[08:24] <diplo_> Morning all
[08:24]  * diplo_ wants to go back to Spain! Brrrr it's to cold here!
[09:21] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, and happy Waffle Day, everyone! :-D
[09:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:37] <DJones> Morning all
[10:13] <redtape-renegade> morning all-users.
[10:14] <mungbean> morning *
[10:17] <Neoti_Desktop> hello there.
[10:17] <Neoti_Desktop> snowed in!... lol.... should start to melt soon... sun is out ... well kinda out ... lolz
[10:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:31] <SuperMatt> anyone seeing this a lot today?
[10:31] <SuperMatt> r:/home/matthew/Documents/SVN# du -sh *
[10:31] <SuperMatt> 27G	2013.03.19.13.59.53
[10:31] <SuperMatt> 66M	2013.03.19.14.12.04
[10:31] <SuperMatt> 30M	2013.03.19.14.27.31
[10:31] <SuperMatt> 30M	2013.03.19.14.30.29
[10:31] <SuperMatt> 30M	2013.03.19.15.34.24
[10:31] <SuperMatt> 29M	2013.03.19.15.37.01
[10:31] <SuperMatt> 58M	2013.03.20.02.00.01
[10:32] <SuperMatt> 74M	2013.03.21.02.00.01
[10:32] <SuperMatt> 66M	2013.03.22.02.00.02
[10:32] <Azelphur> woa hey, pastebin dude
[10:32] <SuperMatt> damn, not that
[10:32] <SuperMatt> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/webbrowser.py", line 489, in register_X_browsers register(browser, None, Chrome(browser))
[10:32] <SuperMatt> NameError: global name 'Chrome' is not defined
[10:32] <SuperMatt> this
[10:32] <Azelphur> haha
[10:32] <Azelphur> seeing that a lot where?
[10:32] <SuperMatt> well, I can't run nagstamon or playonlinux in raring right now
[10:34] <SuperMatt> looks like bug 1159636
[10:34] <Azelphur> they broked it.
[10:35] <SuperMatt> yup
[10:37] <SuperMatt> yeah, it all seems to add up
[10:37] <SuperMatt> *sigh*
[10:37] <SuperMatt> I was hoping *I* could raise that bug :(
[10:43] <popey> SuperMatt: yes
[10:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:59] <kaushal> Hi
[10:59] <kaushal> I have been facing this issue -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5645990/ for quite sometime. Any suggestions?
[11:01] <popey> kaushal: what happens if you "sudo dpkg --configure -a"?
[11:01]  * popey goes to get coffee
[11:01] <kaushal> popey: ok
[11:02] <davmor2> kaushal: after that do a apt-cache policy libuno*
[11:03] <kaushal> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5646006/
[11:04] <SuperMatt> apt-get -f install?
[11:05] <popey> I'd be inclined to:-
[11:05] <popey> sudo apt-get install --reinstall libreoffice3.6-dict-en libreoffice3.6-dict-es libreoffice3.6-dict-fr
[11:05] <kaushal> davmor2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5646009/
[11:06] <kaushal> popey: ok
[11:07] <popey> Good morning Guest13162 !
[11:07] <kaushal> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5646012/
[11:08] <kaushal> SuperMatt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5646018/
[11:08] <popey> aha!
[11:08] <popey> Reinstallation of libreoffice3.6-dict-es is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[11:08] <popey> kaushal: apt-cache policy libreoffice3.6-dict-es
[11:09] <popey> you got that from a PPA or something?
[11:09] <kaushal> popey: not sure
[11:09] <kaushal> let me check my sources.list
[11:09] <popey> run that command ^^
[11:09] <popey> 11:08:55 < popey> kaushal: apt-cache policy libreoffice3.6-dict-es
[11:09] <kaushal> popey: ok
[11:10] <kaushal> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5646023/
[11:10] <popey> right, so you either manually installed the debs, or you installed from a ppa which you subsequently disabled
[11:11] <kaushal> ok
[11:11] <popey> possibly https://launchpad.net/~upubuntu-com/+archive/libreoffice
[11:11] <popey> a few things..
[11:11] <kaushal> popey: so is there a way to remove this error?
[11:11] <popey> 1) note that you're on oneiric which goes out of support in 1 month, I would consider upgrading
[11:12] <popey> 2) I would recommend reinstalling libreoffice from base to get it back to normal
[11:12] <popey> can you do this:-
[11:12] <popey> dpkg -l libre* | grep ^ii and pastebin the output
[11:12] <kaushal> popey: i have downloaded debs from http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=deb-x86&lang=en-US&version=4.0.1
[11:12] <popey> when?
[11:12] <popey> recently?
[11:13] <kaushal> popey: yes
[11:13] <kaushal> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5646028/
[11:13] <popey> because that's 4.0.1, and your broken debs are 3.6
[11:13] <ikonia> directhex: are you still keyboard shopping ?
[11:13] <popey> ooh, what a mishmash
[11:13] <directhex> ikonia, mmm, maybe. maybe not. why, did you have a suggestion?
[11:14] <kaushal> popey: is there a way to purge 3.6 completely?
[11:14] <ikonia> directhex: I went to an office on Friday that had these on each desk, I was quite impressied http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/k750-keyboard?crid=26
[11:14] <popey> kaushal: i would sudo apt-get autoremove --purge libreoffice3.5 libreoffice3.6
[11:14] <kaushal> popey: ok
[11:14] <ikonia> directhex: they where a UK version though, but I can't see a UK version in the shop
[11:14] <popey> solar power...
[11:14] <popey> like most geeks have sunlight in their lives...
[11:14] <ikonia> popey: (they are having a green push)
[11:14] <ikonia> marketing etc
[11:15] <popey> clearly
[11:15] <popey> green push should mean "re-use IBM Model M keyboards" IMO ☺
[11:15] <directhex> ikonia, personally i love everything about http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/illuminated-keyboard?crid=26 - shame it doesn't do at least 4 key rollover
[11:15] <ikonia> directhex: "key rollover" ?
[11:15] <popey> kaushal: you might need to manually remove all of those 3.5 and 3.6 packages
[11:16] <directhex> ikonia, simultaneous keypresses before it starts ignoring some of them
[11:16] <popey> chording?
[11:16] <davmor2> popey: not all of us work in north facing office and never see daylight.....l.just me then :(
[11:16] <ikonia> ahhh, so you can only press 4 keys at once, the 5th doesn't count
[11:16] <kaushal> popey: it worked
[11:16] <kaushal> popey: Thanks a lot
[11:16] <popey> kaushal: np
[11:16] <ikonia> directhex: there did you get the rollover count info ?
[11:17] <directhex> ikonia, the example that sticks in my mind from using a logitech is binding of isaac. you control movement with WASD, and shooting with arrow keys. it is not possible to move diagonally and shoot, in 2 directions (fine in the other 2) with a logitech non-gaming keyboard
[11:17] <popey> kaushal: do make plans to upgrade to 12.04 sometime soon
[11:17] <kaushal> popey: sure
[11:17] <kaushal> popey: how about 12.10 or 13.04?
[11:17] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[11:18] <ikonia> directhex: is the wireless keyboard version any better ? http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-illuminated-keyboard-k800?crid=26
[11:18] <ikonia> directhex: I don't see anything documenting the rollover count
[11:19] <directhex> ikonia, typically it's not documented, except on keyboards which advertise it as a feature
[11:19] <directhex> also frustrating: it is impossible to support more than a few keys at once over USB. ps2 was better in this regard.
[11:20] <ikonia> learn something new every day
[11:20] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_(key)
[11:21] <popey> bigcalm: pong!
[11:21] <popey> kaushal: I would go 12.04 or 13.04
[11:21] <popey> 12.10 is a bit of a stinker imo ☺
[11:21] <bigcalm> popey: a pong clone? That's an ambitious project
[11:22] <popey> hah
[11:22] <kaushal> popey: ok
[11:22] <SuperMatt> I never considered 12.10 a stinker, I always thought it had a little something over 12.04
[11:22] <kaushal> popey: stinker?
[11:22] <popey> not as good
[11:22] <kaushal> popey: do you mean it is buggy?
[11:22] <kaushal> popey: ok
[11:22] <popey> i personally prefer 12.04 or 13.04, other people have different opinions
[11:23] <kaushal> 13.04 is going to be released on Apr 25,2013?
[11:23] <davmor2> popey +1
[11:23] <popey> yes
[11:23] <bigcalm> 12.10 is working for me, but it took some help to get the graphics drivers working correctly
[11:23] <davmor2> 12.10 really wasn't our best
[11:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: then you will be blown away by 13.04
[11:24] <ikonia> blown away.......
[11:24] <Myrtti> Debian ♥
[11:24] <kaushal> anything specific about 13.04?
[11:25] <bigcalm> davmor2: morning. We'll see if I have the energy to migrate to 13.04 ;)
[11:25] <Myrtti> ♥ https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/RJXidkAsXWt ♥
[11:25] <kaushal> Any additional features in 13.04?
[11:26] <popey> Myrtti: nice
[11:27] <SuperMatt> I miss the squircle style dash button from quantal :(
[11:28]  * kvarley can't believe how good seamless mode on virtualbox is
[11:28] <livingdaylight> When is April so i can try this 13.04 ?
[11:29] <bigcalm> o.O
[11:29] <SuperMatt> april starts next monday
[11:29] <bigcalm> April is too soon!
[11:30] <SuperMatt> but it won't be until 25th (I believe)
[11:30] <SuperMatt> so essentially, we're 31 days away now
[11:30] <livingdaylight> current release is usable, or bestest wait?
[11:31] <SuperMatt> it's usable, but it really is up to you
[11:31] <livingdaylight> I mean current 1304 builds
[11:31] <bigcalm> I'm using it every day with no trouble. YMMV
[11:31] <SuperMatt> there was a patch this morning which broke things for me
[11:31] <bigcalm> I'm using it (12.04) every day with no trouble. YMMV
[11:33] <bigcalm> 12.04? What am I thinking? I'm using 12.10
[11:33] <bigcalm> I need more sleep
[11:33] <bigcalm> Longer weekends please
[11:33] <livingdaylight> anyone here use E17 or everyone on Unity?
[11:33]  * AlanBell is on unity this week
[11:34]  * livingdaylight wondering whether the resource savings on E17 are worth it, and whether Unity is a real resource hog or not
[11:34] <bigcalm> livingdaylight: I use Unity on my multi monitor workstation but use xubuntu-desktop (XFCE) on my laptop
[11:34] <BigRedS> E17? That's a blast from the past
[11:34] <bigcalm> E17 will always make me think of East 17
[11:34] <livingdaylight> yea, I'm asking in reference to this laptop, btw
[11:34] <BigRedS> I use Gnome-shell everywhere 'cause I've grown dependent upon Empathy's integration into it
[11:35] <livingdaylight> BigRedS: bodhilinux is way up the distrowatch charts - active development and pretty popular it would seem
[11:35] <AlanBell> I do like gnome-shell rather a lot
[11:36] <BigRedS> Yeah. I've nothing much against unity except that I keep missing IMs in it
[11:36] <BigRedS> Other than that I'd probably use it on my Ubuntu machines because it's way nicer than Ubuntu's Gnome shell
[11:37] <AlanBell> there is an even better gnome shell?
[11:38] <AlanBell> I am using the gnome3-team PPA on raring so I should have the newest stuff?
[11:38] <livingdaylight> I don't like having to go up into the corner to bring a window into focus each time with gnome-shell, otherwise I like it
[11:39] <livingdaylight> but, gnome-shell doesnt' like the graphics card on this laptop
[11:39] <bigcalm> AMD?
[11:39] <livingdaylight> sometimes there are rendering issues
[11:39] <livingdaylight> bigcalm: no, some onboard intel graphics
[11:39] <bigcalm> Ug, pass
[11:39] <AlanBell> I do like the window quicklists on unity now
[11:40] <AlanBell> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[11:40] <AlanBell> works great on that
[11:46] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: alt-tab?
[11:46] <BigRedS> AlanBell: It's less broken in Debian... The menu bar is where you'd expect it, online accounts work etc.
[12:00] <BigRedS> There *must* be a way to have ls list only the directories in a given directory without using awk or grep
[12:02] <SuperMatt> you could use find . -type dir
[12:02] <SuperMatt> although that'll recurse
[12:02] <directhex> ls -d ?
[12:02] <directhex> but yes, this is a job for find
[12:03] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: what are you trying to do?
[12:03] <SuperMatt> in the long run
[12:03] <directhex> find . -maxdepth 1 -type d
[12:04] <sarage> woop :)
[12:07] <brobostigon> oh dear, i just heard a car just down the road from me slip and slide and skid.
[12:10] <SuperMatt> eek!
[12:10] <sarage> **bangs head against desk**
[12:11] <sarage> use winter tyres. it aught to be the law (and to make everyone use skid pans to learn how to control skids as part of the test*
[12:11] <popey> or, you know, drive slower and less close to the car in front.
[12:12] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: ls -al /home/ | grep ^d | awk '{print $NF}
[12:13] <BigRedS> directhex: ah! yeah, that's far fewer characters. That'll do!
[12:13] <sarage> popey that too but i dont see them lowering from 70mph
[12:13] <sarage> in sweden it's 70km an hour not 112km
[12:14] <BigRedS> sarage: that would be a daft law. Nobody will change their tyres for two days of potential snow
[12:15] <sarage> no, i mean change to winter tyres from october till may
[12:16] <AlanBell> can I drive on slicks from june to september then?
[12:16] <popey> va-va-voom
[12:16] <sarage> yes
[12:16] <sarage> summer tyres
[12:17] <sarage> https://friendly.ubuntu.com/12.04/ASUSTeK%20Computer%20Inc./K53U/i:EZi:PqA:op:KHg:BEG:BFS:BFJp:KHj:BEG:BFS:BFJp:KHe:BEG:BFS:BFJp:KHi:BEG:BFS:BFJp:h:B5G:Cw9:BkTp:h:B5G:Gnj:BKzp:h:B5G:Goj:BKzp:h:B5G:BGR:BkTp:o:B5G:Gnn:BKz/devices/ bluetooth not working still
[12:17] <AlanBell> sliding about in a skid pan should be part of the test
[12:17] <sarage> asus k53u
[12:17] <sarage> AlanBell, it is - test takes a whole year
[12:17] <AlanBell> not as a pass/fail thing, but just to attend a skid pan
[12:18]  * redtape-renegade has the biggest lunch he's ever made, today :) (Tesco special :D )
[12:19] <sarage> redtape-renegade, horses
[12:19] <BigRedS> sarage: for the sake of four or five days of not-so-great weather?
[12:20] <sarage> BigRedS, get to work or not
[12:20]  * popey arrives at work via the stairs
[12:20] <popey> and the kitchen
[12:20] <popey> I might change my socks, but rarely need new tyres
[12:21] <redtape-renegade> sarage, Garlic roast potatoes and chicken and bacon Filo Pie .. with Leek !
[12:21] <sarage> popey http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/usb/0cf3:3005/ and yet... it wont work on asus k53u
[12:22] <ikonia> directhex: just ordered the iluminated wireless keyboard and the solar wireless keyboard, worth a punt
[12:22] <BigRedS> sarage: work from home, go by train/public transport. I've never *had* to travel by road in the snow
[12:22] <BigRedS> I do live in London, though...
[12:22] <sarage> redtape-renegade,  horses for courses or burgers...
[12:23] <ikonia> illuminated even
[12:23] <BigRedS> But, still, I'd hate the idea that I could be fined for having summer tyres when driving on a sunny day in December
[12:23] <redtape-renegade> .. only chicken sarage :)
[12:23] <popey> bummer sarage
[12:24] <redtape-renegade> glad i used tin foil .. or-it would've gone everywhere !!
[12:24]  * redtape-renegade still has tin foil for his radiation party hats :D
[12:25] <redtape-renegade> .... and laser torches
[12:25] <redtape-renegade> of course.
[12:29] <redtape-renegade> Waaaugh .. I'm full.
[12:30]  * redtape-renegade wonders if he should give leftovers to the *Silverlight developer* tied up in the bath ?
[12:31] <redtape-renegade> Whoopsie ;)
[12:32] <SuperMatt> do silver light developers deserve *anything*?
[12:32] <redtape-renegade> Question : Let's vote on it !!
[12:34] <redtape-renegade> MyVote: -1
[12:34] <SuperMatt> -2
[12:34] <redtape-renegade> SuperMatt, Are you pregnant ?
[12:35] <Myrtti> popey: YAY! MY SOCKS ARRIVED
[12:35] <SuperMatt> I was just adding your vote to mine
[12:35] <redtape-renegade> YAY ! My Heat sink arrived !
[12:36] <davmor2> hmm 38 minutes to do an apt-get update.  I may have to think about doing fresh install before I start manually adding ppas from LP :(
[12:36] <redtape-renegade> SuperMatt, That is a good policy , although I don't anyone government can even spell *accumulated frequency* :D
[12:37] <SuperMatt> now can silverlight devs
[12:37] <redtape-renegade> tOdAy: i Is a Mathematician !
[12:37] <popey> Myrtti: ooo!
[12:37] <popey> wonder when mine will
[12:38] <SuperMatt> s/now/neither
[12:38] <redtape-renegade> popey, I'm thinking size 12 (??)
[12:40] <popey> I dont think socks come in such specific sizes
[12:41] <redtape-renegade> Mine are 'mature hobbit' size :)
[12:42] <redtape-renegade> What happened to (Elijah Wood)  ??
[12:42] <redtape-renegade> OT| ^                 ^
[12:43] <Myrtti> oooh these are lovely ♥
[12:43] <redtape-renegade> Apparently he's a relative of Dan Wood the IOM LUG co-ordinator ..
[12:43] <Myrtti> my paranoia about dvt and varicose veins diminished immediately to a somewhat bearable level
[12:44] <redtape-renegade> Myrtti, Would you *fly* with them /
[12:44] <redtape-renegade> ?
[12:45] <Myrtti> I'm a bit short on humour on things that have to do with my health
[12:46] <redtape-renegade> Myrtti, It's a serious question | To stop dvt on long-haul flights some-times you wear special socks .. would you do that ?
[12:46] <Myrtti> I wear them all the time
[12:46] <redtape-renegade> I'll take that as a *Yes*.
[12:47] <Myrtti> I've got a 80-fold risk to normal people of getting DVT just because of genetics, so I'm a bit paranoid.
[12:48] <redtape-renegade> ok , I see , hang-in there !
[12:48] <popey> Myrtti: are the nice and long?
[12:48]  * redtape-renegade doesn't have the spare time to be *noid.
[12:48] <popey> cant wait for mine to arrive
[12:49] <Myrtti> popey: go below the knee nicely
[12:49] <popey> excellent
[12:49]  * redtape-renegade googles Manx Spanx .
[12:49] <Myrtti> and the elastic right on the mouth of the sock is nice and wide
[12:50] <redtape-renegade> Myrtti, Soo where can we get them / did you receive a voucher of some sort ?
[12:52] <Myrtti> redtape-renegade: http://www.nabeesocks.com/ both me and popey participated in their Kickstarter
[12:52] <redtape-renegade> Myrtti, What was the packaging like , too  ??
[12:52] <redtape-renegade> Myrtti, i recall you talking about it.
[12:53]  * redtape-renegade wonders if he can buy just the packaging. And wear that for socks ?? / When I were a lad .....
[12:54] <Myrtti> buy just the packaging? erh.
[12:55]  * redtape-renegade used to just wear shoe bioxes , when I was a Lad ... :D
[12:56] <popey> You're a very odd individual.
[12:56]  * redtape-renegade accepts we were poor.
[12:57] <redtape-renegade> & for central heating ..
[12:58] <redtape-renegade> We used to get *polo's* for the Salvation Army Citadel in the nearest town .. and put it in the cat's mouth and all sit around it while the room increased by 0.0001 degrees .. That was 'staying-in' with the central heating on :D
[12:59] <redtape-renegade> (the cat was in the middle of the room :) )
[13:00] <redtape-renegade> It's tough Up North !! Grrrrr.
[13:01] <popey> my spidey sense is tingling
[13:02] <popey> redtape-renegade, you remind me of phineas / herb / bolt who used to frequent this channel...
[13:03] <redtape-renegade> leaves.
[13:03] <dutchie> haha
[13:03] <dutchie> rumbled
[13:05] <directhex> ._.
[13:05] <popey> Is /part an admission of guilt?
[13:05] <directhex> well that was pointless
[13:07] <Myrtti> well today is full of excellence it seems :-)
[13:07] <popey> \o/ Socks!
[13:08] <popey> the patterns on these are hilarious
[13:08] <popey> I got two for me, two for wifey
[13:10] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsdACHm0uoM Skoda have a lot to answer for as this becomes the track stuck in my head
[13:11] <Myrtti> popey: four for me :-D
[13:11] <Myrtti> mine mine mine, one of each colour :-P
[13:14] <popey> hah
[13:14]  * popey is toasty now
[13:15] <sarage> number one in the phone que for handelsbanken for over 4 mins :(
[13:16] <sarage> vaför...
[13:16] <sarage> urghch...
[13:17] <Myrtti> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151380625890852&set=o.7960010129&type=1&theater
[13:17] <popey> love that /51
[13:17] <popey> bah!
[13:20] <redtape-renegade> thought I'd talk to popey a bit..
[13:20] <popey> hmm?
[13:23] <davmor2> popey: run save yourself
[13:24]  * bigcalm flops
[13:25]  * davmor2 flips bigcalm 's flops
[13:25] <bigcalm> I used to build flip flops to flash LEDs
[13:25] <Myrtti> ihhh https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GoogleUK/posts/UMLucC3PyNt
[13:25] <Myrtti> babby chicks!
[13:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: in china they used to build flips flops for grains of rice
[13:27] <bigcalm> o.O
[14:29] <kvarley> Offtopic but where can I get help with MS Access? I'm being forced to use it for a uni project
[14:31] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, oreilley ebooks ?
[14:32] <kvarley> I have very specific problems so I don't think they'll cover it
[14:32] <ali1234> what's the problem?
[14:33] <kvarley> I need to make a mockup of a mp3 store in Access for a project
[14:33] <kvarley> Need to change the contents of a listbox through a macro
[14:33] <kvarley> I can't change the Row Source property which is where you usually put SQL or a query
[14:33] <ali1234> use macro recorder, do what you want, then look at the source
[15:35] <bigcalm> Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice: http://codepen.io/stuffit/pen/KrAwx
[15:37] <ali1234> yes, very nice
[15:52] <kvarley-guest> Acer Aspire 5920 - Backlight brightness doesn't seem bright enough even though it is on max
[15:52] <kvarley-guest> brightness and max_brightness report 9
[15:52] <kvarley-guest> but bl_power reports 0
[16:32] <kvarley> popey: Did you your a 3Doodler yet?
[16:32] <kvarley> /s/a/null
[16:34] <Myrtti> I thought it isn't until November
[16:39] <kvarley> Ah ok
[16:39] <kvarley> I really want one
[16:39] <kvarley> To be a child again heh
[18:05] <dwatkins> neat, bigcalm
[18:05] <bigcalm> ?
[18:06] <bigcalm> Oh, the mesh?
[18:06] <dwatkins> yeah
[18:07] <dwatkins> nice bit of JS
[19:42] <daubers> Evening
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:45] <mungbean>  /o
[19:53]  * daubers mucks about with libGDX some more
[20:13] <mungbean> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geary-a-beautiful-modern-open-source-email-client
[20:14]  * popey spies at least 3 names in there I recognise
[20:41]  * MartijnVdS writes a monster blog post about configuring OpenWRT for FTTH + IPTV
[20:41] <brobostigon> got a wholw 7 questions on uni challange tonight, ohwell.
[20:42] <popey> brobostigon: i got none right!
[20:42] <popey> but then I didn't actually watch it.
[20:42] <brobostigon> popey: no? oh dear. :(
[20:42] <brobostigon> ah,
[21:04] <dogmatic69> migrated to thunderbird from evolution.
[21:04] <dogmatic69> Evolution is so buggy.
[21:04] <mungbean> also, http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1azkrr/we_are_yorba_makers_of_shotwell_and_a_new_open/
[21:05] <mungbean> are doing an AMA now
[21:05] <mungbean> thunderbird works for me
[21:08] <AlanBell> what does HT stand for in a kind of "this is who I got that information from" twittery kind of way
[21:10] <mungbean> AlanBell: Heard Through or Hat Tip
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> gmail works for me ;)
[21:15] <AlanBell> thanks mungbean
[21:15] <AlanBell> and thanks to David Cameron I know that LOL means "Lots of Love" ;)
[21:16] <brobostigon> lol
[21:17] <mungbean> politicians do more "loving" than laughing i hear
[21:17] <mungbean> so rather apt
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> dpkg!
[21:20] <brobostigon> wodehouse, bbc4, :)
[21:33] <popey> daubers: java.. interesting
[21:33] <daubers> popey: Android....
[21:34] <daubers> and it's one of those silly languages I feel I should know
[21:37] <daubers> and.....then i borked apache
[21:37] <daubers> thats better
[21:40] <daubers> popey: As an aside, I intend to do something in scratch as I'm helping the Reading Raspberry Jam peeps
[21:46] <popey> bug 1160048
[21:46] <popey> daubers: yay
[21:46] <popey> its such a shame that scratch 2 is flash
[21:46] <popey> s/a shame/utterly mental/
[21:49]  * popey pokes davmor2 
[21:50] <daubers> it is?
[21:50] <daubers> :(
[21:52] <czajkowski> what scratch
[21:55] <popey> czajkowski: its a graphical programming development thing
[21:56] <popey> aimed at kids
[21:56] <popey> its in the repo
[21:56] <czajkowski> yeah just reviewed one which was why I was wondering was it the same one
[21:56] <popey> its pretty neat, and is shipped on the raspberry pi images people tend to download, so got a second lease of life in the last year
[21:56] <popey> v1 was native and open source
[21:56] <popey> v2 is manky web based flash nonsense
[21:57] <mungbean> how insane
[21:57] <popey> really annoyed that MIT of all people made such a f*ckup
[21:57] <czajkowski> :/
[21:57] <popey> I'm sure they got a lot of flak about it
[21:57] <mungbean> sounds like a worse sequel than ghostbusters 2
[21:58] <popey> heh
[21:59] <mungbean> twitter direct message is "private" right?
[21:59] <mungbean> i don't use twitter much but i have a friend who uses it like email
[22:00] <popey> between you, twitter and the other person
[22:00] <mungbean> i'm friends with this person's partner on facebook because he doesn't have an account because its addictive, or something
[22:04] <popey> people are odd
[22:05] <popey> i have a friend who logs in under his g/f account
[22:06] <czajkowski> popey: aye sisters best mate does the same she logs on under my sisters ac as she doesnt want a fb ac but yet doesnt want to miss out on what's going on
[22:06] <popey> i recently went through my fb and purged a bunch of people
[22:06] <popey> one person pinged me on twitter and said he'd noticed I'd unfriended him
[22:07] <popey> I thought "wtf! how!?" he has some firefox addin which monitors these things for you
[22:07] <popey> i also un-liked everything except ubuntu
[22:08] <popey> i looked over wifeys shoulder and it showed "Alan likes foobar... here's a new thing from foobarcorp"
[22:08] <popey> which irritated me
[22:08] <popey> just because I like "thing" doesn't mean I endorse "all other things"
[22:28] <AlanBell> never quite understood why I should "like" a corporation
[22:40] <mungbean> especially something like kia motors
[22:40] <popey> many people blindly follow instructions
[22:40] <mungbean> baaa baaa
[22:41] <mungbean> especially my intelligent friemds who click share in the unsealed ipad giveaways
[22:41] <popey> there's an amusing parody account i used to like.. "Condescending Corporate Brand Page"
[22:41] <popey> where they parody and take the mick out of blatent social exercises corps do
[22:41] <mungbean> i 'like' airfix to see twitter style updates they do
[22:41] <popey> like all those "Hit like if you would..."
[22:42] <mungbean> arghh
[22:42] <mungbean> how many saures in this picture
[22:42] <mungbean> 1+(1x1)-1= ?
[22:42] <popey> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151536984380342&set=a.10150122888725342.318425.386341220341&type=1
[22:42] <Myrtti> a pink case for Nexus 7s in Google Play?
[22:42] <popey> like that
[22:42] <Myrtti> lolwhat
[22:42] <popey> where people think clicking "like" will in some way affect something
[22:43] <popey> when all it does is ensure your name appears next to that brand in other people's stream
[22:43] <mungbean> even intelligent people are stupid on the internet
[22:43] <mungbean> and they never check facts
[22:43] <popey> indeed
[22:43] <mungbean> no today is not back the the future day
[22:43] <popey> i usually post snopes links to people who repost stupid stuff
[22:43] <mungbean> i am that guy
[22:43] <popey> xkcd 386
[22:44] <mungbean> i can't help it, i must fight it since it gets reposted 5 x
[22:44] <popey> heh
[22:44] <popey> me too
[22:44] <popey> time for another cull while I think about it
[22:44] <mungbean> even after you post the link saying its false
[22:44] <mungbean> your friends are still commenting below saying "amazing"
[22:44] <mungbean> must share this
[22:44] <mungbean> NOOOOO
[22:45] <mungbean> oh great. 2 seconds after clean nappy, the clean nappy detector has sent a message to baby
[22:45] <mungbean> another one required
[22:46] <mungbean> i largely manage to avoid correcting unknown people on news sites/reddit/forums etc, but on facebook i can't help myself but be "that guy"
[22:46] <mungbean> who crrects everyones falsehood
[22:47] <shauno> I'm guilty of that too, but it feels less jerkish when it's family
[22:48] <popey> takes 3 clicks to unfriend each person
[22:48] <popey> 1 click to friend people
[23:10] <popey> \o/ unfriended basically everyone
[23:14] <Myrtti> so I see. Fortunately I can follow the Sky adventures from Google+
[23:23] <celesteh> Hello, I'm trying to sudo apt-get libglib2.0-dev and it says the source is untrusted. I'm not sure what to do.
[23:24] <celesteh> sorry, I mean they can't be authenticated....
[23:29] <brobostigon> concept, why would my nexus7 be able to comnect to my router and not my eeepc debian sid. ?