[00:01] rsalveti, \o/ [00:02] rickspencer3, how would you expect that info to magically apper on your PC if you dont have any connetion to the system ? [00:02] you need either adb or ssh [00:03] rickspencer3: using adb would be easier === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:04] adb shell cat /system/quantal-ubuntu_stamp [00:04] phablet-flash uses adb to detect the device type [00:05] does the sdk depend on adb ? [00:05] adb shell getprop | grep ro.product.device [00:05] i.e. if i didnt flash from the machine i run the sdk on [00:06] not sure [00:06] maybe it uses adb to forward the ssh port with the host? [00:06] * ogra_ didnt see any adb in todays seed addition [00:06] (loic added the ubuntu-sdk to the ubuntu-touch-meta seed today) [00:06] well, no rickspencer3 anymore [00:07] how it connects with the device? [00:07] * rsalveti didn't used sdk yet [00:07] * ogra_ neither [00:07] bzoltan1: in case you're still alive ^ [00:07] i only watched the seed change today ... [00:08] ogra@anubis:~/Devel/seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring$ grep adb sdk [00:08] ogra@anubis:~/Devel/seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring$ [00:09] no adb [00:33] sergiusens: ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/session-manager/adding_conf_mako_maguro/+merge/154837 [00:35] rsalveti, hmm ? i thought i had added them [00:35] ogra_: nops, they were using the default values [00:35] as before [00:36] oh [00:36] ogra_: just to avoid issues later in case we change the default values [00:36] right, they had no entry in the original code [00:36] yup [00:36] phew [00:36] :-) [00:36] you shocked me for a second [00:36] :) [00:36] * ogra_ just reads all the pycon stuff ... oh my [00:37] ogra_: didn't see that yet [00:39] http://www.dailydot.com/society/pycon-dongle-joke-misogyny-sexism-adria-richards/ [00:40] someone in the audience makes a sexistic joke and in the end all lost their jobs [00:40] escalation mgmt. +1 [00:41] haha, lemme see [01:00] ogra_: what a mess === salem_ is now known as _salem [01:02] heh, yeah [01:09] bah I live in the wrong part of the world, such a PITA to get a nexus 10 in norway [01:24] brunost really? that is lame [01:25] juicyjones: yeah, small nation, small market no official release on the market here yet [01:25] ugh. the play store works though? [01:25] nope [01:25] not available here [01:26] wow that just seems like a big omission [01:26] yeah [01:26] I *can* use a proxy and order it from the UK or something, but once again a pain [01:26] just have a friend order one and ship it to you. but without the play store what would you do for apps? sideload them? [01:27] oh you can buy apps [01:27] just not anything else [01:27] well that's something [01:27] yup [01:28] You must know someone in the UK or US who can ship you one. [01:28] yeah I do [01:28] lived in the UK for 3 years [01:28] might just fly to london and meet up with some friends and grab a tablet at the same time [01:29] there you go [01:29] not that much more expensive to fly than to get it shipped anyways (oh the irony) [01:29] I would not be happy if I couldn't have gotten my N4 because of my location [01:30] except for the fact that a lot of stuff reaches this part of the world a lot later than the rest of the world its a nice place though [01:30] I would move to Norway in an instant if it were possible. [01:30] oh? [01:30] Not disparaging Seattle, it's the coolest country in the US. but I've always wanted to live in Europe [01:31] seattle is the coolest city* in ... [01:31] its not like norway is particulary warm though [01:32] it was over 10F today [01:32] WOHOO [01:32] crazy [01:32] and I'm complaining about 18C [01:33] and its dark most of the time during the winters, if you live really far north you don't see sunlight for like 3 months [01:33] and then its light all the time in the summer [01:33] yeah, I cannot live in a place like that [01:33] you adjust quickly [01:33] * rsalveti loves the strong sun we get everyday at brazil [01:33] lived far up north for a year, I survived [01:34] though I am used to harsh climate [01:34] I become useless above 25C [01:34] ugh, if the temperature climbs over 25C that is [01:34] yeah, we had ~37C a few weeks ago [01:35] horrible [01:35] I think all you northerners are the only ones who have valid complaints about the cold. :) [01:35] haha true [01:35] rsalveti: Yeah here in Sydney we had at least 2 summer days in January over 40c. [01:35] our complaints about warmth are completely invalid though [01:35] TheMuso: yeah, hard think at that temperature [01:36] 15C == Shorts and t-shirt weather [01:36] rsalveti: Agreed, which is why I invested in air conditioning. Sydney summers can get rather hot. [01:37] more than 25C and people can't be fucked with work [01:37] Please keep the language clean [01:38] sorry [01:38] * brunost has a potty mouth [01:44] brunost it's already as dark as it gets in the US here in Seattle. It's pitch black by 4 PM in december. === _salem is now known as salem_ [01:47] at mid winter the sun rises at 10 and sets at 2-ish here [01:48] combining that with working nights means that I see the sun in the weekends during the winter [01:50] Yeah a seattleite wouldn't dislike that much more. we like our moody cozy winters. but it's not as cold here. [02:06] rsalveti: yep [02:06] rsalveti: binder crash thing, but I think its triggered by something else dying [02:09] yeah, kind of shell then binder [02:12] rsalveti: anyways, some of that code is going away and some of it is getting reinforced [02:16] ricmm: yup, just saying the crash is still happen [02:16] to annoy you a bit [02:17] so you can fix it [02:17] :P [02:17] jezz, why no neon at tegra2, just to make our life harder [02:20] rsalveti: What are you guys supporting thats tegra 2? [02:20] I am surprised you mention it. [02:21] just trying to help some folks porting touch to tf101 (transformer) [02:21] which is a tegra 2 device [02:21] rsalveti: tegra2 is a lost platform [02:21] but I cannot share my android binaries as all other devices I have support neon just fine [02:21] lack of neon has been haunting us since a while ago [02:21] yup [02:22] I just hope to see a better i/o controller at tegra 4 [02:22] even tegra 3 kind of sucks regarding i/o === salem_ is now known as _salem [03:49] om26er: https://launchpad.net/phone-app === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afl === mmrazik|afl is now known as mmrazik|afk === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === lubuntu is now known as Guest42703 === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik [09:14] I wonder if anyone eager to try out new stuff / break one's machine, using 12.04 or 12.10, would like to enable ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper and ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-staging and then apt-get dist-upgrade + apt-get install ubuntu-sdk ? really no need if you want to focus on creating stuff instead of testing my packages :) [09:15] good morning [09:15] in addition to Qt 5.0.1 (which is already quite well tested), it brings qtbase compiled with GTK theme support (fixing qt creator fonts among else) and appmenu support [09:16] it works fine on my precise machine so I'm not expecting problems, though [09:18] and good noon, yes [09:34] bzoltan1, how does the sdk connect to a phone currently ? [09:34] bzoltan1, (using adb ?) [09:34] ogra_: primarily yes... and/or using ssh [09:34] but the ssh port forwarding is initiated from adb [09:35] bzoltan1, then we need to make sure the sdk has a dependency on adb [09:35] ogra_: Correct [09:35] i dont think it has atm [09:35] ogra_: let me check... but you could be right (what I hate) :) [09:35] at least not in what lool copied into the nes seeds [09:36] (which i think just comes from your current deps) [09:36] s/nes/new/ [09:37] ogra_: the ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins does recommed it [09:37] ok [09:37] thnen we should be fine [09:37] $ apt-cache show ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins|grep android-tools-adb [09:37] Recommends: android-tools-adb [09:37] bzoltan1, thanks ! [09:37] ogra_: no probs [09:41] bzoltan1: ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins isn't in Ubuntu though [09:42] lool: damn, you caught me :) You are right [09:42] It is not yet in the archives === Lloirv2 is now known as Lloir [09:46] I wonder if anyone would like to sponsor lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtwebkit-opensource-src to raring?-) it was tested to run fine on a device and fixes our known issues. === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ [10:18] The core apps not been updated for a while? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily [10:27] ogra_ do we have tools to mount/examing the sparse filesystems used by fastboot? I remember using some for N7 [10:28] yeah, in android-fsutils (or -tools i always forget) [10:29] ogra_, thanks, android-tools-fsutils, you remember well :) [10:29] haha [10:31] ogra_, no manpages but descriptive enough executable names in there [10:31] got it with simg2img [10:31] -h should work .. [10:31] and for missing manpages, blame xnox [10:31] :P [10:31] xnox, I hereby blame you for missing manpages [10:32] haha [10:32] ogra_, I am still debugging why I get weird .zip file names (which is likely only a symptom of a larger issue) [10:32] CM_BUILD not being set at all here [10:32] extremely weird [10:32] ogra_, when you built from source, how do you call brunch? [10:32] like described on the porting page ... [10:32] I see that only if the target name starts with cm_ does it source those makefiles [10:33] in fact i usually copy paste :) [10:33] janimo: > www.android.org [10:33] ogra_, the porting page unhelpfully says brunch :) [10:33] heh, true [10:33] bunch i9100 in my case [10:33] not saying whether it is for ex full_mako-userdebug [10:33] or cm_mako-userdebug [10:33] oh, it would be brunch mako [10:33] the latter of course does not work as it is missing device/ and is the upstream target [10:33] for mako [10:33] no cm_ in there [10:35] unless I use full_mako-userdebug (the same as I'd pick from the launch menu) I get errors [10:35] build/core/product_config.mk:253: *** No matches for product "cm_mako". Stop. [10:35] I wonder what am I doing differently from everyone else :/ [10:35] try just "brunch mako" [10:35] ** Don't have a product spec for: 'cm_mako' [10:35] do I need to add extra repos from cm by hand? [10:35] no [10:36] ogra that is what I called, brunch mako [10:36] not for the four supported devices [10:36] right [10:36] ah, k [10:36] i thought you called cm_mako [10:36] but the confusion arises from our 4 supported devices being copies/forks/entirely separate devices from upstream's equivalently named ones [10:36] lets blame git then ... we should switch to bzr anyway :P [10:37] ogra_, can you get a build going in your repo workdir by just . build/envsetup.sh && brunch mako? [10:37] dunno, let me try [10:38] ogra_, but you have built a device from scratch so far since you have the correctly named zip files [10:38] yep [10:38] mako runs fine here [10:40] ogra_, sigh, no idea what's going on :/ [10:40] do a new repo sync ? [10:41] it is a fresh one from yesterday [10:41] (and keep a tarball of the tree right after syncing so you dont have to do it over and over) [10:41] ogra_, but brunch grouper seems to proceed [10:41] let's try that then [10:41] its compiling the kernel here now [10:42] ogra_, my mako setup must have been broken somehow, grouper is on its way without the error [10:42] hmm [10:42] weird [10:42] I'll just wait and see how the zipname turns out [11:00] janimo, FYI ... Package complete: /home/ogra/datengrab/phablet-android/out/target/product/mako/cm-10.1-20130322-UNOFFICIAL-mako.zip [11:02] Anyone know of plans for Exchange email support in Ubuntu Touch? I know it's a sore subject within Ubuntu. Hence why I've not made the full switch from Windows yet. === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI [11:14] ogra_, grouper built correctly here as well. \o/ [11:15] ogra_, I wasted too much time on this, using the targets as presented by the lunch menu :( === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch [11:37] hikiko, hey [11:38] hikiko, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Upgrades ... [11:38] if you didnt upgrade for a long time you should better consider to flash from scratch [11:38] thanks ogra_ :) [11:38] yes that's what I ll do [11:38] last time was 1 day before christmas... [11:38] make sure to have the new phablet-tools (from the public PPA) [11:39] then you vcan use pablet-flash -l (-l for "latest") that will get you the most recent daily [11:39] *phablet-flash [11:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install has the pointers to the PPA etc === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:36] mesq: thanks for the app paterns for clock...they look awesome!!!! [12:37] nik90: You like? They do look really nice and funtional! [12:37] functional* [12:37] ok i forgot how to fix this [12:37] http://pastebin.com/CfTrP1p3 [12:37] aqcalamitaITA: I do have one question [12:38] In the timer, how does one set the timer for more than an hour? Because the current design indicate a way to adjust the minute only [12:38] Can you use the zoom? [12:39] you mean the + and the - buttons? In the app paterns, it is used to increment/decrement by a minute [12:41] nik90: thanks and you're welcome too! [12:41] mesq: I was just asking agcalamitaITA some questions regarding the timer [12:41] maybe you can answer them for me [12:42] nik90: maybe tapping on the counter could give you a numpad to punch in any time in hh:mm:ss format [12:42] Nope, sorry -- I mis-read the zoom function. It's part of the stopwatch. I'm sure you can add it manually or increment using the + and - buttons [12:43] ok that is fine with me [12:43] http://pastebin.com/CfTrP1p3 can anyone help me fix this I forgot what was needed to fix this [12:43] because using the +,- buttons to change it all the way to say 02:45 is quite a tedious task..in which case we can click on the counter text and input it using a numpad [12:47] http://pastebin.com/CfTrP1p3 === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:54] anyone?? === kgunnAFK is now known as kgunn === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [13:00] Mrnerd: hi whats up [13:00] hey [13:00] http://pastebin.com/CfTrP1p3 [13:01] i keep getting this error I fixed it before its really simple.. i thought i fixed it but i guess i didnt [13:01] i cant remember what i was told to do to fixi t [13:02] who helped you last time? ogra_^^ === salem_ is now known as _salem [13:03] "/home/mrnerdisg0d/" [13:03] * Namidairo facepalms [13:03] i cant remember. [13:03] guess what [13:03] this channel is logged [13:04] right [13:04] good luck finding it. [13:04] where is it logged at? [13:04] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones [13:16] my bad guys. [13:16] phone started acting up. [13:24] thanks namidairo [13:24] thanks pmcgowan [13:25] sergiusens, whats holding back phablet-tools from raring ? i will need it for the cdimage android builds [13:25] (happy to fix whats missing) [13:27] ogra_: hmmm... it should be there... let me check! [13:27] oh,, ignore me :P [13:27] * ogra_ should have checked before [13:28] i need it in main though [13:29] sergiusens, awww ... !#/usr/bin/env python ... [13:30] that needs fixing [13:30] ogra_: to what? I'll fix. [13:30] ogra_: I just used what autopilot did, and that's in distro [13:30] the full path to the python interpreter .. [13:31] really ? [13:31] thats broken then, distro packages should not use env, else you risk breakage if someone puts his own python into /usr/local [13:32] ogra_: makes sense... I'll fix! [13:32] ogra_: ah, it's not anymore, disregard [13:32] but if autopilot changes it i probably miss a policy change, let me ask first [13:33] ogra_: no, autopilot is as you said the right way is [13:34] ah, phew === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:51] hello [13:52] Anyone here ? [13:52] I have a question, about the android devices supported by Ubuntu [13:53] why the ubuntu community focus on devices made by google. All the devices are from "Nexus" family. [13:53] ? [13:53] saber_, they are much easier to work with [13:53] because you dont need to (potentially illegally) root them [13:53] easy to unlock, impossible to brick, widely available and not too expensive without a contract [13:54] they are completely open [13:54] saber_: the Nexus devices were made for things like this [13:54] saber_: that said, the community focus is everywhere, there are tens of community projects around https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices (and yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install only lists nexus) [13:54] saber_, and the aim of the project is to develop Ubuntu Touch, so the exact device used is of secondary importance [13:54] but nexus family is the most obvious to work with [13:54] hence going with easiest [13:54] note that in the US rooting your phone is illegal since a few weeks [13:55] there is a new law in place [13:55] ogra_, I think that is about unlocking (using a carrier different from the one yuo bought the phone with) [13:55] i thought that included rooting [13:55] there seems to be some confusion around that [13:55] ah, k [13:56] honestly I don't know the details either [13:56] http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Basic_concepts [13:56] I see now, I wonder if there a development difficulties related to drivers of the mobiles .?? [13:56] rooting and carrier unlocking and botloader unlocking, indeed confusing terminology [14:01] Thank you a lot for those information. I have one last question, how may I participate in the development of this OS ? [14:04] hi saber_ there are lots of ways to participate [14:04] what are you good at, what do you like to do? [14:04] * rickspencer3 wonders if he missed some context [14:05] rickspencer3, you did not AFAICT [14:05] rsalveti: FYI from my point of view qt5-beta-proper is ready to be copied, although it can be done on Monday as well. I wrote to mailing lists earlier that I'd let people know when we're doing the copying, but I don't know yet... [14:06] rsalveti: but I guess you'll first continue to do some testing with qt5-beta-proper anyhow. [14:07] I like programming [14:09] saber_, like programming apps? kernel hacking? [14:10] rickspencer3_, I'm using programming apps for android, but I want to start with kernel hacking with ubuntu, if it is possible of course [14:10] rickspencer3_, I'm used to programming apps for android, but I want to start with kernel hacking with ubuntu, if it is possible of course [14:11] saber_, well, one area that would help a lot is making apps with the sdk [14:11] and contributing to the sdk [14:11] saber_, http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [14:13] saber_, if you want to do kernel hacking you could start with doing a port to your favorite device https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting [14:13] saber_, there are plenty of bugs in the various kernels used in Ubuntu. so a lot of opportunities to contribute, but I would also advise writing QML apps, porting your android ones and giving feedback === greyback is now known as greyback|food === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|otp [14:13] rickspencer3_ thank you a lot [14:13] working on the kernel is much more frustrating and has lesser impact on endusers [14:13] ogra_ thank you a lot [14:14] unless you do it full time [14:14] janimo, btw, are you a "Ranger" now ? [14:15] :) [14:15] * ogra_ just saw the mail :) [14:15] ogra_, so I read [14:16] thats the US variant of a canadian montie, right ? :) [14:16] * ogra_ wonders if jani has to wear uniform and moustache [14:16] *mountie [14:17] I like rangers, good luck Janimo_ [14:17] Thank you every body, hope to see you soon, bye ;) [14:20] ogra_, for me Ranger implies Chuck Norris [14:20] not the canadian mounted police [14:21] or the Glasgow Rangers [14:22] OOOH ! [14:23] chucknorrisified ! === mmrazik|otp is now known as mmrazik === _salem is now known as salem_ === greyback|food is now known as greyback === barry` is now known as barry_ === barry_ is now known as barry === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader|afk [14:53] hi there :) i'm trying to install ubuntu mobile on a nexus 4 just unlocked (not rooted!) but the command 'phablet-flash -l' after pushing just downloaded the quantal-preinstalled-* on sdcard, tell me: adbd cannot run as root in production builds [14:53] how workaround that? [14:53] cwm+root? [14:54] Can yu not use phablet-flash -b [14:55] nexus4 was booted [14:55] so no -b switch... === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:55] If it's booted to Android then run -- phablet-flash -b -l [14:55] ok. ty. i'll try [14:56] Once it's bootstrapped once, you can then run phablet-flash -l to install the latest daily build [14:57] yep. at the moment it's downloading quantal-preinstalled-system-armel+mako.img [14:57] :) [14:57] i got it [14:57] hehe [15:03] tetractys: Sounds about right! [15:03] latest daily build give me black screen at boot on nexus 7 ... any clue ? [15:04] You deleted /data partition and tried again? === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [15:04] tried but failed [15:04] Failed deleting it or faield after? [15:04] had to revert to earlier version [15:05] failed after [15:05] even tried the full process (reflashing android) then -b -l [15:07] hey pmcgowan or bfiller is there a place where I can see what changed in the phablet image each day? [15:08] so I know what to try and stuff? [15:08] rickspencer3: yes there is the change log [15:08] hang on [15:08] thanks pmcgowan [15:08] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled.changelog [15:08] @agcalamitaITA: after (i can imagine) the installation of just generated 'autodeploy.zip' , nexus4 restars but screen remain blank. how to wipe /data? [15:09] pretty sparse today and it broke the build :( [15:09] pmcgowan, so I shouldn't update today? [15:10] I wonder if I can add a feature to the qt-creator plugin that displays the days change log [15:10] that would be cool [15:10] and maybe also displays the status of the build so you know if you should update [15:10] rickspencer3: wait for the rebuild, the fix was already made [15:11] pmcgowan, will do [15:11] it was trivial but broke startup [15:11] ack [15:11] please, can anyone remember me the method for wiping /data? [15:12] Can you access it over adb [15:12] yep bu as user ($) not as root (#) [15:13] ... [15:13] adb shell -> $ prompt [15:14] sorry but i have to leave. thank you for your advices. [15:14] see you all soon. [15:45] hello, to run ubuntu phone do I need an cortex a9 processor or can it be an A15 processor? [15:48] I mean, ubuntu only runs on Cortex A9 processors or can run in Cortex A15 or A7 processors? [15:48] llusato: it can run on A15 [15:48] does anyone here have an advent vega(aka p10an01 aka Viewsonic Viewpad 10s aka Nvidia Shuttle)? [15:48] ok and in A7? [15:49] rsalveti, found the issue with cm-.zip with ogra's help. I was calling brunch full_mako-userdebug [15:49] instead of brunch mako [15:49] I thought using the options presented by the lunch menu are the ones to be used [15:49] many thanks and a last question can ubuntu run on an A7 Cortex processor? [15:50] janimo: oh, right [15:50] rsalveti: we dont run on A7 anymore do we [15:50] well, the A7 is the new one for big.LITTLE [15:50] which is armv7 compatible [15:50] the naming is quite a mess I must say [15:50] I'm getting closer to repeating the build for VEGABEAN(CM10.1) for Advent Vega. This is my first step before tweaking it for Ubuntu-touch stuff. [15:50] rsalveti, it is confusing that one has the options cm_mako and the other two as well [15:51] we're compatible with the armv7 instruction set (cortex-a8 and cortex-a9) [15:51] also compatible with A7 and A15 based cpus, which are part of big.little [15:52] so theoretically ubuntu can also run on Cortex A7 processors isn't it? [15:52] http://forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/69585-vegabean-android-jellybean-advent-vega-aka-p10an01-aka-nvidia-shuttle-aka-viewsonic-viewpad-10s/#entry382167 [15:52] yup, the instruction set for A7 and A15 are the same [15:53] ok many thanks [15:53] so if I but an MTK processor which is a Cortex A7 processor should be supported by Ubuntu, isn't it? [15:54] nvidia's kernel is built with hardfp for cardhu(tegra3) and ventana(tegra2). I'm still unsure if hardfp can be done for older generation harmony(tegra250), but it seems so. Can someone here confirm this? [15:54] rsalveti: of course right [15:56] Someone built an ubuntu 11.04 for Advent Vega in 2011, but it's armel(softfp) not armhf(hardfp). [15:56] pmcgowan: soon we'll have A53, A58, whatever more weird naming ARM can come with [15:56] By extension, that's why I believe getting ubuntu touch on this tablet should be doable. [15:56] right just learned about those a while back [15:56] it's quite confusing because in ubuntu phone webpage they say that the low-end phones will run just on Cortex A9 processors, but now I see it can also run on Cortex A7 and A15 processors. [15:57] hahah [15:57] that was intended to use A9 as a lower end processor example [15:57] it's because cortex A7 is more recent than A9 [15:57]