[01:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: "I read this proposal and took my time to well think about and well... this idea is just stupid. Should I add more? Yes. I surely won't port rekonq to this "ubuntu-webkit".
[01:22] <shadeslayer> from Andrea
[02:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What if it's a matter of using current webkit and then just not porting away from it?  I think that's what's intended is more API stability, not different API.
[06:35] <shadeslayer> yofel_: lololol 
[06:35] <shadeslayer> yofel_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/kubuntu-settings/raring/view/head:/desktop/share/config/kwinrc
[06:36] <shadeslayer> the fixed kwinrc is only in bzr, and hasn't been released
[06:36] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings/view/head:/desktop/share/config/kwinrc
[06:37] <shadeslayer> though I don't know what state the branch is in, so I won't upload it right now, maybe when apachelogger is around 
[06:40] <shadeslayer> heh
[06:41] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: hi, I *just* commented on the 2x Desktops bug
[06:41] <shadeslayer> only the package has the bug, bzr is fine
[06:41] <mgraesslin> so it just needs rebuilding?
[06:42] <shadeslayer> just needs me to upload from bzr
[06:42] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/kubuntu-settings/raring/view/head:/desktop/share/config/kwinrc is the package in the archive vs http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings/view/head:/desktop/share/config/kwinrc which is in bzr
[06:43] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: remove the complete group
[06:43] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[06:43] <mgraesslin> there's no need to ship hardcoded Number=1
[06:46] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: done
[06:46] <mgraesslin> that's fast
[06:48] <shadeslayer> well, I haven't uploaded it to the archive
[06:48] <shadeslayer> because I have no idea if it's in an uploadable state or not
[06:48] <shadeslayer> probably in the evening
[07:18] <shadeslayer> bleh
[07:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ofcourse https://bug-108088-attachments.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=186231 doesn't apply
[07:22] <soee> good morning
[07:27] <shadeslayer> hi soee
[07:28] <soee> hi, shadeslayer 
[07:28] <soee> someone plan to create pmc packages for kubuntu ?
[07:28] <shadeslayer> it's quite late
[07:28] <shadeslayer> it's post UI freeze
[07:28] <shadeslayer> and FFe
[07:28] <shadeslayer> erm
[07:28] <shadeslayer> FF only
[07:29] <shadeslayer> plus, I'm getting reports that it doesn't really work
[07:29] <soee> ah :) and some experimental ppa maybe ?
[07:29] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462534
[09:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so, should I close the ddeb question?
[09:34] <shadeslayer> useless to have asked for it?
[10:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:08] <smartboyhw> Hi guys!!!!!!!
[11:08]  * smartboyhw is back (for today)
[11:08] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw, how are you?
[11:09] <smartboyhw> lordievader, fine:)
[11:09] <lordievader> Good to hear :)
[11:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Hello:)
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Why does notes.kde.org require KDE Identity!?
[11:37] <shadeslayer> it's tied into etherpad lite
[11:38] <shadeslayer> plus, making an i.k.o account is trivial
[11:38] <smartboyhw> Anyway got in it now:P
[11:38]  * smartboyhw has forgotten completely his KDE Identity account
[11:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when you get back can you check if kubuntu-settings can be uploaded from bzr
[11:40] <shadeslayer> I'm leaving now, probably won't be available for the next week
[11:44] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh oh
[11:44] <soee> :)
[11:45] <soee> sont worry ill be there with spiritual support -.-
[11:45] <smartboyhw> soee, LOL
[12:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: IMO yes, but it's not just up to me.
[12:43] <Riddell> murthy: fancy taking on that request for nootka ?
[12:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what nootka?
[13:00] <Riddell> smartboyhw: a music programme
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, trying to build here
[13:01] <Riddell> smartboyhw: guy just e-mailed kubuntu-devel, if you want it then assign the bug to you or something
[13:01] <smartboyhw> But clearly some of his dependencies in README doesn't exactly match the package names in Ubuntu
[13:02] <Riddell> all part of the job of a packager
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[13:05] <soop_de_woop> could somebody rename a file and upload it for me to download?
[13:06] <smartboyhw> soee, what file?
[13:07] <soop_de_woop> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/proxychains/libproxychains3_3.1-3_amd64.deb
[13:07] <soop_de_woop> school server blocks anything that contains the word "proxy"
[13:08] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so the package version for nootka should be what?
[13:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: um the same as upstream?
[13:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so 0.8.60-beta?
[13:11]  * smartboyhw does not know if 0.8.60-beta > 0.8.60 or not
[13:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh use ~
[13:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK:)
[13:11] <Riddell> 0.8.60~beta1
[13:12] <Riddell> ~ is a magic character to make the following less then 0
[13:12] <smartboyhw> XD
[13:14] <Craig> sorry, wifi cuts out
[13:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, maintainer = ?
[13:14] <smartboyhw> And we need an FFe for that (just realized)
[13:14] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:16] <Craig> smartboyhw would  you be able to rename the .deb?
[13:17] <Riddell> Craig: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libpoxychains3_3.1-3_amd64.deb
[13:17] <Craig> thx
[13:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>
[13:17] <Riddell> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: 
[13:17] <smartboyhw> OK:)
[13:17] <Riddell> and put your details in second line 
[13:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[13:20] <Craig> ok now another problem
[13:20] <Craig> cs@ubuntuSvr:~$ sudo tasksel
[13:20] <Craig> xserver-xorg					install
[13:20] <Craig> tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
[13:21] <Craig> trying to install a Desktop envornment
[13:24] <ScottK> Craig: We don't use tasksel for desktops.  If you want a Kubuntu desktop, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
[13:24] <Craig> ok
[13:26] <Craig> now its the facebook tumblr accounts missing
[13:27] <Craig> its because of my school's server
[13:38] <agateau> Which one do you prefer? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/22/ubiquity-greeter-1.png http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/22/ubiquity-greeter-2.png
[13:40] <Riddell> ooh big buttons
[13:40] <Riddell> I'd go for 1
[13:43] <isaque> agateau, I'll go for 2, the differences are more... different :)
[13:45] <apachelogger> blah
[13:45] <apachelogger> so uesless
[13:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are we ui frozen yet? if so, no.
[13:45] <apachelogger> also stuff needs to be removed
[13:45] <apachelogger> as sheytan apparently doesn't want to send a mail :(
[13:46] <ScottK> agateau: I think #2 makes the distinction clearer, but the reference to Oxygen there will be a bit confusing for people who aren't versed in the details of KDE.
[13:47] <soee> is it possible to configure terminal to use colors (when listing direcotory to color different file types, when using grep to color search term) ?
[13:47] <agateau> ScottK: indeed
[13:48] <agateau> ScottK: I should be able to remove it
[13:48] <ScottK> In that case, I pick #2.
[13:48] <ScottK> It might be cool to slap the Kubuntu logo/name on there instead, if you can.
[13:51] <Riddell> ScottK: I was thinking that but derivatives wouldn't appreciate it
[13:52] <ScottK> They already have to replace stuff, so how big a deal is it?
[13:53] <ScottK> Our branding is pretty minimal, but that seems like a nice place for it.
[13:53] <ScottK> It would probably be a helpful thing to write up a README.derivatives to point people at what needs changing.
[13:54] <agateau> do we have a decent kubuntu logo in svg format?
[13:55] <agateau> damn, the usb svg has been created with adobe illustrator, inkscape refuses to open it :/
[13:57] <Riddell> agateau: KubuntuArtwork on wiki
[13:58] <Riddell> agateau: ug, really?
[13:58] <agateau> Riddell: yes, quite a few of the mention illustrator in the comments, but inkscape opens them
[14:01] <agateau> Riddell: ahah, fixed it!
[14:01] <agateau> nothing like editing an svg with vim for some good fun
[14:10] <agateau> Riddell: ScottK: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/22/ubiquity-greeter-3.png
[14:10] <ScottK> +1
[14:12] <Riddell> bling bling
[14:20]  * agateau takes Riddell bling bling as "+1" and prepares a merge request
[14:21] <soee> is it possible to compile mysql workbench against libctemplate2 ?
[14:25] <ScottK> It would have to get moved from Universe to Main.
[14:25] <ScottK> So not for 13.04, but it could be discussed for 13.10.
[15:29] <xnox> ScottK: is agateau getting UIFe and FFe for all the changes landing into ubiquity recently?
[15:29]  * xnox has some u1 bling bling to land =)
[15:30] <ScottK> xnox: giving out an exception for one thing doesn't mean another thing gets it too.
[15:32] <xnox> ScottK: sure, it's just I want to see some UIFe and/or FFe going forward, and not just +1 on #kubuntu channels which other members of ubuntu release team might not be monitoring.
[15:33] <xnox> granted it's easier for qt frontend as only one flavour is using it.
[15:34] <ScottK> xnox: I certainly agree that the FFe ought to be filed and evaluated.  I haven't seen one from agateau yet, but I'm sure we will.
[15:34] <xnox> thanks.
[15:36] <xnox> e.g. I need to make a ubiquity-gtk upload to drop compiz from supported WindowManager to bring back metacity. Visually there is no difference, but we had a lot of crashes with compiz, which locks up input. Installer is workable but one cannot type anything.
[15:37] <xnox> now the branch already has a  few agateau tweaks.
[15:37] <ScottK> OK.
[15:37] <ScottK> agateau: Can you put together an FFe to request for the changes you've already landed?
[15:37] <xnox> i think they are mostly bug-fixes level, but I'm not sure now. I don't boot / run kubuntu.
[15:38] <ScottK> (if there are any feature changes)
[15:38] <xnox> ScottK: if one is required. I just don't know.
[15:38] <ScottK> Right.
[15:38] <Riddell> changes in 2.13.18 are all bug fixes so far
[15:38] <agateau> ScottK: I don't think I landed any new feature
[15:38] <Riddell> lp:~agateau/ubiquity/kde-rework-try-install-buttons will need a UI freeze exception
[15:38] <agateau> ScottK: but todays icon change needs uife
[15:39] <ScottK> agateau: Is that merged already?
[15:39] <agateau> ScottK: no it's not
[15:39] <agateau> ScottK: but I already filed a merge request
[15:39] <ScottK> xnox: ^^^ I think what's already landed is bug fix, so you're not blocked on a FF/UIFe.
[15:39] <ScottK> OK.
[15:40] <ScottK> Should probably do the UIF/FFe request first.
[15:40] <agateau> ok
[15:42] <agateau> ScottK: I was also considering altering the sidebar background image, because it looks a bit too similar to latest suse installer... can I file a separate uife for that or is it too late anyway?
[15:42] <ScottK> Not too late to ask I don't think.
[15:47] <agateau> ok
[16:29] <sheytan_> apachelogger: sent
[16:29] <sheytan_> sorry i'm that late. I fu*** busy at work
[16:29] <sheytan_> even today need to stay longer
[16:29] <sheytan_> and no one will pay me for that :D
[16:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: too late now
[16:40] <apachelogger> sheytan even
[16:40] <apachelogger> afk again
[16:40] <apachelogger> :P
[16:42] <xnox> agateau: ScottK: Riddell: what are QML plans for ubiquity? Do we have python-qt5 now? And can we for example start a qml frontend and implement bits and pieces? (For example start with pages only relevant to oem-config mode)
[16:43] <agateau> xnox: no plans on my side for now
[16:43] <xnox> Would you mind using ubuntu-touch components for some of it? Or will that just end up in having two qml frontends (ubuntu and kubuntu)?
[16:45] <Riddell> xnox: we've no current plans to port to QML, I think it would be fun to have that done
[16:46] <agateau> xnox: honestly, I am not looking forward writing a new frontend on top of the current state of the backend
[16:47] <Riddell> there's no PyQt5 yet, would be an idea to check up on upstream's plans for that
[16:47] <xnox> Riddell: for example i'd be interested at working on the oem-config pages, (which will be the bulk of stuff, i.e the frame and logic), not so much about the kubuntu installer.
[16:48] <xnox> agateau: you mean the PageQt clases or ubiquity base classes/logic on top of debconf?
[16:48] <agateau> xnox: yes
[16:48] <xnox> agateau: which one or both?
[16:49] <Riddell> xnox: I don't think ubuntu-touch has much we're allergic to in it, it's just quite large (20MB install here)
[16:49] <agateau> xnox: I drew a diagram of the way the various classes work together and it felt quite over-engineered
[16:50] <agateau> xnox: and I highly dislike the fact that all frontend code must be written in the same file (for plugins)
[16:52] <xnox> agateau: well we can change plugin loader to load them from some other place. it's just conveniet from top level architecture to find & order all plugins in the same way and pick the right class for a given frontend.
[16:52] <xnox> w.r.t. the rest of classes, yeah it is overwhelming at first. But I also didn't have clear ideas on how to make it easier either.
[16:53] <agateau> having everything in one class means it is painful to search in the file, as you often end up in parts of the code you are not working on
[16:53] <agateau> it also means imports must be done in functions rather than at top level
[16:54] <agateau> but I think what really annoys me the most is how difficult the thing is to test
[16:55] <xnox> with unit test - or "please load this one page and let me click on it"
[16:57] <agateau> unit tests would be nice, but I would love to have a fake backend which would allow me to run the frontend on my machine without having to rsync my code to a vm
[17:07]  * agateau has to go now
[17:26] <ScottK> xnox: Qt5 based packages can be built using PyQt4, but they don't support new Qt5 features.  Patches welcome for PyQt4.
[17:27] <murthy> hello everyone
[17:28] <murthy> Riddell: did nootka got packaged?
[17:30] <murthy> seems smartboyhw has assigned nootka packaging to himself
[17:31] <xnox> ScottK: i'm confused. Do you mean pyqt works with qt5 only by extension of common/unchanged/compatible modules between qt4 & 5?
[17:33] <ScottK> xnox: I haven't studied things in detail.  Upstream has said new features of Qt5 aren't supported in PyQt4, but will have to wait for PyQt5, which is apparently in work.  I've expended zero effort so far figuring out what exactly they mean by that.
[17:34] <xnox> =) thanks. that executive summary is more than i know ;-)