[14:35] <Lawliet9> Hello !
[15:13] <dscassel> Hello!
[18:28] <txwikinger> Interesting blog post by Mark http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1228
[18:28] <txwikinger> I just wonder what he wants to say with this. Ubuntu is not a community distro?
[19:03] <DarwinSurvivor> sort of
[19:03] <DarwinSurvivor> some distros are "pure community" distros where every idea is voted on and the "leader" basically just sets meeting times and handles management
[19:04] <DarwinSurvivor> other distros (like RedHat) are not community distros at all. They have a boss that sets criteria, hires employees and makes all the decisions
[19:05] <DarwinSurvivor> Ubuntu is somewhere in the middle. The work is done mostly by volunteers (though there are some employees) and many of the decisions are made by community sub-comittes (like the desktop team), but major design decisions (like rolling vs release) are still made by the leader (Mark)
[19:07] <txwikinger> Well. technically by the techical board in which Mark is the only permanent member
[19:19] <DarwinSurvivor> technically yes
[19:20] <DarwinSurvivor> but I have a feeling he has a bit more unofficial pull than the other members...
[19:20] <DarwinSurvivor> as he said, not every decision goes his way, but he does tend to get his way on the really big decisions
[19:24] <txwikinger> I just wonder what made him post this blog post
[19:24] <txwikinger> It obviously did not rub very well with Kubuntu people
[19:25] <txwikinger> And it seem to be in line with less and less community support by Canonical
[19:28] <txwikinger> I still do not know what they mean by rolling releases anyway.. Asked that question at vUdS .. but there was not a lot of clarification
[19:29] <txwikinger> Mark seems to be for more releases.. I am not sure what he is against exacctly
[19:53] <DarwinSurvivor> rolling release means there are no discreet release versions
[19:53] <DarwinSurvivor> so instead of getting new features on a set date, you get them as soon as they are ready
[19:53] <DarwinSurvivor> what mark is against is getting rid of discreet release
[19:54] <DarwinSurvivor> with rolling release, there would no longer be "versions" (12.04, 12.10, 13.04, etc) of ubuntu, it would just be "ubuntu" and how up to date you are would simply be indicated by what date you last performed an update
[19:55] <DarwinSurvivor> so instead of 13.04 coming out next month, they would just push out all the updates for it now, then whenever a new version of anything (application, x-server, driver, etc) is available and tested, they'd just push it to the repositories
[19:57] <DarwinSurvivor> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release has a good description and a list of different types of rolling release (basically different types implement it to differing degrees)
[19:57] <DarwinSurvivor> for example, some types of rolling release will only update certain software on a rolling schedule (like Firefox is in Ubuntu) and other software would be fixed to the current release
[20:01] <dscassel> The whole rolling release thing was not handled well, politically.
[20:01] <dscassel> But you have to give them some credit: it was a discussion that happened out in the open, using the proper process.
[20:02] <dscassel> The problem is people (like in the Kubuntu community) don't believe that process actually means anything anymore.
[20:30] <DarwinSurvivor> I can see his point though. He's worried it will make it less stable for production and server environments, which is a valid concern
[20:31] <DarwinSurvivor> personally I like rolling release (my laptop runs arch), but I can see how those in the server industry may move away from Ubuntu if such a change were made
[20:32] <DarwinSurvivor> What I'd like to see is making the regular version rolling release, then freezing it every couple years for a production-level LTS.
[20:33] <DarwinSurvivor> so instead of testers testing alpha for 3 months, then beta for 3 months, they'd have a choice between testing alpha 100% of the time, beta 100% of the time or the regular version 100% of the time
[20:33] <DarwinSurvivor> then just promote packages from alpha -> beta -> release as they are found to be stable enough