[00:03] <jjmarin_> Ponch0: you're right, just there won't be real differences in the changes I mentioned
[00:10] <Ponch0> jjmarin_: I see, either way DE is the best I've encountered and super efficient.
[00:11] <jjmarin_> Ponch0: DE ?
[00:11] <Ponch0> desktop environment, sorry.
[00:13] <Ponch0> It sure as hell beats Windows 8, when I'm scrolling through huge icons with a mouse on a laptop. That was meant for a tablet.
[00:13] <jjmarin_> I wasn't sure :)
[00:13] <jjmarin_> No really
[00:14] <jjmarin_> big icons also helps to use the DE with less mouse precision
[00:15] <jjmarin_> also, the number of objects that a human can process is limited
[00:16] <jjmarin_> main user interaction covered by gnome is mouse and keyboard
[00:48] <Ponch0> jjmarin_: I never thought about it that way, but it makes sense.
[10:10] <darkxst> all the bits for gnome ownCloud integration should be in place now (on staging ppa) ;)
[15:34] <jbicha> ricotz: do you want to revert the Nautilus commits that drop drawing the desktop? bug 1159430
[16:07] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, no, and imo we shouldn't do that
[16:07] <ricotz> g-s-d is suppose to take of it
[16:12] <jbicha> ricotz: does that work for people using unity or metacity?
[16:13] <ricotz> jbicha, works in metacity, havent checked unity (while i kind of never use it)
[16:13] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=gnome-3-8&id=99da10fa
[16:15] <jbicha> oh I guess we revert that in g-s-d
[16:16] <ricotz> jbicha, will this be in g-s-d 3.8?
[16:16] <ricotz> ah nevermind
[16:16] <ricotz> isnt unity having its own way to draw the background?
[16:16] <ricotz> or does it rely on nautilus?
[16:17] <jbicha> ricotz: I believe Unity will rely on Nautilus until sometime next cycle
[16:18] <ricotz> i see, that is too bad
[16:18] <jbicha> I believe it works for you since you don't have nautilus draw desktop icons, unfortunately Unity does the opposite
[16:18] <ricotz> fyi drawing the icons works
[16:18] <ricotz> while g-s-d is initializing the background
[16:18] <jbicha> Unity will get fixed, it's metacity I'm more concerned about since no one cares there
[16:20] <ricotz> jbicha, keeping the g-s-d revert is enough for metacity
[16:20] <jbicha> it's another one of those disruptive changes GNOME lands after the Freeze
[16:21] <ricotz> (nautilus is using a rgba window and doesnt touch the root window)
[16:21] <ricotz> (so everything else can draw the background)
[16:23] <ricotz> jbicha, so adding the override to enable the g-s-d background drawing will be enough
[17:06] <dupondje> Bleh, upgraded to newest empathy, and still broken as hell :(
[17:37] <dupondje> empathy seems to be a pain in teh ass :(
[17:40] <dupondje> empathy even gives errors on facebook & wl ssl certs :(
[17:40] <dupondje> rofl
[17:47] <dupondje> Is there a place to report bugs in the gnome3 ppa ?
[17:47] <dupondje> 'Open agenda' in gnome3 opens gedit ... :(
[20:58] <darkxst> dupondje, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/841409