[00:07] <Hiro220> hey I'm looking for a download for the longterm release where can i find it on the site?
[00:07] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[00:07] <Hiro220> went there and it only gave me 12.10
[00:07] <knome> scroll down.
[00:08] <Hiro220> ... wow I'm dumb...
[00:08] <Hiro220> thank you knome
[00:08] <knome> np
[00:09] <Hiro220> that's actually an interesting idea KDE and Gnome
[00:09] <Hiro220> it would make a very visual os
[00:10] <GermainZ> I actually prefer Compiz to KDE's effects
[00:10] <GermainZ> E17 was pretty cool tho.
[00:10] <Dr^Fets> does it use kt instead of qt and gtk?
[00:10] <Hiro220> i tried compiz a coupleof times it never worked for me
[00:10] <knome> !offtopic
[00:10] <GermainZ> Sorry ;)
[00:11] <Hiro220> well i try it in xubuntu and compiz reuses to work and when i removed it yesterday it rendered my OS inopperable
[00:11] <Hiro220> *refuses
[00:12] <knome> Hiro220, compiz isn't supported on xubuntu
[00:12] <GermainZ> I use Compiz just fine.
[00:12] <Hiro220> i didnt know that
[00:12] <GermainZ> And I have all the eye candy enabled, too.
[00:13] <Hiro220> well you're a lucky ducky then
[00:13] <knome> there's no reason why it wouldn't work... but you are on your own :)
[00:13] <GermainZ> Did you enable OpenGL in Compiz' settings?
[00:13] <Hiro220> yes
[00:13] <GermainZ> (Would this be better suited in a PM?)
[00:13] <Hiro220> i googled what i needed to do and found out i already did it all
[00:14] <GermainZ> How didn't it work exactly?
[00:14] <Hiro220> i don't know how to pm in xchat
[00:14] <knome> GermainZ, on the channel is fine
[00:14] <GermainZ> Alright
[00:14] <Hiro220> well, it just wouldn't do anything
[00:14] <GermainZ> Did it crash or just lock your desktop up?
[00:15] <Hiro220> i tried keyboard combinations and everything
[00:15] <Hiro220> no compiz just refued to take commands
[00:15] <Hiro220> no visuals
[00:15] <GermainZ> compiz --replace ?
[00:16] <Hiro220> that removed the bar on the top of my windows and putting in the startup removed my panels
[00:16] <GermainZ> Enable Windows Decorations.
[00:16] <Hiro220> did that
[00:17] <Hiro220> oh i'm running the Nvidia x server program
[00:17] <GermainZ> Just reloading the window manager usually fixes things
[00:17] <GermainZ> Same.
[00:17] <Hiro220> did that too
[00:17] <GermainZ> Weird... Which version did you use?
[00:17] <Hiro220> well i've got it on separate x thing with xer-thingie on to run minecraft
[00:18] <Hiro220> 304 on Nvidia
[00:18] <GermainZ> Of Compiz?
[00:18] <Hiro220> 3.1.2
[00:19] <GermainZ> That's impossible.
[00:19] <Hiro220> but i've had the problem with other versions too
[00:19] <GermainZ> 0.9.8.6 is the latest release, if I'm not mistaken.
[00:19] <Hiro220> wait
[00:19] <Hiro220> i'm thinking of cairo
[00:19] <GermainZ> cairo-compmgr?
[00:19] <Hiro220> that stupid dock
[00:20] <GermainZ> I use it.
[00:20] <GermainZ> (It's not stupid)
[00:20] <Hiro220> and i got compiz from the software center
[00:21] <Hiro220> and i can't use cairo because i refuse to put gnome into my computer
[00:21] <GermainZ> :| I've been using cairo-dock for a few months now
[00:22] <Hiro220> good for you, i'm glad compiz and cairo likes you
[00:22] <GermainZ> ;)
[00:23] <Hiro220> as for me, i said "screw it it's xubuntu sessions for me"
[00:23] <GermainZ> I only had one lock up
[00:24] <Hiro220> well i've had several in ubuntu and in xubuntu it doesn't at all
[00:24] <Hiro220> *work
[00:25] <Hiro220> i don't know what i'm dong wrong
[00:25] <GermainZ> The first tut I followed was on the Ubuntu wiki
[00:26] <GermainZ> I suppose you tried that already?
[00:26] <Hiro220> i went to six different pages
[00:26] <Hiro220> maybe it's my desktop
[00:27] <Hiro220> it's a compaq presario
[00:27] <GermainZ> Isn't that a laptop?
[00:27] <Hiro220> thats what is says on the front
[00:28] <GermainZ> Well I have a lappy, nvidia gt540m, using 304 as well, and it runs great.
[00:28] <Hiro220> well i'm running a GeForce 7300LE
[00:29] <GermainZ> That's old, isn't it?
[00:29] <Hiro220> yup
[00:29] <GermainZ> Could be why
[00:29] <Hiro220> so is my desktop
[00:30] <Hiro220> but they work they're fast i can use two monitors and play minecraft
[00:32] <Hiro220> strangely, I feel at home here...
[00:32] <GermainZ> Xubuntu?
[00:32] <Hiro220> yup and the xubuntu chat
[00:32] <Hiro220> i use to use windows...
[00:32] <GermainZ> I switched from Windows two months ago or so.
[00:33] <Hiro220> 2 or three years ago
[00:33] <GermainZ> Now I only use it when I need to flash some custom ROM/kernel to my Android.
[00:33] <GermainZ> Can't get my device to work with VMs for some reason.
[00:33] <Hiro220> have you tried a vm through wine
[00:34] <GermainZ> What do you mean?
[00:34] <knome> that's not virtualization, that's emulation
[00:34] <GermainZ> Wine isn't an emulator.
[00:34] <Hiro220> i know let me finish
[00:35] <GermainZ> Tried Heimdall (native Linux app), ODIN (leaked Samsung app that's usually used - Heimdall is an OS alternative) via two different VMs and VM softwares
[00:35] <Hiro220> install a vm program with wine then set up wine so it can see and use it
[00:35] <GermainZ> Why not run a VM instead of running a VM on WINE?
[00:36] <Hiro220> because you cant get it to work with the vm while it's running in linux
[00:36] <GermainZ> It's a problem with the phone being mounted
[00:36] <GermainZ> VirtualBox gives an error, VMPlayer freezes.
[00:37] <GermainZ> Works fine in normal mode, but not in download mode (similar to the phone's bootloader)
[00:37] <Hiro220> well wine can mount it as it would on windows
[00:37] <GermainZ> Didn't try with WINE, it doesn't support drivers anyway.
[00:37] <Hiro220> ah, didn't know it
[00:37] <Hiro220> *that
[00:38] <GermainZ> It's a pain using Windows.
[00:38] <Hiro220> oh yeah
[00:38] <GermainZ> If I don't wait for it to fully boot it has a high chance of just making me wait an extra 10 minutes.
[00:38] <GermainZ> Just to piss me off.
[00:38] <Hiro220> i was using xp before switching
[00:38] <knome> GermainZ, theoretically, some printer drivers for example can be supported, but.... yeah
[00:39] <Hiro220> really, Knome?
[00:39] <GermainZ> Hiro220, http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-8021e00ae87d4fbfb607739af82bdb621b9d9366
[00:39] <GermainZ> I think that clarifies knome's point too
[00:40] <Hiro220> yes it does
[00:40] <Hiro220> thank you
[00:41] <GermainZ> I even got most of my games running on WINE.
[00:41] <GermainZ> It's just great.
[00:41] <Hiro220> oh yeah, just can't get steam to gel
[00:41] <GermainZ> Never used Steam :)
[00:42] <Hiro220> steam is for linux too now
[00:42] <GermainZ> I read about it
[00:42] <GermainZ> Might try TF2
[00:42] <Hiro220> definnately go for it
[00:42] <knome> don't want to repeat, but !offtopic
[00:43] <Hiro220> TF2 is a good name
[00:43] <GermainZ> >.> Sorry.
[00:43] <knome> it's even more relaxed there
[00:43] <Hiro220> *game
[00:43] <Hiro220> its cool knome i think steam counts as on topic since it's for linux gaming and can work on xubuntu
[00:44] <GermainZ> At the same time this is a support channel
[00:44] <knome> Hiro220, yes, but this is a support channel, not "anything about linux"
[00:45] <Hiro220> true true
[00:45] <Hiro220> i'm sorry
[00:45] <Hiro220> oh hey, imagewriter is finished
[00:46] <Hiro220> thanks, you guys, i always learn something coming here and get most of my questions answered
[01:22] <xubuntu276> hi guys im new to this OS can i install it without usb or cd?
[02:13] <madam> Did an update of 12.10 security patches and fixes... refuses to reboot. Hangs at the "starting timidity++ Alsa midi emulation" part.----Recovery menu: (file system state: read only) - so how do I get around the hang?----- Can I edit out the problem code and just bypass it?
[02:13] <madam> ------If so how?----Any ideas on the subject?
[02:17] <Myrtti> please don't crosspost, it makes it difficult to help you if you're trying several suggestions out at the same time
[02:18] <madam> Keep your opinions top your self.
[02:19] <madam> know it all.
[02:20] <Myrtti> it's not an opinion, it's a kind request with explanation why it's a bad idea to crosspost
[02:21] <madam> Myrtti- do you words "fuck off"mean anything to you?
[02:21] <IdleOne> :)
[02:32] <martian> Hey folks, when I first boot up this 12.10 system (which has an ssd) and attempt to open thunar, there is a ~20 second delay. It will only happen once after booting. Any idea how I could diagnoze what is causing the delay?
[03:13] <xubuntu947> Hello
[04:40] <xubuntu750> fdf
[04:40] <xubuntu750> df
[04:40] <xubuntu750> df
[04:40] <xubuntu750> hello
[06:56] <heoyea> martian: post #6 http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=24391
[07:34] <XATRIX> Hi, how can i redefine default app to open all image files ? My firefox wants to open .png with GIMP
[07:34] <XATRIX> It's so heavy just to view multiple images
[07:40] <XATRIX> Just for example, i have gThumb, but i can't choose it as a default app to open images when i click hyperlink on firefox
[08:39] <XATRIX> And i have an issue sometimes
[08:39] <XATRIX> Sometimes xubuntu acts pretty strange
[08:40] <XATRIX> I can ping host, but i can't ssh/ftp/http - nothing at all
[08:40] <XATRIX> It ends after a while, but i experience this issue quite often
[09:32] <laite> XATRIX: for default app: you can (at least) select some image file in thunar, right click and select open with -> open with another application... and select 'use this for default for this file'
[09:33] <XATRIX> laite: yea thanks
[09:33] <laite> unfortunately this is only for one extension type, so you have to do this separately for jpg, png etc. :/
[09:34] <laite> I'd thought there is a better way but couldn't think of any
[09:57] <Aknot> Why does web browsing suck on linux? With all firefox, opera and chromium some text on some sites is insanely small. And if you raise the font size it only changes the "normal" fonts, not the ones that are insanely small.
[09:58] <Aknot> And mouse wheel scrolling is so slow, especially in opera. Changing the speed doesnt even affect it
[10:02] <TheSheep> Aknot: did you mess with fonts on your system?
[10:02] <Aknot> thesheep no
[10:02] <Aknot> ive had this with all 3 browsers and many distros which ive tried
[10:03] <Aknot> its not on every site but on some
[10:09] <TheSheep> Aknot: can you give me an exmaple?
[10:09] <TheSheep> example
[10:09] <Aknot> sec
[10:10] <Aknot> http://www.riemurasia.net/kuva/Beer/117451c5
[10:10] <Aknot> look at the words under "Riemurasia Kysyy"
[10:14] <TheSheep> Aknot: that looks fine for me
[10:14] <Aknot> look at the ballot questions
[10:14] <knome> Aknot, please recheck your attitude...
[10:15] <Aknot> they are so tiny compared to rest of text on the site
[10:15] <TheSheep> Aknot: the fonts it uses are "Verdana, Arial, sans-serif", so you may want to check if you don't have any broken fonts installed that would claim to be Verdana or Arial, and that your sans-serif font is resonable in your browser settings
[10:15] <knome> you can set a minimum font size from firefox preferences at least, though
[10:15] <Aknot> i know but if i raise the fonts the normal fonts become bigger also
[10:15] <TheSheep> Aknot: well, the designer of that webpage specified that they are supposed to be 9 pixels high
[10:16] <TheSheep> Aknot: there is a "font-size: 9px;" line in that webpage's css
[10:16] <Aknot> on windows on that same site the fonts look fine
[10:16] <TheSheep> Aknot: maybe you have minimal font size configured in the windows browser? try setting it on your linux browser too
[10:17] <Aknot> actually this isnt big problem, the big problem is the slow scrolling
[10:18] <TheSheep> Aknot: what video card do you have?
[10:18] <Aknot> hd 5770
[10:18] <TheSheep> Aknot: and what drivers do you use? the default or the binary ones?
[10:19] <Aknot> tried both, both have slow scrolling
[10:19] <knome> disabling smooth scrolling should help
[10:24] <Aknot> ive done that also
[13:19] <xubuntu640> hello ya'll. any idea why the pointer (no trackpad/mouse) will not work on a fujitsu?
[13:20] <knome> xubuntu640, have you searched if your fujitsu model is supposed to be supported?
[13:20] <knome> xubuntu640, it's possible that some touchpads/hardware won't work out of the box
[13:24] <xubuntu640> hello knome. i checked the literature, and is outdated, debian supported it, and so does debian
[13:25] <xubuntu640> right now im in terminal xinput --list detects it
[13:32] <xubuntu640> does anyone knows what: "$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i mouse" is
[13:32] <knome> xubuntu640, it looks for mentions about mouse in the Xorg log
[13:33] <xubuntu640> im trying to enter it on terminal and cant find the symbol for the icon L ,l, I,i
[13:33] <xubuntu640> between .log and grep, help
[13:33] <knome> that's pipe
[13:34] <knome> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-make-a-pipe-symbol-348673/
[13:34] <xubuntu640> ? the l, L, i, I lookd different when i type them, how do i type pipe?
[13:34] <xubuntu640> hey great
[15:30] <xubuntu136> pointer device/mouse/trackpad not working, can anyone help?
[15:31] <xubuntu136> fujitsu lifebook, p2110 no  trackpad, xubuuntu 12.04
[15:31] <holstein> !mouse
[15:31] <xubuntu136> no, no mouse
[15:31] <holstein> xubuntu136: relax.. im just looking for links to help you with
[15:32] <holstein> xubuntu136: i, and likely no other volunteer here will have your actual hardware, so we will just need to troubleshoot.. cheers!
[15:32] <xubuntu136> i did some research, i need to debug with evetest, but is not found
[15:32] <holstein> xubuntu136: have you upgraded since the install? did it ever work?
[15:32] <xubuntu136> great holstein thanks
[15:33] <xubuntu136> cheers, thank you much
[15:33] <xubuntu136> well long story, ubuntu 11.10 worked, crashed when updating, xubuntu 12.04 lite/ mini was recomended
[15:34] <holstein> xubuntu136: does the touchpad work from a 12.04 live CD?
[15:34] <xubuntu136> no it does not
[15:34] <holstein> xubuntu136: where did you get the iso you installed with?
[15:34] <xubuntu136> i tried that, and the recovery also
[15:35] <xubuntu136> from the website
[15:35] <xubuntu136> i hav to look up
[15:36] <holstein> !minimal
[15:36] <holstein> ^^ that one?
[15:37] <xubuntu136> i think is not those. i might have actually downloaded the 32 bit, alternate version
[15:38] <xubuntu136> when i reboot i get 6 boot options, 2 ubuntu 1 xubuntu and their 3 recovery
[15:38] <xubuntu136> i also have a ! exclamation orange, top right, message was one application no good
[15:39] <holstein> xubuntu136: what would i do? upgrade.. and test with the current update version..
[15:39] <xubuntu136> this link https://wiki.edubuntu.org/X/Config/Input shows a way to debug
[15:39] <holstein> xubuntu136: in a terminal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[15:39] <xubuntu136> hold on
[15:39] <holstein> xubuntu136: then, i would just try live CD's and see if anything "just works"
[15:41] <xubuntu136> ok sudo apt-get update gives me W: failed to fetch....
[15:43] <xubuntu136> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade gives: 0 upgraded, 0 installed...
[15:44] <holstein> !paste | xubuntu136 run just sudo apt-get update and paste that for me
[15:45] <xubuntu136> is in another laptop not here, i cant paste
[15:46] <holstein> xubuntu136: you'll need to fix those errors
[15:46] <holstein> xubuntu136: i would just skip to trying some live CD's then.. if 12.10 works, just fresh install it
[15:46] <xubuntu136> W: some updates failed to download. they have been ignored, or old ones used instead
[15:47] <holstein> xubuntu136: that could be due to a number of issues.. all of which can cause system instability
[15:47] <xubuntu136> i have the 12.04 live disk. i go into fix a borken system but still no mouse
[15:47] <holstein> xubuntu136: i would try the *actual* desktop cd's.. you might have downloaded something that is not officially ubuntu
[15:48] <xubuntu136> it is not a mouse or trackpad is a pointer thingi, like the eraser tip on a pencil?
[15:48] <holstein> xubuntu136: im familiar.. i would troubleshoot the packaging issue you have, and go from there
[15:48] <xubuntu136> it looks like xubuntu. this is the one disk that i got working
[15:48] <holstein> xubuntu136: is the machine online?
[15:49] <xubuntu136> im kind of new here, well it should be
[15:49] <holstein> xubuntu136: you didnt download xubuntu though. you downloaded a minimal cd
[15:50] <xubuntu136> wait. i actually downloaded xubuntu 12.04. the minimal i did not use
[15:50] <holstein> xubuntu136: which, is fine.. unless you didnt get an official ubuntu image
[15:50] <holstein> xubuntu136: ok.. so, is the machine online?
[15:50] <xubuntu136> this is xubuntu 12.04 alternate
[15:50] <holstein> xubuntu136: is it online?
[15:51] <xubuntu136> im not sure, it asked for the wifi and password, but i have that orange ! mark where i think the wifi should go
[15:51] <holstein> xubuntu136: plug it in wired
[15:51] <holstein> xubuntu136: get the machine online, and run the commands i gave you above
[15:51] <xubuntu136> hold on let me see if i got a cable
[15:51] <holstein> sudo apt-get install && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:53] <xubuntu136> ok is wired
[15:53] <xubuntu136> yey connection established
[15:54] <xubuntu136> calculating reading.... 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed 0 not upgraded
[15:55] <xubuntu136> same thing on second one
[16:00] <nick07> our notebook with xubuntu doesnt like the 'shared' network. Get stuck copying files and does not load thumbnails or just 1 and hangs
[16:01] <nick07> ftp tranfer works great
[16:01] <nick07> any idea how to solve this?
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntu136: run sudo apt-get update
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntu136: what is the output?
[16:06] <nick07> system is up-to-date
[16:06] <xubuntu136> hi i did 0 updated
[16:06] <nick07> 0 new packages update
[16:06] <holstein> nick07: what was for xubuntu136
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntu136: open a terminal, and run this "sudo apt-get update" and pastebin the output
[16:07] <xubuntu136> 0 upgraded 0 installed 0 to remove 0 not upgraded
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntu136: no error messages?
[16:07] <xubuntu136> no error
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntu136: so, you are up to date then
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntu136: i would be looking into if the harware is functional.. did it work with another operating system? have you checked the bois?
[16:08] <holstein> bios*
[16:08] <xubuntu136> it did worded before.
[16:08] <holstein> !samba | nick07 i dont use samba.. but i usually just use ssh from windows (if i need to move something)
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntu136: when?
[16:09] <xubuntu136> with 11.10
[16:10] <holstein> xubuntu136: i would run the 11.10 live CD, and see what module is supporting that hardware. then i would look for a backport to add that support to 12.04/12.10
[16:10] <nick07> i dont use windows for the sharing, it is a xubuntu and a freenas server
[16:11] <holstein> nick07: so, ftp works.. what is not working then?
[16:11] <xubuntu136> the 11.10 crashed when upgrading im afraid theyr deleted
[16:11] <holstein> xubuntu136: i would load up the 11.10 live CD you used to install from and see what module is supporting that hardware
[16:11] <nick07> folder sharing, coppying stops after 1 or 2 files, it just hangs.. thumbnail doesnt load, ehm just 1 or 2 and then stops loading thumnails in folders
[16:12] <xubuntu136> i got the laptop with 11.10 but no disk
[16:12] <holstein> nick07: sharing via what?
[16:12] <xubuntu136> but i will look for that module
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu136: you can download 11.10 if you like.. if it worked, then having that actually working from a live CD would be helpful
[16:13] <nick07> i think it is nautilus in xubuntu
[16:13] <holstein> nick07: nautilus is a filemanager.. what are you using to try and share?
[16:13] <holstein> nick07: if ftp is working, what is failing? samba? ssh?
[16:15] <nick07> it think i share the files on the freenas through cifs?
[16:15] <xubuntu136> there is a link that tells me is a bug, and how to fix it, i need evestest? which is not found
[16:16] <holstein> nick07: just confirm what is not working for you, and a volunteer can help, likely
[16:16] <holstein> xubuntu136: share the list.. i doubt this is a bug.. its likely been removed from the kernel
[16:16] <holstein> xubuntu136: share the link*
[16:18] <nick07> to begin, the thumbnails doesnt load, but it is enabled..
[16:19] <holstein> nick07: sure. enabled in what?
[16:19] <holstein> nick07: server side? via what?
[16:19] <holstein> nick07: i would consider just doing ssh shares from the server
[16:19] <holstein> !ssh
[16:19] <nick07> in file manager, load thumnails not only local
[16:19] <nick07> just learned something, i hope
[16:20] <holstein> nick07: in thunar?
[16:20] <holstein> !info gigolo
[16:20] <nick07> can i browse shared folder through ssh?
[16:20] <holstein> nick07: if the server is sharing via ssh.. then you mount the ssh share and brwoser via whatever file mnager you choose
[16:21] <holstein> nick07: how are you connecting to the server? how is the server sharing?
[16:22] <nick07> best way for us is in xubuntu to go to network -> freenas -> see the folder and share
[16:24] <holstein> nick07: i use gigolo .. but i usually just use ssh server-side
[16:25] <nick07> ah, and you see thumbnails if you connect through ssh?
[16:25] <holstein> nick07: you could be able to use the gigolo GUI to connect to samba, ssh, ftp.. whatever.. and mount them so you can see them through whatever filemanager
[16:25] <holstein> nick07: i dont know that i have ever cared to notice..
[16:26] <nick07> i can connect gigolo to ftp to see the thumbs?
[16:27] <holstein> nick07: i havent personally ever cared to check for thumbnails.. but gigolo is a GUI to mount shares..
[16:27] <nick07> thx, i will check it out
[16:33] <holstein> nick07: fire up gigolo, and connect.. should take about 40 seconds to "check it out"
[16:34] <nick07> yep works.. thanks
[16:36] <xubuntu136> holstein https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
[16:51] <holstein> nick07: do you get thumbnails like you want that way?
[16:52] <holstein> xubuntu136: i think you are dealing with a different issue.. i think you are dealing with device support being pulled from the kernel
[16:52] <holstein> xubuntu136: i dont think you have a bug with the kernel.. i think its just been removed
[16:52] <xubuntu136> mm ok... help
[16:52] <xubuntu136> please
[16:53] <xubuntu136> im trying with an usb wireless mouse still nothing
[16:54] <xubuntu136> when i try to do the evtest it shows not found
[16:55] <holstein> xubuntu136: have you tested the wireless mouse on another machine to make sure its functioning properly? have you tested usb?
[16:55] <xubuntu136> yes it does is a plug n play
[16:55] <holstein> xubuntu136: what does that mean?
[16:56] <holstein> xubuntu136: "plug n play"?
[16:56] <xubuntu136> i suspect that the buttons dont work ether
[16:56] <holstein> what buttons?
[16:56] <holstein> xubuntu136: does USB work?
[16:56] <holstein> and doesn the usb mouse work on another machine?
[16:56] <xubuntu136> that no software required, just plug it into any wondos and would work
[16:56] <holstein> xubuntu136: so, it works in windows? normally? correct?
[16:57] <xubuntu136> well the left right click
[16:57] <holstein> xubuntu136: it, being the usb mouse?
[16:57] <holstein> xubuntu136: what?
[16:57] <holstein> xubuntu136: lets start fresh.. right now
[16:57] <xubuntu136> yes
[16:57] <xubuntu136> yes mouse works in other computer
[16:57] <holstein> xubuntu136: does the USB mouse work as expected in windows?
[16:57] <holstein> ok
[16:57] <holstein> xubuntu136: does USB work in the xubuntu installation?
[16:57] <holstein> you have use a USB stick? or other USB device?
[16:58] <xubuntu136> usb wireles plug and play mouse works on other computers
[16:58] <holstein> xubuntu136: plug and play is something to do with windows?
[16:59] <holstein> xubuntu136: windows support is *totally* irrelevant in linux
[16:59] <xubuntu136> the usb port in the laptop has power
[16:59] <holstein> xubuntu136: the vendor is always welcome and encouraged to support linux, but sometimes, the devices dont/cant work
[16:59] <xubuntu136> mouse lights up/ workd but cursor doenst move
[16:59] <holstein> xubuntu136: power would work if you had no os on the machine
[16:59] <holstein> xubuntu136: do you have a USB stick?
[17:00] <xubuntu136> i dont think i do
[17:01] <holstein> xubuntu136: plug in the mouse, and open a terminal and run "lsusb"
[17:01] <holstein> !paste
[17:02] <xubuntu136> ok. bus 001device 001 id 1d6b:001 linux foundation 1.1 root hub
[17:03] <xubuntu136> bus 001 device 003: id 04f2:0210 chicony electronics co. ltd
[17:03] <holstein> !paste
[17:03] <holstein> xubuntu136: use a pastebin
[17:03] <holstein> unless that is all
[17:03] <xubuntu136> you mean paste copy. is a different computer
[17:04] <holstein> xubuntu136: im asking you to open a terminal.. run the command "lsusb", without the quotes.. then, copy and paste that to a pastebin.. and give me the link to the pastebin
[17:04] <xubuntu136> is a mistery. question, could i get to applications from terminal
[17:04] <holstein> xubuntu136: what is a mystery?
[17:04] <holstein> xubuntu136: what applications?
[17:04] <xubuntu136> or with the keyboard keys, i read that i could activate the mouse or trackpad
[17:05] <holstein> xubuntu136: correct.. thats what i menat when i said "check the bios and function keys" earlier
[17:05] <holstein> meant*
[17:05] <xubuntu136> i run lsubs, the result is what i typed above
[17:05] <holstein> xubuntu136: you should see a keyboard shortcut specific to that device..
[17:05] <xubuntu136> device 001 and device 003
[17:06] <holstein> xubuntu136: what would you like to troubleshoot?
[17:07] <xubuntu136> ? not following. ok i disconected mouse typed lsusb
[17:08] <xubuntu136> got device 001 linux foundation 1.1 root hub
[17:08] <holstein> xubuntu136: we are discussing several things.. your touchpad, usb, and some new mouse.. and maybe keyboard shortcuts. what would you like to look at?
[17:08] <holstein> xubuntu136: if 11.10 works, i might just install that, and use it
[17:08] <xubuntu136> i plug mouse to usb type lsusb and get also device 003
[17:09] <holstein> xubuntu136: correct.. i dont see that mouse.. so is that the mouse that is not supported? or the usb?.. and i can help troubleshoot further, but where would you like to go?
[17:09] <xubuntu136> oh ok. how could i enter applications from a computer with no mouse?
[17:09] <holstein> xubuntu136: i use kupfer.. or gnome-do
[17:09] <holstein> !info kuper
[17:10] <xubuntu136> the mouse is there. device 003 chiconey electronics
[17:10] <holstein> !info kupfer
[17:10] <holstein> xubuntu136: do you have access to another mouse? *any* usb mouse?
[17:10] <xubuntu136> mm ok, so i type... info kupfer?
[17:11] <xubuntu136> no all other mice are old cable style, no outlet for them
[17:11] <holstein> xubuntu136: i have several USB mice that i got for free to $3 us
[17:11] <holstein> xubuntu136: you can read about kupfer there, and decide if you want/need it
[17:12] <holstein> i would want a mouse, and we still dont know why niether of your devices are working
[17:12] <xubuntu136> :) funy.
[17:12] <holstein> xubuntu136: funny?
[17:12] <holstein> xubuntu136: what would i do? load up a 12.10/12.04 live CD and test
[17:12] <xubuntu136> well i cannot golooking form mice right now. pretty sure this one works
[17:13] <xubuntu136> i have the live disk, is in.
[17:13] <xubuntu136> i booted from hdd
[17:13] <xubuntu136> how would you test
[17:13] <holstein> xubuntu136: pretty sure? you said it worked.. correct?
[17:13] <xubuntu136> yes it works
[17:14] <xubuntu136> it works in other pcs, and notebook detects and powers it
[17:14] <holstein> xubuntu136: i would try other usb ports.. i would test the batteries
[17:14] <xubuntu136> in windows, with SUPER key you can open start+programs+devices and so on
[17:14] <xubuntu136> anything like that with xubuntu
[17:15] <xubuntu136> and obscure key combo that would take me to programs or applications?
[17:15] <holstein> xubuntu136: sure.. lspci list. there are hardware managers/lists
[17:15] <holstein> xubuntu136: kupfer provides that for me
[17:15] <holstein> xubuntu136: or gnome-do
[17:15] <xubuntu136> i tried both usb ports, thing powers up, batteries ok
[17:16] <holstein> xubuntu136: i would want a mouse.. and you can have a mouse too
[17:16] <xubuntu136> mmm well. to get to terminal i press SUPER and t
[17:16] <xubuntu136> really funny :)
[17:16] <holstein> sudo apt-get install kupfer
[17:16] <holstein> xubuntu136: what is funny?
[17:17] <xubuntu136> ok wait a sec let me see
[17:17] <holstein> you will want a mouse..
[17:17] <xubuntu136> i have a mouse
[17:17] <xubuntu136> a good one
[17:17] <holstein> xubuntu136: you will want to get it working in xubuntu*
[17:17] <xubuntu136> i want it to work or the trackpad anything
[17:17] <xubuntu136> yes
[17:17] <xubuntu136> ok wait
[17:17] <holstein> xubuntu136: sure.. and we can choose one, and work on that
[17:18] <xubuntu136> E:unable to locate kupfer
[17:19] <holstein> xubuntu136: i dont think that machie is online.. or getting upgrades
[17:19] <xubuntu136> i got the same with evtest, E:unable to locate kupfer
[17:19] <holstein> xubuntu136:right..
[17:19] <xubuntu136> well it said it was, when i wired it in
[17:19] <holstein> xubuntu136: open a terminal.. and run "ping -c 8 google.com"
[17:19] <holstein> it?
[17:19] <holstein> xubuntu136: what is the output of the above ping command?
[17:20] <holstein> 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7011ms is what im looking for
[17:20] <xubuntu136> bad number of packets to transmit
[17:20] <holstein> xubuntu136: ping *anything*
[17:20] <xubuntu136> when in connected with wire to the router
[17:20] <holstein> xubuntu136: test your connection.. however you want to do that
[17:21] <nick07> yes, it works!!
[17:21] <xubuntu136> mmm i dont like this.i typed: "ping anything"
[17:21] <holstein> nick07: cheers.. if that comes up in the future, about thumbnails, i'll know
[17:22] <xubuntu136> there is a nonstoping: 64 bytes from anything (67.63..........
[17:22] <holstein> xubuntu136: control+c will top
[17:22] <holstein> stop*
[17:22] <xubuntu136> icmp_req...................
[17:22] <holstein> ping -c 8 google.com
[17:22] <xubuntu136> great. thanks im guessing im online
[17:23] <holstein> xubuntu136: lets *not* guess.. run that command.. "ping -c 8 google.com".. what is the output? 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss ?
[17:23] <xubuntu136> ok is good same things
[17:23] <holstein> xubuntu136: run this.. sudo apt-get update
[17:24] <xubuntu136> yes 64 bytes from google.com...............
[17:24] <xubuntu136> wow
[17:24] <xubuntu136> working
[17:25] <xubuntu136> lots of pacakges
[17:25] <holstein> then.. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:25] <xubuntu136> 100% 33 packages bzip2 0 B
[17:25] <holstein> xubuntu136: then, reboot, after taking all upgrades and test
[17:25] <xubuntu136> no yet
[17:25] <holstein> xubuntu136: no yet?
[17:25] <xubuntu136> reading package list
[17:26] <xubuntu136> done
[17:26] <holstein> xubuntu136: correct.. *after* that.. run this *exact* command.. "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[17:26] <holstein> *then*, reboot, and test...
[17:27] <xubuntu136> ok working
[17:27] <xubuntu136> continue  y/n im guesing y
[17:28] <xubuntu136> a mesage showed top right updates available before
[17:28] <holstein> xubuntu136: you will need to continue in order to recieve the upgrades that i am suggesting you take
[17:28] <xubuntu136> ok im listening
[17:28] <holstein> xubuntu136: ignore the other message
[17:28] <holstein> xubuntu136: dont open any other package managers
[17:29] <xubuntu136> man, you are good.
[17:31] <holstein> xubuntu136: we do what we can here... hopefully you will get an upgrade that will provide/fix support for one of your pointing devices
[17:31] <xubuntu136> it says done.
[17:31] <holstein> xubuntu136: so, reboot and test
[17:31] <xubuntu136> mm rebbot+enter?
[17:31] <holstein> xubuntu136: sudo reboot will work
[17:32] <xubuntu136> wait, unpaking replacements...
[17:33] <holstein> xubuntu136: it should take a while... the upgrades
[17:34] <xubuntu136> ok then sudo reboot, got it. i thank you. i really apreciate this.
[17:37] <xubuntu136> holstein i got to go to work, but thanks again, i posted in ubuntufourms as yellowmans :)
[17:38] <holstein> xubuntu136: test after the upgrade, and come back when you want
[17:38] <holstein> cheers
[17:39] <xubuntu136> i will talk to you later
[17:53] <servantes> Hey guys, I am running xubuntu on an old AMD64 with 1GB of ram. The system can use SATA drives, but the HDD is currently on ATA/IDE. The machine runs completely fine with one exception, when running apt/dpkg the computer slows down to a complete crawl, where everything lags seconds behind, typing, mouse gestures, etc
[17:53] <servantes> Might there be some way to remedy this?
[17:53] <servantes> I've never seen it lag so bad doing other intensive tasks, it is a little odd
[17:54] <servantes> But it's deffinitely eating up the HDD i/O running apt/dpkg
[17:57] <holstein> i would just use the hard drive more carefully
[17:58] <servantes> carefully?
[17:58] <servantes> I am completely idle, upgrading or even installing a single package kills the system
[17:58] <servantes> How much more "careful" can I be?
[17:59] <servantes> Only thing running is a terminal
[17:59] <holstein> running apt is not idle.. thats where i read that you are having the issues.. is that not true?
[17:59] <servantes> im saying running apt while idle
[17:59] <servantes> ie. not doing anything else
[18:00] <servantes> And yes, apt and dpkg is what slows the system to a halt. Kinda hard to a use a distro without any way to install or update applications
[18:00] <holstein> servantes: i would probably just choose to do package management when that behavior would be acceptable.. i might use something like nmon via ssh to check and see wht is going on with the disk IO
[18:00] <servantes> eh alright
[18:01] <holstein> servantes: you can always use tty to do package managment.. i might also look at cat /proc/interrupts
[18:01] <servantes> ofc, I only use tty to do package management
[18:01] <servantes> I never use GUI
[18:02] <holstein> i suppose there could be something with a hard disk controller sharing irq with graphics
[18:02] <servantes> yup
[18:02] <holstein> i might try other kernels.. even if from a live CD
[18:02] <freedomrun> servantes what is the chipset?
[18:02] <servantes> Crappy ATI IGP, Xpress 200
[18:03] <servantes> ie X300 GFX
[18:03] <freedomrun> nice
[18:03] <freedomrun> cpu?
[18:03] <servantes> AMD64 3500+
[18:03] <freedomrun> ok
[18:03] <servantes> its the slowest machine I have, but atm the only machine
[18:03] <servantes> Im getting a free Thinkpad T500 tomorrow. 8GB of ram, Core2Duo 2.53Ghz
[18:04] <freedomrun> do you have non-free firmwares and xubuntu-restricted extras installed?
[18:04] <servantes> nah, this doesnt use any nonfree firmware
[18:04] <servantes> it uses the radeon driver
[18:04] <servantes> But I do have extras installed
[18:04] <freedomrun> that is fine
[18:04] <servantes> yup
[18:04] <servantes> I was thinking of using ionice or something on the process
[18:04] <servantes> To back it down a bit
[18:05] <servantes> I forgot the specific nice app for HDD i/o
[18:05] <freedomrun> install nonfree too just for case and install microcode fix to se if it shows the differences
[18:05] <servantes> microcode fix?
[18:05] <freedomrun> yep
[18:05] <servantes> what pkg?
[18:06] <freedomrun> microcode in your case sudo apt-get install amd64-microcode
[18:06] <servantes> k
[18:06] <freedomrun> but that will require reboot
[18:06] <servantes> and what nonfree firmware package?
[18:06] <servantes> thats fine
[18:07] <freedomrun> what partition type u have there?
[18:07] <servantes> I was honestly considering installing a custom kernel
[18:07] <servantes> btrfs and ext4 /boot
[18:07] <freedomrun> well there you go
[18:07] <servantes> hmm?
[18:08] <freedomrun> btrfs could be an problem
[18:08] <servantes> ext4 for everything was equally as slow
[18:08] <freedomrun> what HD?
[18:08] <servantes> btrfs is generally faster
[18:08] <servantes> Its a ATA100, as I said above
[18:08] <freedomrun> yes if you have RAM buffers act
[18:08] <servantes> my ram isnt being all used actually
[18:08] <holstein> yeah.. i would try and test without btrfs and see
[18:08] <freedomrun> no I mean the plate not the perifery
[18:08] <servantes> k
[18:08] <servantes> I think this drive has 8MB cache
[18:09] <servantes> tho it may only 2
[18:09] <freedomrun> eg Seagate (model)
[18:09] <freedomrun> ??
[18:09] <servantes> Its a maxtor
[18:09] <servantes> 200GB
[18:10] <servantes> Curious, do you think an install onto SATA drive hooked up via USB2.0 may be faster?
[18:10] <freedomrun> have you checked the dmesg? what comes back from: uname -a?
[18:10] <servantes> I nnoticed the install on my flash drive was pretty speedy
[18:10] <servantes> Linux shitpaq 3.5.0-26-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 8 23:18:20 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:10] <freedomrun> could be
[18:10] <servantes> I have tons of SATA laptop drives
[18:10] <servantes> And usb adapters
[18:10] <freedomrun> it depends on how your mobo handles it and how good drivers did fit on it
[18:11] <freedomrun> servantes, jump of 3.5 it`s a buggy one
[18:11] <servantes> And I didnt see anything fishy in dmesg
[18:11] <servantes> too?
[18:11] <servantes> This was the latest kernel
[18:11] <servantes> in the normal repos
[18:12] <freedomrun> Linux ubuntu 3.8.0 could be better
[18:12] <servantes> sure
[18:12] <servantes> if I had a repo with a prebuilt kernel
[18:12] <freedomrun> don`t forget microcode package
[18:12] <servantes> Im not in the mood for building atm
[18:12] <servantes> yup
[18:13] <servantes> Does someone have a ppa with recent kernels?
[18:13] <freedomrun> you have search the launchpad for "quantal-quassi-rolling"
[18:13] <servantes> k
[18:13] <servantes> thx
[18:13] <Unit193> servantes: No kernels outside of the main repo will be supported, but liquorix should be switching to 3.8 soon.
[18:13] <freedomrun> you`ll get fine 3.8.x from there
[18:13] <servantes> I dont care about "supported" kernel
[18:13] <servantes> heh
[18:13] <servantes> I've been using linux for 12 years, plenty of time to get by on my own
[18:14] <freedomrun> yeah waiting for supported ones you might get old
[18:14] <servantes> ofc
[18:14] <servantes> supported = 3.5
[18:14] <servantes> I had Arch on this machine recently, and it never lagged like this.
[18:14] <servantes> And that was murderFS (reiser :P)
[18:15] <Unit193> FWIW, I have a 1G, slow HDD, computer with EXT4 and it doesn't hang like this.
[18:15] <servantes> Like I said, I alreayd tried with ext4
[18:15] <servantes> same results
[18:15] <freedomrun> ext4 rules
[18:16] <servantes> meh
[18:16] <freedomrun> btrfs is in dev and hungry like an wolf
[18:16] <servantes> I prefer XFS on servers, and btfs on desktops.  But ext has always been fine also
[18:16] <freedomrun> 1GB of RAM is not enuf
[18:17] <servantes> could be the case
[18:17] <freedomrun> belive me I know
[18:17] <servantes> Like I said, this is the oldest machine I have
[18:17] <servantes> But, I had btrfs on it running Arch, and pacman never made it lag like that
[18:17] <freedomrun> I had OpenSolaris on 2GB and that was ZFS a bit more quality of an File system than BTRFS is
[18:18] <servantes> ya zfs is nice
[18:18] <freedomrun> well maybe you have hit the bug in ubuntu/s way of packaging btrfs
[18:18] <WalterN> can systems boot from btrfs?
[18:18] <servantes> yes
[18:18] <servantes> grub2 supports it
[18:18] <WalterN> oh nice
[18:18] <servantes> grub1 would need to be patched
[18:19] <servantes> just like grub1 used to have to be patched for xfs, etc
[18:20] <freedomrun> anyway servantes for simple home machine or laptop go with ext4 .. less problems
[18:20] <servantes> meh
[18:20] <servantes> If I cant get it a little better, I will dd the install over to an USB SATA drive
[18:21] <servantes> I think that should make a good difference
[18:22] <servantes> For all I know this fucking thing could be at DMA66
[18:22] <bazhang> no cursing servantes
[18:22] <servantes> meh
[18:24] <servantes> freedomrun, i aint seeing a kernel in quassi rolling
[18:24] <servantes> https://launchpad.net/~guido-iodice/+archive/quantal-quasi-rolling/+index?batch=75&memo=225&start=225
[18:25] <freedomrun> hmm strange
[18:27] <freedomrun> you don`t need it then go to http://www.liberiangeek.net/2013/03/linux-kernel-3-8-1-releasedhow-to-install-upgrade-in-ubuntu-12-10/ to get an idea
[18:28] <servantes> k
[18:28] <servantes> I know how make kernels, I just have a headache atm, dont really feel like looking at a menuconfig screen
[18:28] <freedomrun> servantes, or just jump here and pickup more recent one: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[18:28] <servantes> lol
[18:28] <servantes> k
[18:29] <freedomrun> tc bbl
[19:16] <xubuntu676> hi
[19:17] <xubuntu676> is there a guide to installing xubuntu
[19:17] <xubuntu676> ?
[20:50] <Krizuu> Hi,
[20:50] <Krizuu> Is there a package to nvidia display drivers ?
[20:51] <bekks> Yes, nvidia-current e.g.
[20:52] <Krizuu> ty :)
[20:53] <Krizuu> long time since last used a debian based
[21:07] <scottbomb> Testing Xubuntu ISO. I closed the lid on the laptop. It didn't suspend but when I opened the lid, the screensaver is activated and wants a password. It won't accept the correct password. I think I need to file a bug but I don't know what package causes this. Anyone here know?
[21:08] <skellat> xscreensaver
[21:11] <scottbomb> ok thanks
[21:29] <Pizza90> hi all, trying to installing windows 7 on my laptop where i have ubuntu i overwrote ubuntu thinking it would have been smart doing a "clean installation" well after that i tried to run windows and it tells me "error unknown filesystem grub rescue" :( i read it's a problem of grup that removed something can someone help me please?
[21:48] <IdleOne> !fixmbr
[21:48] <IdleOne> Pizza90: ^^
[21:49] <n-iCe> hi
[21:52] <Pizza90> ubottu: thanks
[21:52] <Pizza90> LOL
[21:52] <Pizza90> IdleOne: thanks :)
[21:52] <IdleOne> sure thing
[21:53] <GermainZ> Would anyone know of some app that allows showing/hiding windows using shortcuts?
[21:53] <GermainZ> I couldn't find such an option in Compiz's settings.
[21:54] <Pizza90> how is possible that a version of ubuntu/xubuntu with an older kernel recognizes my bluetooth and a newer one doesnt?should not a newer kernel be more rich in fact of compatibility??
[21:57] <knome> Pizza90, sometimes there are regression and sometimes old hardware support is dropped so one doesn't need to maintain so much code just for the compatibility for few devices (less prone to bugs too)
[21:58] <IdleOne> that doesn't mean that you shouldn't report a bug on launchpad.net
[21:59] <Pizza90> Oh i see
[21:59] <Pizza90> well my hardware is 2 years old i think not so old
[22:00] <Pizza90> however i am "forced" to switch back to windows because skype for linux sucks and because thunar hangs every first time i use it :/ (it's a known bug but it's very annoying)
[22:00] <GermainZ> You could use a VM
[22:01] <GermainZ> As for Thunar, Linux is all about choice.
[22:03] <Pizza90> Using a vm for skype doesnt sound a good idea to me, too bad that linux in general has some limitations (mainly caused by others parties)
[22:03] <GermainZ> I personally use a VM for two apps.
[22:09] <GermainZ> Alright, found a solution to what I wanted. I can basically use wmctrl to raise the window I want (by using its class, for example), and assign the command to a keyboard shortcut or a mouse position (Compiz supports the latter as well))
[22:35] <Belial> anyone know where i can find a monochrome xubuntu or xfce logo for a dark panel?
[22:38] <knome> Belial, well http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/ has the svg sources...
[23:08] <ffernando> hello, I'm a Eee Pc User (1025c, Intel Atom 2600, 2GB RAM, 500HD) who just replaced it's windows 7 starter for Xubuntu 12.04
[23:08] <ffernando> but my computer is sutcked at *checkin battery state... [OK]
[23:09] <ffernando> no idead as how to solve this
[23:09] <ffernando> all I know is something to do with the video driver
[23:09] <ffernando> *no idea as how to solve this
[23:09] <holstein> ffernando: i would try booting a live CD
[23:09] <holstein> !nomodeset | ffernando this is something i would try
[23:10] <ffernando> thank you very much, I'll chek it out