[00:00] <xubuntu825> is there a setting, that makes me turn on wireless card?
[00:03] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu825:  you probably don't have a module loaded for the wifi card - seen the wifi docs?
[00:03] <well_laid_lawn> !wifi
[00:03] <well_laid_lawn> CrazyArseMutt:  my middle name is Lawnton
[00:06] <xubuntu825> ok thanks. sudo lshw -C network does not give me (un)claimed dis or enabled
[00:06] <xubuntu825> maybe i should check bios?
[00:11] <xubuntu825> well laid lawn, i check the documents but theres no info there. how do i find a module for the card
[00:12] <xubuntu825> iwconfig gives me: no wireless extensions etho no wireless extensions. bios?
[00:15] <well_laid_lawn> lspci should show the card
[00:17] <a27x64sy> does "lspci | grep Network" list your wireless adapter?
[00:17] <xubuntu825> you are right. it shows Ali corp..... air link
[00:19] <xubuntu825> lspci | grep network or Network do not show anything
[00:20] <xubuntu825> mm, ok could it be a bug, a mising driver, or should i go into bios?
[00:22] <well_laid_lawn> I'd get the full name for it and have a google to see how well it is supported
[00:23] <xubuntu825> it worked previously. i change the bios settings and my mouse started working. but ill google it
[00:24] <well_laid_lawn> maybe check the bios and see if it is enabled then
[00:25] <well_laid_lawn> if you dualboot with windows sometimes the wifi gets shut off when you quit windows afaik
[00:26] <xubuntu825> thanks let me do that first
[00:30] <xubuntu825> where would a wireless card be located? im in advance: internal devices, pci, cpu, usb?
[00:35] <well_laid_lawn> bioses can vary - I'd guess pci
[00:46] <xubuntu825> no luck bios did not fix it. what would you do next?
[00:47] <xubuntu825> i would like to have wireless, cause trackpad does not work either, but i will i figure that later
[00:51] <well_laid_lawn> like I suggested - get the full device name from lspci and see if it is supported - pastebin lspci output xubuntu825
[00:55] <xubuntu825> ok i will one sec
[01:04] <xubuntu825> pastebin.com/RFvFaNA4
[01:05] <xubuntu825> pastebin.com/FRvFANA4 sorry
[01:06] <well_laid_lawn> there's no wifi card listed there - I thought you said it showed in lspci ?
[01:07] <well_laid_lawn> second link fails
[01:14] <ner0x> Anyway to get the files off one.ubuntu.com without having to install the entire app?
[01:21] <Cheri703> ner0x: go to the site, log in, download?
[01:22] <ner0x> Cheri703: They do it one by one...
[01:22] <xubuntu825> mm let me check well laid lawn
[01:26] <xubuntu825> mm i gues you are correct i thought ALi corporation might be Airlink
[01:27] <xubuntu825> gues your right
[01:28] <xubuntu825> i dont know where to turn now
[01:31] <Cheri703> ner0x: you didn't specify that you wanted it in one lump. why don't you want the app? That'd be the easiest way
[01:31] <ner0x> Cheri703: I can but just didn't want to go through the install.
[01:31] <Cheri703> ok
[01:35] <xubuntu341> hi there, new to xubuntu and xfce in general. just had a quick question.
[01:36] <xubuntu341> the default, xscreensaver lock screen is hideous. is there anyway to have lightdm handle the lock screen?
[01:37] <xubuntu341> i've looked around, and the best solution i've found is the gnome-screensaver lock screen, but there is no way (that I could find at least) to configure it
[01:55] <donnie> So I'm trying to learn about Swap. I read that I can use a thumb drive as temp swap space for certain projects that use more 'ram' and will greatly increase the performance over all... True or false? I have a 16gb flashdrive. I don't mind formatting for swap for certain things and performance boost
[02:02] <donnie> Ooh. What if I used an old 30gb as a swap drive... would that do anything? :D
[02:03] <GridCube> not really
[02:03] <len-1304> Swap is slow. It will not improve performance for the most part.
[02:03] <len-1304> Swap will keep the OS from tossing out some app at random in an OOM situation
[02:03] <GridCube> unless you do like a gazillion transactions on a huge server that needs lots of memory for some reason
[02:04] <len-1304> An old 30G drive is likely to be slower than a newer larger drive
[02:04] <len-1304> You will notice that Ubuntu tries to put the swap at the outside of the disk, not the center.
[02:05] <len-1304> That is because the highest transfer rate is on the outside half of the drive.
[02:07] <len-1304> A compressed ram drive will speed up things some what compared to drive swap (not enough for audio :) )
[02:08] <CrazyArseMutt> is the i386 the 32bit download?
[02:08] <len-1304> But it will also be like getting a bit more ram and when you hit the ram wall things will not quite stop dead as they do when the app you are using hit swap.
[02:08] <len-1304> CrazyArseMutt, yes i386 is 32bit
[02:08] <CrazyArseMutt> thanks
[02:19] <ner0x> Cheri703: ca-certs were broken. That's why it wouldn't work. lol
[02:59] <xubuntu825> anybody with old bus cards experience? xubuntu doenst detect mine
[03:55] <xubuntu624> hello i downloaded drive (.zip) extension for a non operative bus card. how do i extract the file?
[03:55] <xubuntu624> where to
[03:56] <holstein> depends really.. i would just extract it and see if there is a readme
[03:58] <xubuntu624> holstein hey, is yellowmans. you helped me before. non working mouse
[03:59] <holstein> xubuntu624: cheers
[03:59] <xubuntu624> well trackpad still doesnt work, but got wireless usb mouse working, cheers
[04:00] <xubuntu624> ive been researching about the wireless card that is not working either, and came accross an article that said to download a drvier from realtek
[04:00] <holstein> xubuntu624: i would put in the card.. run lspci, see what the id is, and just search the forums
[04:01] <xubuntu624> ive been doing that, nothing, it doesnt even detect it. no lights no blinking, nothing.
[04:03] <xubuntu624> ive been trying for a few hours. lspci shows a cardbus bridge but not the card i have
[04:04] <holstein> xubuntu624: does that card work in any other machine? does any card work in that machine?
[04:05] <xubuntu624> it did worked before, with 11.10. im not sure that it worked before i think it did worked with 12.04
[04:05] <xubuntu624> but i plug the machine with wire for the updates, and has not worked since
[04:05] <holstein> xubuntu624: i would load up the live CD that it worked with and test it
[04:05] <holstein> xubuntu624: you can boot the older kernel and check then
[04:06] <holstein> if you feel a kernel upgrade "broke" it
[04:06] <xubuntu624> would i choose "fix a broken system" from the live disk?
[04:07] <holstein> i would boot the live desktop
[04:09] <xubuntu624> i think the xbuntu 12.04 has only install, fix a broken system, load from hard disk, options
[04:09] <holstein> xubuntu624: nope.. you can "try without installing"
[04:10] <holstein> xubuntu624: make sure you are booting the live CD
[04:10] <holstein> or, boot an older kernel
[04:11] <xubuntu624> mm. i had another disk that had the try w/o installing but this one doesnt, unless is hidden somewhere
[04:12] <holstein> xubuntu624: they all do.. you see an "install" option? otherwise, im pretty certain, you are *not* booting the CD
[04:13] <holstein> xubuntu624: http://mengweilu.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/04_xubuntu.jpg
[04:13] <holstein> something like that ^^
[04:18] <xubuntu624> the one i have is not like that
[04:19] <xubuntu624> is like this http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59617-Cant-install-just-sits-on-splash-screen
[04:19] <xubuntu624> instead of start it says install
[04:20] <holstein> xubuntu624: i would check the iso.. i would try nomodeset.. i would try tapping shift at boot and see if you see other options
[04:20] <holstein> xubuntu624: thats not the live CD..
[04:20] <xubuntu624> ok i will do that
[04:20] <xubuntu624> ...ok.
[04:21] <xubuntu624> it is..
[04:22] <holstein> xubuntu624: if it is, then boot it live.. otherwise, you'll need to download a live CD, or just try booting the older kernel
[04:22] <xubuntu624> ok i will try that. i thank you
[04:42] <SuperLag> Anyone have trouble getting XFCE to respect the "default browser" settings? I've set it as google-chrome, but when I log back in, it's saying no default is set.
[04:47] <Cheri703> SuperLag: mine did that for a while, then it stopped. I have no idea what changed.
[04:47] <well_laid_lawn> are you saving the session?
[04:47] <Cheri703> do you have chromium installed too?
[04:48] <Cheri703> mine was weird when I had chrome and chromium. not sure that uninstalling fixed it, just that I know it was being weird with it.
[04:56] <SuperLag> well_laid_lawn: saving the session?
[04:56] <SuperLag> Cheri703: I have the stable Chrome installed. No Chromium.
[04:57] <well_laid_lawn> yes saving the session - in the sessions and startup part of the system settings
[04:58] <SuperLag> well_laid_lawn: I wasn't, no. But I just did, and rebooted... and Chrome is open.
[04:59] <well_laid_lawn> does thast mean your issue is solved?
[04:59] <well_laid_lawn> s/ast/at/
[05:07] <SuperLag> good question
[05:07] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[05:08] <SuperLag> haha
[05:08] <SuperLag> well... I just tried a logout / login cycle... and xfce4-session crashed
[05:09] <SuperLag> nice
[05:09] <SuperLag> I am using a beta version of Xubuntu, after all... so I guess I'm asking for it.
[05:09] <well_laid_lawn> you play with fire you'll get burnt
[05:10] <SuperLag> and no, I'm guessing the problem is *not* solved
[05:10] <SuperLag> because... I'm sending the crash report on, and instead of opening Chrome, I'm getting the dialog asking me to choose the preferred web browser
[05:11] <SuperLag> however, the problem seems masked to some degree... because the "remembered session" is opening Chrome
[05:11] <well_laid_lawn> tried running xdg-preferred-applications from the terminal ?
[05:11] <well_laid_lawn> I think that's it's name
[05:12] <well_laid_lawn> xdg<tab><tab>
[05:13] <SuperLag> nope, that's not one of the options
[05:13] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[07:07] <_genuser_> hello people. is there not a netbook edition of xubuntu or some other edition that will take less than 4G of space to install?
[07:07] <_genuser_> trying to install it as fullblown on a 4G usb stick. along with grub etc on usb.
[07:07] <_genuser_> 64-bit installation requires 4.4G
[07:07] <SunStar> nope
[07:08] <SunStar> there is the alternate install disk
[07:08] <SunStar> that needs like 2.2 i think
[07:08] <_genuser_> the alternate install disk will install the regular but with less packages?
[07:08] <SunStar> i havent used it
[07:08] <SunStar> you may want to look into knoppix
[07:09] <_genuser_> hmmm, alternate does say it only requires 2G on disk to install. but it only downloads via torrent.
[07:11] <SunStar> what i did when i didnt have enough drive space was make a live disk, delete the peristence file (casper) and replace it with an ext2 partition and run it like that
[07:12] <_genuser_> I tried exactly that but, the Universal USB installer has a problem creating live stick with 12.10 packages. And unetbootin has other issues with this specific version.
[07:13] <_genuser_> ok found alternate installation disk. that should work.
[09:22] <Simon[RW]> I need to install an OS on my family's laptop. they will use it for watching movies, making office documents and presentations, and surfing the web. I've had it with Win 7, so I decided to try Linux. would Xubuntu 12.10 x64 be good?
[09:25] <Spike29> Simon[RW]: yes, but Xubuntu 12.04 is even better, because it is a Long-Term-Support version (supported till April 2015) :-)
[09:25] <Simon[RW]> oh, I've already downloaded the image
[09:26] <Simon[RW]> think it would be better if I download 12.04?
[09:27] <Spike29> Simon[RW]: Xubuntu 12.10 is supported till April 2014, but it's still ok to install on a laptop
[09:27] <Simon[RW]> yeah, sure, I hope LibreOffice or whatever will be compatible with basic .docx
[09:27] <baizon> +1 for 12.04
[09:29] <Simon[RW]> okay, I trust you guys, downloading 12.04 now
[09:33] <Simon[RW]> also, can I use a live USB for the installation?
[09:33] <Spike29> sure
[09:34] <Simon[RW]> is UNetbootin any good?
[09:37] <leoquant> yes Simon[RW]
[09:38] <Simon[RW]> okay, I'll let you know when I've installed it
[09:38] <Simon[RW]> then we can go on
[09:56] <abderraouf> hi
[09:56] <abderraouf> Hello
[09:56] <abderraouf> There are two proposals to improve Xubuntu
[09:56] <abderraouf> One:
[09:56] <abderraouf> Director files property add make each executable files. And not only a particular file type.
[09:56] <abderraouf> Two:
[09:57] <abderraouf> Add graphical interface to insert the proxy.
[09:57] <abderraouf> Greetings from the Linux community Arab.
[10:13] <Simon[RW]> so I began the installation process on the laptop
[10:14] <Simon[RW]> I'm typing this from my desktop with Windows 7
[10:14] <Simon[RW]> that's why my Firefox keeps crashing
[10:36] <Simon[RW]> okay, xubuntu is installed, now what's the first thing I need to do?
[10:36] <freedomrun> how about using it
[10:37] <Simon[RW]> well
[10:37] <Simon[RW]> what about that apt -get update command
[10:37] <freedomrun> usage will discover the things you need
[10:38] <freedomrun> you should get notification from system about that
[10:38] <freedomrun> don`t worry
[10:38] <freedomrun> updates are checked automaticaly
[10:38] <Simon[RW]> okay, what about drivers?
[10:38] <Simon[RW]> I know it's only a laptop
[10:38] <Simon[RW]> but still
[10:38] <freedomrun> is everything working ok?
[10:39] <Simon[RW]> looks like it
[10:39] <freedomrun> then don`t worry
[10:39] <Simon[RW]> I'll tell you in 15 minutes, ok?
[10:39] <freedomrun> :) ok
[10:39] <xubuntu289> hello everyone
[10:39] <freedomrun> hi
[10:39] <xubuntu289> I have  a little question to you all
[10:39] <xubuntu289> is there someone with 3 minutes
[10:40] <xubuntu289> to clear my point, please? :-)
[10:40] <freedomrun> just ask
[10:41] <xubuntu289> i have my acer notebook "fried"
[10:41] <freedomrun> ?!
[10:41] <xubuntu289> seems that the boot can't read the Hard drive
[10:41] <xubuntu289> so windows 7 doesn't start
[10:42] <Simon[RW]> omg, when that happened to us, we had to buy a new hard drive
[10:42] <xubuntu289> i thought i could try to use a linux distro
[10:42] <xubuntu289> installed on a pen drive
[10:42] <xubuntu289> to see if it's a windows problem
[10:42] <xubuntu289> or the HD left me forever
[10:42] <freedomrun> xubuntu289, what are you trying to say? Did you tried to install xubuntu along the windows?
[10:43] <xubuntu289> no
[10:43] <xubuntu289> I want to know if xubuntu is a good choice within the Linux distribution to be installed on the pendrive
[10:44] <xubuntu289> to see if the HD is accessible from linux OS
[10:44] <Simon[RW]> as far as I know
[10:45] <Simon[RW]> it will be very laggy
[10:45] <Simon[RW]> and the installation will take a long, long time
[10:45] <freedomrun> can you be more specific about what procidures you have done about the hard drive? ...
[10:45] <Simon[RW]> it's also complicated to install it on a pen drive
[10:45] <xubuntu289> i'm gonna use a program called "Universal USB installer"
[10:46] <xubuntu289> I've found plenty of guides on the web
[10:46] <Simon[RW]> you can try
[10:46] <xubuntu289> i didnt' do anything on the hard drive
[10:46] <Simon[RW]> what happens when you try to boot?
[10:46] <freedomrun> xubuntu289, does your laptop have an cd player?
[10:46] <xubuntu289> yes it does
[10:47] <xubuntu289> thank you for the help guys, i have to leave the computer now
[10:47] <xubuntu289> i'll be coming back later
[10:47] <xubuntu289> have a nice day!
[10:48] <Simon[RW]> you too
[10:48] <freedomrun> xubuntu289, then go to: http://partedmagic.com/doku.php grab a cd image and burn it .. you will get linux for all your partition and hd needs with visual tools (GUIs)
[10:49] <Simon[RW]> freedomrun, I've installed a proprietary AMD graphics driver, and now I'm getting 75 updates
[10:49] <freedomrun> Simon[RW], you see :)
[10:50] <Simon[RW]> just asking, is this usually a dead channel? am I disturbing the peace?
[10:51] <freedomrun> no
[11:34] <_genuser_> guys, I have a xubuntu installation with 122M left on /.
[11:35] <_genuser_> is there a way to create a file and mount it as a loop device and add that space to the rootfs?
[11:45] <xubuntu102> hello. how can i make xubuntu 12.04 play dvds?
[11:46] <xubuntu102> uanble to mount iso 9660 and udf errors
[12:20] <TheSheep> !dvd | xubuntu102
[12:27] <Pensacola> is it a bug that xubuntu doesn't remember the audio device?
[12:27] <Pensacola> I have a HD-audio device and a Nvidia HDMI device, but it always returns to HD-audio after reboot
[13:41] <Simon[RW]> do you need any audio drivers for Xubuntu?
[13:53] <Simon[RW]> see
[13:54] <Simon[RW]> I now have Xubuntu on my laptop, but I'm going to connect it to a TV and watch movies
[13:54] <Simon[RW]> do I need additional drivers for audio?
[13:56] <knome> you shouldn't
[13:56] <knome> why don't you try and see?
[14:03] <Simon[RW]> okay
[14:04] <Simon[RW]> I'm leaving now, I'll be back later
[14:13] <xubuntu876> hello discs will not mount udf errors. gnome not helping , anyone with experience?
[14:53] <xubuntu453> can anyone help me with udf: not mounting any disks?
[15:52] <xubuntu453> anybody can help me with no playing dvds?
[15:58] <knome> !dvd | xubuntu453
[15:59] <xubuntu453> ok thank you ill look into it
[16:16] <xubuntu453> knome thank you much it did the trick
[16:30] <jost> Hi! Could it be that the default archive manager ignores the password when creating password-protected .zip-files?
[16:30] <jost> Or am I missing something?
[16:34] <jost> Got it... only the file contents are password protected, not the archive index itself.
[17:11] <xubuntu637> Heyo, anyone else had any issues with the 13.04 daily build not installing GRUB?
[17:22] <batabo> hi all
[17:22] <batabo> can't get my sound to work
[17:23] <batabo> help?
[17:23] <xubuntu453> hello does anyone knows what an orange exclamation sign next to the date means?
[17:23] <batabo> xubuntu453 - probably notification on updates
[17:25] <batabo> pozdrav, da li neko govori nas jezik?
[17:26] <batabo> ?
[17:26] <batabo> anyone here actually?
[17:27] <xubuntu453> batabo, is not netting me click on it
[17:28] <batabo> xubuntu453 - guess a restart didn't help?
[17:31] <batabo> xubuntu453 you can try using Settings Manager/Software Updater
[17:33] <batabo> anyone got experience setting up sound?
[17:40] <batabo> can't get my sound to work - help?
[17:41] <rosipov> how do I check what network card model do I have?
[17:41] <well_laid_lawn> batabo:  have you tried using pavucontrol?
[17:42] <well_laid_lawn> rosipov:  it should show up in   lspci   run in a terminal
[17:42] <well_laid_lawn> !wifi | rosipov
[17:42] <batabo> just a moment - will do
[17:44] <batabo> well_laid_lawn - all seems fine in pavucontrol
[17:44] <well_laid_lawn> speakers are turned on?
[17:45] <well_laid_lawn> !sound
[17:45] <rosipov> well_laid_lawn: merci!
[17:46] <batabo> !sound bash: !sound: event not found
[19:15] <user__> Hello, I seem to have a small issue
[19:19] <TheSheep> user__: don't worry, they say that the size doesn't matter
[19:36] <xubuntu116> How can i format a sd card in xubuntu ? I try gparted but nothing happens.. the sd card is formated in ext4 and i can not even delete any files there.
[22:47] <mkultra> ahoy, 12.04 will be my flash gentoo installer key for 4 moar years you guys say?
[22:47] <mkultra> can i bring down flash and stuff to watch youtube and facebook while i am in that 4 year span?
[22:48] <holstein> mkultra: we dont/cant maintain flash.. chrome browser has the most recent version of flash for linux
[22:49] <mkultra> i had a 10.10 disk and it was horrible, no youtube, no xchat, no synaptic to pull anything like xchat in
[22:49] <holstein> mkultra: you just install synaptic, or use whatever package manager you like
[22:49] <holstein> youtube is not an application
[22:50] <Cheri703> also, it likely had ubuntu software center instead of synaptic
[22:50] <mkultra> yeah im just curious how long the flash and browsers and stuffs gonna be good for, i probably wont need to re install for a while
[22:50] <Cheri703> iirc 10.10 was when that changed over
[22:50] <mkultra> it was synaptic
[22:51] <mkultra> im down from my desktop to my rescue laptop
[22:51] <holstein> mkultra: google chrome provides the most current version of flash.. it will be good til its not, and there really is no way to know/prediect that.. usually some things support older versions, and some dont
[22:52] <mkultra> 10.10 was before html5 browsers i was kinda shocked about that, its not that old....
[22:52] <holstein> mkultra: you just install whatever browser you want/need
[22:52] <SunStar> 10 was crap any way
[22:52] <holstein> "crap" is a matter of opinion.. 10.04 is still supported, and works quite well
[22:53] <mkultra> 10.04 is ultra old
[22:53] <mkultra> i hate the dash....
[22:53] <holstein> mkultra: depends on how you look at it.. its just 3 years.. most os's have a 3 year support cycle
[22:53] <mkultra> my ubuntu keys stopped working on me, so im re unetbootin them
[22:54] <mkultra> i think ubuntu should of made a gubuntu to keep the gnomes going on
[22:54] <holstein> mkultra: you can install gnome
[22:54] <holstein> !nounity
[22:54] <SunStar> you are welcome to make it
[22:55] <holstein> ubuntu is doing what it always did.. provide the most current version of gnome in the repositories
[22:56] <mkultra> im on gnome2 right now, i dont like 3, but i still like 3 over unity or what ever...  dash lol
[22:56] <mkultra> i wrote a bunch of ubuntu articles a while ago, they are archived goodies now
[22:56] <holstein> xfce is a lot like the older gnome2 look/feel.. current, clean and well supported..
[22:56] <holstein> !xubuntu
[22:57] <David-A> mkultra: there is also the Mate desktop that looks very much like the old gnome
[22:57] <mkultra> i was originally xfce for a long long time, then sometime during the 4 series they took a left turn for the worse, but theres been a recurrence of use and fixings
[22:58] <mkultra> all i really want is a gnome2 or xfce live rescue disk with irc and browsers to watch garbage on while the computers being fixed in the background
[22:59] <mkultra> maybe a little disk checking / ram checking, nm-applet stuff of that sort
[22:59] <holstein> mkultra: 10.04 is running gnome2, still supported, and supports google-chome
[23:01] <mkultra> xubuntu 12.04 sounds a bit tastier for a live flash rescue disk / chroot for an extended period of time
[23:01] <holstein> mkultra: thats XFCE.. not gnome2
[23:01] <holstein> mkultra: i prefer xubuntu 12.04.. but if i had stated "i want gnome2" i would not use XFCE
[23:01] <knome> holstein, well 10.04 is barely supported...
[23:02] <mkultra> g2 or xfce
[23:02] <mkultra> they are about the same, xfce is a bit lighter though
[23:02] <mkultra> i dont intend on installing it is the big thing....
[23:03] <mkultra> its my "lawn chair" repair kit for gentoo when i freak that out to the max, have to zero a huge drive, stay entertained for a whole day to recompile the entire os
[23:36] <blahsphemer> I just got a desktop pc and tried instal xubuntu on it. There is a terrible mouse lag
[23:36] <blahsphemer> Can someone please help me with htis