[00:14] <rick_h_> howdy CHC folks
[00:14] <rick_h_> snap-l: are the new couple there?
[00:14] <rick_h_> snap-l: if so make sure they hear about pycamp at pyohio for a cool python boot camp http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/pyohio13/pyohio13-event
[00:16] <mathomastech> rick_h_: Hey rick. The new peeps aren't here yet. If they show up, Ill definitely pass it on.
[00:16] <rick_h_> mathomastech: thanks!
[00:16] <rick_h_> mathomastech: you guys get the room ok?
[00:18] <mathomastech> rick_h_: Today was one of the days that it was already booked. We swiped some tables in the dining area.
[00:18] <rick_h_> ah gotcha :(
[00:23] <snap-l> Yeah, we're out in the open
[03:00] <mathomastech> Blazeix: How was the meetup?
[03:01] <mathomastech> If anyone is available tomorrow night, there is a python developer meetup in Southfield. I am planning on going
[03:01] <mathomastech> http://www.meetup.com/Michigan-Python-Development-Group/events/106750512/
[12:15] <snap-l> So, anyone using Google Keep?
[12:15] <snap-l> THink I'm going to use it for some journaling
[12:16] <snap-l> at least to get ideas out of my head so I can process them later
[12:16] <snap-l> no worse than the other stuff I've been doing for not journaling
[12:16] <rick_h_>  nope, I've gone field notes for most stuff currently and not logged into evernote for years so no desire to get into it
[12:16] <brousch> I use Evernote
[12:17] <brousch> It is open all day every day in a browser app
[12:17] <snap-l> rick_h_: field notes?
[12:17] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/8jWU0
[12:17] <rick_h_> in my back pocket :)
[12:17] <snap-l> That's what I thought
[12:18] <snap-l> Yeah, I carry around a moleskine at work
[12:18] <snap-l> haven't moved my old small moleskine to ubiquitous capture yet.
[12:18] <rick_h_> it was cool when I was doing the car shopping and such
[12:19] <rick_h_> started just keeping it in my pocket and handy to have a pen on you
[12:20]  * brousch holds his nose
[12:20] <brousch> Barbaric!
[12:26] <brousch> https://bitbucket.org/r1chardj0n3s/pypi-pep/src/fde8529df03c/PEP-PIP-DRAFT.txt?at=default
[12:26] <brousch> Sounds good to me
[12:32] <snap-l> Honestly, pip should be in the standard library
[12:32] <snap-l> That's probably heresy, but frankly pip won
[12:34] <rick_h_> yea, but it's still broken enough it can't go in the stdlib
[12:34] <rick_h_> so they want to do some sort of special "it's included but not stdlib..." strangeness
[12:37] <brousch> I ran into a pip bug while trying to use virtualenv on Android. It would have sucked to wait for a Python update to fix it
[12:38] <snap-l> Yeah, I agree this is a nice step in the "perfect is the enemy of the good" mentality
[12:39] <rick_h_> it sets a dangerous precendent thuogh
[12:39] <brousch> Bootstrap all the modules?
[12:39] <snap-l> is github having problems with authentication for anyone else?
[12:40] <rick_h_> just logged out/in here to test it without issue
[12:40] <snap-l> Hm
[12:41] <snap-l> I can log in OK, it's asking me to log in though
[12:41] <snap-l> maybe some session expired
[12:41] <snap-l> but my atom feed of activity is now giving a 401
[12:42] <snap-l> Token changed for some reason
[12:42] <snap-l> veddy stwange.
[12:43] <brousch> mitm!
[12:43] <brousch> He's stealing ur codez!
[12:43] <snap-l> Probably
[13:25]  * Blazeix looks around shiftily
[13:25] <Blazeix> can anybody hook me up with mobidevday promotion codez?
[13:26] <snap-l> I don't think I have any. Let me check
[13:27] <snap-l> I don't have any. Sorry.
[13:28] <Blazeix> no problem, i'm going to buy a ticket either way, just hoping to save a few bucks
[13:29] <brousch> Blazeix: I found this one http://goo.gl/wnTD5
[13:29] <snap-l> Expired on the 18th
[13:30] <brousch> No, they extended to 22nd
[13:30] <brousch> The email with that info says it extended
[13:31] <Blazeix> i think i have to be a member of that organization. I've been to a few of their meetings, but i don't think i'm officially a member
[13:32] <brousch> Blazeix: Also http://mobidevdaydetroit.com/volunteer/
[13:32] <brousch> Event champion?
[13:32] <Blazeix> ah, nice. i have been pimping this conference at work...
[13:33] <Blazeix> maybe i can get work to pay for it :) mobile is kind of outside of our typical work...
[13:33] <brousch> I didn't realize it was so expensive. I'll have to polish my talk some more
[13:34] <brousch> If I can get a decent resolution projector working with my tablet it would help a lot
[15:41] <jrwren> good morning
[15:56] <rick_h_> afternoon...almost
[15:59] <rick_h_> jrwren: just run away. The whole thing's a disaster at this point. Sorry, but the only person not in some level of 'wrong' at this point is jesse who handled it right at the conf
[16:01] <snap-l> rick_h_: ++
[16:15] <jrwren> i just wanted to know what was going on.
[16:15] <jrwren> i've had no internet at home for a week.
[16:16] <jrwren> just wanted to be aware of what happened. that is all.
[16:16] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, it's just gotten to be really complicated/tangled and at this point I wish I didn't know any of it
[16:17] <rick_h_> so I'm envious ;)
[16:17] <jrwren> you weren't there?
[16:17] <rick_h_> no, I didn't go to pycon this year
[16:17] <jrwren> ;_;
[16:18] <rick_h_> yea
[16:18] <jrwren> the DDoS happening right now amuzes me.
[16:18] <jrwren> looks like it was a good pycon
[16:18] <rick_h_> yea, definitely
[16:18] <jrwren> i look forward to seeing videos posted.
[16:18] <rick_h_> I'll be headnig back next year
[16:18] <rick_h_> lots of videos up already. Watched two and watching guido's async talk now
[16:18] <jrwren> one of our young guys went, but I don't know him very well.
[16:18] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sOQLVm0-8Yg
[16:18] <jrwren> sweet thanks!
[16:19] <jrwren> ah, guido presented tulip eh?  I'd like to see how he presents it.
[16:19] <rick_h_> yep
[16:19] <jrwren> I've been following tulip on python-ideas rather closely
[16:19] <jrwren> it will be nice to have an async stack all teh way down.
[16:19] <rick_h_> yea, but SOOOOOO much work to make the stdlib friendly with it
[16:19] <jrwren> yup
[16:19] <rick_h_> forget how much code runs all those 'batteries included'
[16:20] <rick_h_> but good goal to work towards
[16:20] <jrwren> basically anything network has to be redone bottom up.
[16:20] <rick_h_> yea
[16:20] <jrwren> makes me really appreciate what .net has had from day1
[16:20] <jrwren> we use pycurl with multicurl to work around the issue today :)
[16:20] <rick_h_> ugh https://twitter.com/SendGrid/status/314768776577036288
[16:20] <jrwren> but that sucks.
[16:21] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, job queue/multi-worker ftw for working around some of that
[16:21] <jrwren> zomg, companies should stop firing people.
[16:21] <rick_h_> this is what I've mean. Everyone has gone way too far and this has blown up into a huge horrible mess
[16:22] <rick_h_> and now no one can let anything go long enough to settle down
[16:22] <jrwren> yup
[16:23] <jrwren> and now, I have strong opinions about a company that I didn't even know existed 1hr ago.
[16:32] <jjesse> rick_h_ was it you that posted about that new debian release?  can't remember the name
[16:32] <rick_h_> jjesse: yea, it was something strange. Debian testing into a release with kde by default
[16:33] <jjesse> thats what i thought
[16:34] <jjesse> ah found it http://blog.tenstral.net/2013/03/tanglu.html
[16:35] <rick_h_> yea, there you go
[16:35] <jjesse> just announced no download
[16:35] <rick_h_> yea
[16:35] <rick_h_> but it's something to put on the radar in case mir/kde/ubuntu go down a rocky road as some kde folks worry about
[16:36] <jjesse> yeah
[17:03] <brousch> The kerfluffle is growing?
[17:03] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, bigger and bigger
[17:04] <brousch> Lovely
[17:13] <snap-l> And this is what happens wieh HR meets PR.
[17:13] <snap-l> s/wieh/when/
[17:15] <rick_h_> she said some things she shouldn't have...but not cool to DDoS her company...
[17:16] <rick_h_> ugh, I'm done with it. time to start blocking it all out...past time
[17:16] <brousch> Ut oh , it has a name and hashtag
[17:16] <brousch> #donglegate
[17:16] <rick_h_> lalalalalalalalalalala
[17:16] <snap-l> Yeah, unfortunately one company making it a PR problem has caused antoher company to make it a PR problem
[17:16] <snap-l> and now it's got the hallmarks of us vs them
[17:17] <snap-l> it even hit some of the RPG circles I follow that are notorious for gender stuff
[17:17] <greg-g> so, I don't know the whole story, all I know is Adria (yes) stayed on my couch last night because of a death threat and her address being tweeted and posted on 4chan.
[17:18] <brousch> greg-g: So you're in the thick of it now!
[17:18] <snap-l> greg-g: That's bullshit
[17:18] <greg-g> ?
[17:18] <snap-l> I mean bullshit that she had to hide
[17:18] <greg-g> right
[17:18] <brousch> Next you'll be helping her escape to Mexico
[17:18] <rick_h_> damn...have I mentioned how I hate people? They're so stupid.
[17:18] <snap-l> Seriously, this should never have left the Pycon fold
[17:19] <snap-l> Pycon handled it. End of story
[17:19] <greg-g> yeah, I just heard the first parts of the story during work yesterday (omg, dudes got fired because someone tweeted their photo etc) and then next thing I knew I got an email from my housemate saying "hey, Adria's on our couch"
[17:19] <rick_h_> yea, it's been one bad decision after another and another and another...
[17:19] <brousch> Address on 4chan would really suck
[17:19] <rick_h_> Mr. President, please flip the internet switch. Everyone needs to step away for a while
[17:19] <snap-l> I think she overreacted, but death threats, harassment, and termination are only effective at polarization and martyrdom
[17:23] <greg-g> also, I'm dealing with redeploying a broken wikimedia deployment :) Yay release manager!
[17:24] <rick_h_> greg-g: doh :(
[17:24] <greg-g> rick_h_: plus one on the internet switch :)
[17:24]  * snap-l goes to post greg-g's info on reddit
[17:24] <snap-l> ;)
[17:26] <greg-g> :)
[17:26] <greg-g> fix backported, redeploying to our test wiki now, almost all better and can get started on the things I wanted to do today :)
[17:27] <rick_h_> greg-g: I feel a new test being added :)
[17:27] <greg-g> and man, I don't know about the internal infrastructure of other project ya'll have worked on, but my lord, Wikimedia Foundation cluster is something massive
[17:28] <greg-g> rick_h_: yep, that was the second comment I made on the bug after "if this ain't fixed soon, rollback"
[17:28] <greg-g> cucumber test already created
[17:28] <rick_h_> launchpad hit me like that. litterally a dozen+ different daemons/services all working together
[17:28] <greg-g> yeah, crazy
[17:28] <rick_h_> layers and layers and layers, configs abound...and that's before you hit src code
[17:28] <greg-g> yep
[17:29] <greg-g> the cool part is all of our puppet config is public (except a small number of password/authentication stuff in private repos)
[17:29] <greg-g> https://noc.wikimedia.org/
[17:38] <snap-l> greg-g: That's awesome. Shared with our group
[17:39] <greg-g> yeah, I remeber their announcement a year or so ago that they were switching to public puppet/etc configs, was pretty cool
[17:39] <greg-g> but, it's just how we roll, ya know? WMF is the only non-profit I know that is truly community-driven (and at this size)
[17:40] <snap-l> Definitely
[17:44] <brousch> I just realized that I'm greg-g's boss! My $5/mo to Wikimedia is totally paying off now
[17:44] <snap-l> brousch: Ask to drive the Wikimobile
[17:44] <greg-g> brousch: :) yes massir
[17:50] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104537541227697934010/posts/AqtHoWFWjkU interesting
[17:55] <greg-g> great, and our fix is itself broken......
[17:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: :/ double doh
[17:56] <greg-g> NO MORE REFACTORING CODE
[17:57] <rick_h_> lmao
[17:57] <jrwren> *gasp*
[17:57] <greg-g> :)
[17:57] <greg-g> correction: NO MORE REFACTORING CODE UNLESS YOU HAVE TEST COVERAGE
[18:27] <jrwren> oh nice. 39:35 - guido shots out to C# :)
[18:48] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, some times you just have to circle the wagons and stop the poo-flinging-patches
[18:50] <greg-g> yeah, we're going to sit still and think for a bit before moving forward :)
[19:26] <jcastro> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324103504578372760833495582.html?mod=business_newsreel
[19:27] <jcastro> proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy
[19:27] <jrwren> beer?
[19:27] <jcastro> no
[19:27] <jcastro> the link!
[19:27] <jrwren> i like beer proof better.
[19:28] <jcastro> do you live here yet?
[19:28] <jrwren> oracle down 8% on bad sales is a bonus.
[19:28] <jcastro> here close to me I mean?
[19:28] <jrwren> I DO!
[19:28] <jcastro> \o/
[19:28] <jrwren> I live at Plymouth Rd.
[19:28] <jrwren> just down the highway.
[19:28] <jrwren> flav's house is right between us, lets crash his place :)
[19:29] <jcastro> I AGREE.
[19:29] <jcastro> n0p_: ^
[19:43] <jrwren> hahaha http://www.pointerpointer.com/
[20:18] <rick_h_> dammit, I leave for a ltitle bit and now ars and TC are into the pycon crap?
[20:18] <rick_h_> jcastro: I was laughing at that this morning. Saw they blamed 'the sales channel' lol
[20:19] <rick_h_> 'damn sales people didn't bend enough arms to get us the contracts we expect!'
[20:22] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://r.bmark.us/u/382cda6b093960 spamhaus in the news (well actually more cloudflare)
[21:08] <greg-g> how can I get rid of this stupid "you should restart" message from Software Updater? Also, I'm going to turn off the auto-check-for-new-updates
[21:08] <greg-g> the only button on it is "restart"
[21:14] <widox> greg-g: click it?
[21:15] <greg-g> widox: oh! Lemme try tha....
[21:15] <widox> :D
[21:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: I'm almost afraid to click
[21:53] <snap-l> nice write-up
[21:54] <snap-l> This is why I subscribe to Ars.