[00:06] <rick_h_> ls
[00:07] <rick_h_> oops
[01:07] <snap-l> OK, this is insane
[01:07] <snap-l> we literally had a mug stick to the counter
[01:08] <snap-l> I'm not talking like "oh, give it a nudge, and it comes loose"
[01:08] <snap-l> I mean literally "the one who draws the mug from the counter will become the ruler of England"
[01:08] <slestak_> i had that happen last week, one of my teens cups
[01:09] <slestak_> i could almost move the furniture by its new _handle_
[01:09] <snap-l> Heh
[01:09] <snap-l> Soaked it, and it came off finally
[01:09] <snap-l> But damn, it was stuck
[10:49] <snap-l> Apparently the Nest is on sale on Amazon's Gold Boc
[10:49] <snap-l> Box, even
[10:50] <snap-l> http://ur1.ca/d61bo
[10:50] <snap-l> 180
[10:51] <snap-l> Ah, it's a first generation
[11:34] <rick_h_> bwuahahaha http://r.bmark.us/u/5ff823c64e9eeb
[12:00] <snap-l> I've grown to tolerate the 80 column limitation. :)
[12:41] <derekv> firefox is broken as hell on my desktop right now
[12:41] <derekv> for one, it crashes with video half the time
[12:42] <derekv> but the main thing is that i put on a dark theme and it pulls the text color or the background color half the time for sites or especially text fields without the other
[12:42] <derekv> disappointing re the mozilla team
[12:43] <derekv> some fix involving some file user__.css somewhere i'm sure
[12:49] <snap-l> You sure it's not video card related?
[12:50] <snap-l> Any time I've had problems with applications, it can be traced to memory or video driver issues
[12:51] <snap-l> On an unrelated note, I've finally collected all of the Mahler Symphonies conducted by David Zinman. At least I will once Symphony No. 8 comes in the mail.
[12:51] <snap-l> You may now congratulate me.
[12:56] <snap-l> Please don't all type at once.
[12:57] <jrwren_> are they good?
[12:57] <jrwren_> congrats.
[12:57] <jrwren_> i like the 79col limit.
[12:58] <jrwren_> it means I can keep my vim windows the same size and fit a few across a displlay.
[13:09] <snap-l> jrwren_: They're pretty good readings of the material
[13:09] <snap-l> not too off-the-wall
[14:15] <snap-l> Are we having fun yet?
[14:16] <rick_h_> party party
[14:16] <rick_h_> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/how-kids-stole-show-young-coders.html most awesome thing ever
[14:17] <snap-l> lmorchard brought in his Raspberry Pi last week from Pycon
[14:17] <snap-l> Honestly, I think I need to convince JoDee that we need a few of these. :)
[14:23] <jrwren_> did someone resurect jcastro's old site? http://funroll-loops.info/
[14:26] <jcastro_> it's been up for a while
[14:26] <jcastro_> some gentoo people took it over
[14:37] <snap-l> That was jcastro_ 's site?
[14:37] <snap-l> I feel I just learned my next door neighbor was the Lone Ranger.
[14:37] <rick_h_> if anyone has a few minutes to spare care to test out a quick bookie build fresh to help sanity check https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/issues/204
[14:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: I'm trying the build install on the git page
[14:45] <rick_h_> snap-l: thanks
[14:46] <snap-l> np
[14:48] <snap-l> Got the same alembic==0.3.4 missing foo
[14:48] <snap-l> lxc precise container
[14:52] <rick_h_> wtf
[14:52] <rick_h_> ok, thanks. I'll have to look into it.
[14:56] <snap-l> I think the pip command isn't working properly.
[14:56] <snap-l> It's not able to find the download-cache
[14:56] <snap-l> or it needs a hint. :)
[14:57] <rick_h_> yea, but it works here locally. So gruble...what version pip and does a bin/pip install -U pip help at all?
[14:58] <rick_h_> and lmao off the day http://r.bmark.us/u/2418cc308133a3
[15:00] <snap-l> pip 1.0
[15:04] <snap-l> No love otherwise
[15:05] <rick_h_> snap-l: so upgrading pip doesn't help?
[15:05] <snap-l> Didn't seem to
[15:06] <snap-l> I think it's a path issue
[15:06] <rick_h_> ok, what version did it upgrade to? bin/pip --version
[15:06] <snap-l> 1.3.1
[15:06] <snap-l> You have it going to file:///download-cache
[15:06] <rick_h_> yea
[15:32] <jrwren_> apt repo issues?
[15:32] <snap-l> ?
[15:44] <jrwren_> alembic==0.3.4
[15:44] <jrwren_> apt or pip?
[15:45] <snap-l> pip
[15:45] <rick_h_> yea, pip is having issues working in offline mode for people on older installs it seems
[15:45] <snap-l> It's a localized issue
[15:45] <jrwren_> ah.
[15:45] <rick_h_> I'll have to setup a venv and figure it out.
[15:46] <rick_h_> I moved bookie to use a download-cache git repo for deps vs hitting pypi which is slow and buggy...only now there's this issue so #$@# me
[15:46] <snap-l> It's a path issue
[15:47] <snap-l> changed CACHE to /home/ubuntu/Bookie/download-cache on my lxc container, and it's cooking with gas now
[15:47] <snap-l> also you're missing colorama in the download cache
[15:47] <rick_h_> hmmm...ok. I can do that. I have the $(WD) in the makefile so I can full path it out I guess
[15:48] <rick_h_> ah cool, yea been finding those that aren't hit in tests that I missed
[15:48] <snap-l> You should offload finding stupid errors to a bonafide idiot.
[15:48] <snap-l> <- bonafide idiot. :)
[15:49] <rick_h_> hah
[15:50] <snap-l> Also you could use lxc to handle defaults for Ubuntu 10.04 and 12.04
[15:50] <snap-l> so you could see which ones will fail
[15:51]  * snap-l is not sure if debian has images for lxc that are simple downloads or not
[15:51] <snap-l> Oh, derp... It installs debian squeeze by default
[15:51] <rick_h_> yea, it's not a problem. Just didn't go through it. Didn't realize the pip stuff I was using was so fragile.
[15:52] <rick_h_> I'll have to work out a way to make sure that on creating the venv it updates pip...but I don't want to hit the interwebs...oh well
[15:52] <rick_h_> catch 22 me
[15:52] <snap-l> Could also make it a make switch
[15:52] <rick_h_> yea
[15:53] <rick_h_> default to broken offline and add a flag to update it from the webs
[15:53] <snap-l> Well, it's not true offline because it still requires a download cache
[15:53] <snap-l> but yeah
[15:53] <rick_h_> right, but you can supply that in a build...say a juju charm :)
[15:54] <snap-l> I smell a work project in there.
[15:54] <rick_h_> no, just the more we use a nice download-cache at work the more I think it's good practice
[15:54] <snap-l> yeah, it is nice
[15:54] <rick_h_> but it does open up making things like tests, charms, virtualmachines images work nicer
[15:54] <snap-l> especially if you happen to have slow-mo-fo-hub-fu
[15:54] <rick_h_> right
[15:54] <rick_h_> and makes things like sprints a lot nicer as well
[15:55] <snap-l> Right. You can export it, and pass around on a USB key.
[15:56] <rick_h_> yep
[18:46] <greg-g> heh, this is what broke WP 30 minutes ago for 5 minutes (we're awesome at reverting): http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7054795/adding-a-script-to-the-page-dynamically-with-jquery-never-uses-the-cached-file
[18:48] <rick_h_> gah....comboloader ftw
[18:48] <brousch> WP? WordPress?
[18:52] <greg-g> Wikipedia
[19:34] <jrwren_> greg-g: nice.
[19:34] <jrwren_> comboloader?
[19:34] <jrwren_> ewe, a rail content pipeline work-a-like?  noty
[19:34] <jrwren_> CDN > comboloader
[19:48] <rick_h_> jrwren_: CDN in front of combo loader  win! :P
[19:48] <rick_h_> jrwren_: not rails content plugin, but a split service to provide JS requested
[19:50] <jrwren_> I like a global shared CDN for any script for which it makes sense.
[19:50] <jrwren_> for any other scripts: what you said.
[19:51] <jrwren_> for jquery and jqueryui adn all that shit that is used by many sites out there - google cdn or msft cdn
[19:51] <jrwren_> why download what you don't need to?
[19:51] <rick_h_> to avoid sending 1MB of JS over the pipe for a home page
[19:51] <jrwren_> exactly.
[19:52] <rick_h_> and avoid doing rebuilds of the jqueryUI because you suddenly decided to add a new UI component
[19:52] <jrwren_> rebuilds?
[19:52] <brousch> If a web page has less than 1 MB of javascript on it, it ain't worth viewing!
[19:52] <rick_h_> http://jqueryui.com/download/
[19:53] <jrwren_> oh, themes and stuff,r ight.
[19:53] <jrwren_> that is when you just change which package you are pulling from CDN :p
[19:54] <rick_h_> not themes, just support for datepicker, autocomplete, etc
[19:54] <jrwren_> some other website is bound to use teh same package you do.
[19:54] <rick_h_> but not every combo of every file is CDN'd
[19:54] <jrwren_> right.
[19:54] <jrwren_> use a CDNd combo
[19:54] <jrwren_> its faster :p
[19:54] <rick_h_> yep, CDN the urls requested and each url is unique per the JS modules required.
[19:55] <rick_h_> different pages in the app then use diff urls, but they're smaller/faster
[19:55] <jrwren_> but they are different urls. unacceptable.
[19:55] <jrwren_> pretend I'm on 8k dialup.
[19:55] <rick_h_> well that's the point :)
[19:56] <jrwren_> if i've already downloaded the file, I don't have to download it again.
[19:56] <jrwren_> this is just proof http needs a diff protocol :p
[19:56] <rick_h_> heh
[20:54] <snap-l> God Dammit, Google: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/03/the-google-shutdown-parade-continues-next-up-site-blocking-in-search/
[22:19] <derekv> oh nice
[22:19] <derekv> you mean the one feature that i wanted for years that they finally implemented
[22:34] <derekv> i feel sick
[22:44] <greg-g> go home
[23:02] <derekv> i am home
[23:09] <rick_h_> ugh, ipad mini prices suck after buying several nexus 7s
[23:41] <snap-l> rick_h_: That can only mean one thing
[23:41] <snap-l> You're looking at iPad Minis
[23:42] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, for a present for my i* using aunt's birthday
[23:42] <rick_h_> ugh, I didn't realize the $350 one was only 15GB
[23:42] <rick_h_> 16
[23:42] <rick_h_> going to $32 goes over 400
[23:42] <snap-l> Yeah, they're not cheap
[23:42] <rick_h_> bah, 32GB