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Kiloshi superfly and others05:20
superflymorning Kilos 05:20
Kilosthank you all for the votes 05:20
Kilosmorning jrgns henkj 06:37
henkjmorning Kilos 06:37
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Kiloshi Trix[a]r_za 06:39
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Trixar_zaHey Kilos06:44
Trixar_zaDammit, don't lag on me06:45
Trixar_zaI'm downloading something06:45
Trixar_zalol06:45
Trixar_zaThe wonders of ScummVM and the games it can run on Linux06:46
Trixar_zaThe Dig here I come06:46
jrgnsmorning Kilos, all06:46
Kiloshiya maiatoday 06:49
inetpro_good morning06:51
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Kilosmorning inetpro 06:52
superflymorning jrgns, Trixar_za, inetpro and maiatoday06:58
Trixar_zaMorning superfly06:59
inetproKilos: did she make it?07:05
Kilosyeah lotsa peeps voted while we were sleeping so she ended in third place inetpro 07:08
inetproyou think it was still in time?07:08
Kilosnow she at doc for blood test results07:08
Kiloswhat?07:09
Kilosshe sukkeling to swallow 07:09
Kilosyo Vince-0 07:09
Kilosi think it closed at our 4am inetpro 07:10
Vince-0Hi07:10
Trixar_zaThis game is so good07:16
Trixar_zaHey Squirm07:16
inetproMaaz: when is mar 24 23:00 est in pretoria07:16
Maazinetpro: 2013-03-24 23:00:00 EDT is 2013-03-25 05:00:00 SAST07:16
Trixar_zaGuess who wrote the dialog for this07:16
Trixar_zaIt's pretty Enderific :P07:17
Kilosyou understand that inetpro ?07:17
inetproKilos: what?07:17
Kilosthe time thing inetpro 07:18
inetprovery clear07:18
Kilosai!07:18
inetproEDT = Eastern Daylight Time07:19
Kilosoh is edt and est same thing07:19
inetprowell it's New York, I think07:19
Kilosthey west of us and gmt07:20
Kiloshow do they get to be east07:20
inetproKilos: who is they?07:20
Kilosstates07:20
Kilosnot the freestates either07:21
Kilosyankeeland07:21
inetproKilos: when you're in the states Soth Africa and the rest of the world do not exist07:22
Kiloslol07:22
Kilosthats why the crashkid is so quiet07:22
Symmetria*sigh*07:24
SymmetriaAfrican internet is a *MESS* right now07:24
Kilosyeah07:25
KilosSymmetria, you back here?07:25
Kiloschat to Fanie please07:25
Symmetriakinda, trying to balance traffic via whatever goddamn paths I can find and squeeze capacity outta every path possible07:25
Symmetriabut things are pretty flatlined :(07:25
SymmetriaKilos I can try and talk to him, dunno how much luck we're gonna have during this mess though07:26
Symmetriathe internet in africa is kinda in crisis mode at hte moment ;p I dont think very many people realize just how large this failure is07:26
Symmetriaits *NOT* just seacom07:27
Kilosjust feedback will set mind at rest07:27
Kilosand to know he hasnt decided not to host for us07:27
Symmetriaseacom = down07:27
Symmetriaeassy = down07:27
Symmetriaimewe = down07:27
Symmetriasmw3 = down07:27
Symmetriaeig = down07:27
Symmetriate-north = down07:27
Symmetriabasically, the perfect storm :(07:27
inetproSymmetria: not just seacom!? EISH!!07:27
inetprowho else?07:27
Kilosouch07:28
inetproahh07:28
inetprowow!07:28
Kiloswhats going on?07:28
Symmetriaso, seacom is down because of te-north/eig being down07:28
Symmetrianormally, they would restore on something else07:28
Symmetriaexcept, the restore path is probably smw407:29
Symmetriabut with imewe and smw3 being down, and going down first, those companies on those cables have restored on smw4, and there is no capacity07:29
superflySymmetria: and SA ISPs don't have much WACS capacity allocated to them?07:33
Kiloshi magespawn 07:35
Symmetriasuperfly some do, but what a lot of companies did was split their traffic 3 ways07:35
Symmetriaeassy, seacom and wacs 07:35
Symmetriacatering for a single cable outage 07:35
Symmetria*NO ONE* caters for 2 similtaneous breaks 07:35
Kiloshoe did they all break?07:36
Symmetriathere is another path out, but its not easy to bring up capacity on it, and thats going .za -> .ke on eassy or seacom, and then using teams -> .ua and then onward from there 07:36
Symmetriaexcept, .ua -> .uk is largely on smw4 and thats pretty full right now because of other restoration 07:36
Symmetriakilos, heh, eig and te-north broke basically at the diverge point where they divert (they come off the coast together, for about 19 kilometers, then split to different routes, it broke about 18.5 kilometers off the coast)07:37
Symmetriaimewe went down a few weeks ago, 140 kilometers south of mumbai, in a rather hard to repair location, ETR on that is the 22nd of April07:37
Symmetriasmw3 Im not sure of all the details on, but there is no ETR on that, its also been down for a bit07:37
Symmetriaand when imewe and smw3 went down, all the people on those restored to smw407:37
Symmetriathen eig/te-north went down and there was nothing left to restore on07:38
Vince-0meh, and I thought switching from MWeb- SEACOM to OpenWEB - SAT3/Seacom would help07:38
magespawnhowdy all07:40
magespawnlooks like it is stable enough for irc though07:40
Kilosyeah irc and mxit fine07:41
Vince-0and Diablo307:41
magespawni would love to know which traffic they are putting at the top of the list07:42
Kilosso who bust the cables? fishermen or the atlantians07:43
superflyhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/ssong/8185423437/07:43
Symmetriamagespawn heh, I dont think its really which traffic 07:43
SymmetriaI think its more a case of, restore waves as they get capacity, wave by wave07:44
Symmetriain whatever order they come back up07:44
magespawnso they would not restict youtube in favour of email for example?07:45
magespawnanybody know the download mirrior here is sa for kubuntu?07:48
magespawngoogle is not working too well07:48
Symmetriamagespawn well, it depends, Im pretty sure mweb has torrents on lockdown07:48
Symmetriafor my clients, a torrent lockdown is a move of absolute last resort, I dont wanna block or shape anything if I dont really have to07:49
KilosDebbie says thank alot to all that voted for tara07:49
Kilos 31st of March they decide on the first second and third winners.07:49
magespawnthat cool Kilos07:56
Kilosi hope they dont start the voting again07:59
Kilosand make their own decisions07:59
inetproSymmetria, superfly: I don't see smw3 and te-north on that diagram08:03
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Symmetriayou won't, the te-north and smw3 cables are in the med 08:05
Symmetriaand te-north = seacom in the med08:05
Symmetriawhere you see seacom going north of egypt 08:07
Symmetriathat diagram isn't totally geographically correct though08:07
magespawnbbl 08:07
Symmetriabecause seacom doesnt actually go through the suez canal08:07
Symmetriait switches to terrestrial08:07
Symmetriathen through egypt and leaves egypt via 2 potential points08:07
Symmetriaone in a place called abutolat (sp?) and one in alexandria08:08
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inetproSymmetria: do you know what caused the downtime?08:15
Symmetriainetpro, suspected anchor drag took out te-north and eig 08:15
Symmetriaimewe, Im not sure, its been down a while08:15
inetproeish! How can that sort of thing be prevented in future?08:16
Symmetriasmw3 was also anchor08:16
inetproand is there a way to determine what ship caused it?08:16
Kilosthey will have to supply co-ordinates and make ships not anchor within a certain distance08:17
inetpromust be some powerful propellers driving those ships08:17
Kiloslike prohibit anchoring withing ten miles or so08:19
inetproSymmetria: thanks for the heads up and the info about the cables, let's hope steve song will be able to update his diagrams08:20
zeref hi guys, so, need some help.08:24
zerefI've got a folder to which users upload to, located in say /srv/uploads. / is at 100% full but /var is on another partition. I've created a folder in /var/uploads so that users can upload there.08:26
zerefi'08:26
zerefi'm guessing i'll need to use symbolic links so that the uploads go to /var/uploads instead of /srv/uplods08:27
zerefso will the link be ln -s /srv/uplaods/ /var/uploads/08:28
inetprozeref: the other way around08:31
inetproand make sure about the spelling :-)08:31
inetproln -s /var/uploads/ /srv/uploads/08:31
zerefand then can i delete the directory /srv/uploads?08:32
inetprozeref: no08:32
inetprozeref: rename the folder first so it doesn't exist when you create the softlink08:33
inetprothen copy the data across to the new partition 08:33
inetproand when everything is there, remove it from the old08:33
zerefok, so i must rename /srv/uploads to say backup. then i will have /srv/backup then i create a softlink called uploads?08:34
zerefi've rsync'd the data to /var/uploads already08:35
inetprothat makes sense08:35
zerefok, lemme try on my virtual server before i try on the production.08:36
zerefthanks inetpro 08:36
inetprozeref: you're welcome08:37
zerefinetpro: 08:39
zerefnvm08:41
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magespawnhey Kilos08:55
Symmetriaheh09:02
Symmetrianot looking forward to mondays work09:02
SymmetriaI gotta stick to 75kg routers into a rack09:02
Kilosai!09:08
Kilos12.04 has encountered an internal error, you need to reboot the pc09:09
Kilosthen it hangs09:09
charlhi Kilos 09:09
Kilosinetpro, can i worry you please09:09
Kiloshi charl 09:09
charli used to get a lotof those too, especially while playing videos with vlc or with flash09:09
charli thought it might have been related to my graphics card but i haven't had them the last while09:10
charlsome kernel upgrade must have fixed the problem09:10
Kilosi need to remove the boot splash screen so i just see text because cant read what to do09:10
charlyeah i hate those fancy splash screens, give me text09:10
charlbut i'm a non-typical user :)09:10
Kilosmine has gone vertical black and white stripes since i changed to a pci graphics card, so dunno what it be saying09:11
Kiloscant read black and white stripes09:11
charli just edited /etc/default/grub and removed quiet splash, then ran update-grub209:13
Kiloswhen it boots and runs fsck i think it gets to the stage where you must choose F for fix etc but i can read there09:14
Kilossigh09:14
charlseems like update-grub2 and update-grub is the same thing now09:14
Kiloshi Jabberwocky_ 09:15
Kiloswow i see strange things here09:16
Kilosmiles@8ta-150-73-187:~$ 09:16
Kilossupposed to be miles@P409:16
Jabberwocky_good morning Kilos, nice to see you09:16
Kilosyou too Jabberwocky_ 09:17
Kiloswb09:17
Symmetriaman, I think end of the year, Im gonna take a years holiday09:17
Symmetriaor something 09:17
Kiloshaha then youll need a holiday to recover from the holiday09:19
Kiloshey magespawn sorry i tried to type but niks happened09:19
inetproKilos: worry me why, no09:23
Kilosthat stupid black and white striped boot splash screen09:23
Kilosjust wanna see text09:23
Kilosoh no09:23
inetproKilos: don't ask to ask, just ask09:23
inetpro:-)09:24
Kilosai!09:24
inetprohmm...09:24
Kilosi gotta first get to my proper prompt09:24
Kiloscant gedit from this dom one09:24
inetprowhat I remember from my exercise is that I used to put something in the grub to bypass09:25
inetprohang on...09:25
Kilosok ty09:25
inetprosomething about nomodeset09:27
inetproKilos: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=161313209:28
Kilosty inetpro 09:29
nlsthznnomodeset always good to add if struggling to get into desktoo09:29
nlsthzn*desktop09:29
nlsthznmorning all also 09:29
Kiloshi nlsthzn 09:29
magespawno/ nlsthzn09:30
magespawnnp Kilos09:30
nlsthznso how is ZA on this monday09:31
Kilosoh magespawn remember i had auto rebooting probs with two 1g ram cards09:31
Kilosok ty nlsthzn 09:31
Kilosi think ive found the prob magespawn , it started doing it with 1x1g and 1x512m09:32
magespawnso what is the problem? damaged memory?09:33
Kilosi found where the main power goes into m/b if i pressed each wire further in on its own the prob went away so got 2 x 1g rams here again09:33
Kilosfaulty plug methinks09:33
magespawnso faulty power connection on the mb09:33
Kilosmaybe plastic covering not removed properly when connecting the plug09:34
Kiloswill strip plug and solder them when i get to it09:34
magespawnKilos: maybe you could start a pc repair shop09:36
Kilosno man it takes too long to find the probs. the peeps will moan09:36
nlsthzn:)09:36
Kilosthat was a bad one though09:36
nlsthznthe longer it takes to fix the more you charge ;)09:36
Kiloswas a hidden problem09:37
Kiloswho would suspect the power plug09:37
Kilosespecially when it worked09:37
magespawnthats the thing, i have also found some repair places simple say its broken get a new one09:40
Kilosyeah i could have a good time collection those that get replaced. must be lotsa good stuff lying around with simple but hard to find probs09:41
Kiloswbb09:44
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ThatGraemeGuyg'day :)10:37
magespawnhey ThatGraemeGuy10:42
magespawnbbl11:38
theblazehenhi all12:13
charlhi theblazehen 12:59
Symmetriaugh wow tenet is flatlined13:32
magespawnsuperfly ping13:42
theblazehenhi ChanServ 13:44
theblazehenhi charl 13:44
magespawnhey theblazehen13:45
magespawnno traffic Symmetria?13:45
Symmetriaheh magespawn heh, saturated13:53
Symmetriaentirely13:53
magespawnreasons?13:53
Symmetriaheh because they are running on wacs and its only 4.8 gig in capacity13:56
inetproSymmetria: vs how many on seacom?13:58
Symmetria1014:03
Symmetriaheh everything is kinda screwed and will be for a while :(14:09
magespawnhow much is this going to affect people who do not directly use seacom?14:09
Symmetriamagespawn heh, I would imagine a fair bit, because its not just seacom thats down14:10
Symmetriamost isps cater for outage on one cable14:10
Symmetriavery few cater for outage on multiple cables14:10
Symmetriaeassy is down as well14:11
Symmetriaand restoration capacity is extremely tight right now because the normal restoration cables are largely down as well (smw3/imewe are both down)14:11
Symmetriameaning that if your isp aint using wacs/sat-3 and doesnt have a lot of capacity there, you're gonna see degradation 14:11
magespawnhectic, so it probable would not help that much to get a temporary account with another isp14:12
magespawnthis would not affect something like yahclick?14:12
Symmetriaheh if its international it would14:21
Vince-0MWeb uncapped ADSL is practically unusable on the weekend.14:28
Vince-0FNB (via IS?) works way better. I switched to OpenWeb cos at least they have Sat3/Seacom as opposed to MWeb with just Seacom14:29
Vince-0MyBB article has MWeb stating their fail-over is only 45% of the seacom bandwith14:30
Vince-0of their* Seacom bandwidth14:30
magespawnsome of my stuff is okay certain sites will just not load and ubuntu updates take forever14:32
magespawni just soldered a power plug connector back onto a laptop motherboard14:32
Symmetriamweb doesnt just have seacom14:35
Symmetriamweb has eassy seacom and wacs14:35
Symmetriaexcept, eassy and seacom both died 14:35
magespawnah well just have to live with it for now14:36
Vince-0MyBB article just released, says MWeb's at 90% capacity 14:48
Vince-0still, switching to OpenWeb silver14:48
Vince-0although those chops havn't debited my account yet and no connection details14:49
Symmetriacrap15:11
Symmetrianow what broke15:11
SymmetriaI just watched 400meg of capacity outta .sg disappear 15:12
magespawnsomebody tripped over another cable15:14
Symmetriaits looking like that15:15
Symmetriaprdi's showing on circuits15:16
magespawni must say i am enjoying kubuntu so far15:39
magespawnokay later all, home time15:51
inetproKilos: you didn't warn me!?16:13
inetproKilos: wb anyway16:13
* inetpro just got home in time before the mighty clouds started opening up16:14
inetprostarting to rain now16:14
superflymagespawn: pong16:41
Kilospower returns. evening all17:41
superflyhi Kilos17:42
Cantidehey Kilos :)17:43
Cantidealso, Tara's votes look good today :)17:43
Kiloshi guys17:43
Kilosyeah she made third so results of winner on the 31st i think17:44
Kilosty for the votes all of you17:44
Cantidei hope the votes don't change further :p17:44
Kilosclosed at 5am this morning our time17:49
Kilosthat est time member17:50
Kilos9pm est17:50
Kilosthe pro had to find time for me17:50
Kilossuperfly: do you have the show hidden shortcut in head?17:50
Kilosctrl+?17:51
superflyKilos: Alt+.17:51
Kilosoh ya ty superfly17:51
Kilosno more unity anywhere17:51
CantideKilos, great :) so then she's through :)17:52
Kilosyip Cantide17:52
Kilosthey happy. were getting stressed but lotsa votes came in late17:52
Kilosshe hopped from 6th to third17:53
inetprosounds like Cantide had something to do with the voting17:53
Cantidei may have asked a few people >_>17:53
Kilosthank you anyone that was involved17:53
Cantide*cough* and suggested dubious voting methods *cough*17:53
Cantidebut i can't confirm that those people did anything >_>17:53
Kiloshehe17:54
Kilosher and her mom are very thankful17:54
inetprowell with that voice I sure hope she goes a lot further than just a third place in this competition, she deserves it 17:54
inetproKilos: how's her throat?17:55
Kilosshe has to go for full back and neck xrays as soon as they can get an appointment  inet17:55
nlsthzn_hmmm... google IRC17:55
Kiloshi nlsthzn_17:55
nlsthzn_hello uncle Kilos17:56
inetproMaaz: google IRC17:56
Maazinetpro: "Internet Relay Chat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat :: "Rescue and Refugee Support | International Rescue Committee (IRC)" http://www.rescue.org/ :: "mIRC: Internet Relay Chat client" http://www.mirc.com/ :: "freenode Web IRC (qwebirc)" http://webchat.freenode.net/ :: "Internet Relay Chat Help"17:56
Maazhttp://www.irchelp.org/ :: "Mibbit chat network" http://mibbit.com/ :: "EFnet - The Original IRC …17:56
inetpronlsthzn_: ^^ ??17:56
nlsthzn_trying out circ, an irc client for chrome browser17:56
nlsthzn_very minimal, hardly better than webchat :p17:57
inetproKilos: nice rains we're having17:57
Kiloswe didnt get much yet inetpro17:58
Kiloslotsa storm though17:58
inetproKilos: corrie posted about flooding as well 17:58
Kiloswhere?17:58
nlsthzn_screenshot - https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13877196/Screenshot-circ.png17:59
Kilosnot here we would welcome some flooding17:59
inetproor rather posted by Rob Byrne ‏@TrafficSA Pretoria - #Flooding in Pretoria North, from Wonderboom and on local routes17:59
Kilosai!17:59
* inetpro feels rather lucky to have arrived at home without getting wet this evening18:01
Kiloslol18:01
inetprothose clouds were full of water18:02
Kilosso inetprowhat about the water testing?18:02
inetproKilos: ai!18:02
Kilosai! no space again18:02
inetprogeen geld daarvoor nie oom18:02
Kilosbut when i told you drink it long ago you first argued18:02
Kilosstrydom18:02
Kilosyour water is fine18:02
inetproI'm still hesitant to drink it18:03
* inetpro wbb18:03
Kilosif it dont kill your dogs you are ok too18:03
Kilosk18:03
magespawnevening all18:18
magespawnsuperfly i was going to ask how to get a built in wireless card to work under kubuntu but got it sorted thanks18:19
superflymagespawn: normally works fine for me :-)18:20
magespawnold laptop, got drivers from linuxkernel.org18:20
magespawnworks fine now18:25
Kiloshey magespawn18:33
Kiloshave a good evening guys. i go sleep.18:34
Kiloscheck you all morrow time18:34
Squirmhi18:37
inetprococooncrash: Happy Birthday!18:44
Squirmcocooncrash: Happy Birthday!18:48
Cantidecocooncrash: Happy Birthday!18:50
nuvolari_meh20:08
nuvolari_typical blue monday20:08
nuvolari_dark blue20:08
nuvolari_navy deep blue20:09
nuvolari_belated happy birthday cocooncrash :P20:09
nlsthzngnight all20:12
nuvolari_night nlsthzn 20:13
magespawncocooncrash: happy birthday20:40
magespawnnight all20:40
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