[09:17] <paranoid> hi , is the Xubuntu interface available for UBUNTUstudio as i don't like the xfce interface
[09:18] <zequence> paranoid: Not sure what you are asking. Xubuntu uses XFCE, and Ubuntu Studio uses a custom version of that
[09:19] <paranoid> with an easy way . i need the desktop to look like ubuntu the original which means a more beautiful desktop
[09:23] <zequence> paranoid: Ok, so you are not wanting to use XFCE, but Unity instead?
[09:23] <zequence> paranoid: you are free to install any desktop system you like
[09:23] <paranoid> tell me how please
[09:24] <zequence> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:25] <tadpole> :D
[09:27] <zequence> paranoid: If you instead want a clean installation of Ubuntu, with Ubuntu Studio packages on top ot if, install Ubuntu first. Then add, for instance, ubuntustudio-audio and linux-lowlatency. Finish by adding yourself to audio group - and you have most of the Ubuntu Studio audio apps and configs
[09:29] <paranoid> oh oh no i need some themes only .
[09:31] <tadpole> ;/
[09:31] <zequence> paranoid: Have a look at xfce-look.org then
[09:32] <zequence> paranoid: Or are you asking us how to change the theme?
[09:33] <zequence> It's one of the system preference apps. Don't remember which one
[09:33] <paranoid> it will be kind of you if u tell me how to change it after istalling the pack which u gave me
[09:33] <tadpole> oh boy
[09:33] <tadpole> :D
[09:34] <tadpole> if you install ubuntu-desktop then your not needing xfce themes.
[09:34] <paranoid> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop this command will do everything r8 ?
[09:34] <paranoid> now it's downloading some kind of files
[09:35] <zequence> paranoid: You can abort with ctrl+c
[09:35] <zequence> If you don't want to install Unity, abort
[09:35] <zequence> First you say you want the desktop look like Ubuntu
[09:35] <zequence> Now you say you want to only change a theme
[09:36] <zequence> Ubuntu does not use XFCE
[09:37] <zequence> paranoid: Have you never used the the "apt-get install" command? It will install applications on your machine
[09:37] <paranoid> i thought that UBUNTU theme  is a theme on XFCE but now i understand
[09:37] <tadpole> Desktop Environments
[09:38] <tadpole> Unity Gnome KDE XFCE LMDE............
[09:38] <zequence> Ubuntu only has a theme on Unity
[09:38] <tadpole> with window managers
[09:38] <paranoid> i onlu use the ubuntu software centre  to get the apps
[09:38] <tadpole> :/
[09:38] <tadpole> Atleast use synaptic
[09:39] <zequence> It's perfectly fine to use the software center
[09:39] <tadpole> to each there own. :)
[09:39] <tadpole> +0
[09:39] <tadpole> err
[09:39] <tadpole> o
[09:39] <paranoid> i am an amateur in LINUX , imagine to use WINDOWS for 10 years and now u r changing everything u learnt
[09:39] <zequence> tadpole: Are you on Ubuntu Studio?
[09:39] <paranoid> aha
[09:40] <tadpole> lilypad 3.5.0-26-lowlatency #28-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 19 10:32:21 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:40] <tadpole> ;/
[09:40] <zequence> tadpole: I mean, the desktop system. I was going to ask you to show the guy where you can change the theme
[09:41] <zequence> I'm not on XFCE myself right now. Maybe in a couple of minutes
[09:41] <paranoid> i know the place i changed it many times before
[09:42] <zequence> paranoid: Ok, So you want to install more themes?
[09:42] <tadpole> Click Menu> Settings> Settings Manager>Appearance>Styles   Pick one.
[09:42] <paranoid> take a look on this site . this themes is available for me r8 ?
[09:42] <paranoid> http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=alpha&page=0&xcontentmode=15x100x420
[09:43] <zequence> paranoid: I think all of those will work, yes
[09:43] <paranoid> thanks god
[09:43] <tadpole> https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[09:43] <paranoid> and thank you man
[09:44] <zequence> np
[14:34] <tjingboem> i have by default Jack 1 running. How can i switch to jack2?
[14:35] <holstein> tjingboem: what operating system?
[14:35] <tjingboem> US12.04
[14:35] <tjingboem> with my new Delta1010
[14:35] <holstein> tjingboem: the hardware is irrelevant
[14:36] <tjingboem> just wanted to say because i'm very ahppy with it :)
[14:37] <holstein> i think its a good value/quality choice
[14:37] <tjingboem> it is reallly
[14:37] <tjingboem> i had an audiophile 2496
[14:37] <tjingboem> but i think this one sounds even better
[14:37] <tjingboem> it has the same chip
[14:38] <holstein> tjingboem: why did you change from jack2?
[14:38] <tjingboem> when i installed US12.04 Jack1 wad the default
[14:38] <tjingboem> don't konow why
[14:39] <tjingboem> perhaps it picked something up because i did format my /home??
[14:39] <holstein> tjingboem: is everything working?
[14:39] <tjingboem> it is working yes
[14:39] <tjingboem> but i like claudia
[14:40] <tjingboem> for patching everything to anything
[14:40] <tjingboem> for example, now i don't have sound in Firefox
[14:40] <holstein> i usually go with "if it aint broke" philosophy.. but if you open synaptic and search "jack" and/or "jackd" you should see the version you have/want
[14:40] <holstein> tjingboem: stop jack, and firefox will work
[14:40] <holstein> with pulse
[14:41] <tjingboem> can i use pulse-jack you think?
[14:41] <holstein> tjingboem: you can do what you like.. but do you need it?
[14:41] <holstein> do you need audio in the browser while running jack?
[14:42] <holstein> it works out of the box with ubuntustudio.. or should
[14:42] <holstein> tjingboem: what would i do? try the live CD, and see if its worth the hassle
[14:42] <tjingboem> i like to be able to record sound from Firefox too
[14:42] <tjingboem> ah, it is a hassle...
[14:42] <holstein> why?
[14:43] <tjingboem> no, your words: " see if its worth the hassle"
[14:43] <holstein> i cant imagine what you would be doing that way that isnt recording something you either, could ask for a copy of, or shouldnt be recording
[14:44] <holstein> sure.. but thats not a hassle. its just recording content that you are not supposed to
[14:44] <holstein> i usually just ask for a copy
[14:44] <tjingboem> my daughter wants some music from youtube clips
[14:44] <holstein> i dont condone copying/stealing.. but there are a lot easier ways (if one were to google) to obtain a copy of youtube audio
[14:45] <holstein> tjingboem: you can email and ask the creator for a copy of the audio.. the youtube agreement is not "copy what you like"..
[14:45] <holstein> im just saying.. i wouldnt let piracy dicate what packages i have installed on my system
[14:46] <tjingboem> okay, thanks for your opinion
[14:46] <tjingboem> but is jack2 etter", perhaps more stable then jack1?
[14:47] <tjingboem> "better"
[14:47] <holstein> tjingboem: btw. thats not opinion.. but we can let that go
[14:47] <holstein> tjingboem: "better" is a matter of opinion
[14:48] <tjingboem> i had KXStudio before
[14:48] <holstein> tjingboem: i wouldnt lose sleep over upgrading to jack2 if things were stable.. unless i needed or wanted jack2
[14:48] <holstein> tjingboem: you can install the kxstudio ppa's if you like
[14:48] <tjingboem> i was used to jack2 and claudia and such
[14:48] <holstein> tjingboem: go for it
[14:48] <holstein> tjingboem: jack2 is in the ubuntustudio repos and the kxstudio ppa's as well
[14:48] <tjingboem> no i already have the PPA from KXStudio
[14:49] <holstein> tjingboem: cool.. you are not using ubuntustudio then
[14:49] <tjingboem> but wondered why jack1 is on my computer - i have read that jack2 is default
[14:49] <holstein> tjingboem: could be any number of reasons, since you have ppa's added
[14:50] <tjingboem> i used the disc form US12.04 version 2 and installed the PPA from KX
[14:50] <holstein> tjingboem: it is default in ubuntu 12.04.. but you are not using that
[14:50] <zequence> tjingboem: jackd2 is default on Ubuntu Studio
[14:50] <holstein> tjingboem: correct.. you can load up a live CD and se that in action
[14:50] <holstein> tjingboem: othewise.. you are not using ubuntustudio 12.04
[14:50] <tjingboem> all right, i will do that - good idea
[14:51] <holstein> what would i do? open synaptic and install what i want.. catch falk and ask about using jack2 in kxstudio.. try jack2 from live CD and see if its worth it (or do my piracy from there, though i dont do piracy anymore)
[14:52] <zequence> I believe kxstudio only has jack2
[14:52] <zequence> He makes a custom build of it, which is not the same as we have
[14:52] <holstein> zequence: i was thinking it could be something like that that is "breaking" the jack2 from our repos, and causing it to drop down
[14:53] <zequence> If you add kxstudio, it may be a bit tricky to revert back to non kxstudio
[14:54] <zequence> Well, for someone not used to doing things like taht
[14:54] <zequence> I think his jack just replaces the Debian/Ubuntu one
[14:54] <zequence> Or, in other words, the kxstudio jack replaces the Debian/Ubuntu jack
[14:54] <holstein> zequence: i think you are correct
[14:56] <zequence> tjingboem: If you want support on kxstudio, there's #kxstudio
[14:57] <tjingboem> i know - thank you
[14:58] <tjingboem> i now realize i use kxstudio...
[20:20] <roverrb> can qmidiroute interface to the desktop manager, allowing midi control of cycling thru virtual desktops?
[20:20] <holstein> roverrb: that im aware of, the desktop manager doesnt do that
[20:21] <holstein> roverrb: i would try looking for, or setting a command or key combo for the DE management, and emulate that with the midi you want to use
[20:21] <len-dt> PD might be the better interface for that.
[20:23] <len-dt> PD = PureData
[22:29] <Squishy> Hi everyone.
[22:30] <zequence> Squishy: Hello there
[22:32] <Squishy> Just wanted to say Hi. I'm new to Linux but I've played around with it before. Ubuntu studio is my first serious install
[22:32] <zequence> Cool
[22:32] <zequence> Which version is it?
[22:32] <zequence> 12.04, 12.10?
[22:33] <zequence> I would either recommend 12.04, or our upcoming release 13.04
[22:33] <zequence> Depends a bit on what you'r planning to do
[22:33] <Squishy> 12.10 i think. I downloaded the latest version using YUMI for windows.
[22:34] <Squishy> 64 bit if it makes any major difference.
[22:34] <zequence> not really
[22:35] <zequence> Here's our beta1 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/13.04/beta-1/
[22:35] <zequence> of 13.04
[22:35] <zequence> Final release next month
[22:36] <Squishy> Yeah I'll not bother with a Beta. I can just about work firefox on Linux distros nevermind anything else lol.
[22:39] <zequence> The beta is just fine
[22:39] <zequence> I'd recommend it over 12.10 anyhow
[22:39] <zequence> There are a couple of bugs in both 12.04 and 12.10 that haven't been straightened out yet
[22:40] <Squishy> Can i update from 12.10 to the beta via terminal?
[22:40] <zequence> Yes, and that's something we're encouraging people to test right now actually
[22:41] <zequence> sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:41] <zequence> If that doesn't work, you can try: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:42] <Squishy> I'm in Scotland by the way. Will this mess up my local settings like keyboard layout/time zone and such?
[22:42] <zequence> No
[22:42] <Squishy> Newbie remember? Sorry.
[22:42] <Squishy> Ok thanks. I'll do that now
[22:42] <zequence> No worries.
[22:43] <Squishy> Didn't work. Used the -d as you said and that one worked
[22:44] <zequence> the -d is for development release, so that makes sense
[22:44] <zequence> Squishy: what kind of graphic card do you have?
[22:45] <Squishy> Radeon something by AMD
[22:45] <zequence> ok. installing proprietary drivers might not work
[22:45] <zequence> If that is important, I'd go for 12.04
[22:46] <zequence> Should be AMD ATI, if it's fairly new
[22:46] <zequence> you could do: lspci | grep VGA
[22:46] <Squishy> Lucky for me i lost the original driver software a long time ago and it's never really bothered me. I'm not a gamer or anything
[22:46] <zequence> Works a bit differently on Linux when it comes to graphic drivers
[22:47] <Squishy> I use this laptop mainly for ripping my dvd collection and encoding video
[22:47] <zequence> There are free, open source drivers for all sorts of graphic cards, but only Intel writes their own free drivers
[22:48] <zequence> The AMD free drivers are farily decent. Actually, both AMD and NVIDIA are good enough for playing 3d games
[22:48] <Squishy> I'll install sysinfo and tell you ina  moment
[22:48] <zequence> lspci works just as well
[22:48] <Squishy> I need to install sysinfo anyway
[22:49] <Squishy> and i have no idea how to get that pipeline in my text
[22:50] <zequence> Squishy: If you encounter any problems doing the upgrade, I'd appreciate if you let me know.
[22:50] <Squishy> used lspci and this is what i got 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Trinity [Radeon HD 7520G]
[22:50] <Squishy> yeah no problems so far but i'll be sure to let you know
[22:52] <Squishy> This is a dual boot with win7 by the way. ubuntu is installed on a 40GB partition. I assume this update wont affect that?
[22:52] <zequence> Anytime you update the kernel, grub will be updated
[22:53] <zequence> Upgrading to a new release is no different
[22:53] <zequence> grub is the Ubuntu boot loader
[22:54] <Squishy> Ok thanks. I'll pick this up soon enough at the moment i'm just sort of swimming in a sea of jargon.
[22:55] <Squishy> Decided to switch over from Windows after considering the stress relieving properties of throwing my windows laptop against the wall and calling it some rather offensive names.
[22:56] <Squishy> 12 crashes in one day (yeah i counted after the 3rd crash) was enough of a push for me.
[22:57] <zequence> Windows can do that to you. When you have problems with Ubuntu though, it feels totally different, cause very often, you can just google it, find out why you have a problem, and do all the plumming yourself to fix it
[22:58] <zequence> Or you ask someone. You may even ask the developer directly in many cases
[22:58] <Squishy> Mmm I'm not big on asking questions. I like to learn myself.
[22:59] <zequence> I should also recommend you to check out #opensourcemusicians, which is the most popular linux audio user channel
[22:59] <zequence> Then you have #jack, #ardour and a few others
[23:00] <zequence> #kxstudio is fairly popular too. It's a OS based on Ubuntu
[23:00] <zequence> Some people add it to Ubuntu Studio
[23:00] <Squishy> Actually just off the top of my head is ubuntu studio suitable for professional audio work straight out the box or would it need a fair bit of tweaking first?
[23:01] <zequence> 13.04 is definately ready
[23:01] <holstein> Squishy: also, it depends on what you do
[23:01] <holstein> Squishy: ardour and JACK are capable.. but not trivial to get running
[23:01] <zequence> Squishy: low latency ready. No configs needed
[23:01] <Squishy> one of my friends runs a recording studio so does a lot of work with audio. He worls mostly with mac but i'll recommend this to him
[23:02] <zequence> !proaudio
[23:02] <holstein> Squishy: i do tracking, mixing, and mastering professionally with these tools.. i could do it from an ubuntustudio live CD
[23:02] <zequence> Squishy: One thing to check out in that case is Ardour 3
[23:02] <zequence> Which is not installed on Ubuntu Studio. It'll come with 13.10
[23:04] <Squishy> almost finished the upgrade. No problems so far, very smooth.
[23:04] <holstein> im running 12.04, and will likely keep my pro audio machine on 12.04
[23:05] <holstein> not that there is anything wrong with the other releases
[23:06] <zequence> 12.04 is LTS, and will be supported for many years. 12.10 will be supported for 1 1/2. 13.04 only for 9 months
[23:06] <zequence> From now on, all non LTS release will only be supported for 9 months
[23:06] <zequence> There's also a possible trend starting where people use the development release - not recommended, but it's more or less as stable as releases
[23:13] <Squishy> Just got asked if i want to enable realtime process priority with jackd
[23:13] <Squishy> I have no idea if i want to do that or not
[23:13] <zequence> Really? Answer yes by all means
[23:14] <zequence> Squishy: Could you check something else. See if you are in audio group, using the command: groups
[23:14] <zequence> Without realtime priority, you can't get reliable operation at lower latencies.
[23:16] <Squishy> where do i use the command groups?
[23:16] <zequence> just in a terminal
[23:16] <zequence> You should get a list of groups you are member of. One of them should be audio
[23:17] <Squishy> No i got this adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[23:17] <zequence> Squishy: This makes me suspect you are not on Ubuntu Studio at all
[23:17] <holstein> yeah.. i would fresh install.. or just use the live cd
[23:17] <zequence> An upgrade would not change those things
[23:18] <zequence> So, that's not the problem here
[23:18] <zequence> I think what you installed in the first place was not UBuntu Studio
[23:18] <Squishy> I downloaded the iso from the website, put it on a flash drive and installed from the flash drive
[23:18] <holstein> Squishy: what iso?
[23:19] <Squishy> I went here http://ubuntustudio.org/download/ and downloaded the 64 bit iso
[23:20] <Squishy> ubuntustudio-12.10-dvd-amd64.iso
[23:20] <zequence> Squishy: You were using Yumi you said. Sure you added the ISO, or you added something else?
[23:20] <zequence> The groups won't change until you reboot
[23:21] <zequence> Did you already do that, btw?
[23:22] <Squishy> YUMI = Your Universal Multiboot Installer. It just let's me have a load of bootable stuff on one flash drive and choose between them. I use it for re-installing windows and keeping a lot of recovery stuff on one flash drive
[23:22] <Squishy> not re-booted yet no. still upgrading
[23:22] <holstein> maybe you chose the wrong one
[23:24] <Squishy> nope. My terminal has my name followed by @Ubuntu-Studio and it's the same when i log in.
[23:24] <Squishy> Not to mention the slideshow and welcome messages during my install all sayign ubuntu-studio
[23:25] <zequence> It's very weird
[23:25] <holstein> Squishy: you made that name at login, though it seems you have ubuntustudio
[23:26] <zequence> Squishy: You'll need to add yourself to audio group, to get realtime privilege: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[23:26] <zequence> "groups" won't show it until you logout and login again
[23:27] <Squishy> ok. I'll do that once the upgrade is finished. should be fairly soon it's been unpacking and processing triggers for a while now
[23:29] <zequence> Squishy: To see which kernel you are on: uname -r
[23:29] <zequence> should be something like 3.8.0-12-lowlatency
[23:30] <Squishy> I'd like to look up to see just how far over my head what you just said was but i'm scared i'll break my neck.
[23:31] <zequence> Squishy: That's the part of your OS that is actually Linux
[23:31] <zequence> The core of it all, the kernel
[23:31] <zequence> There are two kinds for Ubuntu
[23:31] <zequence> linux-generic, and linux-lowlatency
[23:32] <Squishy> Ok.
[23:32] <zequence> linux-lowlatency is the Ubuntu Studio special kernel. It's more or less a clone of linux-generic, but with some tiny changes to make it perform well at lower latencies
[23:33] <zequence> Everything else, all the applications, the window manager, the console, all that, is not Linux
[23:34] <zequence> Ubuntu is really a GNU/Linux OS. GNU is a set of applications, such as bash which you run in the console
[23:34] <Squishy> yeah they are just programs written specifically to interact with the kernel am i right?
[23:35] <zequence> If you ever heard of Richard Stallman. He's the guy who started all of this. then at some point came Linus and wrote a kernel that made the OS complete
[23:35] <zequence> All applications interact with the kernel, really
[23:35] <zequence> But, the kernel itself can't really do anything
[23:35] <Squishy> Stallman...he created the unix kernel and Linus made a clone of that didnt he?
[23:35] <zequence> No, Stallman set out to create a free version of Unix
[23:36] <zequence> And created GNU
[23:36] <Squishy> oh
[23:36] <zequence> There's a GNU kernel as well, called HURD, but after 30 years, they're still working on it
[23:36] <zequence> It's a bit more complicated
[23:37] <zequence> Or, I should say, the kernel can't boot itself. It manages all the programs, and makes sure they all get access to HW, and their share of CPU, etc
[23:38] <zequence> The linux kernel also contains a massive amount of drivers
[23:38] <zequence> That's why when you install Linux, you don't need to install drivers for most common HW. It's all included
[23:40] <Squishy> laptop froze for a moment there
[23:40] <Squishy> but i have this in the terminal Unpacking linux-image-3.8.0-12-lowlatency
[23:41] <zequence> That's the latest linux-lowlatency. You'll want that if you are going to do any kind of live audio
[23:44] <Squishy> Dennis Ritchie. That's the Unix guy i was thinking about
[23:44] <Squishy> That was bugging me
[23:45] <zequence> Yeah, he was one of the authors of the original UNIX
[23:45] <zequence> That, and the C programming language, which basically all modern programming languages are based on
[23:45] <zequence> And not to say, all OSs are written in
[23:46] <Squishy> Yeah, The guy was a legend. Shame Jobs went first. He deserved a lot more media coverage
[23:47] <Squishy> Only reason i know of him was because of a conversation i overheard
[23:50] <zequence> I think Jobs might have introduced the personal computer to the home a bit sooner than it would have otherwise, and some things became norm. In the long run, when computers no longer look anything like they did in the 80s, I think somehow the legacy of Ritchie might be a bit more longlived
[23:51] <zequence> I think of Jobs as a sociopathic fashion geek, but maybe I'm just not getting his genious.
[23:51] <zequence> A relentless businessman too
[23:52] <Squishy> I think of jobs as the manifestation of the sin of hypocrisy.
[23:53] <zequence> Richard Stallman is the father of free software though. He not only started the GNU OS, but also wrote the GPL license, under which the Linux kernel, and so many other applications are licensed under
[23:54] <Squishy> As far as i'm aware macs take free software and slap a proprietary GUI onto them then charge you through the nose to use it.
[23:54] <zequence> OSX has a lot of UNIX and free software in it, yes
[23:54] <zequence> But, not iOS
[23:55] <zequence> OSX uses a version of the BSD kernel, I think. Also, the X window system, which is the same that all Linux based uses
[23:55] <Squishy> Maybe that's just me being Biased. I've never liked apple since i got forced to use it at school and i find a lot of iProduct users to be rather pretentious.
[23:58] <zequence> I have a iBook3 actually. Got it from a friend recently. Installed latest Debian on it. Works ok
[23:59] <zequence> Belongs in a museum by now
[23:59] <Squishy> never even heard of the iBook3 is it new?
[23:59] <Squishy> oh, apparenlty not lol