[01:03] <snadge> how do i install just fglrx from xorg-edgers ? the drivers only ppa gives me an access denied message :/
[01:05] <snadge> at the moment im manually patching the drivers downloaded from amd.. which i have to redo every time i install a kernel update
[01:06] <snadge> never mind.. theres a new beta :D
[04:12] <BrianH> Howdy, I'm having some issues installing 13.04.  Installation works fine with live USB and I restart the system.  It'll boot to a blank purple screen and sit.  Then I'm forced to shut it down, and it reboots with another purple screen and an error "An error has occurred while mounting /boot"
[04:13] <BrianH> It seems unresponsive to press S to skip or M for manual recovery.
[04:18] <bjsnider> you chose to mount /boot separately from /?
[04:25] <BrianH> Where would I have chose that through the installer?
[04:26] <BrianH> I just uses the guided installer and accepted the defaults.
[04:26] <BrianH> used*
[04:27] <BrianH> My /etc/fstab shows both / and /boot ... should I remove /boot?
[04:29] <BrianH> it says in fstab above it that "# /boot was on /dev/sda1 during installation"
[04:31] <BrianH> I think that did the trick.  I commented it out and now it's booting.
[04:33] <BrianH> My USB keyboard and mouse won't work now ...
[04:43] <BrianH> Hmmm, there's nothing I can do when normal booting.  I get to the login screen and the USB mouse and keyboard are unresponsive.
[04:43] <BrianH> They work when selecting grub menus and on the live USB.
[04:45] <BrianH> When I try to boot into Recovery, I can't even use the keyboard to select anything from the first menu either.
[08:03] <peawormsworth> sudo doesnt seem to "forget" my password between logins.
[08:03] <peawormsworth> Specifically I am doing: CTRL-ALT-F1 and login as user. "sudo ls" and type password. Logout, login, "sudo ls" (no password required).
[08:07] <valorie> sudo lasts for about 5 minutes, as i recall
[08:08] <valorie> I've not tried logging out and in, though
[08:26] <peawormsworth> valorie: yup i will use "sudo -K" from now on.
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:17] <dr_willis> reset all my settings back to defaults for testing in 13.04 - noticed theres no longer a 'show all desktops/expose' type button in the panel any more.. this a bug. or a design decision to remove it?
[12:23] <dr_willis> seems i see it in some screenshots but not in others.. and i thought i had it befor i cleaned out all my user settings
[14:48] <Paddy_NI> Has unity-2d been discontinued?
[14:48] <k1l> iirc yes.
[14:49] <Paddy_NI> Iam asking as I am getting poor graphics performance on this 13.04 installation and I am wondering if 2d is still an option?
[14:49] <k1l> it was the plan to use llvmpipe for the only-2d view. but i dont know where the route is now since unity gets a change anyway
[14:50] <Paddy_NI> Oh I see, well thanks for the heads up :-)
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Paddy_NI:  have you checked out the additional drivers ?
[14:51] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj: It's an intel chipset
[14:52] <Paddy_NI> I'll check anyway :-)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> probly the i915
[14:54] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5643370/
[14:54] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj: Compiz worked well on 12.04 :-(
[14:55] <Paddy_NI> This is my sisters computer I am trying to refurbish it a little.. I have added 2gb or ram since 12.04
[15:00] <BluesKaj> running a dev OS is a bit edgy , don't you think?...not exactly stable yet
[15:11] <Paddy_NI> BluesKaj: Oh no doubt but I have the time to do this now
[15:11] <Paddy_NI> Who knows when I will have the time again
[15:11] <Paddy_NI> So it's either this or some other linux
[15:12] <ikonia> is this the same computer you where having problems with 13.04 the other day and was going back to 12.10 ?
[15:12] <ikonia> sound card and video problems as I recal
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Paddy_NI:  are you running 13.04 or 12.10?
[15:12] <Paddy_NI> 13.04
[15:12] <ikonia> is it the same computer ?
[15:13] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: Same computer however I do not intend on putting 12.10 back on it
[15:13] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: that was you plan the last time I saw it
[15:13] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: did something change ?
[15:13] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: nope
[15:13] <Paddy_NI> was not that plan at all
[15:13] <ikonia> as I recall you'd tried some random PPA fixes for your sound card
[15:13] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: I got the sound working with those fiwex
[15:13] <Paddy_NI> *fixes
[15:13] <ikonia> (apologies if I'm a bit out of date on that as I do'nt remember)
[15:14] <Paddy_NI> ;-)
[15:15] <Paddy_NI> My plan involved getting a more modern linux on the tower as the broadcom driver where previously terrible with frequent disconnects
[15:15] <Paddy_NI> Made it unusable
[15:15] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: what made you feel a more modern distro would fix that
[15:15] <ikonia> as the broadcom drivers are not linked to a distro but to the vendors packages
[15:15] <Paddy_NI> better broadcom drivers
[15:15] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: are you using the closed source ones ?
[15:15] <Paddy_NI> Drivers typically improve and undergo bug fixes
[15:16] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: Nope
[15:16] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: ah, so the open ones that are part of the kenrel
[15:16] <ikonia> kernel even
[15:16] <Paddy_NI> Yes
[15:16] <ikonia> ok, so later kernel, later versions, not unreasonable
[15:16] <Paddy_NI> I had in the past tried fw-cutter and ndiswrapper
[15:16] <ikonia> yes, no wonder that was poor
[15:18] <Paddy_NI> I am actually wondering how best to spend my time now.. I have very limited time and it's unlikely I will be able to sort this for her in to the next few months which is not an option so I might try a different distro if graphics are now going to be so bad
[15:18] <Paddy_NI> youtube videos are like slideshows
[15:19] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: what xorg driver is being used ?
[15:19] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: I am not sure on that one
[15:19] <ikonia> checked the logs ?
[15:19] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: I'm only asking as changing distros won't help that as all distros use "xorg"
[15:20] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: I have had a brief flick through them although I have no idea what I am looking for
[15:20] <ikonia> basically which xorg module is being loaded for your card
[15:21] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: just keep in mind though that swapping distros will probably do nothing if it's an internal xorg driver being used
[15:22] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: The bodhi linux live usb ran like a dream with hardware accelerated graphics
[15:22] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: ok - so comparing which xorg driver is being used would be the way forward
[15:23] <Paddy_NI> So that is what makes me think of changing to one that gets me a usable system
[15:23] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: I suspect it's falling back to vesa or something in Ubuntu
[15:23] <Paddy_NI> [    18.952] (II) intel(0): SNA compiled: xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.21.5-0ubuntu1 (Timo Aaltonen <tjaalton@ubuntu.com>)
[15:23] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: so forcing it to the right module, would fix that
[15:23] <ikonia> (bascially)
[15:23] <Paddy_NI> That is what I found in the xorg log
[15:23] <Paddy_NI> Is that not useful?
[15:23] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: it only loads that one module ?
[15:23] <Paddy_NI> Its a big file
[15:24] <ikonia> it should load more than one, but then only use one
[15:24] <ikonia> I'd expect it to load 2 - maybe 3
[15:24] <Paddy_NI> should I pastebin the output as its not immediately clear
[15:24] <ikonia> nah, I don't really want to go through your logs
[15:24] <ikonia> just worth keeping in mind what I said
[15:25] <Paddy_NI> [    19.303] (II) intel(0): [XvMC] i915_xvmc driver initialized.
[15:25] <Paddy_NI> Looks like the driver it decided to use
[15:26] <Paddy_NI> xvmc shouldbe good ?
[15:26] <ikonia> I'd expect it to use the generic "intel"
[15:26] <ikonia> rather than i915
[15:27] <Paddy_NI> How do I force it to use intel?
[15:27] <ikonia> create an xorg.conf
[15:27] <BluesKaj> i915 seems to be the default on most intel gpus on 13.04
[15:28] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: what actual chip is the video card ?
[15:29] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: I am not sure.. lspci 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[15:30] <ikonia> Paddy_NI: I'd check which xorg module works best with that, I'm surprised it's "i915" rather than "intel"
[15:48] <Paddy_NI> ikonia: I think this is way to much hassle and distro hopping until I find one that fits seems much easier
[15:48] <Paddy_NI> Oh and thanks for your time :-)
[16:39] <arand> Hmm, I'm getting 50k download from the cdimage server, would it be faster to install Q and upgrade to get an R system, or are there any netinstall images for R or similar?
[16:45] <yofel_> arand: there is a mini iso for raring. Go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD, copy the quantal URL of the image that you want and replace quantal with raring in the URL
[16:45] <arand> how sneaky :)
[16:46] <arand> thanks.
[17:19] <Belial> anyone noticing that after you unmaximize certain windows in unity, that you can no longer use the windows controls or anything that's inside of the title bar of the window? you have to restart the program for it to work again.
[17:19] <Belial> i've noticed this with gwibber and firefox so far.
[17:21] <penguin42> does anyone else on KDE find they seem to be gaining some black screen blanker windows on every boot?
[17:24] <yofel_> penguin42: during boot or do you mean black windows in the session?
[17:25] <penguin42> yofel: When the session is restored I have a few *extra* windows that are black, kblkscreen I think
[17:26] <yofel> hm, can't say I ever had that.
[17:27] <yofel> the only thing that happens every now and then is panels and windows being black after adjusting the screen resolution
[17:27] <yofel> (when using a 2nd screen)
[17:28] <penguin42> yofel: It looks to me as though there is a process saving it's self in the session wrongly for some reason
[17:30] <yofel> hm, that could be, but I don't know in what config file to look. The session management has an application blacklist that you could use if you find out what's creating those windows
[17:35] <penguin42> session management tends to run away and hide from where I last found it
[17:59] <bjsnider> ther's basically two intel graphics drivers: i810, if you've got old junk hardware, and i915 for anything relatively new
[17:59] <bjsnider> so if you lsmod an intel system, you'll see one or the other of those modules
[18:08]  * dupondje is getting hopeless to get empathy working :(
[18:28]  * penguin42 found my libreoffice problem - interaction with Klipper - if Klipper is configured to synchronice clipboard and selection it really screws up
[18:29] <penguin42> dupondje: I've never had any empathy for empathy
[18:50] <eboyblue3> Hi.
[18:50] <eboyblue3> Is anyone active?
[18:51] <eboyblue3> !patience | eboyblue3
[18:52]  * eboyblue3 waits for someone to be available
[18:53] <penguin42> imagine for a moment that someone was active, what would you say to them?
[18:53] <eboyblue3> Oh.
[18:53] <eboyblue3> Do you support PowerPC?
[18:54] <bekks> Whats your actual support question?
[18:55] <penguin42> eboyblue3: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/raring/   there seems to be a raring build of lubuntu in there
[18:55] <penguin42> eboyblue3: ...for ppc that is
[18:55] <eboyblue3> I'm almost done downloading the daily iso for PowerPC
[18:56] <penguin42> eboyblue3: I don't have any PPC machines with enough umph to run Ubuntu
[18:56] <eboyblue3> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:56] <penguin42> only ancient stuff
[18:56] <eboyblue3> It lists PowerPC in there
[18:56] <eboyblue3> Plus, I have a Power Mac G5 dual-core 2 GhZ
[18:56] <penguin42> eboyblue3: I'm not aware of anyone on here who runs PPC but ask a specific question
[18:57] <bekks> eboyblue3: Whats your actual support question?
[18:58] <eboyblue3> I try to boot from a CD with Ubuntu PPC installed on it, but it starts hanging at one point and fills the screen with [ . ]
[18:58] <eboyblue3> It's not supposed to happen
[18:58] <eboyblue3> Or is it?
[18:59] <tyrog> Hi. Is anybody here using Kubuntu 13.04, the development release, daily?
[18:59] <eboyblue3> I'm currently in Mac OS X 10.5.8
[18:59] <penguin42> eboyblue3: I doubt it - I suspect you're going to need to find someone PPC specific; as I remember there was a bit of an art to getting stuff to work on Macs; I had Debian working on one a few years ago but it took a bit of a fight
[18:59] <penguin42> tyrog: I'm running with KDE on rarin up todate as of today
[19:00] <eboyblue3> My iso finished downloading
[19:02] <tyrog> penguin42: No problems? I think I would just jump right into 13.04 now, because KDE4.10 is stable and not in constant change as Unity. The rest of the previews seem to favor 13.04 against 12.10. How would you compare them?
[19:03] <penguin42> tyrog: A few minor problems
[19:03] <penguin42> tyrog: I'm getting the Muon updater segging once in a while, and I'm seeing an extra blank window appear when I login that I seem to have to close; other than that it's happy
[19:04] <tyrog> penguin42: Yeah I mostly use the terminal for package management so no problems for me I think. In terms of speed and responsiveness, how would you compare them?
[19:05] <penguin42> tyrog: 13.04 is doing good - no perf problems on my box
[19:06] <penguin42>  <food>

[19:59] <tyrog> penguin42: All the software works? No crashes?
[19:59] <penguin42> tyrog: As I said, only problem I had was an occasional muon crash
[19:59] <penguin42> anyway, time to go now
[20:15] <dr_willis> Hmm.. trying to add a ppa.. and it seems to be hanging.. anyone else noticed this?
[20:15] <dr_willis> gpg: keyring `/tmp/tmp96pw_k/pubring.gpg' created
[20:15] <dr_willis> gpg: requesting key 3B1510FD from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[20:15] <dr_willis> and then it just waits....
[20:16] <dr_willis> now it timed out.. keyserver is down ?
[20:22] <ironhalik> huh, no free space on /boot :>
[20:25] <ironhalik> how can I list all installed kernels and remove some of them? apt-get autoremove linux-image-<version> should be enough?
[20:41] <dr_willis> i dont think autoremove works that way
[20:42] <dr_willis> i think i saw some scripts/commands at askubuntu.com on removeing all but the current kernel
[20:43] <ironhalik> I think it worked, removed all the images, created new initram and configured grub
[20:44] <ironhalik> btw, do I still need to use discard flag on SSDs to have TRIM support?
[20:46] <bekks> ironhalik: Yes.
[21:21] <alankila> you can just execute "sudo fstrim /" every few months or so if you don't want to do the mount discard option
[21:22] <alankila> at least for some SSDs, discard really slows them down
[21:22] <ironhalik> just did the fstrim
[21:22] <ironhalik> is there a way to do it on LVM volumes?
[21:23] <alankila> there are also some reasons to think that discard's significance is fairly low. That is because of the sandforce controller and its advanced algorithms like compression and data deduplication. it generally means that the SSD has empty flash blocks it needs to maintain good performance even without discard.
[21:24] <alankila> afaik lvm passes the discard on to any underlying device it has
[21:25] <ironhalik> I've got crucial m4, based on marvell, and intel 520
[21:26] <ironhalik> so no GC in those (or at least none on par with sandforce ones)
[22:50] <oscailt> Hi. Just wondering if anyone knows whether or not 13.04; is currently supporting the Realtek "RTL8723AE-BT" wireless driver?
[23:03] <oscailt> H. Lost connection so sorry for asking the same question twice in a row.
[23:04] <oscailt> Just wondering if anyone knows anything about the Realtek RTL8723AE-BT in regards to 13.04