| rick_h_ | howdy CHC folks | 00:14 |
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| rick_h_ | snap-l: are the new couple there? | 00:14 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: if so make sure they hear about pycamp at pyohio for a cool python boot camp http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pyohio13/pyohio13-event | 00:14 |
| mathomastech | rick_h_: Hey rick. The new peeps aren't here yet. If they show up, Ill definitely pass it on. | 00:16 |
| rick_h_ | mathomastech: thanks! | 00:16 |
| rick_h_ | mathomastech: you guys get the room ok? | 00:16 |
| mathomastech | rick_h_: Today was one of the days that it was already booked. We swiped some tables in the dining area. | 00:18 |
| rick_h_ | ah gotcha :( | 00:18 |
| snap-l | Yeah, we're out in the open | 00:23 |
| mathomastech | Blazeix: How was the meetup? | 03:00 |
| mathomastech | If anyone is available tomorrow night, there is a python developer meetup in Southfield. I am planning on going | 03:01 |
| mathomastech | http://www.meetup.com/Michigan-Python-Development-Group/events/106750512/ | 03:01 |
| snap-l | So, anyone using Google Keep? | 12:15 |
| snap-l | THink I'm going to use it for some journaling | 12:15 |
| snap-l | at least to get ideas out of my head so I can process them later | 12:16 |
| snap-l | no worse than the other stuff I've been doing for not journaling | 12:16 |
| rick_h_ | nope, I've gone field notes for most stuff currently and not logged into evernote for years so no desire to get into it | 12:16 |
| brousch | I use Evernote | 12:16 |
| brousch | It is open all day every day in a browser app | 12:17 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: field notes? | 12:17 |
| rick_h_ | http://goo.gl/8jWU0 | 12:17 |
| rick_h_ | in my back pocket :) | 12:17 |
| snap-l | That's what I thought | 12:17 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I carry around a moleskine at work | 12:18 |
| snap-l | haven't moved my old small moleskine to ubiquitous capture yet. | 12:18 |
| rick_h_ | it was cool when I was doing the car shopping and such | 12:18 |
| rick_h_ | started just keeping it in my pocket and handy to have a pen on you | 12:19 |
| * brousch holds his nose | 12:20 | |
| brousch | Barbaric! | 12:20 |
| brousch | https://bitbucket.org/r1chardj0n3s/pypi-pep/src/fde8529df03c/PEP-PIP-DRAFT.txt?at=default | 12:26 |
| brousch | Sounds good to me | 12:26 |
| snap-l | Honestly, pip should be in the standard library | 12:32 |
| snap-l | That's probably heresy, but frankly pip won | 12:32 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but it's still broken enough it can't go in the stdlib | 12:34 |
| rick_h_ | so they want to do some sort of special "it's included but not stdlib..." strangeness | 12:34 |
| brousch | I ran into a pip bug while trying to use virtualenv on Android. It would have sucked to wait for a Python update to fix it | 12:37 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I agree this is a nice step in the "perfect is the enemy of the good" mentality | 12:38 |
| rick_h_ | it sets a dangerous precendent thuogh | 12:39 |
| brousch | Bootstrap all the modules? | 12:39 |
| snap-l | is github having problems with authentication for anyone else? | 12:39 |
| rick_h_ | just logged out/in here to test it without issue | 12:40 |
| snap-l | Hm | 12:40 |
| snap-l | I can log in OK, it's asking me to log in though | 12:41 |
| snap-l | maybe some session expired | 12:41 |
| snap-l | but my atom feed of activity is now giving a 401 | 12:41 |
| snap-l | Token changed for some reason | 12:42 |
| snap-l | veddy stwange. | 12:42 |
| brousch | mitm! | 12:43 |
| brousch | He's stealing ur codez! | 12:43 |
| snap-l | Probably | 12:43 |
| * Blazeix looks around shiftily | 13:25 | |
| Blazeix | can anybody hook me up with mobidevday promotion codez? | 13:25 |
| snap-l | I don't think I have any. Let me check | 13:26 |
| snap-l | I don't have any. Sorry. | 13:27 |
| Blazeix | no problem, i'm going to buy a ticket either way, just hoping to save a few bucks | 13:28 |
| brousch | Blazeix: I found this one http://goo.gl/wnTD5 | 13:29 |
| snap-l | Expired on the 18th | 13:29 |
| brousch | No, they extended to 22nd | 13:30 |
| brousch | The email with that info says it extended | 13:30 |
| Blazeix | i think i have to be a member of that organization. I've been to a few of their meetings, but i don't think i'm officially a member | 13:31 |
| brousch | Blazeix: Also http://mobidevdaydetroit.com/volunteer/ | 13:32 |
| brousch | Event champion? | 13:32 |
| Blazeix | ah, nice. i have been pimping this conference at work... | 13:32 |
| Blazeix | maybe i can get work to pay for it :) mobile is kind of outside of our typical work... | 13:33 |
| brousch | I didn't realize it was so expensive. I'll have to polish my talk some more | 13:33 |
| brousch | If I can get a decent resolution projector working with my tablet it would help a lot | 13:34 |
| jrwren | good morning | 15:41 |
| rick_h_ | afternoon...almost | 15:56 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: just run away. The whole thing's a disaster at this point. Sorry, but the only person not in some level of 'wrong' at this point is jesse who handled it right at the conf | 15:59 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: ++ | 16:01 |
| jrwren | i just wanted to know what was going on. | 16:15 |
| jrwren | i've had no internet at home for a week. | 16:15 |
| jrwren | just wanted to be aware of what happened. that is all. | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, it's just gotten to be really complicated/tangled and at this point I wish I didn't know any of it | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | so I'm envious ;) | 16:17 |
| jrwren | you weren't there? | 16:17 |
| rick_h_ | no, I didn't go to pycon this year | 16:17 |
| jrwren | ;_; | 16:17 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 16:18 |
| jrwren | the DDoS happening right now amuzes me. | 16:18 |
| jrwren | looks like it was a good pycon | 16:18 |
| rick_h_ | yea, definitely | 16:18 |
| jrwren | i look forward to seeing videos posted. | 16:18 |
| rick_h_ | I'll be headnig back next year | 16:18 |
| rick_h_ | lots of videos up already. Watched two and watching guido's async talk now | 16:18 |
| jrwren | one of our young guys went, but I don't know him very well. | 16:18 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sOQLVm0-8Yg | 16:18 |
| jrwren | sweet thanks! | 16:18 |
| jrwren | ah, guido presented tulip eh? I'd like to see how he presents it. | 16:19 |
| rick_h_ | yep | 16:19 |
| jrwren | I've been following tulip on python-ideas rather closely | 16:19 |
| jrwren | it will be nice to have an async stack all teh way down. | 16:19 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but SOOOOOO much work to make the stdlib friendly with it | 16:19 |
| jrwren | yup | 16:19 |
| rick_h_ | forget how much code runs all those 'batteries included' | 16:19 |
| rick_h_ | but good goal to work towards | 16:20 |
| jrwren | basically anything network has to be redone bottom up. | 16:20 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 16:20 |
| jrwren | makes me really appreciate what .net has had from day1 | 16:20 |
| jrwren | we use pycurl with multicurl to work around the issue today :) | 16:20 |
| rick_h_ | ugh https://twitter.com/SendGrid/status/314768776577036288 | 16:20 |
| jrwren | but that sucks. | 16:20 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, job queue/multi-worker ftw for working around some of that | 16:21 |
| jrwren | zomg, companies should stop firing people. | 16:21 |
| rick_h_ | this is what I've mean. Everyone has gone way too far and this has blown up into a huge horrible mess | 16:21 |
| rick_h_ | and now no one can let anything go long enough to settle down | 16:22 |
| jrwren | yup | 16:22 |
| jrwren | and now, I have strong opinions about a company that I didn't even know existed 1hr ago. | 16:23 |
| jjesse | rick_h_ was it you that posted about that new debian release? can't remember the name | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | jjesse: yea, it was something strange. Debian testing into a release with kde by default | 16:32 |
| jjesse | thats what i thought | 16:33 |
| jjesse | ah found it http://blog.tenstral.net/2013/03/tanglu.html | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | yea, there you go | 16:35 |
| jjesse | just announced no download | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | but it's something to put on the radar in case mir/kde/ubuntu go down a rocky road as some kde folks worry about | 16:35 |
| jjesse | yeah | 16:36 |
| brousch | The kerfluffle is growing? | 17:03 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, bigger and bigger | 17:03 |
| brousch | Lovely | 17:04 |
| snap-l | And this is what happens wieh HR meets PR. | 17:13 |
| snap-l | s/wieh/when/ | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | she said some things she shouldn't have...but not cool to DDoS her company... | 17:15 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, I'm done with it. time to start blocking it all out...past time | 17:16 |
| brousch | Ut oh , it has a name and hashtag | 17:16 |
| brousch | #donglegate | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | lalalalalalalalalalala | 17:16 |
| snap-l | Yeah, unfortunately one company making it a PR problem has caused antoher company to make it a PR problem | 17:16 |
| snap-l | and now it's got the hallmarks of us vs them | 17:16 |
| snap-l | it even hit some of the RPG circles I follow that are notorious for gender stuff | 17:17 |
| greg-g | so, I don't know the whole story, all I know is Adria (yes) stayed on my couch last night because of a death threat and her address being tweeted and posted on 4chan. | 17:17 |
| brousch | greg-g: So you're in the thick of it now! | 17:18 |
| snap-l | greg-g: That's bullshit | 17:18 |
| greg-g | ? | 17:18 |
| snap-l | I mean bullshit that she had to hide | 17:18 |
| greg-g | right | 17:18 |
| brousch | Next you'll be helping her escape to Mexico | 17:18 |
| rick_h_ | damn...have I mentioned how I hate people? They're so stupid. | 17:18 |
| snap-l | Seriously, this should never have left the Pycon fold | 17:18 |
| snap-l | Pycon handled it. End of story | 17:19 |
| greg-g | yeah, I just heard the first parts of the story during work yesterday (omg, dudes got fired because someone tweeted their photo etc) and then next thing I knew I got an email from my housemate saying "hey, Adria's on our couch" | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's been one bad decision after another and another and another... | 17:19 |
| brousch | Address on 4chan would really suck | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | Mr. President, please flip the internet switch. Everyone needs to step away for a while | 17:19 |
| snap-l | I think she overreacted, but death threats, harassment, and termination are only effective at polarization and martyrdom | 17:19 |
| greg-g | also, I'm dealing with redeploying a broken wikimedia deployment :) Yay release manager! | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: doh :( | 17:24 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: plus one on the internet switch :) | 17:24 |
| * snap-l goes to post greg-g's info on reddit | 17:24 | |
| snap-l | ;) | 17:24 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:26 |
| greg-g | fix backported, redeploying to our test wiki now, almost all better and can get started on the things I wanted to do today :) | 17:26 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: I feel a new test being added :) | 17:27 |
| greg-g | and man, I don't know about the internal infrastructure of other project ya'll have worked on, but my lord, Wikimedia Foundation cluster is something massive | 17:27 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: yep, that was the second comment I made on the bug after "if this ain't fixed soon, rollback" | 17:28 |
| greg-g | cucumber test already created | 17:28 |
| rick_h_ | launchpad hit me like that. litterally a dozen+ different daemons/services all working together | 17:28 |
| greg-g | yeah, crazy | 17:28 |
| rick_h_ | layers and layers and layers, configs abound...and that's before you hit src code | 17:28 |
| greg-g | yep | 17:28 |
| greg-g | the cool part is all of our puppet config is public (except a small number of password/authentication stuff in private repos) | 17:29 |
| greg-g | https://noc.wikimedia.org/ | 17:29 |
| snap-l | greg-g: That's awesome. Shared with our group | 17:38 |
| greg-g | yeah, I remeber their announcement a year or so ago that they were switching to public puppet/etc configs, was pretty cool | 17:39 |
| greg-g | but, it's just how we roll, ya know? WMF is the only non-profit I know that is truly community-driven (and at this size) | 17:39 |
| snap-l | Definitely | 17:40 |
| brousch | I just realized that I'm greg-g's boss! My $5/mo to Wikimedia is totally paying off now | 17:44 |
| snap-l | brousch: Ask to drive the Wikimobile | 17:44 |
| greg-g | brousch: :) yes massir | 17:44 |
| rick_h_ | https://plus.google.com/u/0/104537541227697934010/posts/AqtHoWFWjkU interesting | 17:50 |
| greg-g | great, and our fix is itself broken...... | 17:55 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: :/ double doh | 17:56 |
| greg-g | NO MORE REFACTORING CODE | 17:56 |
| rick_h_ | lmao | 17:57 |
| jrwren | *gasp* | 17:57 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:57 |
| greg-g | correction: NO MORE REFACTORING CODE UNLESS YOU HAVE TEST COVERAGE | 17:57 |
| jrwren | oh nice. 39:35 - guido shots out to C# :) | 18:27 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, some times you just have to circle the wagons and stop the poo-flinging-patches | 18:48 |
| greg-g | yeah, we're going to sit still and think for a bit before moving forward :) | 18:50 |
| jcastro | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324103504578372760833495582.html?mod=business_newsreel | 19:26 |
| jcastro | proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy | 19:27 |
| jrwren | beer? | 19:27 |
| jcastro | no | 19:27 |
| jcastro | the link! | 19:27 |
| jrwren | i like beer proof better. | 19:27 |
| jcastro | do you live here yet? | 19:28 |
| jrwren | oracle down 8% on bad sales is a bonus. | 19:28 |
| jcastro | here close to me I mean? | 19:28 |
| jrwren | I DO! | 19:28 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 19:28 |
| jrwren | I live at Plymouth Rd. | 19:28 |
| jrwren | just down the highway. | 19:28 |
| jrwren | flav's house is right between us, lets crash his place :) | 19:28 |
| jcastro | I AGREE. | 19:29 |
| jcastro | n0p_: ^ | 19:29 |
| jrwren | hahaha http://www.pointerpointer.com/ | 19:43 |
| rick_h_ | dammit, I leave for a ltitle bit and now ars and TC are into the pycon crap? | 20:18 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: I was laughing at that this morning. Saw they blamed 'the sales channel' lol | 20:18 |
| rick_h_ | 'damn sales people didn't bend enough arms to get us the contracts we expect!' | 20:19 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: http://r.bmark.us/u/382cda6b093960 spamhaus in the news (well actually more cloudflare) | 20:22 |
| greg-g | how can I get rid of this stupid "you should restart" message from Software Updater? Also, I'm going to turn off the auto-check-for-new-updates | 21:08 |
| greg-g | the only button on it is "restart" | 21:08 |
| widox | greg-g: click it? | 21:14 |
| greg-g | widox: oh! Lemme try tha.... | 21:15 |
| widox | :D | 21:15 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I'm almost afraid to click | 21:51 |
| snap-l | nice write-up | 21:53 |
| snap-l | This is why I subscribe to Ars. | 21:54 |
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