[00:01] <ogra_> rsalveti, \o/
[00:02] <ogra_> rickspencer3, how would you expect that info to magically apper on your PC if you dont have any connetion to the system ?
[00:02] <ogra_> you need either adb or ssh
[00:03] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: using adb would be easier
[00:04] <rsalveti> adb shell cat /system/quantal-ubuntu_stamp
[00:04] <rsalveti> phablet-flash uses adb to detect the device type
[00:05] <ogra_> does the sdk depend on adb ?
[00:05] <rsalveti> adb shell getprop | grep ro.product.device
[00:05] <ogra_> i.e. if i didnt flash from the machine i run the sdk on
[00:06] <rsalveti> not sure
[00:06] <rsalveti> maybe it uses adb to forward the ssh port with the host?
[00:06]  * ogra_ didnt see any  adb in todays seed addition
[00:06] <ogra_> (loic added the ubuntu-sdk to the ubuntu-touch-meta seed today)
[00:06] <rsalveti> well, no rickspencer3 anymore
[00:07] <rsalveti> how it connects with the device?
[00:07]  * rsalveti didn't used sdk yet
[00:07]  * ogra_ neither 
[00:07] <rsalveti> bzoltan1: in case you're still alive ^
[00:07] <ogra_> i only watched the seed change today ...
[00:08] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring$ grep adb sdk
[00:08] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring$
[00:09] <ogra_> no adb
[00:33] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/session-manager/adding_conf_mako_maguro/+merge/154837
[00:35] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm ? i thought i had added them
[00:35] <rsalveti> ogra_: nops, they were using the default values
[00:35] <rsalveti> as before
[00:36] <ogra_> oh
[00:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: just to avoid issues later in case we change the default values
[00:36] <ogra_> right, they had no entry in the original code
[00:36] <rsalveti> yup
[00:36] <ogra_> phew
[00:36] <rsalveti> :-)
[00:36] <ogra_> you shocked me for a second
[00:36] <ogra_> :)
[00:36]  * ogra_ just reads all the pycon stuff ... oh my 
[00:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: didn't see that yet
[00:39] <ogra_> http://www.dailydot.com/society/pycon-dongle-joke-misogyny-sexism-adria-richards/
[00:40] <ogra_> someone in the audience makes a sexistic joke and in the end all lost their jobs
[00:40] <ogra_> escalation mgmt. +1
[00:41] <rsalveti> haha, lemme see
[01:00] <rsalveti> ogra_: what a mess
[01:02] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[01:09] <brunost> bah I live in the wrong part of the world, such a PITA to get a nexus 10 in norway
[01:24] <juicyjones> brunost really? that is lame
[01:25] <brunost> juicyjones: yeah, small nation, small market no official release on the market here yet
[01:25] <juicyjones> ugh. the play store works though?
[01:25] <brunost> nope
[01:25] <brunost> not available here
[01:26] <juicyjones> wow that just seems like a big omission
[01:26] <brunost> yeah
[01:26] <brunost> I *can* use a proxy and order it from the UK or something, but once again a pain
[01:26] <juicyjones> just have a friend order one and ship it to you. but without the play store what would you do for apps? sideload them?
[01:27] <brunost> oh you can buy apps
[01:27] <brunost> just not anything else
[01:27] <juicyjones> well that's something
[01:27] <brunost> yup
[01:28] <juicyjones> You must know someone in the UK or US who can ship you one.
[01:28] <brunost> yeah I do
[01:28] <brunost> lived in the UK for 3 years
[01:28] <brunost> might just fly to london and meet up with some friends and grab a tablet at the same time
[01:29] <juicyjones> there you go
[01:29] <brunost> not that much more expensive to fly than to get it shipped anyways (oh the irony)
[01:29] <juicyjones> I would not be happy if I couldn't have gotten my N4 because of my location
[01:30] <brunost> except for the fact that a lot of stuff reaches this part of the world a lot later than the rest of the world its a nice place though
[01:30] <juicyjones> I would move to Norway in an instant if it were possible.
[01:30] <brunost> oh?
[01:30] <juicyjones> Not disparaging Seattle, it's the coolest country in the US. but I've always wanted to live in Europe
[01:31] <juicyjones> seattle is the coolest city* in ...
[01:31] <brunost> its not like norway is particulary warm though
[01:32] <brunost> it was over 10F today
[01:32] <brunost> WOHOO
[01:32] <rsalveti> crazy
[01:32] <rsalveti> and I'm complaining about 18C
[01:33] <brunost> and its dark most of the time during the winters, if you live really far north you don't see sunlight for like 3 months
[01:33] <brunost> and then its light all the time in the summer
[01:33] <rsalveti> yeah, I cannot live in a place like that
[01:33] <brunost> you adjust quickly
[01:33]  * rsalveti loves the strong sun we get everyday at brazil
[01:33] <brunost> lived far up north for a year, I survived
[01:34] <brunost> though I am used to harsh climate
[01:34] <brunost> I become useless above 25C
[01:34] <brunost> ugh, if the temperature climbs over 25C that is
[01:34] <rsalveti> yeah, we had ~37C a few weeks ago
[01:35] <brunost> horrible
[01:35] <TheMuso> I think all you northerners are the only ones who have valid complaints about the cold. :)
[01:35] <brunost> haha true
[01:35] <TheMuso> rsalveti: Yeah here in Sydney we had at least 2 summer days in January over 40c.
[01:35] <brunost> our complaints about warmth are completely invalid though
[01:35] <rsalveti> TheMuso: yeah, hard think at that temperature
[01:36] <brunost> 15C == Shorts and t-shirt weather
[01:36] <TheMuso> rsalveti: Agreed, which is why I invested in air conditioning. Sydney summers can get rather hot.
[01:37] <brunost> more than 25C and people can't be fucked with work
[01:37] <IdleOne> Please keep the language clean
[01:38] <brunost> sorry
[01:38]  * brunost has a potty mouth
[01:44] <juicyjones> brunost it's already as dark as it gets in the US here in Seattle. It's pitch black by 4 PM in december.
[01:47] <brunost> at mid winter the sun rises at 10 and sets at 2-ish here
[01:48] <brunost> combining that with working nights means that I see the sun in the weekends during the winter
[01:50] <juicyjones> Yeah a seattleite wouldn't dislike that much more. we like our moody cozy winters. but it's not as cold here.
[02:06] <ricmm> rsalveti: yep
[02:06] <ricmm> rsalveti: binder crash thing, but I think its triggered by something else dying
[02:09] <rsalveti> yeah, kind of shell then binder
[02:12] <ricmm> rsalveti: anyways, some of that code is going away and some of it is getting reinforced
[02:16] <rsalveti> ricmm: yup, just saying the crash is still happen
[02:16] <rsalveti> to annoy you a bit
[02:17] <rsalveti> so you can fix it
[02:17] <rsalveti> :P
[02:17] <rsalveti> jezz, why no neon at tegra2, just to make our life harder
[02:20] <TheMuso> rsalveti: What are you guys supporting thats tegra 2?
[02:20] <TheMuso> I am surprised you mention it.
[02:21] <rsalveti> just trying to help some folks porting touch to tf101 (transformer)
[02:21] <rsalveti> which is a tegra 2 device
[02:21] <ricmm> rsalveti: tegra2 is a lost platform
[02:21] <rsalveti> but I cannot share my android binaries as all other devices I have support neon just fine
[02:21] <ricmm> lack of neon has been haunting us since a while ago
[02:21] <rsalveti> yup
[02:22] <rsalveti> I just hope to see a better i/o controller at tegra 4
[02:22] <rsalveti> even tegra 3 kind of sucks regarding i/o
[03:49] <bzoltan1> om26er:  https://launchpad.net/phone-app
[09:14] <Mirv> I wonder if anyone eager to try out new stuff / break one's machine, using 12.04 or 12.10, would like to enable ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper and ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-staging and then apt-get dist-upgrade + apt-get install ubuntu-sdk ? really no need if you want to focus on creating stuff instead of testing my packages :)
[09:15] <dholbach> good morning
[09:15] <Mirv> in addition to Qt 5.0.1 (which is already quite well tested), it brings qtbase compiled with GTK theme support (fixing qt creator fonts among else) and appmenu support
[09:16] <Mirv> it works fine on my precise machine so I'm not expecting problems, though
[09:18] <Mirv> and good noon, yes
[09:34] <ogra_> bzoltan1, how does the sdk connect to a phone currently ?
[09:34] <ogra_> bzoltan1, (using adb ?)
[09:34] <bzoltan1> ogra_: primarily yes... and/or using ssh
[09:34] <bzoltan1> but the ssh port forwarding is initiated from adb
[09:35] <ogra_> bzoltan1, then we need to make sure the sdk has a dependency on adb
[09:35] <bzoltan1> ogra_:  Correct
[09:35] <ogra_> i dont think it has atm
[09:35] <bzoltan1> ogra_:  let me check... but you could be right (what I hate) :)
[09:35] <ogra_> at least not in what lool copied into the nes seeds
[09:36] <ogra_> (which i think just comes from your current deps)
[09:36] <ogra_> s/nes/new/
[09:37] <bzoltan1> ogra_: the ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins does recommed it
[09:37] <ogra_> ok
[09:37] <ogra_> thnen we should be fine
[09:37] <bzoltan1> $ apt-cache show ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins|grep android-tools-adb
[09:37] <bzoltan1> Recommends: android-tools-adb
[09:37] <ogra_> bzoltan1, thanks !
[09:37] <bzoltan1>  ogra_:  no probs
[09:41] <lool> bzoltan1: ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins isn't in Ubuntu though
[09:42] <bzoltan1> lool:  damn, you caught me :) You are right
[09:42] <bzoltan1> It is not yet in the archives
[09:46] <Mirv> I wonder if anyone would like to sponsor  lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtwebkit-opensource-src to raring?-) it was tested to run fine on a device and fixes our known issues.
[10:18] <agcalamitaITA> The core apps not been updated for a while? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily
[10:27] <janimo>    ogra_ do we have tools to mount/examing the sparse filesystems used by fastboot? I remember using some for N7
[10:28] <ogra_> yeah, in android-fsutils (or -tools i always forget)
[10:29] <janimo> ogra_, thanks, android-tools-fsutils, you remember well :)
[10:29] <ogra_> haha
[10:31] <janimo> ogra_, no manpages but descriptive enough executable names in there
[10:31] <janimo> got it with simg2img
[10:31] <ogra_> -h should work ..
[10:31] <ogra_> and for missing manpages, blame xnox
[10:31] <ogra_> :P
[10:31] <janimo> xnox, I hereby blame you for missing manpages
[10:32] <ogra_> haha
[10:32] <janimo> ogra_, I am still debugging why I get weird .zip file names (which is likely only a symptom of a larger issue)
[10:32] <janimo> CM_BUILD not being set at all here
[10:32] <ogra_> extremely weird
[10:32] <janimo> ogra_, when you built from source, how do you call brunch?
[10:32] <ogra_> like described on the porting page ...
[10:32] <janimo> I see that only if the target name starts with cm_ does it source those makefiles
[10:33] <ogra_> in fact i usually copy paste :)
[10:33] <xnox> janimo:  > www.android.org
[10:33] <janimo> ogra_, the porting page unhelpfully says brunch <target> :)
[10:33] <ogra_> heh, true
[10:33] <ogra_> bunch i9100 in my case
[10:33] <janimo> not saying whether it is for ex full_mako-userdebug
[10:33] <janimo> or cm_mako-userdebug
[10:33] <ogra_> oh, it would be brunch mako
[10:33] <janimo> the latter of course does not work as it is missing device/ and is the upstream target
[10:33] <ogra_> for mako
[10:33] <ogra_> no cm_ in there
[10:35] <janimo> unless I use full_mako-userdebug (the same as I'd pick from the launch menu) I get errors
[10:35] <janimo> build/core/product_config.mk:253: *** No matches for product "cm_mako".  Stop.
[10:35] <janimo> I wonder what am I doing differently from everyone else :/
[10:35] <ogra_> try just "brunch mako"
[10:35] <janimo> ** Don't have a product spec for: 'cm_mako'
[10:35] <janimo> do I need to add extra repos from cm by hand?
[10:35] <ogra_> no
[10:36] <janimo> ogra that is what I called, brunch mako
[10:36] <ogra_> not for the four supported devices
[10:36] <janimo> right
[10:36] <ogra_> ah, k
[10:36] <ogra_> i thought you called cm_mako
[10:36] <janimo> but the confusion arises from our 4 supported devices being copies/forks/entirely separate devices from upstream's equivalently named ones
[10:36] <ogra_> lets blame git then ... we should switch to bzr anyway :P
[10:37] <janimo> ogra_, can you get a build going in your repo workdir by just . build/envsetup.sh && brunch mako?
[10:37] <ogra_> dunno, let me try
[10:38] <janimo> ogra_, but you have built a device from scratch so far since you have the correctly named zip files
[10:38] <ogra_> yep
[10:38] <ogra_> mako runs fine here
[10:40] <janimo> ogra_, sigh, no idea what's going on :/
[10:40] <ogra_> do a new repo sync ?
[10:41] <janimo> it is a fresh one from yesterday
[10:41] <ogra_> (and keep a tarball of the tree right after syncing so you dont have to do it over and over)
[10:41] <janimo> ogra_, but brunch grouper seems to proceed
[10:41] <janimo> let's try that then
[10:41] <ogra_> its compiling the kernel here now
[10:42] <janimo> ogra_, my mako setup must have been broken somehow, grouper is on its way without the error
[10:42] <ogra_> hmm
[10:42] <ogra_> weird
[10:42] <janimo> I'll just wait and see how the zipname turns out
[11:00] <ogra_> janimo, FYI ... Package complete: /home/ogra/datengrab/phablet-android/out/target/product/mako/cm-10.1-20130322-UNOFFICIAL-mako.zip
[11:02] <agcalamitaITA> Anyone know of plans for Exchange email support in Ubuntu Touch? I know it's a sore subject within Ubuntu. Hence why I've not made the full switch from Windows yet.
[11:14] <janimo> ogra_, grouper built correctly here as well. \o/
[11:15] <janimo> ogra_, I wasted too much time on this, using the targets as presented by the lunch menu :(
[11:37] <ogra_> hikiko, hey
[11:38] <ogra_> hikiko,  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Upgrades ...
[11:38] <ogra_> if you didnt upgrade for a long time you should better consider to flash from scratch
[11:38] <hikiko> thanks ogra_ :)
[11:38] <hikiko> yes that's what I ll do
[11:38] <hikiko> last time was 1 day before christmas...
[11:38] <ogra_> make sure to have the new phablet-tools (from the public PPA)
[11:39] <ogra_> then you vcan use pablet-flash -l (-l for "latest") that will get you the most recent daily
[11:39] <ogra_> *phablet-flash
[11:40] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install has the pointers to the PPA etc
[12:36] <nik90> mesq: thanks for the app paterns for clock...they look awesome!!!!
[12:37] <agcalamitaITA> nik90: You like? They do look really nice and funtional!
[12:37] <agcalamitaITA> functional*
[12:37] <Mrnerd> ok i forgot how to fix this
[12:37] <Mrnerd> http://pastebin.com/CfTrP1p3
[12:37] <nik90> aqcalamitaITA: I do have one question
[12:38] <nik90> In the timer, how does one set the timer for more than an hour? Because the current design indicate a way to adjust the minute only
[12:38] <agcalamitaITA> Can you use the zoom?
[12:39] <nik90> you mean the + and the - buttons? In the app paterns, it is used to increment/decrement by a minute
[12:41] <mesq> nik90: thanks and you're welcome too!
[12:41] <nik90> mesq: I was just asking agcalamitaITA some questions regarding the timer
[12:41] <nik90> maybe you can answer them for me
[12:42] <mesq> nik90: maybe tapping on the counter could give you a numpad to punch in any time in hh:mm:ss format
[12:42] <agcalamitaITA> Nope, sorry -- I mis-read the zoom function. It's part of the stopwatch. I'm sure you can add it manually or increment using the + and - buttons
[12:43] <nik90> ok that is fine with me
[12:43] <Mrnerd> http://pastebin.com/CfTrP1p3  can anyone help me fix this I forgot what was needed to fix this
[12:43] <nik90> because using the +,- buttons to change it all the way to say 02:45 is quite a tedious task..in which case we can click on the counter text and input it using a numpad
[12:47] <Mrnerd> http://pastebin.com/CfTrP1p3
[12:54] <Mrnerd> anyone??
[13:00] <pmcgowan> Mrnerd: hi whats up
[13:00] <Mrnerd> hey
[13:00] <Mrnerd> http://pastebin.com/CfTrP1p3
[13:01] <Mrnerd> i keep getting this error I fixed it before its really simple.. i thought i fixed it but i guess i didnt
[13:01] <Mrnerd> i cant remember what i was told to  do to fixi t
[13:02] <pmcgowan> who helped you last time? ogra_^^
[13:03] <Namidairo> "/home/mrnerdisg0d/"
[13:03]  * Namidairo facepalms
[13:03] <Mrnerd> i cant remember.
[13:03] <Namidairo> guess what
[13:03] <Namidairo> this channel is logged
[13:04] <pmcgowan> right
[13:04] <Mrnerd> good luck finding it.
[13:04] <Mrnerd> where is it logged at?
[13:04] <Namidairo> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[13:16] <Mrnerd> my bad guys.
[13:16] <Mrnerd> phone started acting up.
[13:24] <Mrnerd> thanks namidairo
[13:24] <Mrnerd> thanks pmcgowan
[13:25] <ogra_> sergiusens, whats holding back phablet-tools from raring ? i will need it for the cdimage android builds
[13:25] <ogra_> (happy to fix whats missing)
[13:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: hmmm... it should be there... let me check!
[13:27] <ogra_> oh,, ignore me :P
[13:27]  * ogra_ should have checked before 
[13:28] <ogra_> i need it in main though
[13:29] <ogra_> sergiusens, awww ... !#/usr/bin/env python ...
[13:30] <ogra_> that needs fixing
[13:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: to what? I'll fix.
[13:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: I just used what autopilot did, and that's in distro
[13:30] <ogra_> the full path to the python interpreter ..
[13:31] <ogra_> really ?
[13:31] <ogra_> thats broken then, distro packages should not use env, else you risk breakage if someone puts his own python into /usr/local
[13:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: makes sense... I'll fix!
[13:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: ah, it's not anymore, disregard
[13:32] <ogra_> but if autopilot changes it i probably miss a policy change, let me ask first
[13:33] <sergiusens> ogra_: no, autopilot is as you said the right way is
[13:34] <ogra_> ah, phew
[13:51] <saber_> hello
[13:52] <saber_> Anyone here ?
[13:52] <saber_> I have a question, about the android devices supported by Ubuntu
[13:53] <saber_> why the ubuntu community focus on devices made by google. All the devices are from "Nexus" family.
[13:53] <saber_> ?
[13:53] <janimo> saber_, they are much easier to work with
[13:53] <ogra_> because you dont need to (potentially illegally) root them
[13:53] <janimo> easy to unlock, impossible to brick, widely available and not too expensive without a contract
[13:54] <ogra_> they are completely open
[13:54] <mhall119> saber_: the Nexus devices were made for things like this
[13:54] <Mirv> saber_: that said, the community focus is everywhere, there are tens of community projects around https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices (and yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install only lists nexus)
[13:54] <janimo> saber_, and the aim of the project is to develop Ubuntu Touch, so the exact device used is of secondary importance
[13:54] <Mirv> but nexus family is the most obvious to work with
[13:54] <janimo> hence going with easiest
[13:54] <ogra_> note that in the US rooting your phone is illegal since a few weeks
[13:55] <ogra_> there is a new law in place
[13:55] <janimo> ogra_, I think that is about unlocking (using a carrier different from the one yuo bought the phone with)
[13:55] <ogra_> i thought that included rooting
[13:55] <mhall119> there seems to be some confusion around that
[13:55] <ogra_> ah, k
[13:56] <mhall119> honestly I don't know the details either
[13:56] <janimo> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Basic_concepts
[13:56] <saber_> I see now, I wonder if there a development difficulties related to drivers of the mobiles .??
[13:56] <janimo> rooting and carrier unlocking and botloader unlocking, indeed confusing terminology
[14:01] <saber_> Thank you a lot for those information. I have one last question, how may I participate in the development of this OS ?
[14:04] <rickspencer3> hi saber_ there are lots of ways to participate
[14:04] <rickspencer3> what are you good at, what do you like to do?
[14:04]  * rickspencer3 wonders if he missed some context
[14:05] <janimo> rickspencer3, you did not AFAICT
[14:05] <Mirv> rsalveti: FYI from my point of view qt5-beta-proper is ready to be copied, although it can be done on Monday as well. I wrote to mailing lists earlier that I'd let people know when we're doing the copying, but I don't know yet...
[14:06] <Mirv> rsalveti: but I guess you'll first continue to do some testing with qt5-beta-proper anyhow.
[14:07] <saber_> I like programming
[14:09] <rickspencer3> saber_, like programming apps? kernel hacking?
[14:10] <saber_> rickspencer3_, I'm using programming apps for android, but I want to start with kernel hacking with ubuntu, if it is possible of course
[14:10] <saber_> rickspencer3_, I'm used to programming apps for android, but I want to start with kernel hacking with ubuntu, if it is possible of course
[14:11] <rickspencer3> saber_, well, one area that would help a lot is making apps with the sdk
[14:11] <rickspencer3> and contributing to the sdk
[14:11] <rickspencer3> saber_, http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[14:13] <ogra_> saber_, if you want to do kernel hacking you could start with doing a port to your favorite device https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[14:13] <janimo> saber_, there are plenty of bugs in the various kernels used in Ubuntu. so a lot of opportunities to contribute, but I would also advise writing QML apps, porting your android ones and giving feedback
[14:13] <saber_> rickspencer3_ thank you a lot
[14:13] <janimo> working on the kernel is much more frustrating and has lesser impact on endusers
[14:13] <saber_> ogra_ thank you a lot
[14:14] <janimo> unless you do it full time
[14:14] <ogra_> janimo, btw, are you a "Ranger" now ?
[14:15] <ogra_> :)
[14:15]  * ogra_ just saw the mail :)
[14:15] <janimo> ogra_, so I read
[14:16] <ogra_> thats the US variant of a canadian montie, right ? :)
[14:16]  * ogra_ wonders if jani has to wear uniform and moustache 
[14:16] <ogra_> *mountie
[14:17] <saber_> I like rangers, good luck Janimo_
[14:17] <saber_> Thank you every body, hope to see you soon, bye ;)
[14:20] <janimo> ogra_, for me Ranger implies Chuck Norris
[14:20] <janimo> not the canadian mounted police
[14:21] <janimo> or the Glasgow Rangers
[14:22] <ogra_> OOOH !
[14:23] <ogra_> chucknorrisified !
[14:53] <tetractys> hi there :) i'm trying to install ubuntu mobile on a nexus 4 just unlocked (not rooted!) but the command 'phablet-flash -l' after pushing just downloaded the quantal-preinstalled-* on sdcard, tell me: adbd cannot run as root in production builds
[14:53] <tetractys> how workaround that?
[14:53] <tetractys> cwm+root?
[14:54] <agcalamitaITA> Can yu not use phablet-flash -b
[14:55] <tetractys> nexus4 was booted
[14:55] <tetractys> so no -b switch...
[14:55] <agcalamitaITA> If it's booted to Android then run -- phablet-flash -b -l
[14:55] <tetractys> ok. ty. i'll try
[14:56] <agcalamitaITA> Once it's bootstrapped once, you can then run phablet-flash -l to install the latest daily build
[14:57] <tetractys> yep. at the moment it's downloading quantal-preinstalled-system-armel+mako.img
[14:57] <tetractys> :)
[14:57] <tetractys> i got it
[14:57] <tetractys> hehe
[15:03] <agcalamitaITA> tetractys: Sounds about right!
[15:03] <thomnico> latest daily build give me black screen at boot on nexus 7 ... any clue ?
[15:04] <agcalamitaITA> You deleted /data partition and tried again?
[15:04] <thomnico> tried but failed
[15:04] <agcalamitaITA> Failed deleting it or faield after?
[15:04] <thomnico> had to revert to earlier version
[15:05] <thomnico> failed after
[15:05] <thomnico> even tried the full process (reflashing android) then -b -l
[15:07] <rickspencer3> hey pmcgowan or bfiller is there a place where I can see what changed in the phablet image each day?
[15:08] <rickspencer3> so I know what to try and stuff?
[15:08] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3: yes there is the change log
[15:08] <pmcgowan> hang on
[15:08] <rickspencer3> thanks pmcgowan
[15:08] <pmcgowan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled.changelog
[15:08] <tetractys> @agcalamitaITA: after (i can imagine) the installation of just generated 'autodeploy.zip' , nexus4 restars but screen remain blank. how to wipe /data?
[15:09] <pmcgowan> pretty sparse today and it broke the build :(
[15:09] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, so I shouldn't update today?
[15:10] <rickspencer3> I wonder if I can add a feature to the qt-creator plugin that displays the days change log
[15:10] <rickspencer3> that would be cool
[15:10] <rickspencer3> and maybe also displays the status of the build so you know if you should update
[15:10] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3: wait for the rebuild, the fix was already made
[15:11] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, will do
[15:11] <pmcgowan> it was trivial but broke startup
[15:11] <rickspencer3> ack
[15:11] <tetractys> please, can anyone remember me the method for wiping /data?
[15:12] <agcalamitaITA> Can you access it over adb
[15:12] <tetractys> yep bu as user ($) not as root (#)
[15:13] <tetractys> ...
[15:13] <tetractys> adb shell -> $ prompt
[15:14] <tetractys> sorry but i have to leave. thank you for your advices.
[15:14] <tetractys> see you all soon.
[15:45] <llusato> hello, to run ubuntu phone do I need an cortex a9 processor or can it be an A15 processor?
[15:48] <llusato> I mean, ubuntu only runs on Cortex A9 processors or can run in Cortex A15 or A7 processors?
[15:48] <pmcgowan> llusato: it can run on A15
[15:48] <omac> does anyone here have an advent vega(aka p10an01 aka Viewsonic Viewpad 10s aka Nvidia Shuttle)?
[15:48] <llusato> ok and in A7?
[15:49] <janimo> rsalveti, found the issue with cm-.zip with ogra's help. I was calling brunch full_mako-userdebug
[15:49] <janimo> instead of brunch mako
[15:49] <janimo> I thought using the options presented by the lunch menu are the ones to be used
[15:49] <llusato> many thanks and a last question can ubuntu run on an A7 Cortex processor?
[15:50] <rsalveti> janimo: oh, right
[15:50] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: we dont run on A7 anymore do we
[15:50] <rsalveti> well, the A7 is the new one for big.LITTLE
[15:50] <rsalveti> which is armv7 compatible
[15:50] <rsalveti> the naming is quite a mess I must say
[15:50] <omac> I'm getting closer to repeating the build for VEGABEAN(CM10.1) for Advent Vega.  This is my first step before tweaking it for Ubuntu-touch stuff.
[15:50] <janimo> rsalveti, it is confusing that one has the options cm_mako and the other two as well
[15:51] <rsalveti> we're compatible with the armv7 instruction set (cortex-a8 and cortex-a9)
[15:51] <rsalveti> also compatible with A7 and A15 based cpus, which are part of big.little
[15:52] <llusato> so theoretically ubuntu can also run on Cortex A7 processors isn't it?
[15:52] <omac> http://forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/69585-vegabean-android-jellybean-advent-vega-aka-p10an01-aka-nvidia-shuttle-aka-viewsonic-viewpad-10s/#entry382167
[15:52] <rsalveti> yup, the instruction set for A7 and A15 are the same
[15:53] <llusato> ok many thanks
[15:53] <llusato> so if I but an MTK processor which is a Cortex A7 processor should be supported by Ubuntu, isn't it?
[15:54] <omac> nvidia's kernel is built with hardfp for cardhu(tegra3) and ventana(tegra2).  I'm still unsure if hardfp can be done for older generation harmony(tegra250), but it seems so.  Can someone here confirm this?
[15:54] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: of course right
[15:56] <omac> Someone built an ubuntu 11.04 for Advent Vega in 2011, but it's armel(softfp) not armhf(hardfp).
[15:56] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: soon we'll have A53, A58, whatever more weird naming ARM can come with
[15:56] <omac> By extension, that's why I believe getting ubuntu touch on this tablet should be doable.
[15:56] <pmcgowan> right just learned about those a while back
[15:56] <llusato> it's quite confusing because in ubuntu phone webpage they say that the low-end phones will run just on Cortex A9 processors, but now I see it can also run on Cortex A7 and A15 processors.
[15:57] <rsalveti> hahah
[15:57] <pmcgowan> that was intended to use A9 as a lower end processor example
[15:57] <rsalveti> it's because cortex A7 is more recent than A9
[15:57] <pmcgowan> not a restriction
[15:57] <rsalveti> which is a pain indeed
[15:58] <llusato> :-)
[15:58] <rsalveti> A7 should be better an A8 and A9
[15:58] <rsalveti> *than
[15:58] <llusato> ok thanks again for you explanation
[15:59] <llusato> its clearer now
[15:59] <rsalveti> Mirv: you mean copying them to the proper ppa?
[15:59] <rsalveti> Mirv: I thought we'd just use the preparation ppa instead
[15:59] <rsalveti> as copying can take a while
[15:59] <rsalveti> but if you still want to keep the preparation ppa for other work, we can indeed copy them over to the proper ppa
[15:59] <llusato> so A7 should be better than an A8 and A9? isn't it?
[16:00] <rsalveti> yup
[16:00] <cyphermox> rsalveti: found it, I had a typo in the email addy
[16:00] <rsalveti> we have quad core A7 :-)
[16:00] <llusato> ok thanks.
[16:00] <llusato> bye
[16:00] <llusato> :-)
[16:00] <rsalveti> cyphermox: :-)
[16:01] <llusato> so Ubuntu could run on most of the ARM processors
[16:02] <llusato> thanks good job keep on you're in the right way
[16:02] <omac> I'm still having an annoying build error, but most of it is building now.   I wish I had more verbose from brunch shuttle.  It sucks for me at present because I don't know which 'src' directory is not found in the error.
[16:05] <rsalveti> llusato: yeah, we're just incompatible with armv5 and armv6 based cpus
[16:08] <llusato> ok. thanks and bye!
[16:13] <jair>  /exit
[16:28] <rsalveti> sergiusens:  qml-phone-shell : Depends: libunity-core-6.0-5 (>= 4.14.2) but it is not going to be installed
[16:28] <rsalveti> image build failed
[16:28] <rsalveti> probably because of the new unity stuff
[16:28] <rsalveti> Saviq: ^
[16:28] <Saviq> rsalveti, I'm trying here
[16:29] <sergiusens> rsalveti: so build is failing...
[16:30] <sergiusens> Saviq: now that you are here, any reason for needing unity?
[16:30] <Saviq> rsalveti, that's quantal?
[16:30] <Saviq> sergiusens, UnityCore
[16:30] <rsalveti> Saviq: yup
[16:30] <Saviq> rsalveti, hmm, everything should be built there
[16:31] <Saviq> sergiusens, we're considering extracting UnityCore from unity, potentially even putting it with our own code
[16:31] <Saviq> sergiusens, it makes no sens to build bamf and unity just for the sake of having UnityCore
[16:32] <Saviq> sergiusens, but for now I'm just trying to bump all the needed packages
[16:32] <rsalveti> Saviq: could be because unity is still building
[16:32] <Saviq> rsalveti, yeah probably
[16:32] <Saviq> rsalveti, it's just waiting to be published
[16:33] <rsalveti> Saviq: cool, will trigger another build then
[16:33] <rsalveti> Saviq: did you just rebase the version or the code as well?
[16:33] <rsalveti> just wondering about any possible regression we might have
[16:34] <Saviq> rsalveti, no, just version bump
[16:34] <rsalveti> Saviq: cool
[16:35] <Saviq> rsalveti, I'm not courageous enough to rebase unity...
[16:35] <sergiusens> Saviq: ok, because it fails for raring
[16:35] <rsalveti> Saviq: right, we'll need to do that for s though
[16:35] <Saviq> sergiusens, after bamf builds it shouldn't
[16:35] <sergiusens> Saviq: ah, ok
[16:35] <Saviq> rsalveti, sergiusens when we extract UnityCore we should be fine again
[16:36] <rsalveti> Saviq: right, cool
[16:36] <sergiusens> Saviq: what's the timeframe for that?
[16:37] <Saviq> sergiusens, early next week
[16:37] <Saviq> sergiusens, I just wanted a quick'n'dirty fix now
[16:39] <sergiusens> Saviq: ok, I'll wait for unity for raring next week and focus on nux and friends
[16:40] <Saviq> sergiusens, it should build in the PPA for raring as soon as bamf builds, so then we can bump qml-phone-shell
[16:40] <Saviq> sergiusens, and we should be good temporarily
[16:41] <Saviq> sergiusens, and we don't need nux for raring in the ppa, distro is godo
[16:41] <Saviq> good
[16:42] <wanvo> Hi all
[16:43] <wanvo> I have a problem with install ubuntu touch
[16:43] <wanvo> after deployed, my nexus 4 is booted to black screen
[16:44] <wanvo> I follow the intructions and " try wiping the /data partition on your device and redeploy"
[16:44] <wanvo> but how to redeploy ?
[16:45] <rsalveti> wanvo: with current daily?
[16:45] <rsalveti> it's broken, we're trying to fix it
[16:46] <sergiusens> wanvo: rsalveti adding the phablet-team/ppa and updating will probably fix it now that ubuntu-session is done
[16:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: true
[16:46] <rsalveti> or just creating /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session/logs
[16:47] <wanvo> phablet-flash -b -l
[16:47] <wanvo> I install follow that command
[16:47] <sergiusens> wanvo: doesn't matter how you installed ;-)
[16:48] <sergiusens> wanvo: we are telling you, you can either wait or update the package :-)
[16:48] <wanvo> ok, So how can I do ?
[16:49] <sergiusens> wanvo: is this your first time with ubuntu? If not, just add the phablet-team ppa and apt-get update/upgrade from an adb shell into the ubuntu chroot
[16:49] <sergiusens> wanvo: or wait ~1hour and rinse and repeat what you did
[16:49]  * sergiusens thinks it might be 2 hours
[16:49] <sergiusens> wanvo: or install yesterdays build
[16:49] <wanvo> I'm running update
[16:50] <wanvo> :D, nothing for new update package
[16:50] <wanvo> How to install "yesterdays build"
[16:53] <wanvo> Thanks all, maybe I will try in next days, my nexus 4 is in bootloader screen :(
[16:55] <rsalveti> well, you can try yesterday's build with phablet-flash -u http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130321/
[16:56] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: awe I just got a call from 0000000000
[16:57] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: hm, probably hidden number
[16:58] <sergiusens> Saviq: are you creating a new launchpad project to host the unity piece you are extracting?
[16:58] <sergiusens> Saviq: if yes, and already have a name for it, I can look into creating the jenkins build jobs today
[16:59] <rsalveti> boiko: awe: did we ever investigate how to deal with hidden numbers when dealing with calls?
[16:59] <rsalveti> pmcgowan just got a call from 0000000000
[16:59] <sergiusens> rsalveti: feels like a phone from 10 years ago!
[17:00] <boiko> rsalveti: so, we have some code in phone-app for that, unknown and private numbers are identified by -1 and -2 (-2 and -1, don't really remember)
[17:01] <boiko> rsalveti: but the implementation in telepathy-ofono is probably missing, does ofono have special flags for those?
[17:02] <jair> excuse me all, is there an image I can install on a Samsung galaxy S III (SCH-I535)?
[17:02] <rsalveti> boiko: not sure, would need to investigate that
[17:02] <jair> I am really interested in testing it and using it on this phone.
[17:03] <rsalveti> just curious about why 00000
[17:03] <rsalveti> might be the way rild is doing hidden numbers
[17:03] <boiko> rsalveti: might be
[17:04] <Saviq> sergiusens, nah, we'll see next week
[17:06] <rsalveti> boiko: added as a wi at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-telephony-stack
[17:06] <Anidel> hi everyone...
[17:06] <boiko> rsalveti: nice! thanks
[17:08] <Anidel> sorry to come here just for help, but anyone's having issues with their phone not starting up on Ubuntu Touch ? On mine it used to work, then I used QtCreator interface to flash daily image and since then, it won't start in Ubuntu anymore.
[17:08] <Anidel> I can flash it back to Android fine, but can't restart it in Ubuntu at all.
[17:08] <janimo> rsalveti, any idea why flashing a recent daily with autodeploy.zip results in lack of GUI? I realized my device not booting was just a daily I downloaded two days ago. With the 95 build as used by flash-tools it works
[17:09] <janimo> using the same system.img (this is on mako now)
[17:09] <Anidel> ah I see it seems normal with latest daily ? :)
[17:09] <Anidel> but I'm also flashing with phablet ...
[17:10] <rsalveti> current daily image is broken, a new one should be landing in ~2h
[17:10] <janimo> rsalveti, thanks
[17:10] <sergiusens> janimo: Anidel todays build is broken, a new one is being made
[17:10] <rsalveti> meanwhile you can enable the ppa and update the packages or simply flash yesterday's image
[17:10] <Anidel> allright...but phablet is also downloading latest one?
[17:10] <rsalveti> janimo: but you said a previous one didn't work for you
[17:10] <janimo> sergiusens, rsalveti but I had the same with an image downloaded earlier this week
[17:11] <janimo> so may be a different issue
[17:11] <rsalveti> janimo: from 95 we might have changes at platform-api and hybris
[17:11] <janimo> still, using 95/ works
[17:11] <janimo> but I am using a system.img built from sources synced yesterday
[17:11] <rsalveti> janimo: can you check the bzr revs of your platform-api and hybris branches/
[17:11] <rsalveti> ?
[17:11] <sergiusens> janimo: black screen is the effect for many causes
[17:12] <rsalveti> janimo: logcat will usually tell you more, but I believe you'll probably see a segfault at ubuntuappmanager and qml-phone-shell
[17:12] <rsalveti> it seems we broke the api compatibility with the latest changes at platform-api
[17:12] <janimo> platform- version 0.18 (rev 44)
[17:12] <janimo> hybris revno 123
[17:13] <janimo> rsalveti, ^
[17:13] <rsalveti> janimo: hm, latest for both
[17:13] <rsalveti> janimo: mind pasting your logcat?
[17:14] <janimo> rsalveti,  a moment
[17:16] <janimo> rsalveti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5637562/
[17:18] <rsalveti> janimo: hm, seems the ubuntu container wasn't even started
[17:18] <rsalveti> no message from hybris or ubuntuappmanager at all
[17:19] <janimo> rsalveti, I'll flash the working image and compare logcats
[17:21] <rsalveti> janimo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5637572/
[17:21] <rsalveti> from mako
[17:22] <rsalveti> janimo: see that there are quite a few other messages related with the ubuntuappmanager
[17:22] <rsalveti> also suggest to try to initialize the container by hand to see what happens
[17:22] <janimo> rsalveti, ubuntu_chroot shell you mean?
[17:23] <Anidel> sergiusens: yup thanks!
[17:24] <rsalveti> janimo: that to check if the files are correctly in place, but without any argument to start upstart
[17:24] <rsalveti> just ubuntu_chroot
[17:26] <janimo> rsalveti, root@android:/ # ubuntu_chroot
[17:26] <janimo> mount: Device or resource busy
[17:26] <janimo> swapon: /data/ubuntu/SWAP.swap: Device or resource busy
[17:26] <janimo> then it rebooted
[17:27] <janimo> rsalveti, I'll test the new image in 2 h, in the meantime will try the tf101 again with the known good image
[17:27] <rsalveti> janimo: hm, then it was probably up already
[17:27] <rsalveti> janimo: just check with ps to see if can identify any upstart or ubuntu related service
[17:27] <rsalveti> if so, then the container is up correctly
[17:29] <rsalveti> janimo: right, ok
[17:32] <dholbach> rsalveti, sergiusens: what do you think about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/wingray#Redistributability?
[17:33] <janimo> rsalveti, /system/bin/ubuntuappmanager is running accoring to ps
[17:33] <janimo> the only service that look ubuntuish is NetworkManager
[17:34] <janimo> the rest of the daemons nare rooted in /system/bin
[17:34] <janimo> /usr/bin/powerd may be another that is up
[17:38] <rsalveti> dholbach: let me see
[17:39] <rsalveti> janimo: so it seems the container is up
[17:39] <rsalveti> might be due ubuntu-session then
[17:39] <rsalveti> lets try again with the newer image once it's out
[17:42] <rsalveti> dholbach: non-commercial redistribution of the Authorized Android Enabled Device Software (the "Limited Purpose"). You may grant your end users the right to use the Software for the Limited Purpose.
[17:43] <rsalveti> seems we're good
[17:43] <rsalveti> let me check the original license file
[17:43]  * dholbach dances the samba
[17:43] <rsalveti> oh, didn't know the binaries were available at the google website
[17:44] <rsalveti> guess they can probably fit at the same model as we have for the nexus based devices
[17:44] <rsalveti> and we can also start producing it as well
[17:45] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ogra_: pmcgowan: seems we can enable the build for Motorola Xoom as well
[17:45] <rsalveti> do we want to land it together with the other images at cdimage?
[17:46] <ogra_> do we want to support it ?
[17:46] <rsalveti> ogra_: I don't see why not (community support)
[17:47] <ogra_> ok
[17:47] <ogra_> i didnt think we wanted to actually do community builds
[17:47] <pmcgowan> nice
[17:47] <pmcgowan> as long as the distribution stuff is clear
[17:47] <ogra_> since once we have like 50 community supported devices building an image will take a day or so
[17:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, we could provide at least a way to build and share them
[17:48] <rsalveti> we cannot have 50 supported devices unfortunately
[17:48] <ogra_> i would add all the code to git but not do regulatr builds
[17:48] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: yeah, seems we can distribute them just like the nexus ones
[17:48]  * ogra_ is just concerned by raising build times with each port we roll an image for)
[17:49] <rsalveti> maybe we could build it separately from the others, not sure
[17:49] <ogra_> "if you support motorola xoom, why don't you support my xperia Z ?"
[17:49] <rsalveti> it's just that this is the first case of a community oriented build that we can actually build and deploy like we do for the nexus devices
[17:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: can we distribute the files?
[17:50] <ogra_> if we commit to roll images for community supported image we eventually need to do it for all of them
[17:50] <rsalveti> that's the main question and concern around the other devices
[17:50] <ogra_> well, my main concern is that a build already takes 1h now
[17:50] <ogra_> for four device types only
[17:50] <rsalveti> sure, ~20 mins per flavour
[17:51] <rsalveti> that's we could think about doing that separately
[17:51] <ogra_> so 200min for 40 devices ...
[17:51] <rsalveti> we will not have 40 devices...
[17:51] <rsalveti> it'd be awesome if we could though
[17:51] <ogra_> we have 40 "kind of works" ports on the list
[17:51] <ogra_> or so ... i didnt actually count
[17:52] <ogra_> but there is a lot
[17:52] <rsalveti> sure, but I'd think we cannot distribute images for them due legal restrictions
[17:52] <rsalveti> it's almost impossible to find devices which allow us to distribute binaries
[17:52] <ogra_> ok
[17:52] <rsalveti> this is the first case :-)
[17:53] <mhall119> ogra_: I don't think we'd need to support all community builds
[17:53] <mhall119> just like not all Ubuntu flavors become official ones
[17:53] <ogra_> no, but people will ask "why is my port not supported" once we go beyond the nexus set
[17:53] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: boiko I did a test where I blocked my incoming number, and the nexus did not even display the call
[17:54] <mhall119> our resources are limited, people understand that, so we can pick which ones will give the most benefit with the resources we have
[17:54] <mhall119> ogra_: yup, they will
[17:54] <ogra_> if there are legal restrictions we indeed cant build them
[17:54] <mhall119> yes, if we legally can't then we can't
[17:54] <boiko> pmcgowan: yes, well, rsalveti is going to investigate that in the ofono level
[17:55] <ogra_> but i suspect of the ~40 devices there will be more that have no legal issues
[17:55] <pmcgowan> boiko: I saw two behaviors, a random call from 000, and my blocked call which did not even get answered
[17:55] <ogra_> will we start building for them too ?
[17:55] <mhall119> ogra_: but if we can legally distribute, and we have the resources to build and distribute some communty ports, then we should do that
[17:55] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: interesting, but yet, we never investigated this behavior at the ofono level
[17:55] <ogra_> tahts my point,  each port we roll adds 20min
[17:56] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti I say we build community ones in a different path? Also make phablet tools force you to add --comunity so it's clear perhaps
[17:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: maybe
[17:56] <ogra_> i dont care about the naming
[17:56] <dholbach> sergiusens, why "--community"?
[17:56] <rsalveti> but we could build them using jenkins for example
[17:56] <ogra_> but i woould like to be able to just run "build" on the build server and have all images come out at the rear end
[17:56] <rsalveti> and the "official ones" via cdimage
[17:57] <dholbach> if it's distributable it'd be great if we did that
[17:57] <ogra_> no
[17:57] <sergiusens> dholbach: if it breaks, we are not in urge to fix... not sayning won't fix, just not in _urge_
[17:57] <ogra_> rsalveti, that defetas the purpose ...
[17:57] <dholbach> sergiusens, we could print a disclaimer for some of the devices
[17:57] <rsalveti> ogra_: not necessarily
[17:57] <dholbach> say something like "this is not development focus, yada yada yada"
[17:57] <ogra_> all should come from the same builder so we dont run into environmental differences
[17:57] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti can't use jenkins for external, IS won't allow it
[17:57] <rsalveti> we just want to help people bringing new ports, and providing a build infra might be enough, if we don't want to affect the other images from cdimage for example
[17:57] <sergiusens> sorry s/external/distribution
[17:57] <ogra_> sergiusens, phew
[17:58] <ogra_> rsalveti, i understand that and i dont want to be a blocker
[17:58] <ogra_> but i thihnk we should have a plan before blindly starting to add images
[17:58] <dholbach> ogra_, yeah stop blocking! :-P
[17:58] <rsalveti> ogra_: sure, that's why we're discussing it here :-)
[17:58] <ogra_> :)
[17:58] <rsalveti> to try to identify a plan :-)
[17:58] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti I can create a new build job out of band from the nexus line
[17:59] <sergiusens> rsalveti: create a blueprint ;-)
[17:59] <ogra_> one more wont harm but i expect there to be more
[17:59] <sergiusens> rsalveti: and a session :-)
[17:59] <dholbach> if the number of devices which have redistributable blogs is very limited anyway....
[17:59] <ogra_> sergiusens, :P
[17:59] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah
[17:59]  * ogra_ has no prob if someone distributes his blog :P
[18:00] <dholbach> bah
[18:00] <dholbach> long day
[18:00] <rsalveti> sergiusens: will create the bp and put you as assignee :P
[18:00]  * sergiusens 's blog is on github, can be forked :-P
[18:00] <ogra_> rsalveti, add it ... i'll think about how to do it on cdimage
[18:00] <sergiusens> rsalveti: sure
[18:00] <dholbach> yeeeeehaw
[18:00] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I can fill in the gaps, but no idea how to create those beasts
[18:00] <ogra_> sergiusens, be careful with "forking" ...  think of pycon
[18:00] <rsalveti> oh dear
[18:00] <rsalveti> friday
[18:00] <ogra_> :)
[18:00]  * sergiusens doesn't want to be fired
[18:00] <sergiusens> :-P
[18:00] <ogra_> dongleforked ...
[18:01] <dholbach> ogra is the king of trolls
[18:01] <ogra_> or was it forkdongled
[18:01]  * dholbach hugs ogra
[18:01] <sergiusens> yeah, feels like a friday :-)
[18:01] <dholbach> let
[18:01] <dholbach> let's move on to other things :)
[18:01] <ogra_> must be
[18:02] <Anidel> indeed...and it's time to go. Thanks for you help before guys. Ttyl.
[18:02] <ogra_> rsalveti, sergiusens so first just add the code ... i'l make sure once we're on cdimage we'll have the "additional builds" run in a separate time window
[18:02] <rsalveti> yup
[18:02]  * rsalveti creating a blueprint for it
[18:02] <ogra_> nah
[18:02] <ogra_> dont add extra paperwork
[18:03] <ogra_> we have enough
[18:03] <gigglefight> it may have been asked many times before... ubuntu touch and touchscreen notebook device install instruction. please kindly direct me thanks.
[18:03] <sergiusens> gigglefight: it's in the /topic ;)
[18:03] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install ...
[18:04] <gigglefight> :) thanks kindly. got it! :)
[18:06] <dholbach> rsalveti, who's going to do the team report next week?
[18:06] <dholbach> rsalveti, once you send it I'll make sure to publish it on the ubuntudev accounts
[18:09] <doubletwist> Anyone working on getting touch working on a trasformer prime [tf201]?
[18:09] <ogra_> check the device list on the wiki
[18:10] <doubletwist> it's not on the list
[18:10] <ogra_> (see topic)
[18:10] <doubletwist> Thought there might be pointer to someone/somewhere else it might be getting worked on
[18:10] <ogra_> well, you could look at the xda forums ... if there isnt anyone either, then i guess nobody works on it
[18:12] <gigglefight> i love the look of ubuntu touch on adb device would there be a way to have that on a touchscreen device that is non-adb? and where would i find its how to?
[18:13] <rsalveti> dholbach: ogra_: sergiusens: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-sponsoring-community-touch-builds
[18:13] <rsalveti> dholbach: not sure, will send an email asking for volunteers
[18:13] <rsalveti> sergiusens: hint hint
[18:13] <rsalveti> :P
[18:14] <sergiusens> rsalveti: team report?
[18:14] <ogra_> rsalveti, bah
[18:14] <sergiusens> dholbach: when is it due?
[18:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: so now you can track the WI :P
[18:14] <rsalveti> sergiusens: I'm doing for this week, need a volunteer for next one
[18:14] <dholbach> sergiusens, the idea was to get it out every end of the week
[18:16] <dholbach> we can probably use the same format and use rsalveti's tool
[18:19] <sergiusens> dholbach: ack, is tomorrow ok?
[18:20] <dholbach> sergiusens, it looks like rsalveti is covering this week already
[18:20] <surgemcgee> Whats the best way to debug a "Program finished unexpectantly" error? This error appears when I switch between a three tab layout. There isn't any freaky code anywhere. Is there a method in QtCreator?
[18:20] <dholbach> sergiusens, next week would be yours then :)
[18:20] <allancd> hi there, i'm looking for some help installing ubuntu touch onto my nexus 10
[18:20] <dholbach> allancd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[18:21] <sergiusens> dholbach: ack... but next week is very short ;-)
[18:21] <dholbach> oh yeah?
[18:21] <rsalveti> sergiusens: you can do at the other monday then
[18:21] <allancd> yeah i followed that but after doing the steps it got into a continual loop whereby it would show the google text image and then just go black
[18:21] <allancd> i've tried wiping data and cache to no avail
[18:22] <dholbach> ^ did anyone have the same problem as allancd - allancd: that was with today's image?
[18:22] <allancd> yeah i "phablet-flash"-ed it about 10 mins ago
[18:23] <pmcgowan> the morning image is broken
[18:23] <pmcgowan> there is one building now
[18:23] <pmcgowan> allancd: you can fix it by making a directory at .ubuntu-session/logs or wait for the update
[18:23] <dholbach> thanks pmcgowan, allancd: ^
[18:24] <allancd> how would i go about doing the former
[18:25] <sergiusens> rsalveti: other Monday and Tuesday I am out
[18:25] <allancd> or should I just reinstall android and then wait for the update
[18:26] <thisguy_> can anybody help me out. I don't see local manifest file. I'm done repo syncing but all i see is manifext.xml not a local manifest file. Unless they are the same thing
[18:26] <ogra_> they are
[18:28] <surgemcgee> Is it copyrighted?
[18:30] <pmcgowan> allancd: get an adb shell, ubuntu_chroot shell then mkdir
[18:32] <thisguy_> oh okay somebody told me they was different. Thanks and when it says update your local manifest are they saying open manifest.xml and then add in your lines in? I ask all this because I'm trying to port it to the evo v/3d cdma but i think i did it all wrong because it wouldn't make a image
[18:32] <ogra_> yes, you edit manifest.xml and then call repo sync
[18:33] <ogra_> after you added the right lines for your device
[18:34] <thisguy_> alright I shall go do that now. hopefully no more mess ups
[18:38] <allancd> i'm a bit stuck - i've booted into recovery, opened up a terminal and typed adb shell which has worked
[18:38] <allancd> but i dont know how to ubuntu_chroot shell
[18:41] <pmcgowan> allancd: sorry you can let it boot normally, while the UI did not display the system does boot
[18:41] <ogra_> allancd, well, in the shel you type exactly that
[18:41] <ogra_> *shell
[18:41] <allancd> yeah it just says ubuntu_chroot not found
[18:41] <ogra_> oh, but right, what pmcgowan said, you need to be in the normal system
[18:41] <ogra_> with the black screen
[18:42] <allancd> ah right, it doesnt let me get that far - i'm gonna reinstall android, reinstall ubuntu and then try this
[18:42] <allancd> cheers
[18:45] <doubletwist> hahaha
[18:49] <allancd> ok so now when i try to flash-all.sh it just hangs on waiting on device
[18:49] <allancd> any advice
[18:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: keeping parallel builds for the indicators stuff isn't going to be easy
[18:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: should we deal with them separately then?
[18:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, I'm also delegating code fixes to renato_ ;-)
[18:54] <allancd> managed to get it to flash android - seemed to not register on my pc being in fastboot mode on occasion
[18:55] <ogra_> allancd, try re-pluggin the cable
[18:55] <allancd> yeah i got it now thanks
[18:55] <rsalveti> sergiusens: :-)
[18:55] <allancd> i'll try touch again and let you know how it goes applying the fix
[18:56] <ogra_> allancd, well, the image build should be ready soon
[18:56] <ogra_> so i would just wait
[18:58] <allancd> ok cool will just hold off then
[19:01] <allancd> cheers for the help anyway
[19:10] <onamae> I'm booting into a black screen, so how do I wipe the /data partition on my galaxy nexus (maguro)?
[19:10] <ogra_> onamae, with todays image ?
[19:10] <onamae> yes
[19:10] <ogra_> there is a bug ...
[19:10] <pmcgowan> we really need a way to mark the image status or take them down
[19:10] <ogra_> create /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session/logs/ and it will magically start working
[19:11] <onamae> I'll try that
[19:11] <ogra_> the code crating that dir is broken, rebuild is in progress
[19:11] <ogra_> *creating
[19:12] <ogra_> pmcgowan, once it is on cdimage only images that passed the autotest will be published as /current
[19:12] <ogra_> its all worked out in WIs already ... just missing implementation (but all due this month)
[19:15] <pmcgowan> ack
[19:27] <onamae> after creating /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session/logs/ it still didn't work, so I ran qml-phone-shell and it looks like it is using the tablet shell
[19:27] <onamae> I also tried rebooting and it still was a black screen
[19:28] <onamae> maybe I should just wait
[19:32] <rsalveti> cyphermox: your last email reply was for me-only, not sure if you also wanted to reply to the ml
[19:33] <rsalveti> I'm not sure if the default reply option is to reply to the ml
[19:37] <cyphermox> Oops.
[19:37] <cyphermox> Yeah, it was meant for the mailing list. I'll resend
[19:44] <rsalveti> onamae: new build some come in minutes
[19:44] <awe> onamae, the easiest way to fix the problem is to just edit the ubuntu-session script directly to create the dir
[19:44] <thisguy> when adding lines into manifest.xml do you go all the way to bottom and add your line in last for instance my line is......  <project path="device/htc/msm8660-common" name="CyanogenMod/android_device_htc_msm8660-common" />
[19:44] <awe> it's in /usr/bin
[19:45] <awe> jus change [ ! -d $logdir ] to [ -d $logdir ]
[19:45] <winb> when connecting my nexus 4, my ubuntu doesnt seem to recognize/mount my device. I am in debug mode
[19:47] <winb> I have followed the guid on the touch-wiki and the device is unlocked
[19:48] <cyphermox> winb you mean in android? On quantal some people have trouble with mtp
[19:52] <winb> cyphermox: ye quantal
[19:54] <cyphermox> It could be a gvfs issue. You tablet is configured for MTP already, and it's not seen or is it erroring when you try to mount or copy files?
[20:01] <davmor2> hey guys todays image seems to of left me at a black screen on the n7  is there anything that can be done other than wait for a new image?
[20:01] <pmcgowan> davmor2: sorry about that
[20:02] <pmcgowan> the easiest way to fix the problem is to just edit the ubuntu-session script directly to create the dir
[20:02] <ogra_> davmor2, my fault :(
[20:02] <pmcgowan>  change [ ! -d $logdir ] to [ -d $logdir ]
[20:02] <ogra_> remove the !
[20:03] <gary_poster> hi.  I have an N10 that someone else flashed for me a day or two ago. I need to try another daily (I can't type the wifi password in with no keyboard) but when I attach the tablet to my computer while the tablet is in the bootloader, adb devices doesn't find the device.  any idea on what to do?
[20:04] <pmcgowan> gary_poster: not sure why its not detecting it, I have seen folks switch usb ports to make it work
[20:04] <onamae> I can't seem to save ubuntu-session with nano, pressing enter seems to be ignored on the save screen. is there another way I can edit that file
[20:04] <pmcgowan> but you should be able to type in a wiwi password with the osk no?
[20:04] <gary_poster> ack pmcgowan will try
[20:04] <awe> onamae, vi
[20:05] <davmor2> pmcgowan, ogra_: I'm sorry I get I need to remove the ! but from where exactly please
[20:06] <ogra_> line 8 iirc
[20:06] <thisguy> what do these lines means?    fatal: Couldn't find remote ref refs/heads/cm-10.1 error: Cannot fetch CyanogenMod/android_device_htc_msm8660-common. i got that after adding my lines into manifest.xml then doing repo sync
[20:06] <pmcgowan> davmor2: you can alos just make the folder
[20:06] <ogra_> [ ! -d $logdir ] || mkdir -p $logdir
[20:09] <awe> pmcgowan, that was tried by onamae and it failed.  It's much easier to just modify the script cause then you don't have to worry about perms
[20:09] <awe> and it's a 1-char change
[20:09] <pmcgowan> awe: thats what I did earlier today
[20:09] <pmcgowan> just made the folder
[20:09] <gary_poster> pmcgowan, no luck, running the gamut of the available ports and fiddling.  I'll try another computer next...
[20:09]  * ogra_ is syncing the new image over to cdimage now
[20:10] <pmcgowan> gary_poster: you said its already got ubuntu touch on it?
[20:10] <gary_poster> pmcgowan, yes
[20:10] <pmcgowan> gary_poster: do you have the latest adb tools?
[20:11] <gary_poster> pmcgowan, I'm on quantal, and I installed the phablet ppa and did the update install dance per the installation instructions
[20:11] <gary_poster> pmcgowan, within the last half hour
[20:11] <pmcgowan> gary_poster: ok sounds right
[20:11] <pmcgowan> maybe restart the adb server
[20:12] <pmcgowan> try an adb kill-server; adb start-server
[20:12] <pmcgowan> thats another case Id seen
[20:12] <gary_poster> k trying
[20:13] <pmcgowan> then plug it in again
[20:14] <gary_poster> pmcgowan, kill-server, [unplug], start-server, [plug]: no luck :-/
[20:14] <pmcgowan> hmm
[20:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: this one *should* be good :-)
[20:14] <rsalveti> we got some other changes, but hopefully it'll not break the image
[20:14] <gary_poster> seeing if I can get the steam-powered laptop to work
[20:15] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[20:15] <ogra_> new image is up
[20:15] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: gary_poster has a deal where adb devices is not seeing his nexus 10 when its in the bootloader
[20:15] <pmcgowan> or is that normal?
[20:15] <onamae> editing the file didn't work for me, I even tried removing /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session in case my original creation of that folder was causing problems
[20:16] <pmcgowan> gary_poster: can you see it when you let it boot into ubuntu?
[20:16] <onamae> if I run ubuntu-session all I see is "Redirecting output to local session logs" and it just exits
[20:16] <davmor2> ogra_: ta
[20:16] <ogra_> thanks for your patience all ... and sorry for the breakage
[20:17] <onamae> I'll try flashing the new image
[20:17] <thisguy> how do i fix this fatal: Couldn't find remote ref refs/heads/cm-10.1 (im porting it to the evo 3d
[20:17] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: adb cannot talk with the bootloader
[20:17] <rsalveti> he needs to use fastboot for that
[20:17] <pmcgowan> yeah took me a minute
[20:17] <pmcgowan> gary_poster: ^^
[20:19]  * sergiusens mentions that it seems that the build is complete and in sync in cdimage, anyone care to try?
[20:19] <gary_poster> rsalveti, pmcgowan, oh!  sorry, misread for the case of already installed.  Will try.  pmcgowan, yes, can see it then, but I guess that's not a surprise now.  Will retry from bootloader...
[20:19] <pmcgowan> vg
[20:20] <rsalveti> sergiusens: downloading
[20:22] <davmor2> sergiusens: installing now
[20:24] <gary_poster> pmcgowan, sudo fastboot devices shows the device.  adb devices still does not see when I am in bootloader (and phablet-flash does not work).  Am I supposed to run phablet-flash while machine is running ubuntu?
[20:24] <pmcgowan> gary_poster: yes
[20:24] <gary_poster> ah! got it.  trying thanks
[20:26] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/nux/glib/+merge/155054
[20:26] <gary_poster> yay, it is doing things
[20:26]  * ogra_ wonders if anyone noticed that he added the legal notice to the cdimage page 
[20:26] <ogra_> now you have to actually scroll to see the images :P
[20:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: I wonder if people read at all ;-) Myself included :-P
[20:27] <ogra_> haha, yeah, i just read it for the first time either :)
[20:28] <ogra_> rsalveti, i guess for the xoom we need to add an additional license URL then
[20:28] <ogra_> since currently we only point to nexus
[20:30] <davmor2> ogra_: there a legal notice
[20:30] <davmor2> s/there/there's
[20:30] <ogra_> :)
[20:38] <davmor2> ogra_ , pmcgowan: Yay! I got a Home screen and everything WooHoo!
[20:39] <ogra_> great
[20:39] <ogra_> !
[20:39] <pmcgowan> hah good
[20:39] <gary_poster> pmcgowan, I'm also all straightened out and on the network.  thanks!
[20:39]  * davmor2 easily pleased
[20:39] <pmcgowan> good stuff
[20:39] <davmor2> night all have a great weekend and thanks for the fix
[20:39] <ogra_> thanks for the test
[20:40] <sergiusens> of bfiller https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/nux/glib/+merge/155054
[20:40] <ogra_> are you secretly sneaking nux and compiz into the phone ?
[20:41] <sergiusens> ogra_: it's already there... for a very small specific thing
[20:41] <sergiusens> ogra_: notify-osd
[20:42] <ogra_> ah
[20:42] <ogra_> wow
[20:42] <ogra_> i didnt know that was woven into nux
[20:42] <sergiusens> ogra_: need it for raring until the thing transitions
[20:42] <ogra_> yep
[20:43] <thisguy> for some reason i cannot do this code to extract the data from my phone   cd device/htc/shooter. when i do adb devices it shows my phone put when i put that code in it says no such file or directory
[20:47] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, it's the way things are until they stop being so ;-)
[20:47] <ogra_> haha
[20:49] <sergiusens> boiko: can you check once CI is done? https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/indicator-messages/g_type_init-guards/+merge/155064 ... hope it doesn't break quantal
[20:54] <davmor2> ogra_ I can use o's to login in again now woohoo.
[20:55] <ogra_> :D
[20:55] <boiko> sergiusens: I would really prefer if renato_ or maybe lars could take it a look (they know GLib way better than I do)
[20:58] <boiko> sergiusens: but in any case, the changes make sense
[21:02] <sergiusens> boiko: :-)
[21:03] <boiko> sergiusens: about the telepathy-logger-qt, yes, it is going to be a problem, as that newer version is a qt4 package and the one we use is qt5
[21:03] <boiko> sergiusens: oh, wait, no, because the binary packages are named telepathy-logger-qt5
[21:04] <boiko> sergiusens: so it is fine for now, but later it would be nice to have the same source package building both the qt4 and qt5 binary packages
[21:05] <sergiusens> boiko: good, if it's not going to be a problem, I'll leave it as an S task
[21:06] <boiko> sergiusens: yep
[21:07] <boiko> sergiusens: I'll approve your MR, the version of GLib in quantal already warns that g_type_init is obsolete
[21:08] <boiko> sergiusens: they can blame me after if it breaks ;)
[21:12] <popey> I flashed my Nexus 7 and it's got a black screen ☹
[21:12] <popey> I did add some packages to test qt 5.0.1 to it earlier but it all broke so I re-flashed it, and now it's just permanently black screen - light on
[21:12] <ogra_> popey, when
[21:13] <popey> so it has image 40 on it
[21:13] <ogra_> the image that cdimage spit our 1h ago should be fine again
[21:13] <ogra_> yeah, 40 was crack ... you can hack the fix in though
[21:13] <ogra_> if you dont want to reflash
[21:13] <popey> meh, 41 is downloading now
[21:13] <ogra_> edit ubuntu-session ... its a 1 char fix
[21:13]  * ogra_ messed it up
[21:14] <popey> 13% [[21:14] <popey> wheeeeee
[21:14] <popey> I'll just flash it ☺
[21:14] <ogra_> envy ....
[21:14] <ogra_> you brits and your fiber
[21:15] <popey> heh
[21:31] <popey> \o/ fixed
[21:33] <ogra_> :)
[21:33] <ogra_> was only one exclamation mark to much in the image
[21:35] <sergiusens> boiko: does it? I could of just removed it :-P
[21:36] <sergiusens> ogra_: entropy of new image was low ;-)
[21:36] <ogra_> :)
[21:40] <popey> hmm, in the latest image otto's contact details overlap "People recently in touch" on the home screen
[21:41] <ogra_> popey, what device ?
[21:41] <popey> N7
[21:41] <ogra_> hmm
[21:45] <sergiusens> popey: screenshot?
[21:45] <popey> kk
[21:45] <sergiusens> popey: if not, I think from what greyback told me once, it's a nasty Qt bug
[21:48] <popey> sergiusens: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-03-22-214652.png
[21:50] <sergiusens> popey: not exactly the thing I used to see... is it 100% reproduceable? (respawn shell?)
[21:51] <popey> bah, reboot and it goes away
[21:52] <ogra_> i was thinking some issue with GRID_UNIT_PX ... but that wouldnt only affect the people stuff
[21:52]  * popey shakes a fist at the gods of qml
[21:52] <ogra_> heh
[21:52] <sergiusens> popey: then it's probably the same thing.... making the lens bounce on the edges also fixed it at times for me
[21:58] <P3T3> AC100 new release with working WiFi: https://phablet-paz00.googlecode.com/files/cm-10.1-20130319-UNOFFICIAL-ac100.zip
[22:04] <winb> man its a pain in the ass to install ubuntu on nexus 4 when on 12.10 because of mtp problems
[22:06] <winb> phablet-flash is not happy with the workaround on mounting my nexus 4
[22:10] <winb> Any ideas?
[22:17] <ogra_> winb, there is some gvfs mtp process that you can kill to quieten it
[22:34] <rickspencer3> hey rsalveti should I go ahead and install the daily now?
[22:36] <rickspencer3> too lat4e
[22:36]  * rickspencer3 updates
[22:44] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: it's good on manta
[22:44] <phretor> has anyone tried UT on Galaxy S3?
[22:45] <rickspencer3> thanks sergiusens
[22:45] <rickspencer3> I'm updating my nexus 7
[22:45] <popey> build 41 is fine rickspencer3
[22:55] <ogra_> phretor, see the devices page on the wiki ( /topic)
[22:56] <phretor> ogra_: officially, I know S3 is unsupported
[22:57] <ogra_> phretor, there is a port afaik ... see the device page
[22:57] <phretor> ogra_: it's marked as WIP
[22:58] <phretor> I'm talking about i9300
[22:58] <onamae> ogra_: just wanted to say the new image works, thanks for the help ogra_ and awe
[22:59] <awe> great!
[23:05] <ogra_> onamae, awesome