[00:07] <redtape|coffee> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -_-
[07:18] <redtape|coffee> Morn-some.
[08:30] <kvarley> Am I allowed to use 'Ubuntu Orange' on my website? I'm not replicating the Ubuntu brand. I just like orange :P
[08:33] <redtape|coffee> yes
[08:34] <popey> of course
[08:34] <popey> morning
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all.
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Happy Friday
[08:46] <redtape|coffee> OT: System 76 guy was on LAShow last week : http://youtu.be/EfYGjcNmeDY?t=24m56s
[08:59] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> yo AlanBell
[09:00]  * TheOpenSourcerer is waiting for his old Volvo to be towed away and destroyed (slowly probably)
[09:00] <popey> awwww
[09:00]  * popey removes his hat
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mrs TheOpenSourcerer is rather sad. We bought that car 10 years ago this month.
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Has been to a lot of interesting places.
[09:01] <popey> Heh, I'll be sad when my volvo dies
[09:02] <AlanBell> bits are falling off my merc
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> But the slightly newer one is much nicer ;-)
[09:02]  * AlanBell had a short ride in the new volvo, it is rather nice
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> It has a "Parrot" and my S3 pairs within fine so I have in-car phone connectivity too
[09:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\within\with it
[09:03] <popey> oh nice
[09:04] <popey> so you can make/receive calls using in car audio stuff?
[09:04] <popey> I have never had a car that had that
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah - it kills the radio and everything!
[09:04] <popey> speaking of bluetooth, i bought an OBD-II thing which is attached to my car now
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Syncs contacts and call logs etc.
[09:04] <redtape|coffee> TheOpenSourcerer, It's not a 900 is it ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_S90#Volvo_960.2FS90.2FV90
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> V70
[09:05] <popey> http://www.amazon.com/Excelvan-Bluetooth-Interface-Scanner-Adapter/dp/B007P14NPU/ref=cm_rdp_product
[09:05] <popey> one of them
[09:05] <redtape|coffee> ooh nice .. that's an accountaning technicians car :D
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> One of these: http://www.parrot.com/uk/support/parrotck3100ck3300ck3500
[09:05] <redtape|coffee> opening..
[09:05] <popey> never seen those
[09:05] <popey> aftermarket thing the previous owner added?
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> But fairly unobtrusive
[09:06] <redtape|coffee> TheOpenSourcerer, I was talking about yar Volvo .. ??
[09:06] <popey> redtape|coffee: so was TheOpenSourcerer
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> redtape|coffee: I wasn't ;-)
[09:06] <popey> then we moved on ☺
[09:07] <redtape|coffee> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_V70
[09:07] <redtape|coffee> I didn't
[09:07] <popey> keep up at the back
[09:07]  * redtape|coffee plays with the wikipedia sideshow...
[09:08] <redtape|coffee> man, I need to log-out .. XChat is slow to say the least today.
[09:09] <redtape|coffee> Talk on that wiki page says some-it 'bot ::: || faulty Electronic Throttle Modules (ETMs)
[09:09] <redtape|coffee> **about..
[09:10] <redtape|coffee> Oh, and OT | but TheOpenSourcerer you have a belgian car :)
[09:11] <redtape|coffee>    "  b) assembled in Ghent, Belgium "
[09:13] <redtape|coffee> TheOpenSourcerer, Have you ever seen these used by the force/emeg. services ?
[09:13] <redtape|coffee> **emergeency services ...  ??
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> huh? The Police use(d) the T5 for years
[09:14] <redtape|coffee> What 'bout the V70 ?
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> The T5 is a V70!
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's the FAST one!
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://www.google.com/search?q=police+volvo+T5
[09:15] <redtape|coffee> oh ... I'll updatev the wiki :)
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> redtape|coffee: http://not2grand.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/volvo-v70-23-t5.html
[09:17]  * redtape|coffee goes to get 20p newspaper for weather news .
[09:21] <salzbro> #ppuk
[09:35] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, and happy World Day for Water, everyone! :-D
[09:36] <JamesTait> I'd like to propose that today also be declared "Snow??? WTF???" Day.
[09:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> no snow here
[09:39] <redtape|coffee> sleet here .. but no papaers in the shop (today)..
[09:40] <redtape|coffee> I actually bought Ian Hislop's newspaper/public.
[09:42] <redtape|coffee> OT | When was the last time you saw a copy of the Private Eye ?  www.private-eye.co.uk ?
[09:42] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, you're down south, IIRC?
[09:43] <redtape|coffee> JamesTait, He is.
[09:44] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:45] <popey> redtape|coffee: I used to subscribe
[09:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> JamesTait: Yep - Farnham, Surrey to be precise(ish)
[09:49] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, oh, I didn't realise you were also in Farnham. :)
[09:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> "also"?
[09:51] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, I thought popey was based there too?
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> He's not far away but not Farnham.
[09:52] <AlanBell> we are close enough to meet up for a long lunch
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[09:52] <AlanBell> the last long lunch ended gone midnight
[09:52] <popey> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=farnborough+to+farnham
[09:52] <popey> not far
[09:53] <JamesTait> Oh, of course! How could I forget the air show?
[09:54] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21830739 that is a news article about a made up word as far as I can tell
[09:57] <JamesTait> Mmm, bacn.
[09:58] <redtape|coffee> I only like the adverts .. popey http://paste.ubuntu.com/5636485/  There you go I've saved you all £1.50 , today !!
[10:01] <JamesTait> I wish the Google Talk Plugin changelog entries in the deb package were more useful than just "Maintenance release".
[10:09] <redtape|coffee> popey .. did you get my ^ pastebin ^  ?
[10:14] <dwatkins> redtape|coffee: I just saved 93p by not buying it, though ;)
[10:20] <redtape|coffee> dwatkins, Right, because  gave you all the info-(adverts) for free :D
[10:20]  * redtape|coffee celebrates the power of sharing                                          \o/
[10:23] <popey> redtape|coffee: i saw it, then closed it
[10:24]  * redtape|coffee shrugs.
[10:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.arewefastyet.com/
[10:28] <redtape|coffee> The Safari browser is quickest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_%28browser%29  :( but it uses webkit :|
[10:29] <AlanBell> chrome is quickest on most tests
[10:30] <AlanBell> and this isn't a test of webkit
[10:30] <AlanBell> or geko
[10:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Following on from your culinary success last week.. I've got my Mum & Dad coming for lunch tomorrow. Thinking Boeuf Bourguignon, New Potatoes, and perhaps some green beans? Sound OK?
[10:30] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Idea for a new culinary website... "Askpopey.com"
[10:31] <brobostigon> chilli a'la popey
[10:35] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I'd be inclined to do roast potatoes to have some crunch, but yeah, sounds nom
[10:35] <redtape|coffee> That's  .. more like www.o5.com
[10:37] <redtape|coffee> Nice metric's though | http://pmetrics.performancing.com/stats/?site_id=12734
[10:38]  * redtape|coffee thinks 'p-metics' to get popeys webcam views would be a good idea.
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Roasties... Hmm, maybe. But think I will go for steamed new anyway (nicer smothered in butter & parsley).
[10:45] <popey> nom
[10:52]  * TheOpenSourcerer needs to go to the office and get all "strategic"...
[10:55]  * AlanBell nods
[10:55] <Myrtti> TheOpenSourcerer: http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/7535/hasselback-potatoes.aspx
[10:56] <popey> ooh, i made those a while back, they're lovely
[10:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Kewl - they look nice Myrtti
[10:56]  * DJones debates, clear snow of the path or bake bread
[10:57] <popey> in fact I shall make them this weekend I think, thanks Myrtti
[10:57]  * TheOpenSourcerer looks at his back garden bathed in Spring sunshine.
[10:58] <Myrtti> we were taught the recipe at home economics in school ^___^
[10:58] <Myrtti> now I want garlic or blue cheese creamed potatoes tho
[10:58] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: We've got a decent covering of snow, averages about 2" deep
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:04] <redtape|coffee> OT |  Anbody wanna go 1llegal ? http://illegaleshow.nl/finally-a-it-looks-like-a-plan-plan/?owa_medium=feed&owa_sid=
[11:07] <popey> seriously. _what_?
[11:08] <kvarley> That has to be a dodgy url, just look at it
[11:12] <davmor2> So which prats ordered the UK wide Waterslide for the West and the UK snow for the east for their kids birthdays :)
[11:13] <shauno> okay, I thought I was going crazy, I'm not.  that .nl has randomly appearing/disappearing my little pony / rainbows / hello kitty.  wow.
[11:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: Snow here
[11:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: you don't have kids unless you ordered it for yourself
[11:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: I ordered it for Hayley, but she still managed to get into work
[11:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[11:20] <DJones> Police have just closed a major bridge here due to falling snow & ice
[11:22] <bigcalm> That happens to the M4 Wales bridge quite offten
[11:22] <bigcalm> often
[11:31] <DJones> Just seeing peoples comments, falling ice has been smashing car windscreens
[11:38] <bigcalm> Heavy water
[11:44] <popey> happy birthday andylockran
[12:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't joke like that it's bad enough that their window is smashed without being radioactive too :)
[12:58] <davmor2> Man Love film really don't want you to cancel your account
[13:00] <shauno> and netflix really, really want you to come back
[13:04] <popey> i just finished my first month of free netflix
[13:05] <shauno> if they offered it again I might actually try it.  but when I tried last year, the offer here was almost entirely bollywood
[13:18] <redtape|coffee> OT | Sellafield Power Staion has shut down due to the bad weather and high winds.
[13:36] <bigcalm> I doubt I'd consider netflix or similar until we had a 'net connected TV. I think we get enough of what we don't use via cable as it is :)
[13:37] <shauno> I think mine'll play if I let it update.  but I really don't want the faff of having to shove my tv through a vpn just to get any content
[13:39] <popey> got the paypal notification for first months payment and thought "yeah, I'll probably use that more"
[13:39] <popey> and will now go and buy a smart telly ☺
[13:40] <bigcalm> popey: get a 3d one while you're at it
[13:42] <popey> nope
[13:42] <popey> 3d is overrated
[13:42] <popey> and will be gone soon
[13:43] <bigcalm> ;)
[13:43] <bigcalm> It's lasted longer than I had expected it to
[13:44] <popey> ditto
[13:44] <redtape|coffee> 3d is for kids in cinema, not htpc's.
[13:54] <kvarley> popey: Make sure the telly supports DNLA so when your "smart" TV is not longer smart you can still stream stuff to it :)
[13:56] <shauno> or just grab an appletv and save yourself a couple of quid  *ducks*
[14:02] <kvarley> shauno: He has a raspberry pi :)
[14:03] <kvarley> The solution is never to buy an Apple product
[14:04] <shauno> hm, I didn't try netflix on my pi
[14:04] <kvarley> shauno: ah, in which case you want one of those android mini-pcs
[14:05] <kvarley> Or just a fanless pc :)
[14:22] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21896442
[14:22] <jacobw> http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iv-drip/poll-pycon-playhaven-anonymous-adria-richards-and-online-sexism-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-8545741.html
[14:23] <jacobw> Oh dear, a poll!
[14:25] <ali1234> wat
[14:25] <ali1234> poll needs "all of the above" option
[14:27] <BigRedS> surely that's the first one, then?
[14:27] <ali1234> no
[14:27] <BigRedS> it's asking for the point at which it got out of hand
[14:27] <ali1234> literally everyone is in the wrong
[14:27] <AlanBell> no, I would go for "all of the above" too
[14:27] <BigRedS> yeah, that's not the question, though
[14:28] <ali1234> the question is dumb
[14:28] <AlanBell> oh I see what you mean
[14:28] <BigRedS> if  only 3, 4 and 5 were overreactions then '3' is the point at which it got out of hand
[14:28] <AlanBell> it kept on getting more and more out of hand at every step
[14:28] <ali1234> it got out of hand a long time ago
[14:29] <dwatkins> Mountain out of a molehill
[14:30] <dwatkins> Granted the guys probably shouldn't have made the jokes in question, but I've heard worse in the kitchen at work here.
[14:30] <dwatkins> She's clearly acting as the complete antithesis of a developer relations person.
[14:30] <Myrtti> https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/
[14:31] <ali1234> well there's nothing unusual about that
[14:32] <ali1234> the issue got out of hand at the point where anyone who refused to pick a side was shunned by both sides
[14:32] <ali1234> this happened several years ago
[15:29] <Twinkletoes> My ubuntu desktop 12.10 only seems to have traceroute6 installed... which package do I Get traceroute for ipv4 from?
[15:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> tracepath
[15:30] <popey> apt-cache search traceroute
[15:31] <Twinkletoes> popey: thanks for that - it says tracepath is already installed... shoudl I remove and reinstall?
[15:31] <Twinkletoes> popey: the package was iputils-tracepath
[15:31] <popey> the package is traceroute here
[15:31] <popey> but I wouldn't use traceroute, use mtr :D
[15:32] <Twinkletoes> cool - thanks you :)
[15:40] <bigcalm> Oh bottoms
[15:40] <bigcalm> The snow is sticking to my car now
[15:54] <redtape|coffee> bigcalm, Libre Snow Balls ?
[16:00] <DJones> bigcalm: Its been sticking to my car since before I woke up, had about 1hr when it stopped snowing
[16:43] <davmor2> http://www.harlemify.com/?url=www.ubuntu.com muhahahaha the fun you can have :)
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> Any (card) gamers out there? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cantripgames/story-war-the-storytelling-party-game
[17:17] <popey> already backing it :0
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: I know, but not everyone might have seen it :)
[17:19] <popey> of course ☺
[17:19] <popey> looking forward to that
[17:19] <popey> also, CaH expansion 3 now in stock
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> CoH you mean? :)
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> Against is with an "a"
[17:19] <popey> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B3YT030/
[17:20]  * MartijnVdS fails English forever
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> yeah.. no ship to Netherlands :(
[17:21] <popey> yeah, got one of my co-workers to order for me
[17:27]  * MartijnVdS orders a low-end "NUC"
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you see this one as well? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421164014/openshot-video-editor-for-windows-mac-and-linux/posts/434357?ref=activity
[19:30] <joan> hello
[19:30] <joan> i'm trying to make TF2 work in my old laptop following this workaround: http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/846938351012409765/
[19:30] <joan> but I don't know where to find my bashrc (or .zshrc, or .profile)
[19:31] <joan> where's that file?
[19:34] <ali1234> in your home directory
[19:34] <joan> found it
[19:34] <mungbean> is there such a thing as a high rated usb cable?
[19:35] <mungbean> or will the cable for my phone charger also work in my 2A usb charger too
[19:35] <ali1234> you don't need that first line on ubuntu as $HOME/bin is already on the path
[19:35] <ali1234> after you create it and restart computer anyway
[19:36] <ali1234> mungbean: there is no such thing as high rated USB cable
[19:36] <mungbean> didnt think so..wanted to check for sanity
[19:36] <ali1234> 2A * 5v = 10W
[19:36] <mungbean> still trying to revive the tablet
[19:36] <mungbean> got to wait a week for a new charger to arrive
[19:38] <ali1234> after i install android sdk, where do i find "ant"?
[19:45] <popey> ali1234: tools
[19:45] <ali1234> nope
[19:46] <ali1234> that's a directory
[19:46] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/android-sdk-linux$ find . -name ant
[19:46] <popey> ./tools/ant
[19:46] <popey> ./tools/proguard/ant
[19:46] <popey> ./tools/proguard/examples/ant
[19:46] <ali1234> those are all directories
[19:46] <popey> so they are
[19:47] <ali1234> i'm reading the instructions how to build SDL for android and it says "now run ant debug to build it"
[19:52] <ali1234> so the answer is the android sdk doesn't include ant
[19:52] <ali1234> so i'm supposed to install it myself from distro
[20:02] <ali1234> cool, got apk