[00:14] <Macer> ok.. i have a question
[00:14] <Macer> i want to install the cvs version of sane
[00:14] <Macer> but i don't want apt to install sane when i install things that have sane as a dep
[00:14] <Macer> is there a way to do that?
[00:28] <Macer> how do install something with apt without installing its dependencies?
[00:34] <Macer> arch
[00:34] <Macer> argh
[00:46] <Coded1> I got a noob question.  When I first installed Kubuntu there was a widget or something on the desktop you could put links to apps in.  Somehow I fat fingered something and it's gone.  How do I get it back?
[00:47] <Macer> ok. i just can't get this scanner working
[00:47] <Macer> wth
[00:48] <Macer> bought it JUST BECAUSE it was in the sane hcl
[00:48] <Coded1> Macer: what make / model is it?
[00:48] <Macer> fujitsu scansnap s1500
[00:49] <Macer> keep getting device i/o error... tried building libsane too :)
[00:49] <Macer> from their cvs/git repo
[00:49] <Coded1> what does dmesg say?  can you paste bin it?
[00:50] <Coded1> you wouldn't know how to get that widget back on my desktop would you?
[00:50] <Macer> yeah
[00:50] <Macer> you just open the desktop window
[00:51] <Macer> it is the "folder" widget
[00:51] <Macer> go to its options
[00:51] <FloodBotK1> Macer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:51] <Macer> and select "desktop folder"
[00:51] <Coded1> thanks
[00:51] <Macer> Failed to open deivce 'fujitsu:ScanSnap S1500:361001': Error during device I/O.
[00:52] <Macer> i'm at a loss.. i tried everything. even filed a bug with sane's bug tracker
[00:52] <Macer> if it doesn't work they need to take it off their "supported devices" list or fix what is wrong with it
[00:52] <Macer> http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-FUJITSU <- mine is the S1500
[00:53] <Macer> and kubuntu uses libsane 1.0.23 afaik.. so no idea. the usb identifier is listed in the sane backend fujitsu.conf
[00:58] <Coded1> Macer: can you pastebin the dmesg?
[01:02] <Macer> there really isn't much to it
[01:02] <Macer> dmesg just shows the scanner getting plugged in
[01:03] <Coded1> you haven't given me much to go on
[01:03] <Coded1> could be a bad cable
[01:03] <Macer> http://pastebin.com/SJM2iXCj
[01:03] <Macer> naw.. the scanner works great in windows
[01:03] <Coded1> maybe there is a lock switch that is on?
[01:03] <Macer> sane just won't work with it :)
[01:03] <Macer> on my kubuntu laptop
[01:04] <Macer> i'm actually considering trying another distro and seeing if it might just be a broken ubuntu pkg
[01:04] <Macer> but i tried installing from their git repo so i'm almost certain it is either a sane issue or something with the scanner model itself changed so that it is not supported
[01:06] <Macer> http://pastebin.com/Ne4diQ4p
[01:07] <Coded1> does you pc have any usb 3.0 ports?
[01:08] <Coded1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1102797
[01:19] <calwig> how can kubuntu boot just enabling all services except for KDE?
[01:19] <calwig> to drop directly to root
[01:23] <Macer> oh wow
[01:23] <Macer> wtf? it looks like it may have tried there for a second lol
[01:23] <Macer> but then it stopped
[01:24] <sithlord48> most likley a video problem
[01:25] <sithlord48> if kde is starting very quickly then stoping
[01:26] <Macer> huh?
[01:26] <Macer> i'm talking about the scanner
[01:26] <Macer> Coded1: :-/ i moved it to another usb port (which i tried earlier) and now it's working?
[01:26] <Macer> wth?
[01:26] <sithlord48> oh sorry wrong chat..
[01:27] <Coded1> Macer: apparently it could be a problem with the usb 3 port
[01:28] <Coded1> I tried adding the Folder Widget but now it shows up with my home directory, I can't seem to get a blank on like I had before, any ideas?
[01:28] <Macer> i didn't even know this laptop had a usb3 port
[01:29] <Coded1> Macer: maybe it's just something with the port it's self
[01:30] <Coded1> s/it's/its/g :)
[01:31] <Macer> maybe
[01:31] <Macer> but n ow gscan2pdf won't work lol
[01:32] <Macer> wow it's just one thing after another huh?
[01:32] <Macer> let me see if xsane can scan this stuff the way i want
[01:32] <Macer> i just need something to do simple document scanning
[01:32] <Coded1> Murphy's law iis always at work
[01:33] <Macer> oh yeah
[01:33] <Macer> let me try again
[01:34] <Macer> xsane made a disgusting scan lol
[01:34] <Coded1> any idea about my Folder widget issue?
[01:34] <Coded1> should be basic right ?
[01:35] <Coded1> never mind I got it
[02:18] <Macer> well.. got that to work... nice :)
[02:18] <Macer> now i can get rid of the windows box. that's all i needed to work
[02:19] <goodtime> heh no sound now for 3 days
[02:20] <goodtime> and kubuntu restricted extras didnt work
[02:26] <wolftune> Hi
[02:26] <wolftune> I'm struggling to decide whether to go with KMyMoney or Skrooge
[02:26] <wolftune> I don't want to invest too much in exploring both
[02:26] <wolftune> anyone have guidance for me?
[02:27] <wolftune> They seem so similar, and I expect if I decide to just go with one or the other it will work out and I'll stick with it
[02:31] <goodtime> anybody have this problem
[02:32] <goodtime> i need sound
[02:37] <wolftune> goodtime: yes, mostly people expect sound on their systems
[03:56] <mr-rich> Question: is there a way to make KDE's equivalent to the "Start Menu" bigger/taller?
[03:58] <tekkbuzz> mr-rich: try QML instead.
[03:58] <mr-rich> QML?
[03:59] <tekkbuzz> start menu widget like: lancelot but better.
[04:00] <tekkbuzz> sort of in between the default application launcher and lancelot
[04:01] <Macer> hm
[04:01] <Macer> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=153274&CatId=2846
[04:01] <Macer> i should get one of those for a kubuntu desktop/workstation
[04:05] <tekkbuzz> mr-rich: I guess it's called "application launcher QML" ?  but it's a widget.
[09:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:26] <qq> hello, all!
[10:27] <qq> newbie question: what is a button called KDE Plasma Workspace  on LightDM login screen?
[10:29] <qq> while clicked caption is bold and vise versa, no visible action
[10:41] <away> qq, if you install multiple desktop environments, you can use that "button" (it will become a dropdown) to change DE
[11:44] <dbc254> I've archived my folders, can I just blow away kmail and reinstall?
[11:45] <dbc254> then put my archived folders back in place?
[11:59] <Blacktouch> hi
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:22] <pfoo> shadeslayer: any hopes of geting firefox package from blueshell firefox-kde ppa rebuilt ? the quantal / amd64 package failed to build (https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde/+packages)
[13:29] <goodtime> i didnt want to spam it
[13:45] <Macer> is there something that can be run locally that can sync kde ?
[13:45] <Macer> ie: contacts, rekonq data, etc
[13:46] <Guest41806> hi
[13:48] <Guest41806> can you help me
[13:48] <Guest41806> ?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Macer:  komparator maybe  , the the sync-ui app uses gtk apps so I don't think that's what you want
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Guest41806:  ask your question
[13:53] <BluesKaj> err gtk-liibs rather
[13:58] <Macer> BluesKaj: i actually meant something similar to say... opera or google syncing
[13:58] <Macer> that you can run locally
[13:59] <Macer> like a sync server?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> dunno much about syncing , being a home user
[14:00] <goodtime> just use konversation to see Macer
[14:00] <Macer> i'm a home user too ;) but i'm going to use kde on everything
[14:01] <Macer> konversation?
[14:01] <Guest41806> hi
[14:01] <goodtime> it a irc client
[14:01] <Macer> i think  you are misunderstanding what i mean?
[14:02] <Macer> i want something that can sync kde data (like contacts.. rekonq bookmarks... kmail accouts) that runs locally
[14:02] <Macer> like a syncing server for kde :)
[14:02] <goodtime> look in the software center then Macer
[14:02] <Macer> something similar to say... connecting chrome to google
[14:02] <Macer> or connecting android to google
[14:02] <goodtime> hmmm
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Macer:  try komparator , it's in the repos
[14:03] <Macer> BluesKaj: Komparator looks like a ui rsync
[14:04] <jEhrichs> Macer: there is a ownCloud syncing approach for kde
[14:04] <Macer> jEhrichs: does it work? :)
[14:04] <Macer> or do you have a site that shows kde integration?
[14:04] <jEhrichs> never tried it
[14:05] <Macer> ah ok. well i'lll look into that
[14:05] <Macer> that seems a bit more like what i'm looking for
[14:05] <jEhrichs> http://vizzzion.org/blog/2012/12/an-owncloud-client-for-kde-plasma/
[14:06] <Macer> jEhrichs: nice. thanks!
[14:06] <BluesKaj> jEhrichs:  hmm, I thought it was supposed to be local :)
[14:06] <Macer> BluesKaj: you can run owncloud locally
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Macer: ^
[14:07] <Macer> i mean run the syncing locally
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ok , never bothered , now that my daughter has my laptop and I don't think I'll see anytime soon :)
[14:07] <Macer> without relying on a 3rd party data mining conglomerate
[14:07] <jEhrichs> lol
[14:07] <BluesKaj> sounds like a neat idea tho
[14:08] <Macer> well.. if you run exchange you can do it rather easily ;)
[14:08] <Macer> but then you need things that support exchange
[14:08] <Macer> i want something that kde can sync against.. calendar, contacts, etc
[14:08] <Macer> the typical things you would expect to sync with google on an android device or ms on a win8 device
[14:09] <Macer> i would only hope that ubuntu phones follow suit without requiring you to use ubuntu one
[14:09] <jEhrichs> well you can sync mail/contacts/calendar with google without owncloud
[14:09] <jEhrichs> maybe even files, not sure how far the google drive stuff is already
[14:09] <Macer> http://owncloud.org/about/
[14:10] <Macer> jEhrichs: yeah i know.. i am just using those as a comparison
[14:10] <Macer> i want the same thing but without the need of a 3rd party server
[14:10] <Macer> but that looks exactly like what i am looking for :)
[14:11] <Macer> i'm sure it is rather "new" as far as kde integration if there is any at all but hopefully it grows
[14:11] <Macer> in the meantime i'll read up on it and see if i can do anything with it now
[14:12] <jEhrichs> the ownloud development seems to be quite active.
[14:12] <goodtime> ive used many irc clients through the years and this is the best konversation
[14:12] <goodtime> unless you use things like bitchx or irssi in you terminal
[14:12] <goodtime> then your playing with power
[14:13] <Guest41806> how to immgration to eroba
[14:14] <Macer> jEhrichs: that's awesome
[14:14] <Macer> so long as the kde integration development is also active ;)
[14:14] <Macer> after trying ubuntu/unity i can never see that being used in a professional environment
[14:15] <Macer> kde can tho
[14:15] <jEhrichs> if i remember the blogosphere correctly integration for kde/gnome/android/iphone is quite active too from the same developers
[14:15] <Macer> what about symbian? :-P
[14:15] <Macer> heh
[14:16] <Macer> i am still using an e7 since the other 3 major types (4 if you count blackberry) are heavy into conglomeratization
[14:16] <Macer> they must be making serious money off personal data sales
[14:16] <Macer> hopefully these ubuntu phones aren't lame
[14:17] <jEhrichs> <- windows mobile 6.1 \o/
[14:18] <jEhrichs> unity on smartphones look nice. only envireoment where I could concider using it
[14:19] <jEhrichs> but I kinda doubt we will see that anytime soon.
[14:20] <Guest41806> i want to get a job
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ok gents , this is getting close to offtopic , more discussion about this can be done in #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:21] <Guest41806> how
[14:21] <BluesKaj> !offtopic | Guest41806
[14:21] <eelco_> Hi guys, quick question on Kubuntu 13.04. I'm testing out the beta and noticed that Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't take me to a shell any more, where this worked out of the box on Kubuntu 12.10. I can switch to Ctrl+Alt+F1 up to Ctrl+Alt+F6, but the screen just goes blank (receives no input), Ctrl+Alt+F7 get's me back to my desktop as usual though. Both Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and  sudo tried /etc/init.d/lightdm stop  exited the display
[14:21] <eelco_> manager, but didn't show a shell. Do any of you know if the default behaviour has changed, or how I can boot in to a shell outside of X now?
[14:22] <eelco_> * sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop
[14:23] <BluesKaj> eelco_:  , ask that question in #ubuntu+1
[14:23] <eelco_> ok, thank you
[14:23] <Macer> jEhrichs: lol
[14:23] <Macer> jEhrichs: i don't care much for unity but yeah it might work good on a phone my only problem being the ubuntu one integration
[14:23] <Macer> hopefully that isnt a requirement of its use
[14:23] <Guest41806> how are you
[14:24] <Macer> jEhrichs: i can't see kubuntu being used on a phone :)
[14:24] <Macer> although.. possibly a revamped version... like their touch version
[14:24] <Macer> since qt does look far better than anything gtk based
[14:24] <jEhrichs> all it needs is a special containment, like plasma active is
[14:25] <Macer> yes
[14:25] <Macer> that is what i was thinking of.. active
[14:25] <jEhrichs> but let unity start, they are using qt and qml, this is a big win for qt/kde/plasma
[14:25] <Macer> hopefully the kubuntu team will be able to make an active version of it ;)
[14:26] <Macer> i don't know. unity on a desktop seems to be gnome with a dock on the left
[14:26] <Macer> since all the base apps are still gnome apps
[14:26] <BluesKaj> and how does this relate to kubuntu support, Macer , jEhrichs ?
[14:26] <jEhrichs> nah they will go qt/qml on all platforms sooner or later
[14:26] <goodtime> its uncustomizeable
[14:26] <jEhrichs> sorry BluesKaj :)
[14:26] <goodtime> unity that is
[14:26] <Macer> BluesKaj: oh.. is this channel support only? i thought it was just kubuntu discussion
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Macer:  kubuntu discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic , BELEIVE IT OR NOT
[14:27] <Macer> oh
[14:27] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:28] <Macer> odd. you would think support only would be #kubuntu-support and #kubuntu would be general discussion with -offtopic being well... offtopic
[14:28] <Macer> but to each their own :)
[14:29]  * BluesKaj disables the capslock key
[14:30] <Macer> BluesKaj: support doesn't just mean repair, it also means foundation ;) anyways. i'm off to the store.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Macer:  I don't make the rules
[15:19] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:19] <goodtime> lo lordievader
[16:49] <Graf_Westerholt> I just a a big data lost. I guess it was because of a infected picture. I do not want to try again, but maybe it is a good idea to check if there is a security hole?
[16:51] <n8w> i know this might sound stupid, but how do i create an application shortcut?no "create new" entry when right-click on the desktop
[16:54] <BluesKaj> n8w:  you drag or add to desktop from the kmenu
[16:55] <n8w> BluesKaj, ye:) possible...but not all entries r "dragable"
[16:55] <BluesKaj> what are you trying to shortcut , n8w ?
[16:55] <n8w> BluesKaj, just regular applications
[16:56] <n8w> BluesKaj, why am i missing that entry in my right click menu?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> right click on them in the kmenu , then choose "add to desktop"
[16:57] <n8w> BluesKaj, nope...right click doesnt do anythin....
[16:57] <n8w> BluesKaj, it does it with applications havin an icon...the one im tryin to make a shortcut of doesnt have an icon
[16:58] <BluesKaj> n8w:  what app is it ?
[16:58] <n8w> BluesKaj, i have noticed it before...if a icon for an application doesnt show up in the menu, then its not dragable
[16:59] <n8w> BluesKaj, it appears in the menu as "run appname"
[16:59] <n8w> BluesKaj, it doesnt rly matter which app it is...
[16:59] <BluesKaj> n8w:  is this an app compiled from source
[16:59] <n8w> BluesKaj, nope, apt get
[17:00] <BluesKaj> hmm, I don't have any apps without icons
[17:00] <BluesKaj> have you dist-upgraded lately ?
[17:01] <n8w> BluesKaj, nope
[17:01] <n8w> BluesKaj, btw the app name is sqliteman
[17:04] <BluesKaj> sqliteman is an admin app  or a datbase which probly requires root permissions to be setup in the gui
[17:04] <BluesKaj> so then perhaps you have an icon view if you choose
[17:10] <n8w> BluesKaj, no it doesnt require root...anywai, i have figured out...i have got a desktop view, so fining the app in a file manager and draggin it to the desktop gives the option to create a shortcut
[17:10] <n8w> BluesKaj, thx for your help anywai
[17:35] <rosco_y> I want to copy a bunch of photo cds to my hd and organize them visually with software--can anyone recommend good software to help me do this?
[18:02] <Soru> Hello
[18:04] <Soru> Someone knows how to install dundef-linux-03052013.mojo.run?
[18:11] <Soru_> Someone knows how to install dundef-linux-03052013.mojo.run?
[18:11] <Soru> Sorry*
[18:12] <jEhrichs> Soru: there were some 64bit quircks if i remember correctly. google knows the answer
[18:13] <Soru> jEhrichs: Thank you for answering. I click to the file and nothing happens. Do yo know what I have to search?
[18:13] <jEhrichs> but you should play it in windows. on linux they removed the gravity support for the crystals, so they do not float to the player anymore. which kills a lot of the fun
[18:14] <jEhrichs> chroot +x dundef... should do the trick
[18:17] <Soru> jEhrichs: Thank you, I had already granted it execution permissions, but stil not working
[18:18] <jEhrichs> what does it say if you start the .run via console?
[18:19] <Soru> bash: ./dundef-linux-03052013.mojo.run: File or directory doesn't exist
[18:21] <Soru> jEhrichs: But it exists xD
[18:22] <jEhrichs> did you do tab completion?
[18:23] <jEhrichs> seems a bit awkward that it can't find the file otherwise
[18:25] <Soru> Yes.. :/
[18:31] <jEhrichs> how about just ./dund... without bash?
[18:33] <Soru> jEhrichs: Where? I do this on Konsole
[18:33] <jEhrichs> ah my fault, I misread, that you tyoed in bash ./...
[18:38] <nell> virtualbox is buggy as fsck
[18:38] <nell> Is my next best alternative vmware?
[18:42] <RaphaelBarros> Hey guys, I'm not sure if the "Suspend desktop effects for fullscreen windows" option from the Desktop Effects settings is working, so I tried to set it exclusively for one application (Bastion, the game) through Alt+F3>Advanced>Special Application Settings>Appearance & Fixes> Enable Block compositing/Force/Yes, when I press "Ok", the screen flashes and the game continues to run, but if I go to the same option again, the Block compositing option
[18:42] <RaphaelBarros> is disabled, is this how it's supposed to work?
[18:43] <yofel> nell: qemu/kvm would be another option. virt-manager if you need a GUI
[18:44] <nell> getting virt manager
[18:45] <nell> I feel dirty for getting this propietary shit
[18:45] <nell> woops wrong channel
[18:48] <RaphaelBarros> Nobody know about what I asked?
[18:50] <jEhrichs> RaphaelBarros: never tested it this way. AI always press Alt+shift+F12 before i start games
[18:50] <jEhrichs> *-A
[18:55] <RaphaelBarros> Hmm, I'll try to use that for the time being, thank you :)
[19:30] <extropianpirate> would someon be able to help me? i'm trying to use dual monitors with an intel hd graphics 2500 built into my core i5, currently the monitors are mirrored, but when i try to change that, system settings and xrandr can only see one monitor
[20:31] <Soru_> Someone knows how to run a mojo.run on Kubuntu?
[20:49] <SebastianM> hi
[20:49] <Soru_> Hi SebastianM
[20:50] <SebastianM> question:  "xev" shows the correct keys while typing them,  but actually in any other program but "xev" they do not work as expected
[20:51] <SebastianM> example: ^ and ´ do not work
[20:51] <SebastianM> ¨ needs to be pressed 2 times to show up
[20:51] <SebastianM> sorry, I meaned ~
[20:53] <Soru_> I don't know... Sorry :(
[21:01] <Soru_> Hello
[21:01] <Soru_> Someone knows if Steam is on the repositories of Kubuntu?
[21:03] <SebastianM> Soru_, searching for "steam" gave me no result
[21:04] <SebastianM> Soru_, and I am using quantal
[21:04] <Soru_> SebastianM: I've read on internet that Ubuntu has it on the repositories, but it seems that Kubuntu does not?
[21:05] <SebastianM> Soru_, ubuntu, kubuntu and lubuntu,  edubuntu,  whatever *buntu  can use the same repositories
[21:06] <Soru_> Maybe I miss some repositories or somewhat
[21:09] <Soru_> Or maybe internet was trolling me haha
[21:12] <Soru_> Read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve
[21:12] <Soru_> <<The Steam Client is available through the Ubuntu Software Center (USC). Run the USC, search for Steam, and install it or click here for a direct link to the USC.>>
[21:16] <SebastianM> did you add the repository mentioned
[21:16] <SebastianM> ?
[21:17] <Soru_> what repository? :S
[21:18] <Soru_> I've installed steam
[21:18] <SebastianM> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[21:18] <SebastianM> how?
[21:19] <Soru_>  wget http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb
[21:20] <Soru_>   sudo apt-get install gdebi-core
[21:20] <Soru_>   sudo gdebi steam.deb
[21:20] <Soru_> If you do this, you get steam
[21:20] <Soru_> I'm installing it only for testing
[21:20] <SebastianM> this is the alternative way, also described in the tutorial
[21:25] <SebastianM> Soru_, still could not find out what steam actually is
[21:26] <SebastianM> Soru_, is it this game platform?
[21:27] <Soru_> SebastianM: Yes, it is. It's very popular and now has a GNU/Linux client, so I'm testing how it works a little
[21:41] <pedor> Hi, I'm having a lot of problem with kubuntu (12.10 and 13.04 x86) and utc time. It keeps change the time and I can't set my utc time. Also everysite I go it shows the wrong time, even my sent emails are showing an wrong time.
[21:57] <Heavensrevenge> hello?
[22:00] <Heavensrevenge> how do i stop kdm from automatically autologging me into an unworking cinnimon desktop which stays black from some graphics problem?
[22:00] <Soru_> Sounds difficult :S
[22:01] <Heavensrevenge> ive got no gui to work with because it just tries to boot straight into cinnimon, so i would like to disable that autologin feature somewhere in an alternate text-mode console
[22:02] <Heavensrevenge> i just dont know where the configuration option is
[22:03] <Heavensrevenge> ive tried adding AutoLoginEnable=false to /etc/kdmrc but its not preventing the unworkable cinnimon blank screen from being booted into straight away
[22:05] <nmzan> having issues connecting with XChat to any server.  checks ident... gets hostname... disconnects
[23:22] <BronySXiYL> Hi.
[23:24] <BronySXiYL> I know this off-topic, but is there an iPod IRC channel around?
[23:38] <Soru> I don't know