[00:17] <darkxst> Ponch0, what version of g-c-c are you using?
[01:11] <Ponch0> darkxst: sorry about the delay, g-c-c, what's that and how do I check the version?
[01:12] <darkxst> 'apt-cache policy gnome-control-center'
[01:13] <Ponch0> Installed: 1:3.6.3-0ubuntu16
[01:15] <darkxst> Ponch0, ok, that is just the standard ubuntu one, file a bug w/ ubuntu-bug
 doesn't help
[01:15] <Ponch0> oh ok
[01:16] <darkxst> you using gnome3 ppa?
[01:18] <Ponch0> yes.
[01:19] <Ponch0> just don't have "staging" ppa
[01:21] <darkxst> yeh brightness is currently broken I believe, but that shouldnt affect the standard raring packages
[01:21] <darkxst> (broken in staging)
[01:22] <Ponch0> Ok, it was fine, until a few days ago.
[01:22] <Ponch0> I mean everything seems to be ok, just can't leave my laptop or I have to restart.
[01:23] <darkxst> the blank screen thing is unrelated to g-c-c
[01:23] <darkxst> caused by clutter or mutter
[01:23] <darkxst> atleast here I can <esc> out!
[01:23] <Ponch0> ah lucky you.
[01:24] <Ponch0> is there a way I can replace g-c-c with the gnome one
[01:24] <darkxst> no and that won't help
[01:24] <darkxst> you can get the new g-c-c from staging though
[01:25] <darkxst> its much nicer ;)
[01:25] <Ponch0> do I have to add the ppa?
[01:25] <darkxst> yeh
[01:26] <darkxst> suspend on lid-close is probably broken too
[01:27] <Ponch0> it is.
[01:27] <darkxst> well for some people atleast, again that works here ;0
[01:28] <darkxst> we will probably switch to logind soon
[01:28] <Ponch0> well, I have power button set to suspend and  if I walk away for a few mins, I hit that and it works
[01:28] <darkxst> that will fix a lot of problems
[01:29] <darkxst> gnome are about halfway through ripping out the various consolekit code path's ;(
[01:30] <Ponch0> I'm not sure what that means? I wish I could contribute to dev but I just don't how, I was kind of "forced" to use the new version, with the older versions my wifi or ethernet worked.
[01:31] <Ponch0> didn't work*
[01:31] <darkxst> Ponch0, there is plenty of non-dev things we could use help with ;)
[01:32] <Ponch0> although no regrets that I got it, just minor inconveniences.
[01:32] <Ponch0> like what
[01:33] <Ponch0> If I can help I will.
[01:36] <darkxst> I really should make a list somewhere but a few things that currently need doing
[01:37] <darkxst> - updated screenshots (and probably some minor edits to text) for installer
[01:37] <darkxst> - moving things forward with the proposed logos
[01:37] <darkxst> - writing content for the forthcoming website
[01:38] <darkxst> and of course the all important testing and bug reporting ;)
[01:43] <Ponch0> ah ok, where do I create an account to do this? also testing = staging, recommended? I'm guessing
[01:44] <Ponch0> Now, I report bugs but it than opens up a tab for launchpad login? if I don't login does my bug still get reported?
[01:44] <darkxst> umm you probably have to login to report bugs
[01:45] <Ponch0> This is my first time around messing around with Ubuntu, I totally got rid of windows 8 on this laptop.  I'm learning python, thought might as well go all the way.
[01:45] <darkxst> currently ubuntu-bug won't work with ppa packages, until this lands -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1158119
[01:45] <darkxst> (you could however manually install that file
[01:46] <darkxst> Ponch0, nice ;)
[01:47] <darkxst> python is a good place to start, but won't help much in GNOME land ....
[01:47] <Ponch0> Also, the fact that windows 8, practically has a tablet interface.... on a laptop
[01:47] <Ponch0> well, i'm learning Python for other things but what does GNOME utilize?
[01:47] <darkxst> Ponch0, I have a win 8 VM (since I got a free license), but it absolutely ghastly!
[01:47] <Ponch0> haha
[01:48] <darkxst> gnome-shell is largely JS for the frontend and C for the backend
[01:48] <darkxst> GNOME apps moving forward are recommended to be JS
[01:48] <darkxst> many Ubuntu apps though are python
[01:48] <Ponch0> Ok, great I'll be making the transition to C down the line.  Once my pythoning is stable enough :)
[01:51] <Ponch0> all right, since you can't report bugs for gnome because of a bug, how would I report a gnome specific bug? I did notice that when I was reporting gnome related bugs I wasn't allowed. But i think I've been able to for a few days now
[01:51] <darkxst> Ponch0, install the file from that big ;)
[01:51] <darkxst> bug
[01:52] <Ponch0> I'm pretty sure I don't have to, I reported a bug earlier today and it didn't kick back - it was gnome related.
[01:52] <darkxst> Ponch0, if its a package off the ppa, then currently you will get a 'not allowed' message
[01:53] <darkxst> if its a package from universe, then it will work fine (obviously)
[01:53] <Ponch0> ah ok, one sec than, let me get that. also I'll add the staging.
[01:55] <Ponch0> uhm, sorry for my ignorance, but how do I add that package?
[01:56] <darkxst> save the patch to ubuntu-gnome.py
[01:56] <darkxst> and then sudo cp ubuntu-gnome.py /usr/share/apport/general-hooks/
[01:57] <jjmarin> Ponch0: The fact that gnome is going to promote JS as the main language for application development doesn't mean Pythong is going to be removed
[01:57] <jjmarin> s/Pythong/Python
[01:58] <Ponch0> jjmarin: I understand, I'm learning Python for unrelated reasons, than I have to learn some C for implementing Cython and if in the future I can contribute on the dev side, I will.
[01:58] <Ponch0> I like Pythong better anyway.
[01:59] <jjmarin> :)
[02:04] <darkxst> sure you an still write a gnome app in python,
[02:04] <darkxst> you can
[02:05] <Ponch0> sure can :), ok the patch has been applied, now I'll add the staging ppa, and create an account for launchpad.
[02:10] <darkxst> Ponch0, this is always a fun way to advance your programming skills -> http://code.google.com/codejam/
[02:10] <darkxst> python is very well suited to many of their 'problems'!
[02:12] <Ponch0> Wow that's awesome thanks for the link, I hear google is big on Python, i'm not sure how true that is.
[02:21] <darkxst> yeh its pretty awesome
[02:22] <Ponch0> I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but can I remove "sudo apt-get remove libatlas3gf-base libatlas-dev" and replace it with "sudo apt-get install libopenblas-dev"
[02:25] <Ponch0> Ok, staging implemented so far it hasn't blown up :)
[02:31] <darkxst> yeh that should be ok
[02:36] <Ponch0> awesome thanks.
[02:37] <Ponch0> it seems webupd8 has a gnome3 PPA, should I add it, or everything that's in that PPA, I already get through staging and main PPA?
[02:38] <darkxst> hmm, webupd8 mostly packages gnome-shell extensions
[02:38] <darkxst> although I would recommend just getting them from extension.gnome.org
[02:39] <Ponch0> ok i'm all set than. haha thanks.
[02:41] <darkxst> yeh, and I really need to revert my system from something that looks more like Ubuntu S
[02:41] <darkxst> so I can actaully test things ;)
[02:48] <kbsa__> Ok, my system froze changing the wallpaper from system settings/background
[02:49] <kbsa__> Heh Ponch0 is still logged in
[03:05] <darkxst> background handling was just recently moved into mutter
[03:06] <darkxst> but we reverted a lot of the code, since it breaks other DE's
[03:08] <Ponch0> mutter is an application? I don't think I have it.
[03:08] <darkxst> Ponch0, mutter is the window manager for gnome-shell
[03:09] <darkxst> you must have it ;)
[03:09] <Ponch0> I just tried installing gnome clocks from software center and it crashed in the middle of the install.  so i'm sending the info on that.
[03:10] <darkxst> Ponch0, clocks hasnt been updated. its still the old python app
[03:10] <Ponch0> nope just searched it in the apps and it isn't there.
[03:10] <darkxst> not the new JS one
[03:10] <darkxst> Ponch0, its there, just you wont see it
[03:10] <darkxst> library, no app
[03:10] <Ponch0> Oh
[03:12] <Ponch0> Tweak tool is the recommended app to use for messing with gnome look?
[03:12] <darkxst> yes
[03:13] <darkxst> even, the only app
[03:13] <darkxst> its really just a frontend to gsettings/dconf-editor though
[03:14] <darkxst> the latter is recommend if you really want to mess with GNOME ;)
[03:14] <darkxst> and d-feet for dbus stuff
[03:18] <Ponch0> haha I have no idea yet, but I'm sure I'll learn right now i need apps with pictures :)
[03:18] <darkxst> plenty of pictures on facebook ;)
[03:22] <Ponch0> haha true.
[03:22] <darkxst> Ponch0, stuff pictures 'grep' should become your new friend ;)
[03:23] <darkxst> debian codesearch is also cool, but a bit out of date (since debian is)
[03:23] <darkxst> http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcodesearch.debian.net%2F&ei=MSBNUeHPB6mOiAeSuoDAAQ&usg=AFQjCNEGUBhkTR3DjLpjNXrOzMST5APpiw&sig2=q_NAB1l_uyKqFFzK3CRwWA&bvm=bv.44158598,d.aGc
[03:23] <darkxst> or just
[03:23] <darkxst> http://codesearch.debian.net/
[03:29] <Ponch0> Wow, huge world here in linux
[03:34] <Ponch0> Hey what was that link you sent yesterday that gives the instructions to fully switch to Ubuntu-gnome from unity?
[03:35] <Ponch0> I'm going to try it without losing any files
[03:35] <darkxst> the one in the IRC topic
[03:35] <Ponch0> I think that's for Ubuntu 12.10, I have 13.04?
[03:36] <darkxst> you won't loose any files, but will probably end up with most ubuntu packages still installed (compared to a clean install, where they won't be)
[03:36] <darkxst> Ponch0, same applies equally
[03:37] <Ponch0> darkxst: thanks, appreciate your patience. I guess it comes with the programming background :)
[03:43] <darkxst> I guess I am just multi-threaded!
[03:45] <Ponch0> hahah
[03:45] <Ponch0> question, I did the switcharoo, do I remove any PPAs?
[03:45] <Ponch0> Like the main Ubuntu PPAs?
[03:46] <darkxst> there are no "main" ubuntu PPA's
[03:48] <Ponch0> Oh, you're right I must be seeing things. brb I have to restart.
[03:54] <Ponch0> I <3 ubuntu gnome.
[03:55] <darkxst> :)
[03:55] <Ponch0> thank you again for your help.
[03:55] <darkxst> np
[03:56] <Ponch0> the computer is faster now I must say.
[03:57] <darkxst> lol, I have nothing to compare with, has been atleast 6  years since I ran windows on my computer
[03:58] <Ponch0> lol, so you build your own machines or buy computers that come with linux os?
[03:58] <darkxst> I build my own desktops
[03:58] <darkxst> laptops I just wipe the HDD once I get them
[03:59] <darkxst> they still have the 'sticker' but thats about the only windows thing on the
[03:59] <darkxst> m
[04:00] <Ponch0> lol that's awesome.
[04:01] <darkxst> it is essentially impossible to buy a computer with linux pre-installed in Australia
[04:01] <darkxst> although I hear system 76 are in the process of setting up over here
[04:01] <Ponch0> Well, i guess it's the same thing 'here' US unless I order system 76 or something
[04:02] <darkxst> Dell?
[04:02] <Ponch0> I have to order that also, I have never seen a retail sell a Dell with anything but windows.
[04:03] <darkxst> yeh but in the US, you can actually order a Dell with Ubuntu
[04:03] <darkxst> not so here
[04:03] <Ponch0> really? dells suck anyway.
[04:04] <darkxst> yeh, I feed off thinkpads
[04:05] <darkxst> up to about 4th one, and never had any unsupported hardware issues
[04:08] <Ponch0> I read that they're good.  I like Toshiba, although don't go crying to them if something isn't right. "Premium support"
[04:08] <Ponch0> I had a Dell, within a few months it started to fall apart.
[04:17] <Ponch0> Hmm, http://ubuntuportal.com/2013/03/download-ubuntu-gnome-13-04-daily-images.html <the picture of the app menu here doesn't match mine, in that I don't have the menu-breakdown on the right hand side, is that a theme?
[08:33] <darkxst> ricotz, we should land the mozjs update in the gnome3 ppa?
[08:56] <darkxst> ricotz, and I reckon logind as well ;)
[08:56] <darkxst> atleast in staging
[08:59] <darkxst> basically just a case of adding build-deps on systemd packages
[08:59] <darkxst> ppa would need to depend on libpam-systemd
[09:00] <darkxst> ^something in the ppa
[09:15] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, sorry, i am against both since mozjs still dosnt have a release and gjs would need the dev branch
[09:16] <ricotz> darkxst, i still havent got to check out the switch to logind
[09:25] <darkxst> ricotz, there will be a mozjs17 branch of gjs
[09:25] <darkxst> for 3.8 release
[09:26] <darkxst> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gjs/log/?h=wip/js17
[09:28] <darkxst> oh and the mozjs release is being held up by only sstangl getting ftp access
[16:23] <ricotz> darkxst, will goa 3.7.92 break empathy/g-c-c 3.6?
[16:23] <ricotz> (i want to move it out of staging)
[18:19] <jbicha> ricotz: I was waiting to see what Debian did with gcr before moving the gcr/gnome-keyring stuff to the regular gnome3 ppa
[18:19] <jbicha> so you can copy it over when you think it's good
[18:40] <ricotz> jbicha, yeah, will do then
[18:41] <ricotz> jbicha, do you expect problems running gcc/empathy 3.6 with the new goa 3.7.x?
[19:24] <darkxst> ricotz, I suspect it will be ok, but havent tried it.
[20:03] <ricotz> darkxst, i am taking that maybe as a yes ;)
[21:45] <Ponch0> Screen goes white since this mornings update, I just see the top bar, but if I hit the hot corner, wallpaper comes back, than disappears as soon as I go back to desktop
[21:53] <darkxst> Ponch0, don't think there is anything on our side with recent updates that would cause that,
[21:54] <Ponch0> Ok easy fix, I used tweak tool and checked off the box that says to have file manager handle the desktop
[21:54] <Ponch0> set the wall paper through that and it's not blanking out.
[21:55] <darkxst> oh, thats probably conflicting with the new background handling in mutter
[21:56] <darkxst> btw re that screenshot yesterday, that is gnome-shell 3.6
[21:56] <Ponch0> haha ty :)
[21:56] <darkxst> gnome-shell 3.8 has completely reworked the apps view
[21:57] <darkxst> and search results etc
[21:57] <Ponch0> I'm ok with that.
[22:35] <jjmarin> I'm very confortable with the new gnome 3.8
[22:36] <jjmarin> the thumbnails of windows in the activity overiview are bigger and they respect the ratio
[23:59] <Ponch0> jjmarin, my gnome shell version is 3.7.92, is that "3.8" or is there an actual version of 3.8 that for some reason isn't updating for me