=== TheDrums_ is now known as TheDrums === Pici` is now known as Guest9250 === Quintasan is now known as 18WAC4VUS === clay_doh is now known as claydoh === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [04:56] Riddelll: Looks like we forgot to update bluedevil to the current release. === maco_ is now known as maco === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro [07:17] good morning [07:29] Good morning === popey_ is now known as popey [08:41] anyone remember the Qt/html in a web browser thing ? === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube === agateau_ is now known as agateau [10:22] jussi: emscripten-qt? [11:36] jussi: Wt? [11:44] Howdy folks === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === Pici`_ is now known as Pici [12:54] Morning [12:54] hi Darkwing [12:54] Riddelll: you have 3 'l' :D [12:55] gosh how special of me === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [12:55] Riddelll: Also, does it look like we are going to be heading toward a "rolling release"? [12:55] Darkwing: No. [12:55] Darkwing: nope [12:55] Really... Nothing changing then? :D [12:56] shorter support period and more encouragement for people to use development version [12:56] ahhhh... [12:56] * Darkwing poders the docs [12:58] * ScottK hands Darkwing an "n". [12:59] s/poders/ponders/ [12:59] Darkwing meant: "ponders the docs" [12:59] I want to switch to an online docs system, then pull them, fix the XML and upload. This way we can get more people in without forcing them to write Docbook... [13:00] and we can get them online for free \o/ [13:00] Yup [13:00] I just need to find the right software to use... Plus, something with a translation api built in. [13:01] or, just straight translations. [13:01] mm, tricksy [13:01] I would also love a "Did this article help" button at the bottom. === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [13:12] Darkwing: seen ubuntu-manual? [13:13] that's quite accessible compared to the official docs [13:27] Aye... hmmz. [13:28] there was a technical docs writer at the hack event I was at this weekend who commented on it as a good manual [13:29] she also says she'd be happy to do some for kubuntu if she was told what 1 hour job to do [13:29] which is a bit limited usefulness alas [13:29] You have an email addy? [13:29] Not really... If she can write in ODT or any text format, I'll drop it into XML/Docbook for her [13:37] Darkwing: http://www.techaddiction.co.uk/contact/ [13:37] i think it'll need a specific appropach "update this article" etc rather than anything vauge [13:38] and we'll need to convince her to install kubuntu but she's in the market for upgrading from 10.04 :) [13:39] I run the LTS on my desktop but, VM is good for it because it gives me a non-custom install [13:40] Riddell: I'll orgonaize the todo list better. [13:55] I have no more notifications since my upgrade to 13.04 beta1 [13:55] :D [13:55] agateau: itwas emscripten, thanks [13:56] yw [13:57] gah, apparently the Notifications widget is not on the panel anymore by default [13:57] umm [13:58] /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js does still say notifier [14:00] Riddell, todays updates make my system beta1 version ? [14:00] for some obscure reason it was not in my panel anymore, and I have started with a fresh ~/.kde/ when I upgraded [14:00] soee: beta 1 and a week [14:00] Mamarok: mm needs testing [14:01] I mean I'll do testing to confirm [14:01] we also need to ensure the print applet gets added on upgrade [14:21] how can i clone git specific branch ? [14:30] Riddell: Seeing that I haven't made any proper changes to www.k.o in years and don't even know the current www-admin passwords, my name on http://www.kubuntu.org/contact-us should probably be replaced by whoever's currently taking care of things... === Squt is now known as Sput [14:35] ryanakca: Or you should start contributing again would be another option ... [14:36] ryanakca: you're assuming someone is taking care of things :) [14:37] ScottK: Does the work breakdown still include 80% of time dedicated to nagging sysadmins? [14:37] Only when we want to change stuff they need to change. [14:37] Mostly we try to avoid that. [15:30] ScottK: want to review bug 1159262 so I can review it for New? [15:30] bug 1159262 in Ubuntu "FFe: plasma-mediacenter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1159262 [15:30] Riddell: Done. [15:31] Riddell: What do you think about updating bluedevil? We're a major release behind ATM. [15:31] * ScottK thinks we probably should, but can't test it. [15:31] ScottK: yeah was going to look at that shortly, I see alex blogged about it too [15:32] Thanks. === debfx_ is now known as debfx [15:35] I have a couple of BlueTooth dongles... [15:35] and a laptop with bluetooth built is. [15:35] s/is/in/ [15:35] Darkwing meant: "and a laptop with bluetooth built in." [15:36] Precise, Quantal and Raring [16:59] ScottK: do you agree this new bluedevil doesn't need a FFe? http://www.afiestas.org/bluedevil-1-3-released/ [16:59] it's just bugfixes according to that post [17:01] Riddell: Agreed. [17:02] so in gtk world libindicate got deprecated in favor of using messaging-menu-dev (~quantal FFe). I'm now looking at reverse dependenices and I'm now finding: libindicate -> plasma-widget-message-indicator -> kopete-message-indicator. [17:03] afiestas_: why the new version number for bluedevil 1.3? [17:03] Now I am confused, is this meant to integrate kopete with indicator in a gnome DE -> in that case it needs porting to messaging-menu. [17:03] Riddell: what do you mean? [17:03] agateau: ^^ [17:03] afiestas_: why 1.3 rather than 1.2.2? [17:03] and is plasma-widget-message-indicator -> dissplay libindicate in a KDE DE? -> in that case it should be ported to display messaging-menu [17:03] afiestas_: it looks like bug fixes only [17:04] * xnox ponders what should I be porting to what =) [17:04] Riddell: because there is a huge patch that I did not wanted in 1.2 [17:04] unless this is all kde specific and nothing to do with gtk side of things. [17:04] removing the thread from KDED and use async dbus api instead [17:04] xnox: plasma-widget-message-indicator is the kde equivalent of the message menu [17:05] xnox: it is based on libindicate-qt, which is a wrapper for libindicate [17:05] kopete-message-indicator recommends plasma-widget-message-indicator but it can aso work with unity messaging applet [17:05] xnox: and kopete-message-indicator is a kopete plugins which makes it work with those message menus [17:06] cool, thanks. [17:06] Now libindicate is depreated in favor or "src:indicator-messages" & libmessaging-menu-dev, which doesn't seem to have a -qt variant =( *sigh* [17:07] * xnox wishes gir could generate C++/Qt style bindings. [17:07] the seems like quite an oversight from the people who did that deprecation [17:08] Riddell: it really means that all the apps that got ported to messaging-menu work in Gnome/Unity, but don't work in KDE. And only "legacy" unported work in KDE, but not GNOME/Unity. [17:08] * xnox is dizzy and day-dreaming about XOR function [17:09] time to remove the whole messaging menu from KDE then? what a shame [17:56] xnox: It means Canonical is consistent in how good a job they do of coordination can working with others. [17:56] Riddell: Unfortunately, I think that's true. [17:56] hello everyone [18:10] Riddell: did smartboyhw change his nick? [18:14] murthy: no don't think so [18:14] he's just not online much at the minute [18:14] he did say something about nookita at the weekend [18:14] not sure the current status of that [18:16] He was asking for reviews. [18:17] Riddell: are we allowed to use the latest standards for new packages and can we update the standards of the present packages to the latest? [18:18] Riddell: last time i was told not to do that, but i saw in a changelog that smartboyhw has updated the standards to the latest [18:19] murthy: of course you're allowed to and encouraged to update them but not if it makes a diff compared to debian [18:19] you should read over the current debian standard to ensure it complies with it [18:20] Riddell: that implies we can use the latest standards for new packaging? [18:20] murthy: of course === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [19:06] murthy: i started to always do it, just to get matching/latest lintian nitpicks. [19:13] xnox: ok [19:34] Hi. I am an undergraduate student. I have worked with Qt and C++ to create small applicationsn like games, music players, hotel automation softwares etc. Can somebody recommend me a open source project in KDE for me to begin? Ideally the priject should be small scaled so that there is a lot of scope of contribution. === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [19:52] sudeep: did you take a look at the kde gsoc 2013? [19:53] sudeep: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2013/Ideas [19:55] sudeep: kmix is in need for devs [19:56] murthy: Actually I am new to open source and want to proceed slowly i.e. by starting of by fixing bugs etc. [19:56] sudeep: ya, kmix is one such [19:57] any more? Like I had a look at arora browser. It was really nice but was dead. [19:59] sudeep: do you want to work for kde or do you want to work for kubuntu particularly? [20:01] murthy: Anyone. I have mostly being doing GUI programming. Now I am looking for something application like a web browser or music player or desktop manipulator wherein I can add features. [20:03] sudeep: do you know python? [20:04] murthy: yup! [20:05] sudeep: in that case what about the kubuntu installer ubiquity? [20:07] murthy: Ok. I am sorry but I would like to work in C++. I will have a look at ubiquity anyway. Anymore suggestion in c++? [20:10] sudeep: have you seen this http://community.kde.org/KDE/Junior_Jobs ? [20:11] sudeep: ignore kopete in that list [20:13] sudeep: plasma media center is also one [20:14] sudeep: if you know qml you could port some of the plasma widgets [20:24] shadeslayer: I may have been blaming you unfairly. This exam thing must be cultural. vibhav was just blaming exams for lack of contribution. [20:25] :-) [20:32] ScottK: same condition here [20:37] murthy: shadeslayer was the master of the things he could do, but not for exams. [20:37] Now it's usually something about sleep. [20:39] ScottK: ya, but he is not Mr. unstoppable :D [20:43] yofel: ping [20:44] Quintasan: pong, more or less [20:44] yofel: Do you have problems when trying to unlock from suspend? [20:44] yofel: hi [20:45] Quintasan: you are not able to unlock? [20:45] nope, works for me always. It's more a questiong whether it *locks* [20:46] murthy: More precisely -> I open the lid -> get the password promt for unlock -> I can input the password but pressing unlock does nothing [20:46] I finally killed it with dbus [20:47] Quintasan: let me check [20:47] Quintasan: works here [20:48] It doesn't tirgger every time here [20:48] Quintasan: trigger what? [20:49] the bug... [20:50] Quintasan: anything in the logs? [20:50] Can't say anything for sure, .xsession-errors yields nothing [20:51] Quintasan: kde version? [20:51] 4.10.1 [20:52] same here [20:53] do you have some component from masters installed? i guess that may be a cause [20:53] That's a wild (and incorrect guess) [20:53] I thought you have an idea but I guess you're as clueless as me about that [20:54] I haven't come across the bug yet === murthy is now known as murthy_ [21:16] Quintasan: ping [21:16] one more time in 3 seconds :P [21:16] !ping | Quintasan [21:16] Quintasan: pong! [21:17] hurrrrrrrrrrrr [21:17] Quintasan: its all your fault... [21:17] yofel: I have no fucking idea why but sometimes my plasma notification get misplaced [21:17] Like, they go to the middle of the screen instead of right above the task bar [21:17] !ping [21:17] pong! [21:17] if you mean top-middle with different style then knotify is not running [21:17] hurr [21:18] yofel: no, the style is oxygen [21:18] Quintasan: weird [21:18] Quintasan: evil [21:18] !ping | Quintasan [21:18] Quintasan, please see my private message [21:18] yeah [21:18] Quintasan: I had that on an older release [21:18] Quintasan: because I can... [21:18] I just removed the damn notification from systray and readded it and now it works [21:19] Quintasan: Im going to bed, good night [21:19] :D [21:19] jussi: Well you've been so long here [21:19] :P [21:19] lol [21:19] jussi: Good night then [21:19] nini === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [22:54] well [22:54] I'm off to bed too [23:00] nini Quintasan