[01:26] <Lump|AFK> heyas
[01:27] <Lump|AFK> len got your email but have not had a hot minute to look it over
[01:34] <Len-nb> Lump|AFK, no problem
[01:37] <Lump|AFK> i did have enough time to install the beta on my Eee 1000
[01:37] <Lump|AFK> got the error reporting on for yas
[01:40] <Len-nb> I've been waiting for the new slideshow to be released
[01:41] <Len-nb> Be nice if Catfish made it too.
[01:41] <Lump|AFK> and i am also getting even a tad braver on the Eee
[01:41] <Len-nb> I finally upgraded my server to precise.
[01:42] <Lump|AFK> going to get with my nick soon and see if I can get Chrome OS installed on it as well
[01:43] <Len-nb> have fun... 
[01:44] <Len-nb> I need to make some bread dough for tomorrow.
[01:46] <Lump|AFK> sounds yummy
[02:14] <Len-nb> Should be
[03:58] <micahg> I'll try to get to catfish soon
[04:03] <Lump|AFK> what is catfish?
[04:04] <Lump|AFK> and do any of you, by chance, have any clues on how to get chrome OS to run from the hd on an Eee 1000
[04:06] <Lump|AFK> nvm on catfish
[04:45] <len-dt> Thank you micahg 
[04:46] <len-dt> Lump|AFK, tbh I have not played with chrome OS on any machine.
[06:19] <Len-nb> zequence, just reading about the opus streaming format (silk/celt). It fits in an OGG file format but is quite different. The ogg vorbis codec has the same sample rate in and  out. opus does not. Internally opus may change the sample rate from frame to frame, so sample rate at the output end is not set.
[06:23] <Len-nb> The recommendation for codec output rate is: "If the hardware supports 48 kHz playback, decode at 48 kHz, else if the hardware's highest available sample rate is a supported rate, decode at this sample rate,  else if the hardware's highest available sample rate is less than 48 kHz, decode at the next higher supported rate and resample, else decode at 48 kHz and resample. 
[06:25] <Len-nb> The supported rates are: 8, 12, 16, 24, or 48 kHz.
[06:26] <Len-nb> Hmm, no 44.1 or 32
[12:30] <Lump|AFK> that is an interesting way to deal with latency len
[12:31] <Lump|AFK> similar to how vbr dealt with file size
[12:31] <Lump|AFK> but if it is internally changing the sample rate, more or less, it is only using the cycles it needs
[13:10] <zequence> Len-nb: Can't say I know much about how sample rate is managed in codecs and such
[15:47] <Len-nb> zequence, our slideshow should be in todays iso
[17:53] <Lump|AFK> heyas
[17:53] <Lump|AFK> zequence: in the "old days" the logic was to reduce the file size
[17:54] <Lump|AFK> VBR with lame encoding did so by only using the bit rate it needed to in order to keep the file size smaller
[17:54] <Lump|AFK> from what i get from len's comments is that this voip program is, more or less, using the same logic to conserve on CPU cycles
[18:51] <len-dt> Lump|AFK, Actually this is different. there is a difference between bitrate and sample rate. In an MP3 or vorbis stream, the bitrate can change from frame to frame, but the decodes output is sample for sample of the input of the chain. opus is not. It expects 48K in (can use other sample rates too) but then encodes in a varying sample rate depending on what the highest frequency of the incoming signal is at any one time.
[18:53] <len-dt> And what the expected average or top bitrate is. The expected bitrate can change on the fly as well, to take into account changing transport bandwidth.
[18:54] <len-dt> What is amazing is the quality of sound/bitrate. Especially at lower bitrates, opus is way better than vorbis or MP3.
[18:57] <len-dt> Where a vorbis/mp3 stream can have as much as 3 to 5 sec of latency from raw signal in to raw out, opus is less than 50ms and can be as low as 2.5ms at high bitrates.
[18:59] <Lump|AFK> nice
[19:00] <len-dt> I think opus is the next thing for voip as well as remote broadcast contribution.
[19:00] <Lump|AFK> and yeah, i get the difference just missed it earlier
[19:00] <Lump|AFK> i am hereish at best
[19:00] <Lump|AFK> personal life this week has been living hell
[19:00] <len-dt> Waiting for my bread to proof.
[19:00] <Lump|AFK> my xgf attacked me on monday and i spent half the week in jail
[19:01] <Lump|AFK> trying to move her and her son's stuff out and she is being a real difficult person about it
[19:01] <len-dt> Thats the way it goes. I came close with an Xwife years ago.
[19:01] <Lump|AFK> well, it is what it is and she needs to deal with her issues
[19:02] <Lump|AFK> if she continues to stay with me all i am is an enabler
[19:02] <len-dt> I had custody of my son for 6 hours, then I became a child molester
[19:02] <Lump|AFK> right now i am just trying to get her possesions over to where she is at
[19:03] <Lump|AFK> i called at the agreed time, texted as well and now... abolutely no response
[19:03] <len-dt> The judge didn't believe it, but social services took my son "just in case"
[19:03] <Lump|AFK> i know the feeling
[19:03] <Lump|AFK> there were no charges in this case because I convinced the investigators that she needs some help
[19:04] <Lump|AFK> but, they did take both of us to lock up
[19:04] <len-dt> Glad you are out.
[19:04] <Lump|AFK> but i am not going to load up a car and drive across town to leave the stuff on a pourch
[19:05] <Lump|AFK> because if anything did happen to it, you know who would be blamed
[19:05] <len-dt> I don't know what the laws are there, but here someone moved out has 30 days to claim their stuff, then it can be tossed.
[19:05] <Lump|AFK> same here
[19:05] <Lump|AFK> but i am not wanting to do that
[19:05] <Lump|AFK> long story short and just being honest
[19:06] <Lump|AFK> i still care about her and the kid very much
[19:06] <len-dt> It is not about wanting to do sometimes.
[19:06] <Lump|AFK> she has had a tough luck life and need some serious help
[19:06] <Lump|AFK> i am going to make every effort to get her stuff to her
[19:06] <len-dt> Ya, but not help from you.
[19:07] <Lump|AFK> i don't need to toss it, i have storage space so i need not toss it
[19:07] <len-dt> You are too close
[19:07] <Lump|AFK> but her and the kid do need clothing and such
[19:07] <Lump|AFK> i know that regarding the help len
[19:07] <len-dt> So store it. She will ask if you leave it long enough
[19:08] <Lump|AFK> that is why i made the tough call to put her out
[19:08] <Lump|AFK> it is already packed
[19:08] <Lump|AFK> the issue is that she was supposed to take a call at a set time today
[19:08] <Lump|AFK> and i get a full voice mail and no reply to texts
[19:08] <Lump|AFK> i am not going to load a car to go to an empty house
[19:08] <Lump|AFK> so, more or less, what you said
[19:09] <len-dt> Let it go. If you can store it do so.
[19:10] <len-dt> Takes time for people to cool down, some more than others.
[19:10] <len-dt> Its old, but time does heal.
[19:17] <Lump|AFK> i had another gf who got into crack and i had to put her and her three kids out
[19:17] <Lump|AFK> that was over a decade ago
[19:18] <Lump|AFK> she actually reconnected with me and thanked me for saving her life recently
[19:19] <Lump|AFK> hopefully, this works out the same
[19:19] <len-dt> or better.
[19:56] <Lump|AFK> on another note
[19:56] <Lump|AFK> noticed an oddity with the beta
[19:57] <Lump|AFK> when my blue tooth mouse connects, it shows two battery icons in the task bar
[19:57] <len-dt> Thankyou for reminding me, the daily is out an hour ago now.
[19:58] <len-dt> That is odd, I wonder if that is an xfce thing or an icon theme thing.
[19:58] <Lump|AFK> do i need to manually do the daily or will it work via update?
[19:58] <Lump|AFK> i don't know but one indicator says adapter is online and battery is fully charged
[19:58] <len-dt> It will upgrade, but what I want to test is the slideshow during install
[19:59] <Lump|AFK> and the other says adaptor is online and the battery is charging
[19:59] <len-dt> That is weird
[19:59] <Lump|AFK> well, if i am going to change chrome
[19:59] <Lump|AFK> i need to do a reinstall anyhow
[19:59] <Lump|AFK> i can not get the chrome os to boot off a partition
[20:00] <Lump|AFK> so i might just use the internal 8 GB 
[20:00] <Lump|AFK> but i set this netbook up rather odd
[20:00] <Lump|AFK> also what min size do you recommend for both root and home
[20:00] <Lump|AFK> i set my partitions up so that the home dir is the sd card
[20:01] <Lump|AFK> thus, if i travel, i pull it out for safety sake
[20:02] <Lump|AFK> and if, i did double check, both on 12.04 and this 13.04 build, it does the same battery thing if i connect the blue tooth mouse
[20:02] <len-dt> It seems to me root (/usr /var etc.) needs close to 8, 6.5 or something. I haven't looked at it for a bit. Used to be 4.6
[20:03] <Lump|AFK> well for ubuntu basic, they recomend min 8
[20:03] <len-dt> The used diskspace after install depends on disksize too. It is smaller on small disks.
[20:03] <Lump|AFK> i have an 8 and a 32 internal
[20:03] <len-dt> Hmm, says I have 12% to download
[20:04] <Lump|AFK> and a 32 sd removable
[20:04] <len-dt> I use a 40G USB drive.
[20:04] <Lump|AFK> where i made my error was, at first, i was going to install 12.04 and 13.04 side by side
[20:04] <Lump|AFK> so i just split the drives 50/50
[20:05] <len-dt> Oops.
[20:05] <Lump|AFK> then i changed my mind and went only with 13.04 and was going to try chrome
[20:05] <Lump|AFK> so now when i try to boot chrome, the bios just goes wtf???
[20:05] <Lump|AFK> i don't think chrome is going t work unless, i have it on it's own drive
[20:06] <len-dt> Boot 13.04 and redo grub.
[20:06] <Lump|AFK> i don't think grub is seeing it
[20:06] <Lump|AFK> how would i redo grub
[20:06] <Lump|AFK> what is the cli?
[20:06] <len-dt> There are two steps...
[20:06] <Lump|AFK> 13.04 is booted i will give it a try
[20:06] <len-dt> I don't remember off the top of my head
[20:07] <Lump|AFK> no worries
[20:07] <Lump|AFK> i will look it up right quick
[20:07] <Lump|AFK> i have done it before but don't recall either
[20:07] <Lump|AFK> lol
[20:08] <Lump|AFK> if i google "redoing grub" it pulls up all kinds of burger joint articles
[20:08] <len-dt> :)
[20:12] <Lump|AFK> well looks like this will be a project for a bit later
[20:12] <Lump|AFK> my company just arrived
[20:12] <len-dt> Ok, bye now.
[21:18] <ubuntu-studio> zequence, I just realized that we do not have a publishing slide in the install slideshow.
[21:27] <zequence> ubuntu-studio: also the py script that explains what happens when you do the irc thing has wrong info
[21:56] <ubuntu-studio> zequence, are we going to worry about these things for 13.04? or just fix for +1?
[21:56] <ubuntu-studio> anyway, I am going to reboot into the new install...
[22:29] <zequence> Home clean. Let's see how many days it stays that way this time
[22:30] <len-1304> Jack and PA are still behaving well together
[22:30] <zequence> Every time I put every piece of item where it's supposed to be, something happens, and I end up having half a bands instruments being freighted home to my place
[22:30] <len-1304> :)
[22:32] <zequence> Yea, jack and PA both seem to work fine. Though, something that has happened before, and still happens, is that after starting and stopping jack a few times, and using PA for a bunch of things, including playing flash, the module stops initializing
[22:32] <zequence> Or, the module stops creating the sink and source, is what I mean
[22:33] <len-1304> I'll have to play, I haven't seen that
[22:34] <zequence> len-1304: Probably some dbus thing, something becomes mixed up at some point
[22:35] <len-1304> Mish's Wall Paper is there.
[22:36] <len-1304> File Manager and Terminal Emulator still come up as unselected.
[22:36] <zequence> Something weird happened to a development release install, after updating. The login screen was all grabled, after the wallpapers got updated. 
[22:37] <len-1304> Looked ok to me
[22:37] <zequence> After updating from not using it for a months or so
[22:37] <zequence> There was no wallpaper. Just garbled squares
[22:38] <zequence> I usually don't put any energy on those things, as that kind of stuff usually happens during development
[22:38] <len-1304> I haven't seen that, I was using 13.04 up till two days ago. Updating as I went.
[22:38] <zequence> Don't think I changed the wallpaper myself
[22:38] <len-1304> I needed this disk to back up my server so I could update that
[22:39] <zequence> The default changed automatically. So, there was never any user settings on that
[22:40] <len-1304> I ended up not using it because it was faster to backup over network at 40Mb (as fast as my 100M net seems to go)
[22:40] <len-1304> That is strange
[22:40] <len-1304> I had manually set my wall paper, but not lightdm
[22:41] <len-1304> lightdm just did on it's own I think... unless I reinstalled after the change.
[22:42] <zequence> lightdm should show whatever the user has
[22:42] <len-1304> That may be it then.
[22:42] <len-1304> I had set my user to the new one manually
[23:06] <holstein> zequence: question.. do you have a link to all the changes that are coming?
[23:08] <len-1304> Mixxx still crashes on me, we don't ship, but it gets suggested often
[23:08] <zequence> holstein: Fairly small amount of changes, from our side. https://ubuntustudio.org/2013/03/ubuntu-studio-13-04-beta-1-release-notes/
[23:08] <zequence> holstein: Some new apps, some polish on the menu, etc
[23:08] <holstein> len-1304: graphics driver related?
[23:09] <len-1304> I think so. 
[23:10] <len-1304> It seems to me it worked on my netbook, except it is too big for the screen and so not much use.
[23:10] <zequence> I'm just about to set up bedroom for recording guitar. Have the amp ready. Just need to isolate a bit. It's funny that a cheap Peavy can sound so good, while the Mesa Boogie I have is a lot harder to record
[23:10] <len-1304> My desktop has a bigger screen
[23:17] <holstein> zequence: did squshy PM you?
[23:18] <zequence> holstein: No. No one can, if they aren't registered
[23:18] <holstein> zequence: handy!
[23:18] <holstein> i'l have to set that up
[23:18] <zequence> holstein: It's a freenode thing
[23:19] <holstein> zequence: he pm'd me
[23:19] <holstein> zequence: is there an announce like that for the changes in main ubuntu?
[23:19] <zequence> I put that on after some asshole was PMing me, who I didn't know
[23:20] <holstein> i'l have to get that
[23:21] <zequence> let me see if I can find it
[23:23] <zequence> hmm, it's not in my irssi configs
[23:26] <holstein> zequence: not a biggie.. i can look it up later
[23:27] <zequence> holstein: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[23:28] <zequence> +R (block unidentified)
[23:28] <zequence> That's the one