[04:56] <ScottK> Riddelll: Looks like we forgot to update bluedevil to the current release.
[07:17] <soee> good morning
[07:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:41] <jussi> anyone remember the Qt/html in a web browser thing ?
[10:22] <agateau> jussi: emscripten-qt?
[11:36] <Riddelll> jussi: Wt?
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:54] <Darkwing> Morning
[12:54] <Riddelll> hi Darkwing 
[12:54] <Darkwing> Riddelll: you have 3 'l' :D 
[12:55] <Riddelll> gosh how special of me
[12:55] <Darkwing> Riddelll: Also, does it look like we are going to be heading toward a "rolling release"?
[12:55] <ScottK> Darkwing: No.
[12:55] <Riddell> Darkwing: nope
[12:55] <Darkwing> Really... Nothing changing then? :D
[12:56] <Riddell> shorter support period and more encouragement for people to use development version
[12:56] <Darkwing> ahhhh...
[12:56]  * Darkwing poders the docs
[12:58]  * ScottK hands Darkwing an "n".
[12:59] <Darkwing> s/poders/ponders/
[12:59] <kubotu> Darkwing meant: "ponders the docs"
[12:59] <Darkwing> I want to switch to an online docs system, then pull them, fix the XML and upload. This way we can get more people in without forcing them to write Docbook...
[13:00] <Riddell> and we can get them online for free \o/
[13:00] <Darkwing> Yup
[13:00] <Darkwing> I just need to find the right software to use... Plus, something with a translation api built in.
[13:01] <Darkwing> or, just straight translations.
[13:01] <Riddell> mm, tricksy
[13:01] <Darkwing> I would also love a "Did this article help" button at the bottom.
[13:12] <Riddell> Darkwing: seen ubuntu-manual?
[13:13] <Riddell> that's quite accessible compared to the official docs
[13:27] <Darkwing> Aye... hmmz.
[13:28] <Riddell> there was a technical docs writer at the hack event I was at this weekend who commented on it as a good manual
[13:29] <Riddell> she also says she'd be happy to do some for kubuntu if she was told what 1 hour job to do
[13:29] <Riddell> which is a bit limited usefulness alas
[13:29] <Darkwing> You have an email addy?
[13:29] <Darkwing> Not really... If she can write in ODT or any text format, I'll drop it into XML/Docbook for her
[13:37] <Riddell> Darkwing: http://www.techaddiction.co.uk/contact/
[13:37] <Riddell> i think it'll need a specific appropach "update this article" etc rather than anything vauge
[13:38] <Riddell> and we'll need to convince her to install kubuntu but she's in the market for upgrading from 10.04 :)
[13:39] <Darkwing> I run the LTS on my desktop but, VM is good for it because it gives me a non-custom install
[13:40] <Darkwing> Riddell: I'll orgonaize the todo list better.
[13:55] <Mamarok> I have no more notifications since my upgrade to 13.04 beta1
[13:55] <soee> :D
[13:55] <jussi> agateau: itwas emscripten, thanks
[13:56] <agateau> yw
[13:57] <Mamarok> gah, apparently the Notifications widget is not on the panel anymore by default
[13:57] <Riddell> umm
[13:58] <Riddell> /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js does still say notifier
[14:00] <soee> Riddell, todays updates make my system beta1 version ?
[14:00] <Mamarok> for some obscure reason it was not in my panel anymore, and I have started with a fresh ~/.kde/ when I upgraded
[14:00] <Riddell> soee: beta 1 and a week
[14:00] <Riddell> Mamarok: mm needs testing
[14:01] <Riddell> I mean I'll do testing to confirm
[14:01] <Riddell> we also need to ensure the print applet gets added on upgrade
[14:21] <soee> how can i clone git specific branch ?
[14:30] <ryanakca> Riddell: Seeing that I haven't made any proper changes to www.k.o in years and don't even know the current www-admin passwords, my name on http://www.kubuntu.org/contact-us should probably be replaced by whoever's currently taking care of things...
[14:35] <ScottK> ryanakca: Or you should start contributing again would be another option ...
[14:36] <Riddell> ryanakca: you're assuming someone is taking care of things :)
[14:37] <ryanakca> ScottK: Does the work breakdown still include 80% of time dedicated to nagging sysadmins?
[14:37] <ScottK> Only when we want to change stuff they need to change.
[14:37] <ScottK> Mostly we try to avoid that.
[15:30] <Riddell> ScottK: want to review bug 1159262 so I can review it for New?
[15:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Done.
[15:31] <ScottK> Riddell: What do you think about updating bluedevil?  We're a major release behind ATM.
[15:31]  * ScottK thinks we probably should, but can't test it.
[15:31] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah was going to look at that shortly, I see alex blogged about it too
[15:32] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:35] <Darkwing> I have a couple of BlueTooth dongles...
[15:35] <Darkwing> and a laptop with bluetooth built is.
[15:35] <Darkwing> s/is/in/
[15:35] <kubotu> Darkwing meant: "and a laptop with bluetooth built in."
[15:36] <Darkwing> Precise, Quantal and Raring
[16:59] <Riddell> ScottK: do you agree this new bluedevil doesn't need a FFe? http://www.afiestas.org/bluedevil-1-3-released/
[16:59] <Riddell> it's just bugfixes according to that post
[17:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Agreed.
[17:02] <xnox> so in gtk world libindicate got deprecated in favor of using messaging-menu-dev (~quantal FFe). I'm now looking at reverse dependenices and I'm now finding: libindicate -> plasma-widget-message-indicator -> kopete-message-indicator.
[17:03] <Riddell> afiestas_: why the new version number for bluedevil 1.3?
[17:03] <xnox> Now I am confused, is this meant to integrate kopete with indicator in a gnome DE -> in that case it needs porting to messaging-menu.
[17:03] <afiestas_> Riddell: what do you mean?
[17:03] <Riddell> agateau: ^^
[17:03] <Riddell> afiestas_: why 1.3 rather than 1.2.2?
[17:03] <xnox> and is plasma-widget-message-indicator -> dissplay libindicate in a KDE DE? -> in that case it should be ported to display messaging-menu 
[17:03] <Riddell> afiestas_: it looks like bug fixes only
[17:04]  * xnox ponders what should I be porting to what =)
[17:04] <afiestas_> Riddell: because there is a huge patch that I did not wanted in 1.2
[17:04] <xnox> unless this is all kde specific and nothing to do with gtk side of things.
[17:04] <afiestas_> removing the thread from KDED and use async dbus api instead
[17:04] <agateau> xnox: plasma-widget-message-indicator is the kde equivalent of the message menu
[17:05] <agateau> xnox: it is based on libindicate-qt, which is a wrapper for libindicate
[17:05] <Riddell> kopete-message-indicator recommends plasma-widget-message-indicator but it can aso work with unity messaging applet
[17:05] <agateau> xnox: and kopete-message-indicator is a kopete plugins which makes it work with those message menus
[17:06] <xnox> cool, thanks.
[17:06] <xnox> Now libindicate is depreated in favor or "src:indicator-messages" & libmessaging-menu-dev, which doesn't seem to have a -qt variant =( *sigh*
[17:07]  * xnox wishes gir could generate C++/Qt style bindings.
[17:07] <Riddell> the seems like quite an oversight from the people who did that deprecation
[17:08] <xnox> Riddell: it really means that all the apps that got ported to messaging-menu work in Gnome/Unity, but don't work in KDE. And only "legacy" unported work in KDE, but not GNOME/Unity.
[17:08]  * xnox is dizzy and day-dreaming about XOR function
[17:09] <Riddell> time to remove the whole messaging menu from KDE then?  what a shame
[17:56] <ScottK> xnox: It means Canonical is consistent in how good a job they do of coordination can working with others.
[17:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Unfortunately, I think that's true.
[17:56] <murthy> hello everyone
[18:10] <murthy> Riddell: did smartboyhw change his nick?
[18:14] <Riddell> murthy: no don't think so
[18:14] <Riddell> he's just not online much at the minute
[18:14] <Riddell> he did say something about nookita at the weekend
[18:14] <Riddell> not sure the current status of that
[18:16] <ScottK> He was asking for reviews.
[18:17] <murthy> Riddell: are we allowed to use the latest standards for new packages and can we update the standards of the present packages to the latest?
[18:18] <murthy> Riddell: last time i was told not to do that, but i saw in a changelog that smartboyhw has updated the standards to the latest
[18:19] <Riddell> murthy: of course you're allowed to and encouraged to update them but not if it makes a diff compared to debian
[18:19] <Riddell> you should read over the current debian standard to ensure it complies with it
[18:20] <murthy> Riddell: that implies we can use the latest standards for new packaging?
[18:20] <Riddell> murthy: of course
[19:06] <xnox> murthy: i started to always do it, just to get matching/latest lintian nitpicks.
[19:13] <murthy> xnox: ok
[19:34] <sudeep> Hi. I am an undergraduate student. I have worked with Qt and C++ to create small applicationsn like games, music players, hotel automation softwares etc. Can somebody recommend me a open source project in KDE for me to begin? Ideally the priject should be small scaled so that there is a lot of scope of contribution.
[19:52] <murthy> sudeep: did you take a look at the kde gsoc 2013?
[19:53] <murthy> sudeep: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2013/Ideas
[19:55] <murthy> sudeep: kmix is in need for devs
[19:56] <sudeep> murthy: Actually I am new to open source and want to proceed slowly i.e. by starting of by fixing bugs etc. 
[19:56] <murthy> sudeep: ya, kmix is one such
[19:57] <sudeep> any more? Like I had a look at arora browser. It was really nice but was dead.
[19:59] <murthy> sudeep: do you want to work for kde or do you want to work for kubuntu particularly?
[20:01] <sudeep> murthy: Anyone. I have mostly being doing GUI programming. Now I am looking for something application like a web browser or music player or desktop manipulator wherein I can add features.
[20:03] <murthy> sudeep: do you know python?
[20:04] <sudeep> murthy: yup!
[20:05] <murthy> sudeep: in that case what about the kubuntu installer ubiquity? 
[20:07] <sudeep> murthy: Ok. I am sorry but I would like to work in C++. I will have a look at ubiquity anyway. Anymore suggestion in c++?
[20:10] <murthy> sudeep: have you seen this http://community.kde.org/KDE/Junior_Jobs   ?
[20:11] <murthy> sudeep: ignore kopete in that list
[20:13] <murthy> sudeep: plasma media center is also one
[20:14] <murthy> sudeep: if you know qml you could port some of the plasma widgets
[20:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I may have been blaming you unfairly.  This exam thing must be cultural.  vibhav was just blaming exams for lack of contribution.
[20:25] <ScottK> :-)
[20:32] <murthy> ScottK: same condition here
[20:37] <ScottK> murthy: shadeslayer was the master of the things he could do, but not for exams.
[20:37] <ScottK> Now it's usually something about sleep.
[20:39] <murthy> ScottK: ya, but he is not Mr. unstoppable :D
[20:43] <Quintasan> yofel: ping
[20:44] <yofel> Quintasan: pong, more or less
[20:44] <Quintasan> yofel: Do you have problems when trying to unlock from suspend?
[20:44] <murthy> yofel: hi
[20:45] <murthy> Quintasan: you are not able to unlock?
[20:45] <yofel> nope, works for me always. It's more a questiong whether it *locks*
[20:46] <Quintasan> murthy: More precisely -> I open the lid -> get the password promt for unlock -> I can input the password but pressing unlock does nothing
[20:46] <Quintasan> I finally killed it with dbus
[20:47] <murthy> Quintasan: let me check
[20:47] <murthy> Quintasan: works here
[20:48] <Quintasan> It doesn't tirgger every time here
[20:48] <murthy> Quintasan: trigger what?
[20:49] <Quintasan> the bug...
[20:50] <murthy> Quintasan: anything in the logs?
[20:50] <Quintasan> Can't say anything for sure, .xsession-errors yields nothing
[20:51] <murthy> Quintasan: kde version?
[20:51] <Quintasan> 4.10.1
[20:52] <murthy> same here
[20:53] <murthy> do you have some component from masters installed? i guess that may be a cause
[20:53] <Quintasan> That's a wild (and incorrect guess)
[20:53] <Quintasan> I thought you have an idea but I guess you're as clueless as me about that
[20:54] <murthy> I haven't come across the bug yet
[21:16] <yofel> Quintasan: ping
[21:16] <Quintasan> one more time in 3 seconds :P
[21:16] <yofel> !ping | Quintasan
[21:17] <Quintasan> hurrrrrrrrrrrr
[21:17] <jussi> Quintasan: its all your fault...
[21:17] <Quintasan> yofel: I have no fucking idea why but sometimes my plasma notification get misplaced
[21:17] <Quintasan> Like, they go to the middle of the screen instead of right above the task bar
[21:17] <Quintasan> !ping
[21:17] <yofel> if you mean top-middle with different style then knotify is not running
[21:17] <Quintasan> hurr
[21:18] <Quintasan> yofel: no, the style is oxygen
[21:18] <yofel> Quintasan: weird
[21:18] <jussi> Quintasan: evil
[21:18] <Quintasan> !ping | Quintasan
[21:18] <Quintasan> yeah
[21:18] <jussi> Quintasan: I had that on an older release
[21:18] <jussi> Quintasan: because I can...
[21:18] <Quintasan> I just removed the damn notification from systray and readded it and now it works
[21:19] <jussi> Quintasan: Im going to bed, good night
[21:19] <jussi> :D
[21:19] <Quintasan> jussi: Well you've been so long here
[21:19] <Quintasan> :P
[21:19] <jussi> lol
[21:19] <Quintasan> jussi: Good night then
[21:19] <jussi> nini
[22:54] <Quintasan> well
[22:54] <Quintasan> I'm off to bed too
[23:00] <yofel> nini Quintasan