[00:21] <rsalveti> sergiusens: any idea why CI is not doing the autobuild and such for https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/platform-api/inline-packaging/+merge/153874 ?
[00:22] <xnox> rsalveti: not approved / +1 by anyone?
[00:22]  * xnox thought there needs to be one approved first.
[00:22] <xnox> unless I'm not in the "right" team memberships again....
[00:23] <rsalveti> xnox: it should build and publish the package build results as soon you open up a MR
[00:23] <rsalveti> also, for every new commit you push
[00:23] <rsalveti> to avoid build failures before actually approving the package
[00:23] <ajalkane> /quitf
[00:23] <rsalveti> but nothing is happening with this mr, don't know why
[00:24] <rsalveti> xnox: also added a commit message to the mr, that would case failure as well
[00:24] <rsalveti> the CI script uses the commit message as part of the bzr merge commit log
[00:25] <xnox> does it not know how to use debcommit as a fallback?
[00:25]  * xnox uses
[00:25] <xnox> $ cat ~/.bazaar/builddeb.conf
[00:25] <xnox> [BUILDDEB]
[00:25] <xnox> commit-message-from-changelog=True
[00:26] <xnox> (most of the time, like when merging in the branches)
[00:26] <rsalveti> xnox: don't think that's supported at the CI script itself yet
[00:49] <sergiusens> rsalveti: let me check
[00:49]  * sergiusens was at a FLISOL meetup
[00:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: my first thought would be that xnox is not part of product strategy
[00:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: but why would CI not run because of that?
[00:53] <rsalveti> I thought that the only restriction would be if he decided to top approve the mr
[00:58] <sergiusens> rsalveti: there's a security check to avoid people not allowed to see if that person can contribute
[00:58] <sergiusens> rsalveti: phone-app has all tests passing, gj boiko !
[00:59] <rsalveti> yup :-)
[00:59] <boiko> sergiusens: yeah, autopilot itself is a bit shaky still though
[00:59] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sorry, didn't catch why the security check
[00:59] <sergiusens> boiko: what issues?
[01:00] <rsalveti> thought it could be to not allow any random code to run
[01:00] <sergiusens> rsalveti: Contributor Agreement and stuff like that... I didn't do it initially though ;-)
[01:00] <boiko> sergiusens: some tests fail randomly, and when they fail, the video shows the phone-app launched, but the mouse pointer won't move
[01:00] <rsalveti> and all the other checks would happen once the MR is top approved
[01:00] <sergiusens> rsalveti: also that... you can do anything on the server with test code ;-)
[01:00] <rsalveti> sergiusens: well, xnox works for canonical
[01:00] <sergiusens> boiko: virtualization woes I guess
[01:00] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[01:01] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, I think the original config is only for PS... give me a sec to check
[01:01] <rsalveti> well, we need to improve this then
[01:01] <rsalveti> we want to at least make the CI to work for people that accepted the ca
[01:01] <rsalveti> which we can check via a lp group
[01:01] <rsalveti> don't remember which one though
[01:01] <boiko> sergiusens: maybe
[01:05] <xnox> btw, I'm sure i have signed CA before becoming canonical way back when, but it doesn't look like i got added to the right teams at the time.
[01:07] <rsalveti> time to watch some football
[01:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: bugs logged decades ago ;-)
[01:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/jenkins-launchpad-plugin/+bug/1134428
[01:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/jenkins-launchpad-plugin/+bug/1134435
[01:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: but this is to allow people happroving mrs
[01:09] <rsalveti> at this case the ci is not running at all
[01:26] <rsalveti> sergiusens: lool top approved https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/phablet-tools/fix-for-1139999/+merge/153419 for example
[01:26] <rsalveti> the package version seems wrong in this case, should not have ubuntu1
[01:26] <rsalveti> and we have a few others as well, just interesting why this only happened for platform-api
[01:27] <rsalveti> might be something specific with xnox :-)
[01:27] <sergiusens> rsalveti: give me a couple to check
[01:28] <rsalveti> boiko: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phone-app/fix_updated_uitk/+merge/154552 failed
[01:28] <boiko> rsalveti: yeah, autopilot tests again :/
[01:28]  * xnox did not mean to cause trouble
[01:28] <rsalveti> xnox: haha, you probably just found a bug ;-)
[01:29] <boiko> rsalveti: setting to approved again, let's see if I have a better luck this time
[01:31] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, issue is what I though
[01:32] <sergiusens> rsalveti http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5632948/
[01:33] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, but why not allowed?
[01:33] <rsalveti> as ogra and lool are both able to trigger them? (based on some other mrs)
[01:34] <sergiusens> rsalveti: they might be in the canonical-desktop-team
[01:37] <sergiusens> rsalveti: don't go crazy, I'm going to fix and just add 'Canonical' or the team it is associated too
[01:37] <sergiusens> rsalveti: weird... seems to be a bug when adding groups... I see all the folk you mentioned manually added
[01:37] <sergiusens> rsalveti: anyways... the job is running, xnox is whitelisted
[01:37] <sergiusens> rsalveti: MR is updated
[01:38] <rsalveti> sergiusens: cool, thanks
[01:38] <lool> ogra_: I guess it's unlikely people use ubuntu-touch on powerpc, but would it make sense to list it again just so that it doesn't FTBFS there?  this doesn't seem super architecture specific
[01:38] <xnox> sergiusens: rsalveti: with some other jenkins jobs, it was the case that it could not check membership in private teams. thus one coulding just check 'Canonical' for example.
[01:40] <rsalveti> right, makes sense
[01:40] <sergiusens> xnox: I added 'canonical' which is the team name for 'Canonical' and no dice.. I needed to add you manually
[01:40] <sergiusens> xnox: teams aren't just working for the whitelist it seems
[01:44]  * xnox got a thumbs up from jenkins! I must be awesome =)
[01:45] <rsalveti> boiko: weird, I'm able to send the sms from the telephony-app, but then the message is not available at the app itself
[01:45] <rsalveti> it stays blank, and once I move back to the call ui, or contacts, the log is not there
[01:45] <rsalveti> is that related with the crashing issue as well?
[01:46] <boiko> rsalveti: hmm, interesting, no messages at all showing in the conversation view?
[01:46] <rsalveti> boiko: nops
[01:46] <rsalveti> just the number at the top and a blank conversation log below
[01:47] <rsalveti> receiving is fine, just when I send the message
[01:48] <boiko> rsalveti: interesting, I'll check that, but probably tomorrow, might be related to some big changes I did last week
[01:49] <rsalveti> boiko: right, np
[01:51] <rsalveti> boiko: yup, can receive fine but when sending it is not storing the message at the conversation log
[01:51] <boiko> rsalveti: closing the app and opening again shows the messages there, right?
[01:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: do you have a vanilla pbuilder chroot avail?
[01:52] <rsalveti> boiko: just the ones I received
[01:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: probably not, but can build if needed, what needs testing?
[01:52] <boiko> rsalveti: really? closing the app and opening again is not showing the ones you sent? hmm, interesting
[01:52] <rsalveti> boiko: will test again once the new version lands
[01:52] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I know I have a vanilla one... but I notice python is installed by default... might be because I used the pes pbuild script...
[01:53] <sergiusens> might be the extra packages thing
[01:53] <rsalveti> sergiusens: it's because pbuilder install build-essential I believe
[01:53] <rsalveti> sergiusens: just do a rev dep
[01:54] <boiko> rsalveti: other autopilot tests failed, this is not funny anymore :/
[01:54] <rsalveti> boiko: hm, it's now at the log after rebooting
[01:54] <rsalveti> boiko: :-(
[01:55] <sergiusens> boiko: logs?
[01:55] <rsalveti> lol, after closing and opening it up again they are gone
[01:55] <boiko> sergiusens: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner/198/?
[01:56] <boiko> sergiusens: and it is not even the same tests, every time a different test fails
[01:57] <boiko> rsalveti: this is really strange, would you mind running it from the console to see if there is anything interesting in the output?
[01:58] <rsalveti> boiko: sure
[01:59] <sergiusens> boiko: from the log it feels like the tests are racing... are you using Eventually always?
[01:59] <rsalveti> boiko: hm, both phone-app and telephony-app are installed
[02:00] <sergiusens> boiko: have you ever seen/read: https://lists.launchpad.net/autopilot-users/msg00000.html
[02:00] <boiko> sergiusens: in most if not all places
[02:00] <rsalveti> boiko: and neither is showing at the screen when launching from cmdline
[02:01] <rsalveti> qml-phone-shell 1.64
[02:01] <sergiusens> boiko: let me streamline it then
[02:02] <boiko> rsalveti: are you running with --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/phone-app.desktop ?
[02:02] <rsalveti> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:02] <rsalveti>   indicators-client-examples qml-phone-shell telephony-app
[02:02] <rsalveti> when trying to remove telephony-app
[02:02] <rsalveti> nops
[02:02] <boiko> rsalveti: when running from cmdline you need to use that arg
[02:02] <rsalveti> got it
[02:03] <boiko> rsalveti: interesting the dependency of indicators-client-examples on telephony-app
[02:03] <rsalveti> boiko: no logs at all
[02:03] <rsalveti> might be from qml-phone-shell
[02:03] <rsalveti> did we rename the dep there?
[02:05] <rsalveti> indeed, it might be from the indicator
[02:05] <boiko> rsalveti: there I  didn't rename anything that I remember
[02:05] <rsalveti> boiko: yup
[02:05] <rsalveti> Package: indicators-client-examples
[02:05] <rsalveti> Architecture: all
[02:05] <rsalveti>          telephony-app,
[02:07] <rsalveti> boiko: mind checking if that needs update as well?
[02:07] <rsalveti> not sure why it depends on the telephony-app
[02:07] <boiko> rsalveti: that probably needs update
[02:08] <boiko> rsalveti: the fake data needs the desktop files that are in telephony-app
[02:08] <rsalveti> boiko: got it
[02:08] <boiko> rsalveti: I'll update and place an MR, in a minute
[02:09] <rsalveti> boiko: sure, thanks
[02:09] <dank101> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aflrbwna44
[02:09] <dank101> best
[02:09] <dank101> chrome
[02:09] <dank101> ad
[02:09] <dank101> ever
[02:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/notes-app/python-dep/+merge/154574
[02:11] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah, I remember I had to add python in another mr last week
[02:11] <rsalveti> might be similar
[02:12] <rsalveti> $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.7/distutils/sysconfig.py
[02:12] <rsalveti> libpython2.7-stdlib:amd64: /usr/lib/python2.7/distutils/sysconfig.py
[02:12] <rsalveti> which is probably installed by the main python package
[02:13] <rsalveti> sergiusens: guess just this package might be enough
[02:13] <rsalveti> but depending on python might be easier to avoid similar issues later
[02:13] <boiko> sergiusens: anything I can do for the tests, or should I just try approving it again?
[02:16] <boiko> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/indicators-client/rename_phoneapp/+merge/154575
[02:17] <boiko> rsalveti: but better wait for ci to run
[02:17] <rsalveti> boiko: right
[02:33] <sergiusens> boiko: I'll take care... sorry, was on the phone
[02:34] <boiko> sergiusens: ok, no problems, the only think I can think about is that I'm not waiting for the startup, I can add a condition on that in the tests
[02:34] <boiko> let me do that
[02:35] <boiko> sergiusens: I'll cancel the currently running job to submit my change, ok?
[02:37] <insink71> after playing with this on gnex for a little bit.. I see its promise :)
[02:39] <sergiusens> boiko: ok
[02:39] <sergiusens> boiko: was just looking
[02:40] <sergiusens> boiko: that Eventually would seem to do the trick
[02:41] <boiko> sergiusens: so, I use Eventually in all checks
[02:41] <boiko> sergiusens: the only thing I was not doing was the wait for the UI to show thing
[02:43] <boiko> sergiusens: oh, you merged the changes
[02:44] <insink71> might there be a trick for setting a static ip for networking?
[02:44] <boiko> sergiusens: so, I ended up pushing the other autopilot change to the same branch, but I see you merged it, so I can push that fix to a separate branch tomorrow morning
[02:45] <boiko> sergiusens: now I only need this one to land, and I'm good for the day: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phone-app/release_0.59.1/+merge/154560
[02:54] <boiko> sergiusens: I'll delete the release MR, and create again without the dependency
[02:55] <rsalveti> insink71: not actually, it uses NM
[02:55] <rsalveti> you are even able to use the same config generated at your desktop, just need to remove the mac address
[02:57] <boiko> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phone-app/release_0.59.1/+merge/154581
[02:58] <rsalveti> boiko: did the one it's depending failed again?
[02:59] <boiko> rsalveti: I think sergiusens did some magic trick, it got merged
[02:59] <rsalveti> got it
[03:01] <sergiusens> boiko: I am lost
[03:01] <sergiusens> boiko: two MRs with basically the same thing
[03:01] <sergiusens> which one do you want?
[03:01] <insink71> hmm nm allows support for static ip.. Right click on the applet and select edit connections. .  I gotta super secure admin that gave me one address entry at work ;) everywhere else dhcp is fine
[03:02] <sergiusens> boiko: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phone-app/release_0.59.1/+merge/154581 or https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phone-app/release_0.59.1/+merge/154560 ?
[03:02] <rsalveti> sergiusens: another broken ci https://code.launchpad.net/~awe/phablet-extras/ofono-sms-parcels/+merge/152969
[03:02] <rsalveti> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/phablet-extras-ofono-quantal-i386-autolanding/1/console
[03:02] <rsalveti> should use armhf as autoland
[03:02] <sergiusens> boiko: nvm... seeing the superseeded just now
[03:03] <boiko> sergiusens: sorry for all this trouble, but I am already way too tired to think
[03:04] <sergiusens> rsalveti: looking
[03:06] <Ironman273> Why does my Ubuntu Touch install on a Nexus 7 look like the desktop version of Ubuntu instead of the screenshots I've seen of large icons?
[03:06] <boiko> sergiusens: thanks for merging the release one, I'll give the autopilot tests a closer look tomorrow
[03:06] <boiko> but now I'll go to sleep
[03:06] <boiko> see you!
[03:06] <dank101> should i watch slender before bed
[03:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: hot fixed
[03:06] <dank101> or is that suicidal
[03:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: thanks
[03:07] <rsalveti> Ironman273: maybe you installed the wrong image
[03:07] <rsalveti> we have the ubuntu touch and the ubuntu desktop for nexus 7
[03:08] <rsalveti> Ironman273: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[03:08] <Ironman273> Yeah, I followed all the instructions for the Touch version.. I also saw one YouTube video that has the same UI that I got...
[03:10] <Ironman273> Damn, now I can't find it..
[03:12] <Ironman273> Do I just follow all the instructions again even though it already has (some version of) Ubuntu on it?
[03:13] <sergiusens> Ironman273: follow sergiusens.github.com/posts/installing-ubuntu-touch-preview-on-the-nexus-7-with-ubuntu-on-it.html if you please
[03:14] <Ironman273> sergiusens: Thanks!
[03:14] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/cupstream2distro-config/no-386-for-ofono/+merge/154582
[03:16] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, cool
[03:16] <rsalveti> sergiusens: there's no raring package yet, is that expected?
[03:17] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I haven't deploy this yet, but once it is, it will try raring builds as well
[03:17] <rsalveti> sergiusens: cool
[03:17] <rsalveti> just checking
[03:18] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I also managed to graph the PPA deps today... although it feels easier to read plain text after all that :-P
[03:18] <rsalveti> sergiusens: :-)
[03:18] <rsalveti> sergiusens: with graphiviz?
[03:18] <TysonBrooks> So.... When are the stable releases expected to be out for the ubuntu tv, tablet and phone?
[03:19] <rsalveti> *graphviz
[03:19] <sergiusens> rsalveti: with gephi
[03:19] <rsalveti> TysonBrooks: we should have something around the end of this year, but 14.04 is the final target
[03:20] <sergiusens> rsalveti: nonesense ;-) Everything should be stable today, just not feature complete :-D
[03:20] <TysonBrooks> I'm really excited about this project. I wish I knew more of the details of building so I could contribute. Once this project is stable. I can easily see myself switching to ubuntu 100% of the time.
[03:22] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right :-)
[03:22] <TysonBrooks> sergiusens: thats what I was refering too, feature complete. So is there any documentation out on where I can start to learn how to build apps for the phone?
[03:23] <TysonBrooks> err os I should say, not phone.
[03:23] <sergiusens> TysonBrooks: app development is covered lots... one sec
[03:24] <sergiusens> TysonBrooks: this is like the last thing you would do: http://theravingrick.blogspot.com.ar/2013/03/sweet-ubuntu-device-qtcreator.html
[03:25] <sergiusens> TysonBrooks: and this is where to start: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[03:25]  * sergiusens is off to some midnight TV and bed
[03:25] <Ironman273> Can I tell what I might've done wrong from the bootloader?
[03:26] <TysonBrooks> sergiusens thanks
[03:41] <bzoltan1> sergiusens:  Yes, it did ... I asked LP ops to increase the PPA size
[03:42] <Ironman273> OK, this sounds like it will be a stupid question on this channel, but here goes:  I keep getting "No command 'adb' found"
[03:44] <bzoltan1> Ironman273: `sudo apt-get install android-tools-adb` will install the adb
[03:47] <Ironman273> bzoltan1: Thanks.
[04:39] <samir> hello all
[04:44] <samir> so.. I have ubuntu flashed on my tablet... dumb question.. how do I use it, looks like the touch screen deosn't seem to work
[04:46] <samir> never mind.. it was just being picky
[05:56] <Mohamed-Anwar> Hi
[05:58] <Mohamed-Anwar> Anyone here
[06:14] <insink71> lots of ppl here
[06:15] <jackson> lol yep
[06:37] <luca> test
[06:38] <luca>  I have an AIO device, which comes with an Touch Panel.   I'm using ubuntu 12.04.   When I insmod Touch Panel driver, the "double click" behaviour can not react properly. At the same time the mouse is also being unable to "double click" correctly.   This Touch Panel driver work normally at ubuntu 10.04 and 11.10.   This version(ubuntu 12.04) has done what changes?
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[09:33] <WebVisitor-3> Hi does somebody know is it possible to get "true multitouch" working besides 2-finger-scrolling on synaptics touchpad?
[10:16] <Wuestenschiff> test
[10:19] <ogra_> Wuestenschiff, failed
[10:19] <Wuestenschiff> no just wrong channel sry irssi ist not that userfriendly
[11:03] <zyga> hi
[11:03] <agcalamitaITA> zyga: Good Morning
[11:03] <zyga> I'm trying to follow the tutorial for the currency converter app on raring
[11:04] <zyga> there are some inaccuracies there (like qml 1 vs qml 2 choices)
[11:04] <zyga> but what really troubles me is that it no longer works: I get "QQmlComponent: Component is not ready", right after pasting in the first part of the tutorial
[11:06]  * zyga rechecks if he followed all the steps carefully
[11:06] <agcalamitaITA> Link to tutorial? You using QT Creator?
[11:07] <zyga> yes
[11:07] <zyga> http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app/
[11:08] <zyga> give me a second, maybe that was a borked update somewhere
[11:10] <zyga> ah, yeah, probably my fault
[11:10] <agcalamitaITA> Haha! What have you missed? :)
[11:10] <zyga> too many machines, this one didn't have the SDK, just qt creator
[11:10] <agcalamitaITA> :) That explains it!
[11:11] <zyga> right
[11:11] <zyga> that's more like it
[11:12] <zyga> hmm
[11:12] <zyga> still not quite right
[11:12] <zyga> the application name does _not_ show up
[11:12] <zyga> and I see the same "QQmlComponent: Component is not ready" message in qt creator
[11:13] <agcalamitaITA> Double checked *all* the code? I've never used QT Creator (only Visual Studio for C# apps) so not sure what debugging is like...
[11:13] <zyga> yes, I'm just pasting stuff
[11:14] <zyga> I create a new project with the example Ubuntu UI
[11:14] <zyga> (for desktop)
[11:15] <zyga> hmm, anyone from canonical that I could ping about the sdk on raring?
[11:16] <agcalamitaITA> Not that I know off the top of my head. #ubuntu may be the place to ask :)
[11:17] <zyga> nah, that's too generic, #u-touch is the right place to be
[11:17] <zyga> maybe #u-sdk though
[11:17] <zyga> nope, no such channel
[11:17] <sergiusens> zyga: bzoltan1 or jppiiroi1en might be able to help
[11:17] <zyga> sergiusens: thanks
[11:17] <zyga> bzoltan1, jppiiroi1en: ping, possible issue with touch SDK on raring
[11:18] <sergiusens> zyga: this is to my knowledge the right channel still
[11:18] <zyga> sergiusens: #ubuntu?
[11:18]  * sergiusens believes that app development might be better suited to another channel
[11:18] <zyga> yeah
[11:18] <zyga> #ubuntu-app-devel?
[11:19] <sergiusens> zyga: #ubuntu-touch is today the channel used for app development still
[11:19] <sergiusens> zyga: dholbach might have ideas there ;-)
[11:19] <zyga> I'll see what they say :)
[11:19] <dholbach> there's #ubuntu-app-devel too
[11:19] <zyga> dholbach: where should one ask questions about touch app development? in here or #ubuntu-app-devel, and second, do you know from the top of your head how to report bugs against the sdk?
[11:20] <sergiusens> this channel is not high traffic though so I don't mind the mix
[11:20] <dholbach> but I didn't see a decision being made about where app related discussion should happen
[11:20] <zyga> ok
[11:20] <dholbach> in the beginning it might even help to everyone looking at one channel
[11:20]  * zyga just reproduced the same issue on vanilla ubuntu
[11:21] <sergiusens> zyga: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[11:21] <dholbach> zyga, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+related-projects is what I could find - I'm not 100% sure if that's the best place to report bugs - greyback: do you know?
[11:21] <zyga> thanks!
[11:22] <sergiusens> well for the actual toolkit, what I posted... for the qtcreator stuff, I am not sure
[11:22] <sergiusens> ah https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins
[11:24] <greyback> reading up...
[11:25] <zyga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1158246
[11:27] <zyga> greyback: I've reported a bug on that just now, please tell me if I should attach anything else there, like versions of the sdk or screenshots
[11:27] <greyback> zyga: the warning "QQmlComponent: Component is not ready" is not your fault, it seems to come from the MainView component
[11:27] <greyback> zyga: sorry, I'm only catching up now!
[11:29] <greyback> zyga: a quick screengrab would be appreciated
[11:29] <greyback> zyga: the summary is that the qmlscene does not draw it's window decorations? So no titlebar
[11:29] <zyga> k
[11:30] <greyback> zyga: I'm curious what the qml1 vs qml2 issues you see
[11:30] <zyga> perhaps that's misleading, the big text "currency converter" as visible in the tutorial page is missing, actual x11 window decorations _are_ display and _do_ have a title bar that says "qmlscene: mainView"
[11:30] <zyga> greyback: qt creator has more options that the tutorial claims for me
[11:30] <greyback> zyga: aha I see what you mean
[11:30] <zyga> greyback: let me screen share quickly
[11:31] <greyback> zyga: that component is called the "Header" I think. It was changed recently, which has broken some apps. That's one we forgot to fix
[11:31] <zyga> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/debaa5c3a2b7d646a0b91ee7195081a5547170dd?authuser=0&hl=pl
[11:41] <zyga> greyback: sorry for dropping out, if you know who to contact then just ping me on IRC
[11:41] <greyback> zyga: will do. He's away right now, hope he'll be back soon
[11:42] <zyga> thanks
[11:43] <greyback> zyga: as far as I understand things, this /should/ work http://sketchpad.cc/CFXY1tnJe3
[11:44] <zyga> greyback: yes that works
[11:44] <zyga> greyback: thanks
[11:44] <greyback> zyga: ok glad it's working anyway
[11:44] <zyga> greyback: is there a way I can propose a merge request for the example code?
[11:46] <greyback> zyga: absolutely. The project trunk is lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[11:46] <greyback> zyga: all contributions welcome
[11:46] <zyga> thanks, let's see
[11:48] <zyga> greyback: that's the actual example, I was also thinking about the web page
[11:49] <greyback> zyga: it needs updating too probably.
[11:49] <t1mp> greyback: I'm here :)
[11:49]  * t1mp reading backlog
[11:50] <greyback> zyga: meet t1mp, author of the header stuff you were working on
[11:50] <zyga> t1mp: hey, nice to meet you!
[11:50] <zyga> t1mp: I found a bug in the examples and the website
[11:50] <greyback> t1mp: we'll need to update http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app/ to reflect the new header
[11:50] <zyga> t1mp: I've filed it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1158246 it probably needs to be move to more appropriate projects though
[11:51] <t1mp> the tutorial needs an update
[11:51] <t1mp> greyback: yes.
[11:51] <t1mp> hello zyga, nice to meet you :)
[11:57] <t1mp> zyga: the MainView now automatically creates a header, probably that hides the Label.
[11:57] <t1mp> zyga: I pasted some code that works in your bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1158246
[12:06] <zyga> t1mp: thanks
[12:07] <t1mp> zyga: sorry for the hassle. I wasn't aware that my updates broke the tutorial, we need to update it.
[12:08] <t1mp> thanks for reporting it:)
[12:08] <janimo> rsalveti, to build Ubuntu Touch even for the supported nexus devices, is a call to extract-files.sh  necessary?
[12:08] <zyga> t1mp: my pleasure, thanks!
[12:09] <janimo> rsalveti, I got the cm-.zip filename output even for nexus devices not only the one I tried porting, I am now doing a clean repo ans trying again
[12:10] <janimo> rsalveti, my first grouper build had a proper zip name but subsequent ones fif not
[12:17] <lool> bzoltan1: w00t, I hope the sdk metapkg changes were ok; one thing I noticed is that there was a dep on qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu which probably prevented the package from migrating from -proposed to raring, I've commented it out for now in the seed, I guess it's in NEW or so
[12:18] <janimo> lool, are all SDK related packages going into raring soon avoiding the need for a PPA?
[12:25] <lool> janimo: I don't know; I would think so, albeit I'm a bit confused because some packages are renamed or getting dropped along the way
[12:28] <bzoltan1> lool: in that case it would be nice to have the qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu and the new qtcreator too in Raring... but that needs an FFE
[12:35] <lool> bzoltan1: Shouldn't be a problem for an entirely new package I'd guess, the existing FFEs might already cover that in fact
[12:53] <om26er> whats the lp project for the telephony app ?
[13:07] <victorp> out?
[13:27] <nOStahl> hi guys, got my hands on an eee tf101 here. anyone else have the transformer?
[13:43] <janimo> nOStahl,hi I also have a tf101, but did not run Ubuntu Touch on it yet
[13:44] <nOStahl> just got this one on ebay for 250 bucks
[13:44] <nOStahl> I have to say asus impressed me again :)
[13:44] <nOStahl> really solid feeling device
[13:50] <ogra_> rsalveti, fyi MP fixed ...
[14:06] <jcastro> oSoMoN: thanks so much for following up on that dropdown bug. You are awesome.
[14:08] <janimo> sergiusens, I could not figure out the reason for getting files simply named cm-.zip as output. It happens even with mako and grouper not just my port
[14:08] <janimo> sergiusens, I did a clean sync today and building out of phablet sources when I get this
[14:09] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/android-x86$ ls ../phablet-android/out/target/product/i9100/*.zip
[14:09] <ogra_> ../phablet-android/out/target/product/i9100/cm-10.1-20130303-UNOFFICIAL-i9100.zip
[14:09] <ogra_> thats what i get
[14:09] <ogra_> smells broken if you dont ...
[14:10] <janimo> ogra_, yes I know it is broken, my very first build a couple weeks ago resulted in normal .zip names
[14:10] <janimo> but not since
[14:11] <ogra_> well just do a fresh phablet-dev-bootstrap, its only 12G :P
[14:11] <janimo> ogra_, I have a out/target/product/mako/full_mako-ota-eng.jani.zip don't you have something similar?
[14:11] <ogra_> yep
[14:11] <janimo> the cm-.zip is hardlink to that actually
[14:11] <ogra_> cm_i9100-ota-eng.ogra.zip
[14:12] <janimo> ogra_, ok you did a ls *.zip above and I thought you pasted all zips you see
[14:12] <janimo> ogra_, do you know if we have online build logs for daily images?
[14:12] <janimo> I could compare output
[14:13] <oSoMoN> jcastro: you’re welcome, thanks for filing the bug :) hopefully we’ll manage to land a fix today
[14:13] <rickspencer3> oSoMoN, I'm getting bug #1133705  is there anything I can do to help debug it?
[14:14] <oSoMoN> rickspencer3: that’s on N7, right?
[14:14] <rickspencer3> oSoMoN, yes, I should have mentioned, I have an N7 ;)
[14:16] <oSoMoN> rickspencer3: so my wild guess is that the top row of the OSK, for some reason, triggers a focus change, for some reason
[14:16] <oSoMoN> rickspencer3: could you confirm that this happens for all the keys on the top row of the OSK?
[14:17] <oSoMoN> rickspencer3: and nowhere else?
[14:17] <rickspencer3> oSoMoN, sure, give me a few minutes though
[14:17] <rsalveti> ogra_: thanks
[14:18] <oSoMoN> rickspencer3: thanks, no rush, I’m working on another bug atm anyway
[14:18] <rickspencer3> ack
[14:18] <rickspencer3> oSoMoN, I'll confirm and add it to the bug report
[14:19] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:21] <rsalveti> janimo: that's weird, did you try finding why it could not fetch the version+date when doing the build?
[14:21] <ogra_> janimo, probably somewhete in the VPN ... aks sergiusens
[14:21] <ogra_> *somewhere
[14:21] <janimo> rsalveti, I found that common.mk file (IIRC) is not even sourced
[14:21] <rsalveti> janimo: it's easier if you call extract-files.sh, but you can also download them from google
[14:22] <janimo> rsalveti, right, I somehow thought breakfast brings those but those are not redistributable so I guess not
[14:22] <ogra_> janimo, could it be that you forgot to call ". build/envsetup.sh" before running brunch ?
[14:22] <ogra_> (though i would expect that to spill errors)
[14:22] <janimo> ogra_, no, or brunch would not have been available
[14:22] <janimo> right
[14:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: janimo passing in private
[14:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: brunch wouldn't be avail without sourcing though
[14:23] <ogra_> yeah
[14:24] <sergiusens> rsalveti: janimo ogra_ make should the BUILD envvar is correct!
[14:24] <sergiusens> that can be it
[14:24] <sergiusens> had that issue with jenkins a while back where it reset the var
[14:25] <rsalveti> weird is that it worked sometimes it seems
[14:26] <rsalveti> ogra_: janimo: with --reference you can easily get a new env without downloading much
[14:26] <rsalveti> if you want to try in a clean environment
[14:26] <janimo> sergiusens, what BUILD envvar? what sets that?
[14:26] <janimo> rsalveti, I tried but I did not have a mirror repo but a regular sync
[14:26] <janimo> and apparently --reference needs a mirror
[14:27] <janimo> probably can be tricked into that by changing some config files in .repo I don't know
[14:27] <janimo> rsalveti, so I did actualy try a clean environment this morning - <3h of syncing
[14:27] <rsalveti> janimo: you can use phablet-dev-bootstrap with --reference, and use your previous env as reference
[14:27] <janimo> and that has the issue, hence my coming back with the question
[14:27] <rsalveti> doesn't need to be a mirror
[14:28] <janimo> rsalveti, I tried that and it failed. I passed it the directory
[14:28] <janimo> should it have been dir/.repo or something?
[14:28] <sergiusens> rsalveti: janimo but you can't delete the ref afterwards ;-)
[14:28] <rsalveti> yeah, it should work by just passing the root dir
[14:28] <janimo> repo --reference doc says the source needs to be createed with repo --mirror
[14:28] <rsalveti> well, that wasn't the case before
[14:28] <sergiusens> janimo: it worked for me without a mirror
[14:28] <rsalveti> I know repo keeps updating itself
[14:29] <janimo> sergiusens, rsalveti ah it worked for me but it kept getting stuff from the net
[14:29] <janimo> so in that respect it did not work
[14:29] <janimo> so it was not cloning stuff from the local disk
[14:29] <rsalveti> janimo: weird
[14:30] <rsalveti> it should just clone the repo tree from the net
[14:30] <rsalveti> from google, and the rest from your local disk
[14:30] <rsalveti> how did you run it?
[14:30] <janimo> rsalveti, yes, it was getting repos from phablet.ubuntu.com
[14:30] <janimo> phablet-dev-bootstrap -r existing new
[14:31] <rsalveti> that's interesting, let me try
[14:31] <janimo> From git://phablet.ubuntu.com/CyanogenMod/android
[14:31] <janimo> for example
[14:31] <janimo> but also other repos, so I stopped it after a minute or two
[14:32] <rsalveti> it'll get at least from repo and git://phablet.ubuntu.com/CyanogenMod/android
[14:32] <rsalveti> but the rest should be from your previous local tree
[14:38] <rsalveti> janimo: hm, just cloned the entire tree here and it didn't grab anything from the net other than repo and the android one
[14:38] <janimo> rsalveti, good to know, I need to try again
[14:38] <rsalveti> maybe something was missing at your initial sync
[14:39] <janimo> repo version v1.12.2
[14:40] <janimo> rsalveti, does not work even if using today's fresh checkout as reference
[14:41] <rsalveti> repo version v1.12.2
[14:41] <rsalveti> git version 1.8.1.2
[14:41] <rsalveti> repo launcher version 1.19
[14:41] <rsalveti> janimo: weird
[14:41] <rsalveti> do you get any error when just doing repo sync?
[14:46] <rickspencer3> oSoMoN, ok, so far as I can tell "q" works fine, everything else in the top row is busted
[14:48] <oSoMoN> rickspencer3: interesting, that would roughly correspond to the span of the address bar, width-wise
[14:48] <oSoMoN> rickspencer3: actually, more than interesting, I think I know what’s going on, thanks a bunch!
[14:48] <tvoss> oSoMoN, rickspencer3 you might want to check with tmoenicke about the dimensions that the osk reports on n7
[14:49] <oSoMoN> tvoss: good point
[14:49] <oSoMoN> rickspencer3: can you add your findings to the bug report?
[14:50] <rickspencer3> oSoMoN, I thought I did!
[14:50] <rickspencer3> oSoMoN, I added it to bug #1133705
[14:50] <rickspencer3> brb
[14:51] <janimo> rsalveti, no errors on repo sync. It takes a while in Fetching projects till 100% and then done
[14:53] <rsalveti> janimo: that's weird then =\
[14:53] <janimo> rsalveti, ack :/
[15:01] <rsalveti> jhodapp: ricmm: sergiusens: sync?
[15:01] <sergiusens> rsalveti: oops
[15:01] <victorp_> mfisch, what bt keybard u use
[15:05] <janimo> sergiusens, which is the BUILD envvar that you mentioned above? I have CM_BUILD empty in env
[15:09] <Guest26991> hi
[15:10] <Guest26991> alert() in javascript doesn't work with webbrowser ?
[15:57] <rsalveti> sergiusens: are we building with dbg symbols support at the phablet ppa?
[16:03] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the ppa ones?
[16:04] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yup, I know we had for a few ppas before, but not sure if we enabled it at our main public ppa now
[16:04] <sergiusens> rsalveti: no, it's not
[16:04] <sergiusens> rsalveti: most packages have a debug package now
[16:04] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we might want to enable
[16:05] <sergiusens> rsalveti: why? Will it happen when we move to distro?
[16:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: true, guess we can wai
[16:06] <rsalveti> wait
[16:18] <rickspencer3> I've said it before, I'll say it again .. the device integration in QtCreator is so cool
[16:19] <agcalamitaITA> rickspencer3: I've not used it yet... is it worth it? :)
[16:19] <rickspencer3> agcalamitaITA, totally
[16:19] <rickspencer3> I'm using it to update to todays daily image
[16:20] <agcalamitaITA> Maybe because I've not wrote anything in Qt Creator yet...
[16:20] <rickspencer3> and it makes it super easy to run my apps
[16:20] <rickspencer3> agcalamitaITA, well, if you get the SDK and start a Ubuntu app ... it's pretty cool
[16:20] <rickspencer3> and you can just push it to your attached device to test it out
[16:20] <rickspencer3> in my case, a nexus 7
[16:20] <agcalamitaITA> It's worth it for that ;) I've only tested the core apps via SSH and ran them directly onto the device.
[16:21] <agcalamitaITA> I've been having a look at the converter application recipie and it looks pretty interesting. Might put some time aside to start learning! Only programming I've done is C#
[16:21] <rickspencer3> agcalamitaITA, well, I think it's worth it, just because it makes everything easy
[16:21] <agcalamitaITA> What're you working on?
[16:21] <rickspencer3> agcalamitaITA, I am making a game kind of like daleks
[16:22] <rickspencer3> I put some posts up about it: http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/
[16:22] <rickspencer3> please don't tell me I am the only one here old enough to remember Daleks
[16:22] <rickspencer3> :)
[16:22] <rickspencer3> agcalamitaITA, if you can rock C#, you will love QML
[16:23] <rickspencer3> just need to get your head around declarative programming
[16:23] <t1mp> rickspencer3: I didn't know your blog yet. Looks good, I'll follow it :)
[16:26] <ogra_> t1mp, you dont read planet.ubuntu.com ?
[16:29] <t1mp> ogra_: :) some times, but I forgot about it recently. I'm very busy ;)
[16:30] <t1mp> ogra_: but now that you mention it, good idea!
[16:32] <ogra_> :)
[16:41] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I know you told me a couple of days ago, but how do I check the version of the image that i have on my tablet again?
[16:43] <rickspencer3> oh rats, the ssh button isn't working :,(
[16:45] <ogra_> rickspencer3, cat /etc/buildstamp
[16:45] <ogra_> and there should also be /system/quantal-ubuntu_stamp
[16:46] <rickspencer3> thanks ogra_
[17:17] <mhall119> pmcgowan: ogra_: t1mp: any of you know what will be backing the datetime indicator on UnityNext?
[17:17] <mhall119> it's evolution-data-server now on the desktop
[17:18] <ogra_> probably the same then, no idea
[17:19] <pmcgowan> mhall119: check with lars I think
[17:22] <mhall119> pmcgowan: plars?
[17:23] <mhall119> or larsu
[17:23] <pmcgowan> larsu
[17:23] <mhall119> ok
[18:31] <larsgk> mhall119: I have a question about how we work on separate branches vs the trunk (rss feeder).
[18:33] <larsgk> mhall119: who approves branch commits to be included in the main?  The issue is that there is a lot of development going on in a few of the dev branches - but not much being moved over.
[18:34] <mhall119> larsgk: anybody on the dev team for that project can approve branches for trunk
[18:34] <larsgk> mhall119: I could of course - just pick from all the branches and put it in mine .. just seems more natural to work on the same "trunk" with a review of patches on a mailing list or such.  Especially when the application and team is small
[18:34] <mhall119> it has to be reviewed, have a commit message, and be marked as approved
[18:36] <larsgk> mhall119: aaa ok - so I could just review and approve?  (new to launchpad) - I thought we needed a mgr/approver/project dude to put the approval stamp
[18:36] <mhall119> larsgk: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide#Reviewing_Branches for how the process should work
[18:36] <larsgk> mhall119: thanks
[18:36] <mhall119> larsgk: in this case "dude to put the approval stamp" is any member of the dev team
[18:36] <mhall119> you don't need someone from Canonical or anything, if that's what you're wondering
[18:37] <mhall119> is should be someone other than the person who wrote the code
[18:37] <mhall119> just for sanity checking
[18:41] <larsgk> mhall119: sounds good - I actually thought it needed someone from canonical (sorry - learning still .. currenly with 2 crying babies in the bg ;))
[18:44] <mhall119> larsgk: they never stop, mine are 7 and 8 and they still do it
[18:44] <mhall119> :)
[18:45] <nOStahl> can't wait for all this ubuntu infrastructure :)
[18:45] <nOStahl> phone tablet and computer and tv muahaha
[18:46] <larsgk> mibofra: ;)
[18:46] <larsgk> oops
[18:46] <larsgk> mhall119: ;)
[18:49] <larsgk> mhall119: is it the developer of each branch who is supposed to put commits up for review (proposals).  Or could I propose a merge on someone elses branch? (https://code.launchpad.net/~mrqtros/ubuntu-rssreader-app/appendsheet)
[18:49] <mhall119> larsgk: the developer of the branch should propose it for merging when they feel it's ready to be merged
[18:49] <mhall119> if they haven't, it's best to try and contact them to find out why
[18:50] <mhall119> it could be they just didn't know, or maybe they are still working on it and don't want it merged yet
[18:50] <larsgk> mhall119: ok - cool
[19:18] <mhall119> anuj5888: hello
[19:19] <mhall119> anuj5888: what areas are you interested in getting involved in?
[19:19] <mhall119> We have app development, core OS development, testing, porting
[19:20] <anuj5888> mhall119 : development and/or core OS development
[19:21] <mhall119> anuj5888: we're working on what we're calling "core apps" in cooperation with the community
[19:22] <mhall119> they are written primarily in QML, with some C++/Qt as well
[19:22] <mhall119> you can find out more about them here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[19:22] <mhall119> if you want to try Ubuntu Touch on a supported device, there are detailed instructions for that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[19:23] <anuj5888> thanks :)
[19:23] <anuj5888> i have tried it on nexus7
[19:23] <mhall119> and finally, for contributing to the OS devleopment itself, read here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute
[19:23] <mhall119> many of the Canonical developer hang out around here, as do very knowledgable community folks, so if you have any questions you can ask them here
[19:24] <mhall119> or you can use AskUbuntu.com, and the ubunt-touch tag: http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/ubuntu-touch
[19:25] <anuj5888> great! i will start with going through the links
[19:25] <anuj5888> thank you :)
[19:25] <mhall119> awesome, glad to have you aboard :)
[19:29] <mutantkeyboard> mhall119 ... what's the current status of development... I DL'd last image when it was just released and did some hacking, but I needed to revert to Android since I need my device for development...
[19:30] <mhall119> mutantkeyboard: there are daily images being released I think, I can't tell you specifically what's working and what isn't
[19:30] <mutantkeyboard> I see... that's all I wanted to hear... so you started with nightlies
[19:32] <mhall119> that's my understanding, yes
[19:32] <mhall119> the phablet-flash tool should download the latest when you run it
[19:33] <mutantkeyboard> :) right, going to try it tomorrow. tnx for feedback
[19:47] <pmcgowan> mutantkeyboard: mhall119 use the -l switch to get latest
[19:48] <pmcgowan> also there is a changelog with each image
[19:48] <mutantkeyboard> right, thanks for that info
[19:51] <mhall119> frankencode: it looks like evolution-data-server is going to be used in UnityNext and Touch for the forseeable future, so the ubuntu-calendar-app should use it to store events
[19:52] <pmcgowan> mhall119: there is some evaluation going on now afaik, unless you heard an update
[19:52] <pmcgowan> looking at some performance tweaks
[19:52] <pmcgowan> or alternatives
[19:52] <pmcgowan> bfiller might have an update
[19:53] <mhall119> pmcgowan: I just got an email from lars stating that
[19:54] <pmcgowan> mhall119: was that to a mailing list?
[19:54] <mhall119> no, personal inquiry
[19:54] <pmcgowan> I see
[19:54] <mhall119> since he wasn't online for me to ping, I just emailed him
[19:54] <mutantkeyboard> guys is there any working alarm on Ubuntu yet?
[19:54] <pmcgowan> renato_ did you talk with lars about that?
[19:55] <mhall119> mutantkeyboard: I think it's on the feature list for ubuntu-clock-app
[19:55] <mutantkeyboard> I see.
[19:56] <pmcgowan> mutantkeyboard: not sure there is a system api exposed to do it  rsalveti?
[19:57] <mutantkeyboard> pmcgowan, is't there a way to use system clock API and extend it?
[19:57] <renato_> pmcgowan, about the alarm?
[19:58] <pmcgowan> there should be yes, not sure if we can do that all on the ubuntu side or need to talk to android drivers at all
[19:58] <pmcgowan> renato_: sorry about the use of EDS
[19:58] <mutantkeyboard> it's not a problem. I did some Android kernel programming.
[19:58] <pmcgowan> renato_: did we determine we were ok staying with it
[19:58] <pmcgowan> mutantkeyboard: good maybe you can have a look
[19:59] <renato_> pmcgowan, not yet we are evaluating the akonadi
[19:59] <mutantkeyboard> that's why I ask... I wanted to make an alarm app...
[19:59] <pmcgowan> renato_: can you start a thread with lars on that then
[19:59] <renato_> pmcgowan, yes
[19:59] <pmcgowan> mutantkeyboard: sure, maybe work with the clock app project and add it in
[19:59] <mutantkeyboard> brilliant, going to launchpad now
[20:42] <bfiller> pmcgowan, mhall119 : we're evaluating use of eds on phablet as well as others, have not finished evaluation yet
[20:42] <bfiller> I'll touch base with lars
[20:43] <pmcgowan> bfiller: renato_ sent an email to the list I think
[20:47] <albanodesign> dont know if this is the right place but i'm having black screen after installing ubuntu touch dauilys in my htc sensation anyone can help?
[20:49] <mhall119> bfiller: ok, can you update me, popey and the calendar coreapp team when you've picked something?
[20:50] <bfiller> mhall119: for sure
[20:51] <mhall119> thanks
[20:59] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: don't think we have anything related with alarms yet
[20:59] <rsalveti> we might want to export that via the platform-api as well
[21:03] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: the dev who was on earlier is going to have a look
[21:04] <rsalveti> right, cool
[21:06] <x0g_> hi everyone. I am looking for the perfect phone for ubuntu. The nexus 4 seems great but i think i need an hdmi out to connect to a screen right? or is it possible to use a usb-hdmi converter?
[21:08] <rsalveti> x0g_: it might be possible, something I also wanted to try
[21:08] <rsalveti> need to get one converter to see what would be the effort needed for that
[21:08] <rsalveti> but wanted to start looking at what would take to use my phone as a media center device (ubuntu tv later on)
[21:09] <x0g_> rsalveti : else, do you know any phone with hdmi? I would be a super raspberry pi
[21:09] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: which phone did you use when demonstrating UfA?
[21:10] <pmcgowan> its on the S3 and the Nexus 4
[21:11] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: with a usb-hdmi converter?
[21:12] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: yes the nexus 4 has a slimport and the s3 uses mhl
[21:14] <x0g_> pmcgowan : so it takes the mini usb but can i use a hub to connect a keyboard with it?
[21:15] <rsalveti> x0g_: probably, just not sure if it'd also charge at the same time
[21:17] <pmcgowan> I never saw the nexus 4 hooked up, but assume thats how
[21:17] <x0g_> so the nexus 4 seems to be the way to go
[21:19] <achiang> o/
[21:19] <pmcgowan> achiang:  x0g_ had some qs on using hdmi
[21:19] <achiang> hi x0g_
[21:19] <x0g_> hi achiang
[21:20] <x0g_> i was asking about how to connect a phone to a hdmi screen
[21:20] <x0g_> i was told about some mini usb hdmi converters
[21:20] <achiang> x0g_: the nexus4 uses a slimport adapter
[21:21] <x0g_> then i asked if a usb keyboard could be used in the same time using a hub
[21:21] <achiang> http://www.amazon.com/SlimPort®-SP1002-Connect-connector--Supports/dp/B009UZBLSG/
[21:22] <achiang> x0g_: well you need usb OTG support for that to work
[21:22] <achiang> let me google the spec sheet to see if there is an OTG chip inside
[21:22] <anuj5888> achiang : check the comments on the amazon link
[21:23] <anuj5888> one review says they got it working straightaway
[21:23] <anuj5888> with nexus 4
[21:23] <achiang> x0g_: looks like there is hardware support for OTG, so presumably enabling it in ubuntu touch would a simple matter of asking the kernel guys to turn it on (i haven't checked to see if it already is)
[21:24] <achiang> anuj5888: what am i looking for?
[21:24] <anuj5888> customer reviews on that link
[21:24] <rsalveti> achiang: otg should be on by default as it's required by android
[21:25] <rsalveti> didn't yet test with our current kernel, but I know maguro and manta had otg working when using the otg usb cable
[21:25] <x0g_> achiang : i assume that it's something working since they show the "turn you phone into computer" feature on the videos
[21:25] <achiang> anuj5888: i'm not sure i understand your point. my team has purchased about 20 of those cables for the Nexus 4 and they all work fine
[21:26] <achiang> x0g_: rsalveti: we did a quick experiment of N4 => SlimPort Cable => OTG, and that combo broke down
[21:26] <anuj5888> achiang : oh ! my bad. I thought you didnt got it working with those cables :)
[21:26] <rsalveti> achiang: got it, might need some more work at the kernel side then
[21:26] <achiang> x0g_: rsalveti: presumably N4 => OTG should be fine
[21:26] <achiang> x0g_: rsalveti: but we didn't test that
[21:27] <achiang> anuj5888: we have it working with stock android, we haven't tested with ubuntu touch on N4
[21:27] <x0g_> so it's either the keyboard or the hdmi but the both in the same time?
[21:27] <x0g_> but not both *
[21:28] <anuj5888> ah i see
[21:28] <rsalveti> achiang: yeah, not sure if the usb cable from the slimport brings data support or just power
[21:28] <achiang> x0g_: depends on what OS you're talking about, but for android we only got OTG xor HDMI
[21:28] <rsalveti> usb port I mean
[21:29] <rsalveti> n4 -> otg -> hub -> slimport + keyboard might work
[21:29] <rsalveti> but not sure if the device will still charge in host mode
[21:31] <achiang> x0g_: if your goal is HDMI + peripherals, we have discovered that BT peripherals work pretty well
[21:31] <achiang> (again, on android, not ubuntu touch)
[21:31] <x0g_> achiang i am talking about ubuntu touch
[21:31] <x0g_> achiant BT = ?
[21:31] <x0g_> bluetooth
[21:31] <x0g_> ok
[21:32] <x0g_> yeah bluetooth could be the solution
[21:32] <achiang> i think BT support just recently landed in touch, like yesterday, no?
[21:33] <rsalveti> achiang: yup, but just at nexus 7 at this point
[21:34] <achiang> ah, ok
[21:35] <x0g_> but i guess it will work soon on nexus 4
[21:35] <rsalveti> yup, that's the goal
[21:41] <melnaquib> Hello
[21:45] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: do you know where to see the osk reported size
[21:51] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: I know maliit reports its size via the ubuntu_ui_report_osk_visible (platform-api) call
[21:51] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: do you just want to know the size or do you actually want to change that?
[21:51] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: just know it for a bug we are tracking
[21:52] <ogra_> rsalveti, do you know when it will learn non capital letters ?
[21:52] <rsalveti> seems it should be at logcat, let me check
[21:52]  * ogra_ finds that really disturbing
[21:53] <rsalveti> ogra_: I believe it's just a flag that needs to be disabled
[21:53] <ogra_> ah
[21:53] <rsalveti> I remember the designers wanted to discuss that and take an action
[21:53] <rsalveti> guess it didn't happen
[21:53] <ogra_> well, still some time til 13.10 :)
[21:54] <rsalveti> I know we have a public bug for that already
[21:54] <ogra_> if enough people step on their toes they will sit down and discuss ;)
[21:54] <pmcgowan> ogra_: we are working to get the other better keyboard plugin
[21:54] <ogra_> ah
[21:54] <pmcgowan> but still need to convice design on the caps thing
[21:54]  * ogra_ will not complain then 
[21:55] <ogra_> i know my mom wouldnt typwe a single letter on it but play with the shift key and give up at some point
[21:55] <rsalveti> ogra_: bug 1156099
[21:56]  * ogra_ metoos
[21:56] <rickspencer3> hey pmcgowan when I update my nexus7 each morning, should I use the "Upgrade to daily image" button, or the /!\Upgrade  to daily image (with full bootstrap) /!\ button?
[21:56] <rsalveti> yeah, I find it very annoying as well
[21:56] <rsalveti> it might be very easy to fix
[21:56] <ogra_> yeah
[21:56] <rsalveti> I know because that was the default before :-)
[21:56] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3: just the image, dont need the bootstrap
[21:56] <ogra_> well, lets wait for the final thing ... and complain then if its still there
[21:56] <rickspencer3> it's annoying, but since that keyboard is a place holder, may was let it ride ;)
[21:57] <rickspencer3> though, would be nice to use the web browser on my Nexus 7 ;)
[21:57] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3: you have buttons?
[21:57] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, dude, QtCreator integration
[21:57] <rickspencer3> it's amazing
[21:57] <pmcgowan> oh right I am so stuck on command line
[21:57] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: run adb logcat at your host, and then bring up the keyboard
[21:58] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2013/03/sweet-ubuntu-device-qtcreator.html
[21:58] <rsalveti> I/ubuntu::detail::ApplicationManager(  167): virtual void ubuntu::detail::ApplicationManager::report_osk_visible(int32_t, int32_t, int32_t, int32_t)(x=0, y=812, width=768, height=468)
[21:58] <ogra_> pmcgowan, haha ... same here
[21:58] <rsalveti> you should see something similar
[21:58] <rsalveti> yeah, flashing by pressing buttons is not something I'm very used with
[21:59] <rickspencer3> more specifically: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PMxhqDeHmqs/UUkCoUuFobI/AAAAAAAAAnY/XFw3FJ1usDs/s1600/Screenshot+from+2013-03-19+17:08:26.png
[21:59] <rsalveti> but it's awesome that it works
[21:59] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: I dont see the dims
[21:59] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, well, all it does is run the command line tools
[21:59] <rickspencer3> opens a terminal and runs the command ;)
[21:59] <rsalveti> yeah, imagined that :-)
[21:59] <rickspencer3> I'm just trying to have the whole Ubuntu Touch developer experience ;)
[22:00] <rickspencer3> the ssh button is really handy
[22:00] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: nothing with adb logcat?
[22:00] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: it logs but not x,y width height I can see
[22:00] <rsalveti> yeah, might give it a try as well
[22:01] <rsalveti> every time it comes up I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/5635392/
[22:01] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: is that in the browser
[22:02] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5635396/
[22:02] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: yup, gmail app
[22:02] <rsalveti> but it should be at any app, as the log comes from the ubuntuappmanager
[22:02] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: mind pasting your logcat?
[22:04] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: that's weird, after a fresh boot?
[22:04] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: yep
[22:05] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: tell you what, I will load the latest and do it again, then update the bug for osomon on the osk issue
[22:05] <rsalveti> it works just fine with both manta and mako, using today's image
[22:05] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: this grouper is a bear
[22:06] <rsalveti> even at the login screen
[22:06] <rsalveti> I/ubuntu::detail::ApplicationManager(  132): virtual void ubuntu::detail::ApplicationManager::report_osk_visible(int32_t, int32_t, int32_t, int32_t)(x=0, y=932, width=2560, height=668)
[22:06] <rsalveti> lol
[22:06] <pmcgowan> it could explain why the keyboard doesnt work so well
[22:06] <rsalveti> could be
[22:07] <krabador> will ubuntu-touch have dpi settings in the way to support devices screen?
[22:07] <rsalveti> jezz, android takes ages to boot
[22:07] <rsalveti> krabador: already does
[22:08] <rsalveti> but currently it's not automatic yet, you need to set the preferred dpi for your device by hand
[22:08] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: your paste was from the nexus 4?
[22:08] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: yes
[22:10] <krabador> ogra_, do you've experiencing that http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39413327&postcount=94 ?
[22:11] <krabador> *you're
[22:19] <ogra_> krabador, i see the same issue on my SGS2, yes
[22:19] <ogra_> but i havent had time to look into it
[22:22] <ogra_> krabador, i guess seeing the two values more distinct would help :)
[22:23] <krabador> ogra_, yes i'm trying to set some value in the midle
[22:23] <ogra_> if you find some that work, let me know
[22:24] <ogra_> also try the the browser though
[22:24] <ogra_> QTWEBKIT_DPR has some massive impact on it
[22:29] <dank101> maybe 1.3?
[22:33] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: any difference with mako?
[22:38] <netcurli> has anyone here used the DefaultSheet or ComposerSheet from Ubuntu.Components.Popups yet?
[22:39] <netcurli> the default width of these is bigger than my gnex screen, can I change the width somehow, or is this a bug?
[22:41] <rickspencer3> hi netcurli ... I think most of the components devs are european based :/
[22:41] <rickspencer3> it might be slow to get a response
[22:44] <rickspencer3> netcurli, I suppose you looked here:
[22:44] <rickspencer3> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components-popups0-composersheet-members.html
[22:45] <rickspencer3> and tried contentsWidth and it didn't work :/?
[22:50] <netcurli> contentsWidth seems to work. I expected it to only set the width for the content and not the popup itself
[22:52] <netcurli> thx
[22:53] <netcurli> it would be easier to use also, if it would not exceed the screen width by default
[22:58] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, olli where could netcurli or I log a bug with this feedback?
[22:58] <rickspencer3> oops, wrong olli
[22:59] <rickspencer3> ogra_ (if you are still up, though probably you should not be ;) )
[22:59] <ogra_> haha
[22:59] <ogra_> should, yeah
[22:59] <olli> ogra_, :)
[23:00] <ogra_> rickspencer3, netcurli , the only bug pool we have until all packages are in the archive is https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+filebug
[23:01] <ogra_> (as the channel topic says btw)
[23:01] <rickspencer3> ogra_, or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[23:01] <rickspencer3> ?
[23:02] <ogra_> if it has bugtracking enabled it will definitely land in the mailbox of the right people there
[23:02] <rickspencer3> it does
[23:02] <ogra_> then use that and they can sort the bug in the right place if its wrong there
[23:03] <rickspencer3> netcurli, would you be happy to log your feedback as a bug?
[23:03] <rickspencer3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+filebug
[23:03] <Hashcode> lol
[23:03] <Hashcode>  #1132439 Android and iOS have majority of the phone market share
[23:03] <rickspencer3> oh boy
[23:04] <Hashcode> I didn't start that :P just sharing
[23:11] <netcurli> rickspencer3: I filed a bug against ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[23:12] <rickspencer3> thanks netcurli
[23:12] <netcurli> btw: I am from Europe as well, maybe I should be in bed too :D
[23:17] <ogra_> we all should ...
[23:19] <x0g_> i have a question about ubuntu touch. How can i switch from "touch mode" to normal ubuntu (like desktop version). Is it possible?
[23:20] <rickspencer3> x0g_, so you have a device like an Nexus 7 or something, and you want to install the standard Ubuntu Desktop on it?
[23:20] <rickspencer3> I don't think anyone produces images like that anymore
[23:21] <x0g_> no i want to install the ubuntu touch but it seems to be able to turn into ubuntu deskop. At least that's what was shown in the videos
[23:22] <rickspencer3> x0g_, I see
[23:23] <rickspencer3> x0g_, that is still being feverishly worked on, but is not supported yet
[23:23] <rickspencer3> we call that the "convergent device"
[23:23] <rickspencer3> in the future, you can dock your phone and tablet and it turns into a desktop experience
[23:23] <x0g_> rickspencer3 oh i see. It's the best feature of ubuntu touch in my opinion
[23:23] <rickspencer3> x0g_, yeah, it's killer
[23:24] <rickspencer3> but will take some time to develop
[23:24] <x0g_> rickspencer3 yeah but what do you mean by docking? docking to the screen
[23:24] <x0g_> ?
[23:25] <x0g_> since no other computer should be required
[23:25] <rickspencer3> x0g_, well, there will be various ways to connect it to keyboard, mouse, and monitor
[23:25] <rickspencer3> you could imagine, for example, a little 'dock' that you plug your phone into, like a charging station
[23:26] <rickspencer3> but it has desktop peripherals attached
[23:26] <rickspencer3> you could imagine a totally wireless solution as well
[23:26] <rsalveti> boiko: the phone-app icon at the shell and hud are different now, is that expected?
[23:28] <x0g_> rickspencer3 that would be great. When do you think this featured will be available?
[23:28] <rickspencer3> x0g_, hard to say, but I would hazard a guess in time for the next LTS for sure
[23:30] <x0g_> you mean in 2014?
[23:31] <rickspencer3> yeah
[23:32] <rickspencer3> x0g_, however, there is also Ubuntu for Android
[23:33] <ogra_> and ubuntu for windows :)
[23:33] <x0g_> rickspencer3 what is different?
[23:33] <rickspencer3> x0g_, Ubuntu Touch is Ubuntu running on mobile devices, and tuned for touch and mobile experiences
[23:34] <rickspencer3> Ubuntu for Android would let you run a Ubuntu desktop from an Android device
[23:39] <x0g_> rickspencer3 i see. And which one is will be released first? I only saw a dev version of ubuntu for phones
[23:40] <rickspencer3> x0g_, well, Ubuntu For Android requires a phone manufacturer to enable it ... so "stay tuned"
[23:41] <x0g_> rickspencer3 so it won't be compatible with current android phones?
[23:42] <rickspencer3> x0g_, well, that would be up to the phone manufacturer
[23:43] <x0g_> why does it depend on the manufacturer? can't we just install any os we want?
[23:45] <rickspencer3> x0g_, the manufacturer has to enable the device to run Ubuntu Desktop along with android
[23:49] <x0g_> rickspencer3 i don't really understand why but i believe you =) since i thought it was possible to make an os that would run ubuntu and android in the same time.
[23:49] <rickspencer3> x0g_, the trick is to let Ubuntu read the same files that Android uses
[23:49] <rsalveti> ogra_: seems ubuntu-session is finally working at all devices I have, will approve
[23:50] <ogra_> yay
[23:50] <rsalveti> kind of a pain to test with all devices
[23:50] <ogra_> yeah
[23:51] <rsalveti> ricmm: ubuntuappmanager keeps crashing from time to time when rebooting the device
[23:51] <rsalveti> guess that old binder issue
[23:51] <ogra_> i'll send a mail to the ML tomorrow and update the wiki with new instructions
[23:51] <x0g_> rickspencer3 ok i see. Thanks for your answers. I am considering buying a nexus 4. I will switch another when ubuntu for android will come out i think.
[23:51] <ogra_> lets see if we can collect a little database :)
[23:51] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup, I can do that, don't worry
[23:51] <ogra_> k
[23:51] <rsalveti> as it'll land at today's image
[23:52] <rsalveti> "today" :-)
[23:52] <ogra_> heh
[23:52]  * ogra_ waves from tomorrow
[23:52] <rsalveti> yeah :-)
[23:54] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, quick q ...
[23:54] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: sure
[23:54] <rickspencer3> I'm trying to add a feature to QtCreator plugin that displays the build of Ubuntu on the device
[23:54] <rickspencer3> is there an easy command that I can run to get that?
[23:55] <rickspencer3> other than ssh'ing into the device and cat the file?
[23:58] <rsalveti> ogra_: happroved
[23:58] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, sorry, by "that" I mean, is there an easy command to get the name of hte build on the device
[23:58] <rickspencer3> ?
[23:58] <rickspencer3> before I ssh onto the device and cat some file
[23:59] <rickspencer3> maybe that was the "hard way"?