bit, even drivers with hacks...
[03:03] <darkxst> Kris_away, yeh but point is that 64-bit OS is going to be faster than running 32-bit (even despite the memory addressing overheads in 64)
[03:03] <darkxst> even if you only have say 2GB memory etc...
[03:04] <Kris_away> Even the weakest 64-bit cpus seem to run no slower
[03:04] <Kris_away> despite puny L1/L2
[03:05] <darkxst> same cpu, 64 vs 32 ...
[03:06] <Kris_away> I've benched Atom/Athlons/Core2 and it's either equal or faster for AMD64, with complex things that use the bigger construction set, faster, also the compilers are being tweaked more on 64-bit these days.
[03:07] <Kris_away> You should just be 64-bit and support 32-bit apps within, since everyone, with the exception of Winodws XP users, are 64-bit these days...
[03:09] <Kris_away> You're not big like caninical which has arm/ppc/386/amd64 and the manpower to cover it all
[03:09] <darkxst> none of us actually use the 386 packages
[03:09] <Kris_away> Should maket yourself as "An OS for everything AMD64, from tiny single core systems to 4P workstations"
[03:10] <darkxst> but I would like to see arm support in the future (I guess the archive packages already get this, but likely buggy)
[03:11] <Kris_away> ARM's big problem is how much the  CPUS vary from on another, many different sets
[03:12] <Kris_away> Although these days everything is big-arm
[03:12] <Kris_away> Drivers and input is the pain
[03:12] <darkxst> yeh I think that is why Canonical are using a partial android stack for mir
[03:13] <Kris_away> Rasperry Pi is the most popular ARM board, 1.1 Million sold, but very limited litle thing, there's lots of nice beefy $50 arm boards.
[03:13] <darkxst> its the easiest way to get kernels for each device
[03:13] <darkxst> yeh, seems to be a new one every week!
[03:14] <Kris_away> I hope there will be a new Pi with SATA, it's all it's mising
[03:15] <Kris_away> Via's APC has SATA, but it's more a slow andriod thing
[03:15] <darkxst> what is the Pi? just USB2?
[03:15] <Kris_away> USB2, yup, and the ethernet is USB2 based :-/
[03:15] <Kris_away> Tere's also a slow SD slot
[03:16] <darkxst> lol, so 3x slow....
[03:16] <Kris_away> Some ARM boards have USB3... BUT NO SATA
[03:16] <darkxst> I was thinking of putting one in my car, but havent been able to find a screen just yet ;(
[03:17] <Kris_away> THe new Pi will support lvds LCDs
[03:17] <Kris_away> mini hdmi lcds are rare for some reason...
[03:18] <darkxst> I need a 6.5 or 7" touch screen, which are incredibly hard to find at all
[03:18] <darkxst> i.e. not pre-packaged
[03:18] <Kris_away> Lots of crappy quality chinese 5" ones
[03:18] <darkxst> in a plastic bezel that makes them more like 9" total
[03:18] <Kris_away> rip it apart lol
[03:19] <darkxst> they are still crap
[03:20] <Kris_away> So... 13.04 is going to have a shorter support cycle, and they say it'll be smoother upgrading to new versions... I always have a few problems upgrading
[03:20] <darkxst> a nexus screen might work, but I would have to cut the glass off the ends of the digitiser (without breaking it!)
[03:20] <darkxst> Kris_away, minor problems? or major problems
[03:21] <Kris_away> package hell
[03:21] <darkxst> really? never hit that
[03:21] <Kris_away> YOu do when you have a huge amount of stuff installed and non-repo things lol
[03:21] <darkxst> I tend to go through 4-5 release before I re-install
[03:21] <darkxst> Kris_away, sure, I am a dev
[03:22] <darkxst> my current stack looks more like S
[03:22] <darkxst> whatever that will be called ;)
[03:23] <Kris_away> Will ubuntu-gnome be the official name or... g'buntu gnobuntu gubuntu
[03:23] <darkxst> ubuntu GNOME
[03:23] <Kris_away> with space, no space, or dash lol
[03:24] <darkxst> Kris_away, does a space really matter? proposed logo has no space, packagesets have a dash
[03:24] <Kris_away> Although this distro ruins me calling ubunutu "shuttle-gnome" lol
[03:25] <Kris_away> no space works since spaces are evil things
[11:47] <IdleOne> are there any 13.04 daily iso's yet?
[11:49] <IdleOne> found them http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/