[17:00] <m_amine> Hello, I want to remove "samba" to prevent unnecessary updates, will this action cause problems ?
[17:01] <dholbach> m_amine, can you ask in #ubuntu instead?
[17:01] <dholbach> this channel is just for meetings
[17:01] <m_amine> ok, thanks.
[17:01] <dholbach> all the best!
[17:01] <teolemon> any translators around ?
[17:01] <teolemon> :-)
[17:01] <dholbach> Gwaihir, pleia2, czajkowski, cprofitt, beuno? :)
[17:02] <dholbach> hi teolemon
[17:02] <pleia2> o/
[17:02] <Gwaihir> o/
[17:02] <beuno> o/
[17:02] <teolemon> cqfd93 :-)
[17:02] <cqfd93> yes!
[17:02] <czajkowski> aloha \o/
[17:02] <dholbach> and I just thought you typed your password into the wrong window :-)
[17:03] <teolemon> hello hannie :-)
[17:03] <YoBoY> Hi
[17:03] <hannie> hi teolemon
[17:03] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[17:03] <pleia2> welcome to the Community Council meeting :)
[17:04] <pleia2> #chair dholbach Gwaihir czajkowski beuno cprofitt
[17:04] <meetingology> Current chairs: Gwaihir beuno cprofitt czajkowski dholbach pleia2
[17:04] <dholbach> it seems like we have 3 translation team members here at least already - shall we start with them? :)
[17:04] <dholbach> and maybe round up the membership board folks in the meantime?
[17:04] <pleia2> sure
[17:04] <dholbach> perfect
[17:04] <pleia2> #topic Translations team check-in
[17:04] <Pendulum> I'm here. I'm not sure if anyone else from the membership boards
[17:04] <Pendulum> could make it
[17:04] <pleia2> Pendulum: great :)
[17:05] <dholbach> welcome teolemon, cqfd93, hannie - anyone else here from the translations team?
[17:05] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[17:05] <hannie> thanks dholbach doing fine
[17:05] <dholbach> did you have some discussions about the things we talked about in our last meeting?
[17:05] <cqfd93> thanks. doing fine
[17:05] <teolemon> i pulled smg together
[17:05] <teolemon> this afternoon
[17:05] <teolemon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2013-03-21#
[17:05] <teolemon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2013-03-21
[17:05] <pleia2> smg?
[17:06] <teolemon> something
[17:06] <pleia2> teolemon: oh that's great
[17:06] <czajkowski> that's very useful thanks
[17:07] <pleia2> so we tried to get together a chat with dpm after last meeting, but he's been super busy and we weren't able to coordinate something between the time he replied and then went off on vacation (not sure when he's due back)
[17:07] <dholbach> next week AFAIK
[17:07] <dholbach> I love some of the ideas on the wiki page
[17:07] <teolemon> for me i'm doing fine
[17:08] <hannie> David Planella: I am currently out of the office until Mon 25th March 2012.
[17:08] <teolemon> we're happy to report we've finished translating DDTP MAIN
[17:08] <teolemon> MULTIVERSE
[17:08] <teolemon> and
[17:08] <teolemon> RESTRICTED
[17:08] <dholbach> YES
[17:08] <cqfd93> we're still working on main :-)
[17:08] <teolemon> 400 strings
[17:08] <dholbach> that must have been lots of work
[17:08] <teolemon> come on :-)
[17:08] <hannie> teolemon, congratulations. It is quite a job
[17:08] <dholbach> do you feel like the list on the wiki page is complete or at least lists the most important problems?
[17:08] <pleia2> oh, which translations teams are you from?
[17:09] <teolemon> we've used automated translations from Google Translator Kit
[17:09] <YoBoY> pleia2, french
[17:09] <hannie> dholbach, I just replied to the translators list on that subject
[17:09] <cqfd93> french (Sylvie Gallet)
[17:10] <teolemon> the pad is bugging a lot
[17:10] <teolemon> there are some extra spaces
[17:10] <teolemon> i can't remove
[17:11] <dholbach> thanks for replying on the mailing list, but I just meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2013-03-21# - do you think that's complete and lists the biggest issues you're looking at right now?
[17:11] <hannie> ah, sorry
[17:11] <Gwaihir> there's a couple of things in there that I guess will not easy fixable, if at all... .-/
[17:11] <Gwaihir> the fuzzy thing is the first that comes to my eye
[17:12] <dholbach> maybe it'd make sense to sort it by priority and then start commenting as a team and see what we can do about them
[17:12] <hannie> good idea
[17:12] <dholbach> for example the DDTP questions might be something where mvo could shed some light on
[17:12] <Gwaihir> that makes sense, yes
[17:13] <dholbach> and the GSoC idea is great
[17:13] <Gwaihir> yes, he usually was involved in the past about that, I actually thought that that problem was already sorted out
[17:13] <dholbach> ... if Ubuntu will be picked as a mentoring organisation
[17:13] <pleia2> so, it looks like jcastro can add folks to the trello board - can those who want access bug him? :)
[17:13] <pleia2> (we'll sort out admin after dpm gets back)
[17:13] <jcastro> yeah
[17:14] <jcastro> I can add whoever
[17:14] <teolemon> also an item about scaling our process for the ddtp to all languages, and engage globally with Debian
[17:14] <teolemon> yes please
[17:14] <teolemon> i'd like to update it
[17:14] <dholbach> is there any of the topics you'd particularly like to talk about or where you'd like to get some help with?
[17:14] <hannie> Yes, Nightmonkey
[17:15] <teolemon> a bunch of links about the ddtp
[17:15] <jcastro> I just need to know which accounts to elevate?
[17:15] <teolemon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/DDTP
[17:15] <teolemon> pierre.slamich@gmail.com
[17:16] <teolemon> @pierreslamich
[17:16] <meetingology> teolemon: Error: "pierreslamich" is not a valid command.
[17:16] <Gwaihir> hannie, does Nightmonkey work or it has the same timeout problem?
[17:17] <hannie> Nightmonkey is not working anymore, which is very sad, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nightmonkey
[17:17] <teolemon> LP still has the timeout issue
[17:17] <teolemon> it works for restricted
[17:17] <teolemon> kinda works for multiverse
[17:18] <teolemon> and doesn't for main and universe
[17:18] <dholbach> do you know if there's a bug filed for the issue?
[17:18] <teolemon> yes
[17:18] <czajkowski> teolemon: many of the times outs that are tagged critical should be fixed in the coming months
[17:18] <dholbach> might be worth linking it in the wiki
[17:18] <czajkowski> we're down to the last 100 crtical bugs
[17:18] <pleia2> czajkowski: yay!
[17:18] <teolemon> linked in the page
[17:18] <czajkowski> but if you have a specific bug numbe rI can follow up on that for you and see when it will be fixed.
[17:18] <teolemon> i hope to live long enough to see it solved :-)
[17:19] <cqfd93> :-)
[17:19] <czajkowski> we had over 300 :)
[17:19] <czajkowski> so we're doing well
[17:19] <teolemon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/+bug/869824
[17:19] <hannie> My collegue, Redmar, has written a nifty program to sort ddtp on popularity
[17:20] <czajkowski> wil follow up on that tomorrow and let folks know when approximately it will get looked at
[17:20] <teolemon> does he have the rights to sort it ?
[17:20] <teolemon> my understanding is that the ddtp templates haven't been updated
[17:20] <hannie> teolemon, it can be sorted offline
[17:20] <teolemon> and reuploaded ?
[17:21] <hannie> that's not (yet) possible
[17:21] <teolemon> as we use automated suggestions from the bogus project, we translate online
[17:22] <teolemon> so it's helpful for us if the online version is sorted
[17:22] <hannie> yes, we had a discussion about that on the translators list
[17:22] <teolemon> yes
[17:22] <teolemon> and something that worries me
[17:22] <teolemon> it's not synced with upstream
[17:22] <czajkowski> Is there something the CC can help with in the mean time?
[17:22] <teolemon> some packages do not exist anymore upstream
[17:22] <teolemon> and some strings have been modified
[17:23] <dholbach> maybe it'd make sense to get mvo into the loop
[17:23] <teolemon> and there's a patch
[17:23] <teolemon> that sould be applied
[17:23] <teolemon> see this bug
[17:23] <teolemon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/+bug/1106174
[17:24] <teolemon> been sleeping for 2 months
[17:24] <dholbach> yeah, as I said: maybe best to ping mvo directly - he might know who to bug or what to do
[17:25] <teolemon> ok
[17:25] <dholbach> great
[17:25] <dholbach> wow, this feels very productive already :)
[17:25] <pleia2> :)
[17:25] <dholbach> do you do regular meetings in the team?
[17:25] <teolemon> pinging dpm about the statistics tools
[17:25] <teolemon> no
[17:25] <teolemon> which is offline
[17:26] <czajkowski> teolemon: do you have a link to it
[17:26] <teolemon> oups
[17:26] <teolemon> online for quantal
[17:26] <teolemon> not avail for raring
[17:26] <teolemon> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-12.10-translation-stats.html
[17:27] <dholbach> maybe dpm could make the scripts for this available somewhere?
[17:27] <trijntje> Hi all, sorry I'm late
[17:27] <hannie> wow, so many languages
[17:27] <Gwaihir> dholbach, I though it was already available...
[17:28] <dholbach> ah ok... I didn't know
[17:28] <dholbach> that might help get it up for 13.04
[17:28] <dholbach> maybe a blog or mailing list post to get somebody take a look at the code
[17:28] <Gwaihir> should be this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-translations-stats/trunk
[17:28] <teolemon> we don't have access to the planet
[17:28] <teolemon> dpm had
[17:29] <pleia2> teolemon: are none of you Ubuntu Members?
[17:29] <teolemon> nope
[17:29] <teolemon> not me
[17:29] <pleia2> translations certainly count toward membership, I'd highly recommend it :)
[17:29] <teolemon> not sure about the others
[17:29] <dholbach> you really should be! :)
[17:29] <cqfd93> not me
[17:29] <dholbach> and talk about the great things you do
[17:29] <hannie> trijntje is
[17:29] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership is the guide towards it
[17:29] <pleia2> (one of the incentives is getting on planet to advertise your projects!)
[17:29] <teolemon> it's not an issue about hosting
[17:30] <teolemon> hum
[17:30] <YoBoY> teolemon, I am, if you write the text I can publish it
[17:30] <teolemon> could we have like a translation blog rather ?
[17:30] <dholbach> I can tell from blog posts about added languages to the packaging/development guide that there is interest in that kind of stories
[17:30] <teolemon> also
[17:30] <teolemon> access to the social media accounts
[17:30] <Gwaihir> teolemon, did the translation team have a dedicated blog? I do not remember that...
[17:30] <dholbach> teolemon, you could just set one up on wordpress.com or something and get it added as a project blog to planet
[17:30] <teolemon> nope
[17:30] <pleia2> if an Ubuntu Member takes responsibility for it, a translations blog could be added (ubuntuclassroom and others just use a free wordpress.com blog)
[17:30] <teolemon> we set up http://traduire.ubuntu-fr.org/
[17:30] <teolemon> for the French team
[17:31] <teolemon> and it's working great
[17:31] <teolemon> in addition to the social networks
[17:31] <teolemon> and all
[17:31] <dholbach> teolemon, can you send a mail to dpm and me about the social media aaccounts?
[17:31] <YoBoY> pleia2, I can take that responsability if it's fine for everyone
[17:31] <pleia2> YoBoY: works for me
[17:31] <YoBoY> (i have already all the right on that blog ^^')
[17:31] <dholbach> +1
[17:31] <pleia2> :)
[17:31] <teolemon> takeover ?
[17:31] <teolemon> ;-)
[17:32] <YoBoY> nop, you still have to write the post ;)
[17:32] <trijntje> I've tried to integrate my ddtp_popsort with the scripts that generate ddtp, but I haven't heard back from mvo about it
[17:32] <hannie> who or what is mvo?
[17:32] <pleia2> being mindful of time, are there other specific things we want to work through now, or should we invite follow-ups on email now that we've got things rolling?
[17:32] <dholbach> mvo is Michael Vogt
[17:33] <teolemon> to coordinate with Debian ?
[17:33] <teolemon> mvo again ?
[17:33] <teolemon> somebody else ?
[17:33] <dholbach> hannie, the guy who wrote large parts of synaptic, apt, update-manager, software-center and other bits and pieces, a tea lover, huggable vegetarian hippie and good friend :)
[17:34] <hannie> dholbach, thanks for the info ;)
[17:34] <dholbach> mvo is a Debian maintainer too and knows the people in Debian who take care of DDTP
[17:34] <teolemon> ok
[17:34] <teolemon> also
[17:34] <dholbach> he might be busy but at least have pointers
[17:34] <teolemon> change of processes to ensure quality within a rolling release system
[17:34] <teolemon> any additional info you could give us about that ?
[17:35] <teolemon> in terms of technical implications ?
[17:35]  * trijntje is just reading the wiki, isn't raring open for translation already?
[17:35] <teolemon> yes
[17:35] <teolemon> it's a summary from last time
[17:35] <trijntje> teolemon: Oops, my bad
[17:35] <pleia2> teolemon: the tech board decided to have a ongoing "development" release but 6 month releases will continue (no rolling release)
[17:36] <pleia2> they just cut support for non-lts to 9 months (down from 18)
[17:36] <hannie> March 21, UI freeze raring
[17:36] <teolemon> so no potential issues for translations ?
[17:36] <pleia2> teolemon: that's the hope, things should continue as before
[17:36] <teolemon> potentially more frequent sync with upstream that could avoid duplication ?
[17:36] <teolemon> in terms of translations
[17:37] <Gwaihir> teolemon, I have to check, but translations in Ubuntu should be synced each time there is an upstream release of the same package
[17:37] <trijntje> teolemon: I've started that discussion on the ML, but I haven't sumarised the results yet
[17:37] <hannie> I do not see a great problem for translators
[17:37] <teolemon> and finally Google Summer of Code
[17:38] <teolemon> do you think it's worth creating a proposal ?
[17:38] <trijntje> I agree with hannie: if we keep 6 month releases the impact on translators should be minimal
[17:38] <dholbach> teolemon, bkerensa, lfaraone and dylanmccall are working on the application for ubuntu as a mentoring organisation - results from Google should be there in 2-3 weeks(?)
[17:38] <teolemon> the issue is that we'd need a technical mentar
[17:38] <teolemon> mentor
[17:38] <dholbach> teolemon, they are points of contact and there's the ubuntu-soc@ mailing list
[17:38] <teolemon> ok
[17:39] <dholbach> teolemon, I'd try to do the following 1) agree in the team on a realistic set of things to work on, 2) ask on the mailing list who might be willing to mentor, 3) pick a student who you have confidence in and who maybe was part of the project before already or understands the project better
[17:40] <dholbach> sometimes you can achieve 100% of all 3 points, but it might help
[17:41] <dholbach> I'm very happy with how this meeting worked out - maybe it'd make sense to have a follow up meeting in the translations team and see what can be done about the issues we talked about?
[17:41] <hannie> I'm all for it
[17:42] <trijntje> dholbach: I'd like that, we are quite decapitated without dpm ;)
[17:42] <dholbach> as we have the membership board lined up as well... is there anything else important you want to talk about or where you'd like to see help from the CC?
[17:43] <pleia2> and feel free to ping any of us on irc if you run into trouble, we'll see what we can do :)
[17:43] <dholbach> yeah
[17:43] <hannie> that's good to hear.
[17:43] <dholbach> all rightie
[17:44] <pleia2> #topic Membership Boards catch-up
[17:44] <dholbach> thanks a bunch everyone for your tireless work!
[17:44] <dholbach> big big hugs!
[17:44] <trijntje> thanks everyone
[17:44] <hannie> see you all
[17:45] <dholbach> Pendulum, cyphermox: still there? :)
[17:45] <Pendulum> I'm here :)
[17:45] <dholbach> perfect!
[17:45] <dholbach> how are the membership boards doing?
[17:45] <pleia2> for reference here's the breakdown of members by hour slot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5634753/
[17:46] <czajkowski> cheers pleia2
[17:46] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards/SittingMembers
[17:46] <pleia2> realized it was on the wiki :)
[17:46] <Pendulum> In general good. We've cut down to one meeting a month for each board because there weren't enough applicants for each board to meet twice
[17:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: hggdh IdleOne ping
[17:46]  * pleia2 nods
[17:46] <czajkowski> Pendulum: makes sense
[17:46] <Pendulum> IdleOne said he couldn't make it
[17:46] <czajkowski> ok
[17:46] <cjohnston> hi
[17:47] <Pendulum> The biggest thing at the moment is looking at restaffing this year
[17:47] <czajkowski> Pendulum: do you think this will be hard?
[17:47] <czajkowski> much interest?
[17:47] <pleia2> so it looks like 2 expiring, 1 inactive for 12:00, and 2 expiring for 22:00
[17:48] <cjohnston> pleia2: I believe we also had a 2200 resign
[17:48] <pleia2> ah yes, greg-g
[17:48] <Pendulum> right
[17:48] <pleia2> so 3 and 3, and eleanor and jared coming up in a few months
[17:48] <pleia2> (both of them are 12:00
[17:48] <Pendulum> I think there was a 4th on the 2200 board, as well
[17:49] <pleia2> ah yes, beuno
[17:49] <Pendulum> yeah
[17:49] <pleia2> no, I counted him
[17:49] <pleia2> 22:00:
[17:49] <pleia2> Iulian Udrea
[17:49] <pleia2> Martin Albisetti
[17:49] <pleia2> Greg Grossmeier
[17:49] <pleia2> right?
[17:50] <pleia2> 12:00:
[17:50] <pleia2> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
[17:50] <pleia2> Penelope Stowe
[17:50] <pleia2> Russell John
[17:50] <Pendulum> Norman is also up on the 2200 board this year
[17:51]  * beuno looks down
[17:51] <pleia2> ah yes, so n0rman (22), eleanor and jared (12)
[17:51] <Pendulum> right
[17:52] <pleia2> so we can do another call in july to fill those three spots
[17:52] <dholbach> or do it all in one go? :)
[17:52] <Pendulum> The question we were wondering is if we want to do 2 calls this year
[17:52] <pleia2> yeah, probably not
[17:52]  * dholbach is for doing one
[17:52] <Pendulum> as of right now, the people who are up in 2014 are all on the same date so it's only 1 call
[17:52] <Pendulum> I like the idea of only doing 1 call a year
[17:52] <dholbach> +1 :)
[17:53] <czajkowski> +1
[17:53] <Pendulum> So far the other folks on the boards seem to agree with me.
[17:53] <Pendulum> I figure that makes it easier for the CC as well as the boards
[17:53] <pleia2> so do we ask everyone expiring this year to resubmit their name if they want another term? (if they don't want another term, they can just stay on until their term expires july/august)
[17:53] <pleia2> yeah
[17:53] <beuno> +1
[17:53] <dholbach> so shall we extend memberships until July? that'd give us more time to write the announce and everything(?)
[17:54] <Pendulum> That makes sense to me. I think just about everyone on the 1200 board is planning on resubmitting
[17:54] <pleia2> I'm planning on putting out the call for nominees today, hoping it won't take more than 3 weeks or so
[17:54] <dholbach> I'll take an action to send a mail to the ubuntu council teams list to check the other councils/boards who's expiring in the S cycle
[17:54] <pleia2> 2 week nomination period, 1 week for CC to decide
[17:55] <pleia2> #action dholbach to send a mail to the ubuntu council teams list to check the other councils/boards who's expiring in the S cycle
[17:55] <meetingology> ACTION: dholbach to send a mail to the ubuntu council teams list to check the other councils/boards who's expiring in the S cycle
[17:55] <czajkowski> that makes sense
[17:55] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to send out call for nominations for membership boards
[17:55] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to send out call for nominations for membership boards
[17:55] <dholbach> excellent
[17:55] <pleia2> so, 5 spots on 12:00, 4 on 22:00
[17:55] <Pendulum> One thing, personally, I'd really like to make sure is stressed in the call for nominations is that they do need to attend meetings
[17:55] <pleia2> noted
[17:56] <czajkowski> Pendulum: yes that's fair
[17:56] <pleia2> now that's sorted out, any other things we should talk about? :)
[17:57] <dholbach> :)
[17:58] <pleia2> ok, thanks for joining us Pendulum!
[17:58] <Pendulum> I can't think of anything :)
[17:58] <pleia2> #topic other business
[17:58] <Pendulum> you're welcome! thanks for having us!
[17:58] <cjohnston> nothin else here
[17:58] <dholbach> perfect!
[17:58] <dholbach> big hugs!
[17:58] <czajkowski> lovely :)
[17:58] <czajkowski> thanks for joining folks
[17:58] <pleia2> I reached out to jbicha regarding docs stuff to see if we can move past the desktop docs being in a "critical" state
[17:58] <pleia2> (he hasn't yet formally stepped down, but I am told it's still coming)
[18:00] <czajkowski> nods
[18:00] <pleia2> at a google hangout earlier this week a few folks stepped up to help move docs stuff along (get a better understanding of the whole process so we can train new people, then work on onboarding docs for new contributors and finally announce accepting of new contributors)
[18:00] <czajkowski> the hangout was good
[18:00] <dholbach> pleia2, that's brilliant - did they say what kind of help they needed?
[18:01] <pleia2> dholbach: nothing new than from our last meeting
[18:01] <czajkowski> dholbach: I think jono was going to talk to you re docs :)
[18:01] <ScottK> AFAICT, no one seems to be doing a lot of work coordinating server documentation.
[18:01] <pleia2> no one we actually spoke to on the hangout was actually at the hangout, just folks interested in helping
[18:02] <pleia2> ScottK: did one of the ubuntu development teams end up getting commit access?
[18:02] <dholbach> czajkowski, ok
[18:02] <ScottK> pleia2: Not sure.  I haven't actually gone back and tried.
[18:02] <ScottK> I should do that.
[18:02] <pleia2> yeah, I don't remember a resolution to that thread
[18:03] <pleia2> essentially the core of all these problems is that people want to help, but the barriers to entry are too high, and folks who can help with lowering them are too busy
[18:03] <pleia2> I'll keep server docs in mind as we move forward with desktop docs, thanks ScottK
[18:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:05] <pleia2> ok, sounds like that's it
[18:05] <pleia2> thanks everyone :
[18:05] <pleia2> :)
[18:05] <dholbach> thanks a bunch!
[18:05] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day!
[18:05] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[18:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar 21 18:05:46 2013 UTC.
[18:05] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-21-17.03.moin.txt
[18:05] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-21-17.03.html
[18:06] <YoBoY> thanks everyone :)
[18:06] <dholbach> pleia2, thanks for chairing
[18:13] <hggdh> czajkowski: sorry, confused TZs
[18:14] <cyphermox> oh, shucks. I thought the meeting wasn't until tonight :/