[02:31] <captine> hi all.  something really wrong with empathy all of a sudden...  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5638924/
[02:31] <captine> 13.04
[04:29] <DJJeff> usr share menu errors http://pastie.org/pastes/7087233/text
[08:24] <peawormsworth> I think I see a bug in Unity. Where should I report it?
[08:24] <peawormsworth> * for raring.
[08:53] <bcbc2> peawormsworth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+filebug
[08:54] <bcbc2> peawormsworth: or better: ubuntu-bug unity (so it collects your machine specs)
[08:55] <bcbc2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs
[08:56] <peawormsworth> bcbc2: thanks. but i dont think its machine specific. unity works fine, it just displays and incorrect icons in some cases. and i verified on 2 machines.
[08:57] <peawormsworth> thx for links.
[08:58] <bcbc2> peawormsworth: it's easier to let the tool collect the data upfront than having to go back and get it. But either way...
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:44] <shock_one> Hi, guys. Which utility does Ubuntu (13.04) use for suspend to RAM?
[14:02] <Naruto_Xboy> heloo
[14:02] <Naruto_Xboy> hello
[14:02] <dveim> after another update, i got this message : failed to idle channel 0xcccc0000
[14:02] <Naruto_Xboy> nvidia card problem on 13.04 beta on my laptop. Who can help me
[14:02] <dveim> it appears when i log in, does not matter as guest or not
[14:04] <Naruto_Xboy> nvidia card problem on 13.04 beta on my laptop. Who can help me
[14:04] <dveim> what is that?
[14:04] <Naruto_Xboy> i have a laptop asus K56CM
[14:04] <Naruto_Xboy> this have two graphic card
[14:05] <Naruto_Xboy> HD4000 and nvidia GT635M
[14:05] <Naruto_Xboy> but i can swich off GT635M
[14:05] <Naruto_Xboy> it makes this my laptop is very hot
[14:06] <Naruto_Xboy> can you help me turn off this
[14:13] <Naruto_Xboy> nvidia card problem on 13.04 beta on my laptop. Who can help me
[14:23] <ikonia> Naruto_Xboy: ever considered using the stable release as you don't seem to really understand what you are doing ?
[14:24] <Naruto_Xboy> i have install ubuntu 12.10 this stable
[14:24] <ikonia> Naruto_Xboy: ok, so why not usin 12.10 if it's stable ?
[14:24] <Naruto_Xboy> but i update to 13.04 , i can't turn off nvidia card
[14:25] <ikonia> then go back to 12.10
[14:25] <Naruto_Xboy> I want to explore the new version
[14:25] <ikonia> yes, but you don't seem to be able to deal with a version that is unstable
[14:25] <ikonia> so using a stable version may allow you to actually use your machine
[14:25] <eelco_> Hi guys, quick question on Kubuntu 13.04 (I was directed here from the #kubuntu channel). I'm testing out the beta and noticed that Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't take me to a shell any more, where this worked out of the box on Kubuntu 12.10. I can switch to Ctrl+Alt+F1 up to Ctrl+Alt+F6, but the screen just goes blank (receives no input), Ctrl+Alt+F7 get's me back to my desktop as usual though. Both Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and  sudo
[14:25] <eelco_> /etc/init.d/lightdm stop  exited the display manager, but didn't show a shell. Do any of you know if the default behaviour has changed, or how I can boot in to a shell outside of X now?
[14:26] <ikonia> eelco_: you can boot into single user mode for a shell
[14:27] <Naruto_Xboy> tôi nên quay lại 12.10 và chờ bản ổn định 13.04
[14:27] <Naruto_Xboy> I should go back to the stable 12.10 and wait for 13.04
[14:28] <eelco_> @ikonia - thank you. Did a quick Google, is this the way to do it? "Append the letter S (or word Single) to the end of the (kernel) line in grub"
[14:29] <ikonia> eelco_: "single" yes
[14:29] <ikonia> eelco_: append single
[14:29] <Naruto_Xboy> thank you ikonia ;)
[14:30] <eelco_> @ikonia - thank you - Do you know if that Single User environment lets me run a Cuda program like Ctrl-Alt+F1 did allow me to before?
[14:30] <Naruto_Xboy> time to 13:04 release
[14:31] <ikonia> eelco_: it's basically a standard setup, just with "single user" approach, the root user, eg: no desktop, no networking etc etc
[14:31] <ikonia> eelco_: think of it as maintenance mode
[14:32] <eelco_> @ikonia - thank you, I will give it a try
[14:33] <eelco_> Out of curiosity, do you know why this the Ctrl + Alt + F1-6 functionality is no longer working? Was that a design decision, or is it just not working on my install?
[14:33] <ikonia> eelco_: no idea, the #kde guys would be best to answer
[14:34] <yofel> the tty's have nothing to do with kde though
[14:34] <yofel> eelco_: do you have any getty processes runnin?
[14:35] <eelco_> eelco@eelco-pc:~/Programs/truecrack/src$ ps faux | grep "getty"
[14:35] <eelco_> root      1076  0.0  0.0  15828   972 tty4     Ss+  13:40   0:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty4
[14:35] <eelco_> root      1083  0.0  0.0  15828   964 tty5     Ss+  13:40   0:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty5
[14:35] <eelco_> root      1090  0.0  0.0  15828   964 tty2     Ss+  13:40   0:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty2
[14:35] <eelco_> root      1094  0.0  0.0  15828   964 tty3     Ss+  13:40   0:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty3
[14:35] <eelco_> root      1100  0.0  0.0  15828   968 tty6     Ss+  13:40   0:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty6
[14:35] <eelco_> root      1427  0.0  0.0  15828   972 tty1     Ss+  13:40   0:00 /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1
[14:35] <ikonia> eelco_: really - spamming the channel with that
[14:35] <ikonia> how do you think that's going to help
[14:36] <eelco_> sorry, thought it would past as 1 line
[14:36] <yofel> ikonia: can it be that you haven't yet had a coffee today?
[14:36] <yofel> !paste | eelco_
[14:37] <ikonia> yofel: rarely drink coffee
[14:37] <yofel> have some tea then ;)
[14:37] <eelco_> guys, you're really spamming the channel now :P
[14:38] <eelco_> @yofel - so yes, got 6 getty processes running - tty1-6
[14:39] <yofel> yeah, so this should be working, and it works fine here. Not sure where else to look
[14:41] <eelco_> OK, learned a bit again :) I'll have a quick read up on getty, tty and Single User mode, might be able to debug some myself. Thanks for your help yofel and ikonia!
[14:44] <BluesKaj> ttys are working for my setup , thank the Lord :)
[15:03] <Paddy_NI> Hello I decided to just the gun a little and install raring on my sisters desktop computer.. I have noticed that sound is no longer working and the card is not listed in sounds settings
[15:04] <Paddy_NI> I have tried installing "pulseaudio-esound-compat" according to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1078543
[15:04] <Paddy_NI> I have reboot and it has still not appeared
[15:04] <Paddy_NI> I have also noticed that the intel graphics performance is pretty bad
[15:14] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: 1.) is that bug the same as yours, are you getting "file not found errors" 2.) what xorg driver is in use
[15:16] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: well the bug is not identical as I think the cards may be different
[15:16] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: do you get the "file not found" error ?
[15:16] <Paddy_NI> No file not found errors and not sure which version of xorg is in use.. this is fully up to date afaik
[15:17] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: right so the card is different and the error is different.....why are you following a bug / fix that is totally different to your problem
[15:17] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: I didn't ask which xorg version you where using, I asked which xorg driver is in use
[15:17] <Paddy_NI> I could not find an exact duplicate
[15:17] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: ok - so then there may not be a bug logged, just doing random things from differenet bug reports seems foolish
[15:18] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: It does but in the past it has given results
[15:18] <Paddy_NI> better than nothing as far as I am concerned :-)
[15:18] <ikonia> I'm sorry, I can't support that approach to debugging "pick random bug reports and just try stuff2
[15:18] <ikonia> no, it's not better than nothing as it can do more damage/make problems worse/harder to fix
[15:18] <Paddy_NI> They are not exactly random
[15:19] <Paddy_NI> If I had chosen a random bug report then we would currently not be talking about sound right now
[15:19] <ikonia> Paddy_NI:  it is random
[15:19] <Paddy_NI> no its not
[15:19] <Paddy_NI> I think you need to read up on the definition of random
[15:20] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: that bug is for a missing compatability module, hence the "file not found" error - as you are not getting that error, the problem is totally different
[15:22] <Paddy_NI> Okay I'm going to revert any changes I have made
[15:23] <Paddy_NI> brb
[15:27] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: I have reverted all the changes I have made, how do I get which xorg driver I am using?
[15:27] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: look in the xorg log
[15:28] <Paddy_NI> I have an intel chipset I am pretty sure that the graphics and sounds are intel too.. Going to check the log
[15:28] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: I wasn't asking what the hardware was at this time, I was asking which xorg driver was in use
[15:30] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: Yeah I know
[15:30] <Paddy_NI> Here is xorg log http://pastebin.com/MVgSRyPV
[15:30] <ikonia> I'm not asking for the xorg log
[15:30] <Paddy_NI> Its a little confusing
[15:30] <alankila> it's X. It is the worst software in the world except for all others that try to generate working display.
[15:31] <alankila> they are currently even worse.
[15:31] <Paddy_NI> lol
[15:31] <ikonia> thanks for the pointless comment
[15:31] <ikonia> I'll leave you to it
[15:32] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: was that directed at me?
[15:32] <alankila> no, to me, I think.
[15:32] <ikonia> correct
[15:32] <alankila> the guy is just known to be pretty grumpy
[15:32] <ikonia> I'm not grumpy at all
[15:32] <ikonia> just not wasting time trying to resolve something with pointless comments
[15:33] <ikonia> laters
[15:33] <Paddy_NI> alankila: Yeah I see what you mean
[15:33] <bjsnider> Paddy_NI, what is the result of the dmesg command. pastebin it please
[15:35] <bjsnider> alankila, i guess you're not in the business of marketing xorg
[15:36] <Paddy_NI> bjsnider: Here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/5640398/
[15:36] <alankila> anyway the xorg log says something like "LoadModule" which mentions which driver it loaded by name, and generally the module initializes and produces a chatlog about it
[15:37] <alankila> but it's not the only thing it loads, so that makes it harder to answer the question what driver is in use. But really, this is par the course with X, nothing in it is particularly user friendly.
[15:37] <alankila> but it's better now than it has ever been before, so that's something at least.
[15:38] <alankila> if you get "vesa" driver then that means unaccelerated fallback driver. This is all stuff you just have to know
[15:38] <Paddy_NI> Oh okay.. Yeah I remember with dapper I had to specify my screens horizontal and vertical refresh rates and mouse buttons
[15:38] <alankila> or could be fbdev also
[15:39] <BluesKaj> install mesa-utils , then run glxinfo | grep OpenGL , the version string is your driver , alankila
[15:40] <alankila> BluesKaj: pretty circuitous way to find that out, methinks. There got to be something better.
[15:40] <alankila> but alas, can't think of anything
[15:40] <BluesKaj> alankila:  nope it works fine , just try it
[15:40] <Paddy_NI> this is what I got from that glxinfo http://paste.ubuntu.com/5640405/
[15:41] <bjsnider> don't see anything wrong in dmesg, looks like the right stuff being loaded, and same with glxinfo
[15:41] <bjsnider> no messages about an audio chip being found at all in demsg though
[15:41] <alankila> BluesKaj: I already did. While it says nvidia blah blah, I wonder if that's really the Xorg driver or just information about the 3D setup which happens to mention the driver. Let's assume for instance that I loaded vesa driver and have no 3d acceleration whatsoever. Will it still work?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> Paddy_NI:  the you're using the mesa driver
[15:41] <bjsnider> what do you get from lsusb
[15:41] <Paddy_NI> Just no sound card listed and poor graphics performance
[15:42] <BluesKaj> alankila:  I'm not assuming anything , it's supposed to work in 2D  as well afaik
[15:42] <bjsnider> graphics performance may be due to a problem with unity or compiz at the moment
[15:43] <Paddy_NI> Oh okay well I guess updates should hopefully resolve graphics performance
[15:43] <Paddy_NI> *issues
[15:43] <bjsnider> what does lsusb show
[15:43] <alankila> BluesKaj: I never said you must assume this. I guess the right word is 'stipulate'. (Assumption made for sake of argument.)
[15:44] <Paddy_NI> bjsnider: The mouse, keyboard and linux foundation usb root hubs
[15:44] <bjsnider> and lspci
[15:45] <alankila> anyway it does sound like i915 driver would be in use for Paddy, so that suggests that his stuff should just work, at least when it comes to graphics. Unless the hardware is simply very poor, I guess. I wish I knew more of this, really, but I haven't had any display trouble other than some crashes with nouveau for a long, long time.
[15:45] <Paddy_NI> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5640420/
[15:46] <alankila> Paddy_NI: I can't see anything that looks like audio in the PCI hardware listing, and you say there's nonesuch also on the USB listing? This is curious. Could the audio chipset be integrated and disabled in the BIOS?
[15:46] <bjsnider> there's no sound chip on this board i guess
[15:46] <bjsnider> could be disabled in the bios
[15:47] <Paddy_NI> alankila: I think that would be highly unlikely as it just replaced ubuntu 12.10 with 13.04
[15:47] <Paddy_NI> Sound was working before
[15:47] <alankila> Paddy_NI: so you say, but there is no sign of it
[15:47] <Paddy_NI> Well I formatted the HDD then installed the raring daily from two days ago then applied updates
[15:48] <alankila> it is also plausible that it's some USB thing and a shutdown and reboot sequence wedged the thing at the end of the USB bus until a proper poweroff. These things happen.
[15:48] <Paddy_NI> hmm
[15:48] <Paddy_NI> I might power it off for a moment
[15:48] <bjsnider> is this an expansion card, onboard, or external?
[15:48] <alankila> or it might be leftover condition from some suspend + resume. But if you can find out that it's enabled in the BIOS, and can remove battery and wait some time, and it still doesn't work, then I have absolutely no idea.
[15:48] <Paddy_NI> onboard
[15:48] <BluesKaj> bjsnider:  aplay -l ?
[15:49] <bjsnider> well that wouldn't work
[15:49] <bjsnider> there's no alsa driver becuase there's no detected hardware
[15:49] <Paddy_NI> okay I'm going to power off brb
[15:49] <bjsnider> do a flea power
[15:49] <Paddy_NI> okay
[15:49] <alankila> I've had to do these battery poweroffs with laptops, these things are complicated. :-/
[15:50] <bjsnider> why did he do a wipe/reload
[15:50] <alankila> and I have had usb keyboards that die in a 'sudo reboot' sequence, they must be removed and reattached because the usb host is not properly detected after a soft reboot.
[15:50] <bjsnider> he could have upgraded
[15:50] <alankila> I really start to hate USB
[15:50] <alankila> universally seriously broken
[15:51] <bjsnider> well, maybe thunderbolt will replace it
[15:51] <bjsnider> eventually
[15:53] <alankila> I would certainly hope so. This USB thing just has never been implemented correctly so it must go
[15:54] <alankila> something about it must make it impossible to implement correctly, don't know what
[15:54] <alankila> even my latest hardware purchase can't reliably boot from USB key, it works kinda 1/3 of the time and lately not at all.
[15:55] <alankila> tried to replace SSD by USB so I could put the SSD on a different computer that would benefit more from it... worked a few months, then BIOS decided it will never see the USB key again during bootup. I don't even.
[15:56] <alankila> I dd'd the data from the USB key to another SSD on another box and then it booted from SSD like nothing had happened.
[15:56] <penguin42> I need to do some USB debug actually - my Sammy printer has stopped working on my main Ubuntu box but works fine on my older Mate box
[15:57] <alankila> oh yes, and even when the USB key did boot, Linux would fail to detect it almost always... I guess the fact BIOS used it left it in some state that confused Linux about it so I had to always remove it and plug it back in during initramfs so it would find the root fs on it
[15:59] <alankila> Might be flakiness about these new USB 3.0 things. After all, the tech is like 1 year old now only, so clearly can't expect it to work. I had much the same experience with USB 2.0 originally, and it eventually got better.
[16:06] <alankila> I'm also a programmer so I know all about new software being broken. This stuff happens. Complexity is the enemy of working things, and everything is always so incredibly complex because it's specced by very optimistic people. Anyway, end of rant before someone bans me.
[16:09] <Ziggy_> just installed 13.04 and kde keeps crashing for me.... it screen turns black and it logs me out.. where can i find some kind of log to see whats wrong ?
[16:11] <penguin42> Ziggy_: Try /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:14] <Ziggy_> here it is >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5640499/
[16:15] <Ziggy_> it does not say mutch to me but maybe someone can take a look
[16:15] <Ziggy_> it has crashed 3 times in 2 hours now
[16:16] <penguin42> Ziggy_: Try the .old version
[16:17] <Ziggy_> .old >>> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5640508/
[16:20] <penguin42> Ziggy_: OK that .old shows an X server segfault; it's a buggy graphics/GL driver
[16:22] <Ziggy_> hmm okej im using 3im using propietary drivers now maybe i should switch back to the tested one then
[16:24] <penguin42> using KDE in Xrender rather GL mode tends to work well for me; but I'm not a gamer
[16:25] <Ziggy_> only game i want to work is QuakeLive :)
[16:25] <Ziggy_> but i want my 3d acceleration to work
[16:51] <fcuk112> how to get nautilus split-view (f3) back?
[19:43] <krabador> hi, people i would to know if it's normal that zsync process are slower than the complete dowload if the iso from the same server
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> krabador, should not be, what are you zsyncing?
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> raring?
[19:47] <krabador> wilee-nilee, i try the daily, every 4-5 days
[19:47] <krabador> wilee-nilee, zsync would be useful
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> I have not run  a sync for awhile so I'm not sure and am in windows at the moment, so I can't check
[19:49] <wilee-nilee> should run fast, make sure the address is correct I suppose, has it always been this way with the command you are using?
[19:49] <extropianpirate> i wonder if someone could help me? i'm trying to use dual monitors with an intel hd 2500 built into my core i5, they're currently mirrored, but when i try to change that, system settings and xrandr don't recognise there's more than one monitor. the monitors are connected with DVI and HDMI, Kubuntu 13.04
[20:57] <BluesKaj> got google earth running ok , same old requirements as before , lsb-core , lsb4, and ia32-libs
[21:02] <penguin42> Can someone try and reproduce https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62446 - it's happening on +1 for me, but not on Arch with apparently the same libreoffice version - any other +1's see it?
[21:10] <penguin42> only takes like 2 mins to reproduce if you can....
[21:21] <melkor> My microphone doesn't work with the 3.8 kernel.
[21:22] <yofel> penguin42: seems to work here http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/spread.png (calc 4.0.1)
[21:23] <penguin42> yofel: Hmph - wth is going on then ?
[21:23] <penguin42> 1:4.0.1-0ubuntu2 here
[21:25] <yofel> same
[21:41] <penguin42> hmph ok, that's weird then; might ask on one of the Lo channels