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m_amineHello, I want to remove "samba" to prevent unnecessary updates, will this action cause problems ?17:00
dholbachm_amine, can you ask in #ubuntu instead?17:01
dholbachthis channel is just for meetings17:01
m_amineok, thanks.17:01
dholbachall the best!17:01
teolemonany translators around ?17:01
teolemon:-)17:01
dholbachGwaihir, pleia2, czajkowski, cprofitt, beuno? :)17:01
dholbachhi teolemon17:02
pleia2o/17:02
Gwaihiro/17:02
beunoo/17:02
teolemoncqfd93 :-)17:02
cqfd93yes!17:02
czajkowskialoha \o/17:02
dholbachand I just thought you typed your password into the wrong window :-)17:02
teolemonhello hannie :-)17:03
YoBoYHi17:03
hanniehi teolemon17:03
pleia2#startmeeting17:03
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pleia2welcome to the Community Council meeting :)17:03
pleia2#chair dholbach Gwaihir czajkowski beuno cprofitt17:04
meetingologyCurrent chairs: Gwaihir beuno cprofitt czajkowski dholbach pleia217:04
dholbachit seems like we have 3 translation team members here at least already - shall we start with them? :)17:04
dholbachand maybe round up the membership board folks in the meantime?17:04
pleia2sure17:04
dholbachperfect17:04
pleia2#topic Translations team check-in17:04
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PendulumI'm here. I'm not sure if anyone else from the membership boards17:04
Pendulumcould make it17:04
pleia2Pendulum: great :)17:04
dholbachwelcome teolemon, cqfd93, hannie - anyone else here from the translations team?17:05
dholbachhow are you all doing?17:05
hanniethanks dholbach doing fine17:05
dholbachdid you have some discussions about the things we talked about in our last meeting?17:05
cqfd93thanks. doing fine17:05
teolemoni pulled smg together17:05
teolemonthis afternoon17:05
teolemonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2013-03-21#17:05
teolemonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2013-03-2117:05
pleia2smg?17:05
teolemonsomething17:06
pleia2teolemon: oh that's great17:06
czajkowskithat's very useful thanks17:06
pleia2so we tried to get together a chat with dpm after last meeting, but he's been super busy and we weren't able to coordinate something between the time he replied and then went off on vacation (not sure when he's due back)17:07
dholbachnext week AFAIK17:07
dholbachI love some of the ideas on the wiki page17:07
teolemonfor me i'm doing fine17:07
hannieDavid Planella: I am currently out of the office until Mon 25th March 2012.17:08
teolemonwe're happy to report we've finished translating DDTP MAIN17:08
teolemonMULTIVERSE17:08
teolemonand17:08
teolemonRESTRICTED17:08
dholbachYES17:08
cqfd93we're still working on main :-)17:08
teolemon400 strings17:08
dholbachthat must have been lots of work17:08
teolemoncome on :-)17:08
hannieteolemon, congratulations. It is quite a job17:08
dholbachdo you feel like the list on the wiki page is complete or at least lists the most important problems?17:08
pleia2oh, which translations teams are you from?17:08
teolemonwe've used automated translations from Google Translator Kit17:09
YoBoYpleia2, french17:09
hanniedholbach, I just replied to the translators list on that subject17:09
cqfd93french (Sylvie Gallet)17:09
teolemonthe pad is bugging a lot17:10
teolemonthere are some extra spaces17:10
teolemoni can't remove17:10
dholbachthanks for replying on the mailing list, but I just meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2013-03-21# - do you think that's complete and lists the biggest issues you're looking at right now?17:11
hannieah, sorry17:11
Gwaihirthere's a couple of things in there that I guess will not easy fixable, if at all... .-/17:11
Gwaihirthe fuzzy thing is the first that comes to my eye17:11
dholbachmaybe it'd make sense to sort it by priority and then start commenting as a team and see what we can do about them17:12
hanniegood idea17:12
dholbachfor example the DDTP questions might be something where mvo could shed some light on17:12
Gwaihirthat makes sense, yes17:12
dholbachand the GSoC idea is great17:13
Gwaihiryes, he usually was involved in the past about that, I actually thought that that problem was already sorted out17:13
dholbach... if Ubuntu will be picked as a mentoring organisation17:13
pleia2so, it looks like jcastro can add folks to the trello board - can those who want access bug him? :)17:13
pleia2(we'll sort out admin after dpm gets back)17:13
jcastroyeah17:13
jcastroI can add whoever17:14
teolemonalso an item about scaling our process for the ddtp to all languages, and engage globally with Debian17:14
teolemonyes please17:14
teolemoni'd like to update it17:14
dholbachis there any of the topics you'd particularly like to talk about or where you'd like to get some help with?17:14
hannieYes, Nightmonkey17:14
teolemona bunch of links about the ddtp17:15
jcastroI just need to know which accounts to elevate?17:15
teolemonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/DDTP17:15
teolemonpierre.slamich@gmail.com17:15
teolemon@pierreslamich17:16
meetingologyteolemon: Error: "pierreslamich" is not a valid command.17:16
Gwaihirhannie, does Nightmonkey work or it has the same timeout problem?17:16
hannieNightmonkey is not working anymore, which is very sad, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nightmonkey17:17
teolemonLP still has the timeout issue17:17
teolemonit works for restricted17:17
teolemonkinda works for multiverse17:17
teolemonand doesn't for main and universe17:18
dholbachdo you know if there's a bug filed for the issue?17:18
teolemonyes17:18
czajkowskiteolemon: many of the times outs that are tagged critical should be fixed in the coming months17:18
dholbachmight be worth linking it in the wiki17:18
czajkowskiwe're down to the last 100 crtical bugs17:18
pleia2czajkowski: yay!17:18
teolemonlinked in the page17:18
czajkowskibut if you have a specific bug numbe rI can follow up on that for you and see when it will be fixed.17:18
teolemoni hope to live long enough to see it solved :-)17:18
cqfd93:-)17:19
czajkowskiwe had over 300 :)17:19
czajkowskiso we're doing well17:19
teolemonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/+bug/86982417:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 869824 in Launchpad itself "Doing a search in the ddtp-ubuntu project's translations templates times out" [Critical,Triaged]17:19
hannieMy collegue, Redmar, has written a nifty program to sort ddtp on popularity17:19
czajkowskiwil follow up on that tomorrow and let folks know when approximately it will get looked at17:20
teolemondoes he have the rights to sort it ?17:20
teolemonmy understanding is that the ddtp templates haven't been updated17:20
hannieteolemon, it can be sorted offline17:20
teolemonand reuploaded ?17:20
hanniethat's not (yet) possible17:21
teolemonas we use automated suggestions from the bogus project, we translate online17:21
teolemonso it's helpful for us if the online version is sorted17:22
hannieyes, we had a discussion about that on the translators list17:22
teolemonyes17:22
teolemonand something that worries me17:22
teolemonit's not synced with upstream17:22
czajkowskiIs there something the CC can help with in the mean time?17:22
teolemonsome packages do not exist anymore upstream17:22
teolemonand some strings have been modified17:22
dholbachmaybe it'd make sense to get mvo into the loop17:23
teolemonand there's a patch17:23
teolemonthat sould be applied17:23
teolemonsee this bug17:23
teolemonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/+bug/110617417:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1106174 in Package Descriptions for Ubuntu "ddtp-ubuntu lp translations outdated in quantal" [High,Triaged]17:23
teolemonbeen sleeping for 2 months17:24
dholbachyeah, as I said: maybe best to ping mvo directly - he might know who to bug or what to do17:24
teolemonok17:25
dholbachgreat17:25
dholbachwow, this feels very productive already :)17:25
pleia2:)17:25
dholbachdo you do regular meetings in the team?17:25
teolemonpinging dpm about the statistics tools17:25
teolemonno17:25
teolemonwhich is offline17:25
czajkowskiteolemon: do you have a link to it17:26
teolemonoups17:26
teolemononline for quantal17:26
teolemonnot avail for raring17:26
teolemonhttp://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-12.10-translation-stats.html17:26
dholbachmaybe dpm could make the scripts for this available somewhere?17:27
trijntjeHi all, sorry I'm late17:27
hanniewow, so many languages17:27
Gwaihirdholbach, I though it was already available...17:27
dholbachah ok... I didn't know17:28
dholbachthat might help get it up for 13.0417:28
dholbachmaybe a blog or mailing list post to get somebody take a look at the code17:28
Gwaihirshould be this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-translations-stats/trunk17:28
teolemonwe don't have access to the planet17:28
teolemondpm had17:28
pleia2teolemon: are none of you Ubuntu Members?17:29
teolemonnope17:29
teolemonnot me17:29
pleia2translations certainly count toward membership, I'd highly recommend it :)17:29
teolemonnot sure about the others17:29
dholbachyou really should be! :)17:29
cqfd93not me17:29
dholbachand talk about the great things you do17:29
hannietrijntje is17:29
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership is the guide towards it17:29
pleia2(one of the incentives is getting on planet to advertise your projects!)17:29
teolemonit's not an issue about hosting17:29
teolemonhum17:30
YoBoYteolemon, I am, if you write the text I can publish it17:30
teolemoncould we have like a translation blog rather ?17:30
dholbachI can tell from blog posts about added languages to the packaging/development guide that there is interest in that kind of stories17:30
teolemonalso17:30
teolemonaccess to the social media accounts17:30
Gwaihirteolemon, did the translation team have a dedicated blog? I do not remember that...17:30
dholbachteolemon, you could just set one up on wordpress.com or something and get it added as a project blog to planet17:30
teolemonnope17:30
pleia2if an Ubuntu Member takes responsibility for it, a translations blog could be added (ubuntuclassroom and others just use a free wordpress.com blog)17:30
teolemonwe set up http://traduire.ubuntu-fr.org/17:30
teolemonfor the French team17:30
teolemonand it's working great17:31
teolemonin addition to the social networks17:31
teolemonand all17:31
dholbachteolemon, can you send a mail to dpm and me about the social media aaccounts?17:31
YoBoYpleia2, I can take that responsability if it's fine for everyone17:31
pleia2YoBoY: works for me17:31
YoBoY(i have already all the right on that blog ^^')17:31
dholbach+117:31
pleia2:)17:31
teolemontakeover ?17:31
teolemon;-)17:31
YoBoYnop, you still have to write the post ;)17:32
trijntjeI've tried to integrate my ddtp_popsort with the scripts that generate ddtp, but I haven't heard back from mvo about it17:32
hanniewho or what is mvo?17:32
pleia2being mindful of time, are there other specific things we want to work through now, or should we invite follow-ups on email now that we've got things rolling?17:32
dholbachmvo is Michael Vogt17:32
teolemonto coordinate with Debian ?17:33
teolemonmvo again ?17:33
teolemonsomebody else ?17:33
dholbachhannie, the guy who wrote large parts of synaptic, apt, update-manager, software-center and other bits and pieces, a tea lover, huggable vegetarian hippie and good friend :)17:33
hanniedholbach, thanks for the info ;)17:34
dholbachmvo is a Debian maintainer too and knows the people in Debian who take care of DDTP17:34
teolemonok17:34
teolemonalso17:34
dholbachhe might be busy but at least have pointers17:34
teolemonchange of processes to ensure quality within a rolling release system17:34
teolemonany additional info you could give us about that ?17:34
teolemonin terms of technical implications ?17:35
* trijntje is just reading the wiki, isn't raring open for translation already?17:35
teolemonyes17:35
teolemonit's a summary from last time17:35
trijntjeteolemon: Oops, my bad17:35
pleia2teolemon: the tech board decided to have a ongoing "development" release but 6 month releases will continue (no rolling release)17:35
pleia2they just cut support for non-lts to 9 months (down from 18)17:36
hannieMarch 21, UI freeze raring17:36
teolemonso no potential issues for translations ?17:36
pleia2teolemon: that's the hope, things should continue as before17:36
teolemonpotentially more frequent sync with upstream that could avoid duplication ?17:36
teolemonin terms of translations17:36
Gwaihirteolemon, I have to check, but translations in Ubuntu should be synced each time there is an upstream release of the same package17:37
trijntjeteolemon: I've started that discussion on the ML, but I haven't sumarised the results yet17:37
hannieI do not see a great problem for translators17:37
teolemonand finally Google Summer of Code17:37
teolemondo you think it's worth creating a proposal ?17:38
trijntjeI agree with hannie: if we keep 6 month releases the impact on translators should be minimal17:38
dholbachteolemon, bkerensa, lfaraone and dylanmccall are working on the application for ubuntu as a mentoring organisation - results from Google should be there in 2-3 weeks(?)17:38
teolemonthe issue is that we'd need a technical mentar17:38
teolemonmentor17:38
dholbachteolemon, they are points of contact and there's the ubuntu-soc@ mailing list17:38
teolemonok17:38
dholbachteolemon, I'd try to do the following 1) agree in the team on a realistic set of things to work on, 2) ask on the mailing list who might be willing to mentor, 3) pick a student who you have confidence in and who maybe was part of the project before already or understands the project better17:39
dholbachsometimes you can achieve 100% of all 3 points, but it might help17:40
dholbachI'm very happy with how this meeting worked out - maybe it'd make sense to have a follow up meeting in the translations team and see what can be done about the issues we talked about?17:41
hannieI'm all for it17:41
trijntjedholbach: I'd like that, we are quite decapitated without dpm ;)17:42
dholbachas we have the membership board lined up as well... is there anything else important you want to talk about or where you'd like to see help from the CC?17:42
pleia2and feel free to ping any of us on irc if you run into trouble, we'll see what we can do :)17:43
dholbachyeah17:43
hanniethat's good to hear.17:43
dholbachall rightie17:43
pleia2#topic Membership Boards catch-up17:44
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dholbachthanks a bunch everyone for your tireless work!17:44
dholbachbig big hugs!17:44
trijntjethanks everyone17:44
hanniesee you all17:44
dholbachPendulum, cyphermox: still there? :)17:45
PendulumI'm here :)17:45
dholbachperfect!17:45
dholbachhow are the membership boards doing?17:45
pleia2for reference here's the breakdown of members by hour slot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5634753/17:45
czajkowskicheers pleia217:46
pleia2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards/SittingMembers17:46
pleia2realized it was on the wiki :)17:46
PendulumIn general good. We've cut down to one meeting a month for each board because there weren't enough applicants for each board to meet twice17:46
czajkowskicjohnston: hggdh IdleOne ping17:46
* pleia2 nods17:46
czajkowskiPendulum: makes sense17:46
PendulumIdleOne said he couldn't make it17:46
czajkowskiok17:46
cjohnstonhi17:46
PendulumThe biggest thing at the moment is looking at restaffing this year17:47
czajkowskiPendulum: do you think this will be hard?17:47
czajkowskimuch interest?17:47
pleia2so it looks like 2 expiring, 1 inactive for 12:00, and 2 expiring for 22:0017:47
cjohnstonpleia2: I believe we also had a 2200 resign17:48
pleia2ah yes, greg-g17:48
Pendulumright17:48
pleia2so 3 and 3, and eleanor and jared coming up in a few months17:48
pleia2(both of them are 12:0017:48
PendulumI think there was a 4th on the 2200 board, as well17:48
pleia2ah yes, beuno17:49
Pendulumyeah17:49
pleia2no, I counted him17:49
pleia222:00:17:49
pleia2Iulian Udrea17:49
pleia2Martin Albisetti17:49
pleia2Greg Grossmeier17:49
pleia2right?17:49
pleia212:00:17:50
pleia2Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre17:50
pleia2Penelope Stowe17:50
pleia2Russell John17:50
PendulumNorman is also up on the 2200 board this year17:50
* beuno looks down17:51
pleia2ah yes, so n0rman (22), eleanor and jared (12)17:51
Pendulumright17:51
pleia2so we can do another call in july to fill those three spots17:52
dholbachor do it all in one go? :)17:52
PendulumThe question we were wondering is if we want to do 2 calls this year17:52
pleia2yeah, probably not17:52
* dholbach is for doing one17:52
Pendulumas of right now, the people who are up in 2014 are all on the same date so it's only 1 call17:52
PendulumI like the idea of only doing 1 call a year17:52
dholbach+1 :)17:52
czajkowski+117:53
PendulumSo far the other folks on the boards seem to agree with me.17:53
PendulumI figure that makes it easier for the CC as well as the boards17:53
pleia2so do we ask everyone expiring this year to resubmit their name if they want another term? (if they don't want another term, they can just stay on until their term expires july/august)17:53
pleia2yeah17:53
beuno+117:53
dholbachso shall we extend memberships until July? that'd give us more time to write the announce and everything(?)17:53
PendulumThat makes sense to me. I think just about everyone on the 1200 board is planning on resubmitting17:54
pleia2I'm planning on putting out the call for nominees today, hoping it won't take more than 3 weeks or so17:54
dholbachI'll take an action to send a mail to the ubuntu council teams list to check the other councils/boards who's expiring in the S cycle17:54
pleia22 week nomination period, 1 week for CC to decide17:54
pleia2#action dholbach to send a mail to the ubuntu council teams list to check the other councils/boards who's expiring in the S cycle17:55
meetingologyACTION: dholbach to send a mail to the ubuntu council teams list to check the other councils/boards who's expiring in the S cycle17:55
czajkowskithat makes sense17:55
pleia2#action pleia2 to send out call for nominations for membership boards17:55
meetingologyACTION: pleia2 to send out call for nominations for membership boards17:55
dholbachexcellent17:55
pleia2so, 5 spots on 12:00, 4 on 22:0017:55
PendulumOne thing, personally, I'd really like to make sure is stressed in the call for nominations is that they do need to attend meetings17:55
pleia2noted17:55
czajkowskiPendulum: yes that's fair17:56
pleia2now that's sorted out, any other things we should talk about? :)17:56
dholbach:)17:57
pleia2ok, thanks for joining us Pendulum!17:58
PendulumI can't think of anything :)17:58
pleia2#topic other business17:58
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Pendulumyou're welcome! thanks for having us!17:58
cjohnstonnothin else here17:58
dholbachperfect!17:58
dholbachbig hugs!17:58
czajkowskilovely :)17:58
czajkowskithanks for joining folks17:58
pleia2I reached out to jbicha regarding docs stuff to see if we can move past the desktop docs being in a "critical" state17:58
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pleia2(he hasn't yet formally stepped down, but I am told it's still coming)17:58
czajkowskinods18:00
pleia2at a google hangout earlier this week a few folks stepped up to help move docs stuff along (get a better understanding of the whole process so we can train new people, then work on onboarding docs for new contributors and finally announce accepting of new contributors)18:00
czajkowskithe hangout was good18:00
dholbachpleia2, that's brilliant - did they say what kind of help they needed?18:00
pleia2dholbach: nothing new than from our last meeting18:01
czajkowskidholbach: I think jono was going to talk to you re docs :)18:01
ScottKAFAICT, no one seems to be doing a lot of work coordinating server documentation.18:01
pleia2no one we actually spoke to on the hangout was actually at the hangout, just folks interested in helping18:01
pleia2ScottK: did one of the ubuntu development teams end up getting commit access?18:02
dholbachczajkowski, ok18:02
ScottKpleia2: Not sure.  I haven't actually gone back and tried.18:02
ScottKI should do that.18:02
pleia2yeah, I don't remember a resolution to that thread18:02
pleia2essentially the core of all these problems is that people want to help, but the barriers to entry are too high, and folks who can help with lowering them are too busy18:03
pleia2I'll keep server docs in mind as we move forward with desktop docs, thanks ScottK18:03
ScottKThanks.18:03
pleia2ok, sounds like that's it18:05
pleia2thanks everyone :18:05
pleia2:)18:05
dholbachthanks a bunch!18:05
dholbachhave a great rest of your day!18:05
pleia2#endmeeting18:05
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YoBoYthanks everyone :)18:06
dholbachpleia2, thanks for chairing18:06
hggdhczajkowski: sorry, confused TZs18:13
cyphermoxoh, shucks. I thought the meeting wasn't until tonight :/18:14
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