[05:20] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[05:20] <superfly> morning Kilos 
[05:20] <Kilos> thank you all for the votes 
[06:37] <Kilos> morning jrgns henkj 
[06:37] <henkj> morning Kilos 
[06:39] <Kilos> hi Trix[a]r_za 
[06:44] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[06:45] <Trixar_za> Dammit, don't lag on me
[06:45] <Trixar_za> I'm downloading something
[06:45] <Trixar_za> lol
[06:46] <Trixar_za> The wonders of ScummVM and the games it can run on Linux
[06:46] <Trixar_za> The Dig here I come
[06:46] <jrgns> morning Kilos, all
[06:49] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:51] <inetpro_> good morning
[06:52] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[06:58] <superfly> morning jrgns, Trixar_za, inetpro and maiatoday
[06:59] <Trixar_za> Morning superfly
[07:05] <inetpro> Kilos: did she make it?
[07:08] <Kilos> yeah lotsa peeps voted while we were sleeping so she ended in third place inetpro 
[07:08] <inetpro> you think it was still in time?
[07:08] <Kilos> now she at doc for blood test results
[07:09] <Kilos> what?
[07:09] <Kilos> she sukkeling to swallow 
[07:09] <Kilos> yo Vince-0 
[07:10] <Kilos> i think it closed at our 4am inetpro 
[07:10] <Vince-0> Hi
[07:16] <Trixar_za> This game is so good
[07:16] <Trixar_za> Hey Squirm
[07:16] <inetpro> Maaz: when is mar 24 23:00 est in pretoria
[07:16] <Maaz> inetpro: 2013-03-24 23:00:00 EDT is 2013-03-25 05:00:00 SAST
[07:16] <Trixar_za> Guess who wrote the dialog for this
[07:17] <Trixar_za> It's pretty Enderific :P
[07:17] <Kilos> you understand that inetpro ?
[07:17] <inetpro> Kilos: what?
[07:18] <Kilos> the time thing inetpro 
[07:18] <inetpro> very clear
[07:18] <Kilos> ai!
[07:19] <inetpro> EDT = Eastern Daylight Time
[07:19] <Kilos> oh is edt and est same thing
[07:19] <inetpro> well it's New York, I think
[07:20] <Kilos> they west of us and gmt
[07:20] <Kilos> how do they get to be east
[07:20] <inetpro> Kilos: who is they?
[07:20] <Kilos> states
[07:21] <Kilos> not the freestates either
[07:21] <Kilos> yankeeland
[07:22] <inetpro> Kilos: when you're in the states Soth Africa and the rest of the world do not exist
[07:22] <Kilos> lol
[07:22] <Kilos> thats why the crashkid is so quiet
[07:24] <Symmetria> *sigh*
[07:24] <Symmetria> African internet is a *MESS* right now
[07:25] <Kilos> yeah
[07:25] <Kilos> Symmetria, you back here?
[07:25] <Kilos> chat to Fanie please
[07:25] <Symmetria> kinda, trying to balance traffic via whatever goddamn paths I can find and squeeze capacity outta every path possible
[07:25] <Symmetria> but things are pretty flatlined :(
[07:26] <Symmetria> Kilos I can try and talk to him, dunno how much luck we're gonna have during this mess though
[07:26] <Symmetria> the internet in africa is kinda in crisis mode at hte moment ;p I dont think very many people realize just how large this failure is
[07:27] <Symmetria> its *NOT* just seacom
[07:27] <Kilos> just feedback will set mind at rest
[07:27] <Kilos> and to know he hasnt decided not to host for us
[07:27] <Symmetria> seacom = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> eassy = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> imewe = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> smw3 = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> eig = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> te-north = down
[07:27] <Symmetria> basically, the perfect storm :(
[07:27] <inetpro> Symmetria: not just seacom!? EISH!!
[07:27] <inetpro> who else?
[07:28] <Kilos> ouch
[07:28] <inetpro> ahh
[07:28] <inetpro> wow!
[07:28] <Kilos> whats going on?
[07:28] <Symmetria> so, seacom is down because of te-north/eig being down
[07:28] <Symmetria> normally, they would restore on something else
[07:29] <Symmetria> except, the restore path is probably smw4
[07:29] <Symmetria> but with imewe and smw3 being down, and going down first, those companies on those cables have restored on smw4, and there is no capacity
[07:33] <superfly> Symmetria: and SA ISPs don't have much WACS capacity allocated to them?
[07:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:35] <Symmetria> superfly some do, but what a lot of companies did was split their traffic 3 ways
[07:35] <Symmetria> eassy, seacom and wacs 
[07:35] <Symmetria> catering for a single cable outage 
[07:35] <Symmetria> *NO ONE* caters for 2 similtaneous breaks 
[07:36] <Kilos> hoe did they all break?
[07:36] <Symmetria> there is another path out, but its not easy to bring up capacity on it, and thats going .za -> .ke on eassy or seacom, and then using teams -> .ua and then onward from there 
[07:36] <Symmetria> except, .ua -> .uk is largely on smw4 and thats pretty full right now because of other restoration 
[07:37] <Symmetria> kilos, heh, eig and te-north broke basically at the diverge point where they divert (they come off the coast together, for about 19 kilometers, then split to different routes, it broke about 18.5 kilometers off the coast)
[07:37] <Symmetria> imewe went down a few weeks ago, 140 kilometers south of mumbai, in a rather hard to repair location, ETR on that is the 22nd of April
[07:37] <Symmetria> smw3 Im not sure of all the details on, but there is no ETR on that, its also been down for a bit
[07:37] <Symmetria> and when imewe and smw3 went down, all the people on those restored to smw4
[07:38] <Symmetria> then eig/te-north went down and there was nothing left to restore on
[07:38] <Vince-0> meh, and I thought switching from MWeb- SEACOM to OpenWEB - SAT3/Seacom would help
[07:40] <magespawn> howdy all
[07:40] <magespawn> looks like it is stable enough for irc though
[07:41] <Kilos> yeah irc and mxit fine
[07:41] <Vince-0> and Diablo3
[07:42] <magespawn> i would love to know which traffic they are putting at the top of the list
[07:43] <Kilos> so who bust the cables? fishermen or the atlantians
[07:43] <superfly> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssong/8185423437/
[07:43] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, I dont think its really which traffic 
[07:44] <Symmetria> I think its more a case of, restore waves as they get capacity, wave by wave
[07:44] <Symmetria> in whatever order they come back up
[07:45] <magespawn> so they would not restict youtube in favour of email for example?
[07:48] <magespawn> anybody know the download mirrior here is sa for kubuntu?
[07:48] <magespawn> google is not working too well
[07:48] <Symmetria> magespawn well, it depends, Im pretty sure mweb has torrents on lockdown
[07:49] <Symmetria> for my clients, a torrent lockdown is a move of absolute last resort, I dont wanna block or shape anything if I dont really have to
[07:49] <Kilos> Debbie says thank alot to all that voted for tara
[07:49] <Kilos>  31st of March they decide on the first second and third winners.
[07:56] <magespawn> that cool Kilos
[07:59] <Kilos> i hope they dont start the voting again
[07:59] <Kilos> and make their own decisions
[08:03] <inetpro> Symmetria, superfly: I don't see smw3 and te-north on that diagram
[08:05] <Symmetria> you won't, the te-north and smw3 cables are in the med 
[08:05] <Symmetria> and te-north = seacom in the med
[08:07] <Symmetria> where you see seacom going north of egypt 
[08:07] <Symmetria> that diagram isn't totally geographically correct though
[08:07] <magespawn> bbl 
[08:07] <Symmetria> because seacom doesnt actually go through the suez canal
[08:07] <Symmetria> it switches to terrestrial
[08:07] <Symmetria> then through egypt and leaves egypt via 2 potential points
[08:08] <Symmetria> one in a place called abutolat (sp?) and one in alexandria
[08:15] <inetpro> Symmetria: do you know what caused the downtime?
[08:15] <Symmetria> inetpro, suspected anchor drag took out te-north and eig 
[08:15] <Symmetria> imewe, Im not sure, its been down a while
[08:16] <inetpro> eish! How can that sort of thing be prevented in future?
[08:16] <Symmetria> smw3 was also anchor
[08:16] <inetpro> and is there a way to determine what ship caused it?
[08:17] <Kilos> they will have to supply co-ordinates and make ships not anchor within a certain distance
[08:17] <inetpro> must be some powerful propellers driving those ships
[08:19] <Kilos> like prohibit anchoring withing ten miles or so
[08:20] <inetpro> Symmetria: thanks for the heads up and the info about the cables, let's hope steve song will be able to update his diagrams
[08:24] <zeref>  hi guys, so, need some help.
[08:26] <zeref> I've got a folder to which users upload to, located in say /srv/uploads. / is at 100% full but /var is on another partition. I've created a folder in /var/uploads so that users can upload there.
[08:26] <zeref> i'
[08:27] <zeref> i'm guessing i'll need to use symbolic links so that the uploads go to /var/uploads instead of /srv/uplods
[08:28] <zeref> so will the link be ln -s /srv/uplaods/ /var/uploads/
[08:31] <inetpro> zeref: the other way around
[08:31] <inetpro> and make sure about the spelling :-)
[08:31] <inetpro> ln -s /var/uploads/ /srv/uploads/
[08:32] <zeref> and then can i delete the directory /srv/uploads?
[08:32] <inetpro> zeref: no
[08:33] <inetpro> zeref: rename the folder first so it doesn't exist when you create the softlink
[08:33] <inetpro> then copy the data across to the new partition 
[08:33] <inetpro> and when everything is there, remove it from the old
[08:34] <zeref> ok, so i must rename /srv/uploads to say backup. then i will have /srv/backup then i create a softlink called uploads?
[08:35] <zeref> i've rsync'd the data to /var/uploads already
[08:35] <inetpro> that makes sense
[08:36] <zeref> ok, lemme try on my virtual server before i try on the production.
[08:36] <zeref> thanks inetpro 
[08:37] <inetpro> zeref: you're welcome
[08:39] <zeref> inetpro: 
[08:41] <zeref> nvm
[08:55] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[09:02] <Symmetria> heh
[09:02] <Symmetria> not looking forward to mondays work
[09:02] <Symmetria> I gotta stick to 75kg routers into a rack
[09:08] <Kilos> ai!
[09:09] <Kilos> 12.04 has encountered an internal error, you need to reboot the pc
[09:09] <Kilos> then it hangs
[09:09] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:09] <Kilos> inetpro, can i worry you please
[09:09] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:09] <charl> i used to get a lotof those too, especially while playing videos with vlc or with flash
[09:10] <charl> i thought it might have been related to my graphics card but i haven't had them the last while
[09:10] <charl> some kernel upgrade must have fixed the problem
[09:10] <Kilos> i need to remove the boot splash screen so i just see text because cant read what to do
[09:10] <charl> yeah i hate those fancy splash screens, give me text
[09:10] <charl> but i'm a non-typical user :)
[09:11] <Kilos> mine has gone vertical black and white stripes since i changed to a pci graphics card, so dunno what it be saying
[09:11] <Kilos> cant read black and white stripes
[09:13] <charl> i just edited /etc/default/grub and removed quiet splash, then ran update-grub2
[09:14] <Kilos> when it boots and runs fsck i think it gets to the stage where you must choose F for fix etc but i can read there
[09:14] <Kilos> sigh
[09:14] <charl> seems like update-grub2 and update-grub is the same thing now
[09:15] <Kilos> hi Jabberwocky_ 
[09:16] <Kilos> wow i see strange things here
[09:16] <Kilos> miles@8ta-150-73-187:~$ 
[09:16] <Kilos> supposed to be miles@P4
[09:16] <Jabberwocky_> good morning Kilos, nice to see you
[09:17] <Kilos> you too Jabberwocky_ 
[09:17] <Kilos> wb
[09:17] <Symmetria> man, I think end of the year, Im gonna take a years holiday
[09:17] <Symmetria> or something 
[09:19] <Kilos> haha then youll need a holiday to recover from the holiday
[09:19] <Kilos> hey magespawn sorry i tried to type but niks happened
[09:23] <inetpro> Kilos: worry me why, no
[09:23] <Kilos> that stupid black and white striped boot splash screen
[09:23] <Kilos> just wanna see text
[09:23] <Kilos> oh no
[09:23] <inetpro> Kilos: don't ask to ask, just ask
[09:24] <inetpro> :-)
[09:24] <Kilos> ai!
[09:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:24] <Kilos> i gotta first get to my proper prompt
[09:24] <Kilos> cant gedit from this dom one
[09:25] <inetpro> what I remember from my exercise is that I used to put something in the grub to bypass
[09:25] <inetpro> hang on...
[09:25] <Kilos> ok ty
[09:27] <inetpro> something about nomodeset
[09:28] <inetpro> Kilos: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[09:29] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[09:29] <nlsthzn> nomodeset always good to add if struggling to get into desktoo
[09:29] <nlsthzn> *desktop
[09:29] <nlsthzn> morning all also 
[09:29] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[09:30] <magespawn> o/ nlsthzn
[09:30] <magespawn> np Kilos
[09:31] <nlsthzn> so how is ZA on this monday
[09:31] <Kilos> oh magespawn remember i had auto rebooting probs with two 1g ram cards
[09:31] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn 
[09:32] <Kilos> i think ive found the prob magespawn , it started doing it with 1x1g and 1x512m
[09:33] <magespawn> so what is the problem? damaged memory?
[09:33] <Kilos> i found where the main power goes into m/b if i pressed each wire further in on its own the prob went away so got 2 x 1g rams here again
[09:33] <Kilos> faulty plug methinks
[09:33] <magespawn> so faulty power connection on the mb
[09:34] <Kilos> maybe plastic covering not removed properly when connecting the plug
[09:34] <Kilos> will strip plug and solder them when i get to it
[09:36] <magespawn> Kilos: maybe you could start a pc repair shop
[09:36] <Kilos> no man it takes too long to find the probs. the peeps will moan
[09:36] <nlsthzn> :)
[09:36] <Kilos> that was a bad one though
[09:36] <nlsthzn> the longer it takes to fix the more you charge ;)
[09:37] <Kilos> was a hidden problem
[09:37] <Kilos> who would suspect the power plug
[09:37] <Kilos> especially when it worked
[09:40] <magespawn> thats the thing, i have also found some repair places simple say its broken get a new one
[09:41] <Kilos> yeah i could have a good time collection those that get replaced. must be lotsa good stuff lying around with simple but hard to find probs
[09:44] <Kilos> wbb
[10:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> g'day :)
[10:42] <magespawn> hey ThatGraemeGuy
[11:38] <magespawn> bbl
[12:13] <theblazehen> hi all
[12:59] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[13:32] <Symmetria> ugh wow tenet is flatlined
[13:42] <magespawn> superfly ping
[13:44] <theblazehen> hi ChanServ 
[13:44] <theblazehen> hi charl 
[13:45] <magespawn> hey theblazehen
[13:45] <magespawn> no traffic Symmetria?
[13:53] <Symmetria> heh magespawn heh, saturated
[13:53] <Symmetria> entirely
[13:53] <magespawn> reasons?
[13:56] <Symmetria> heh because they are running on wacs and its only 4.8 gig in capacity
[13:58] <inetpro> Symmetria: vs how many on seacom?
[14:03] <Symmetria> 10
[14:09] <Symmetria> heh everything is kinda screwed and will be for a while :(
[14:09] <magespawn> how much is this going to affect people who do not directly use seacom?
[14:10] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, I would imagine a fair bit, because its not just seacom thats down
[14:10] <Symmetria> most isps cater for outage on one cable
[14:10] <Symmetria> very few cater for outage on multiple cables
[14:11] <Symmetria> eassy is down as well
[14:11] <Symmetria> and restoration capacity is extremely tight right now because the normal restoration cables are largely down as well (smw3/imewe are both down)
[14:11] <Symmetria> meaning that if your isp aint using wacs/sat-3 and doesnt have a lot of capacity there, you're gonna see degradation 
[14:12] <magespawn> hectic, so it probable would not help that much to get a temporary account with another isp
[14:12] <magespawn> this would not affect something like yahclick?
[14:21] <Symmetria> heh if its international it would
[14:28] <Vince-0> MWeb uncapped ADSL is practically unusable on the weekend.
[14:29] <Vince-0> FNB (via IS?) works way better. I switched to OpenWeb cos at least they have Sat3/Seacom as opposed to MWeb with just Seacom
[14:30] <Vince-0> MyBB article has MWeb stating their fail-over is only 45% of the seacom bandwith
[14:30] <Vince-0> of their* Seacom bandwidth
[14:32] <magespawn> some of my stuff is okay certain sites will just not load and ubuntu updates take forever
[14:32] <magespawn> i just soldered a power plug connector back onto a laptop motherboard
[14:35] <Symmetria> mweb doesnt just have seacom
[14:35] <Symmetria> mweb has eassy seacom and wacs
[14:35] <Symmetria> except, eassy and seacom both died 
[14:36] <magespawn> ah well just have to live with it for now
[14:48] <Vince-0> MyBB article just released, says MWeb's at 90% capacity 
[14:48] <Vince-0> still, switching to OpenWeb silver
[14:49] <Vince-0> although those chops havn't debited my account yet and no connection details
[15:11] <Symmetria> crap
[15:11] <Symmetria> now what broke
[15:12] <Symmetria> I just watched 400meg of capacity outta .sg disappear 
[15:14] <magespawn> somebody tripped over another cable
[15:15] <Symmetria> its looking like that
[15:16] <Symmetria> prdi's showing on circuits
[15:39] <magespawn> i must say i am enjoying kubuntu so far
[15:51] <magespawn> okay later all, home time
[16:13] <inetpro> Kilos: you didn't warn me!?
[16:13] <inetpro> Kilos: wb anyway
[16:14]  * inetpro just got home in time before the mighty clouds started opening up
[16:14] <inetpro> starting to rain now
[16:41] <superfly> magespawn: pong
[17:41] <Kilos> power returns. evening all
[17:42] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:43] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[17:43] <Cantide> also, Tara's votes look good today :)
[17:43] <Kilos> hi guys
[17:44] <Kilos> yeah she made third so results of winner on the 31st i think
[17:44] <Kilos> ty for the votes all of you
[17:44] <Cantide> i hope the votes don't change further :p
[17:49] <Kilos> closed at 5am this morning our time
[17:50] <Kilos> that est time member
[17:50] <Kilos> 9pm est
[17:50] <Kilos> the pro had to find time for me
[17:50] <Kilos> superfly: do you have the show hidden shortcut in head?
[17:51] <Kilos> ctrl+?
[17:51] <superfly> Kilos: Alt+.
[17:51] <Kilos> oh ya ty superfly
[17:51] <Kilos> no more unity anywhere
[17:52] <Cantide> Kilos, great :) so then she's through :)
[17:52] <Kilos> yip Cantide
[17:52] <Kilos> they happy. were getting stressed but lotsa votes came in late
[17:53] <Kilos> she hopped from 6th to third
[17:53] <inetpro> sounds like Cantide had something to do with the voting
[17:53] <Cantide> i may have asked a few people >_>
[17:53] <Kilos> thank you anyone that was involved
[17:53] <Cantide> *cough* and suggested dubious voting methods *cough*
[17:53] <Cantide> but i can't confirm that those people did anything >_>
[17:54] <Kilos> hehe
[17:54] <Kilos> her and her mom are very thankful
[17:54] <inetpro> well with that voice I sure hope she goes a lot further than just a third place in this competition, she deserves it 
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: how's her throat?
[17:55] <Kilos> she has to go for full back and neck xrays as soon as they can get an appointment  inet
[17:55] <nlsthzn_> hmmm... google IRC
[17:55] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn_
[17:56] <nlsthzn_> hello uncle Kilos
[17:56] <inetpro> Maaz: google IRC
[17:56] <Maaz> inetpro: "Internet Relay Chat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat :: "Rescue and Refugee Support | International Rescue Committee (IRC)" http://www.rescue.org/ :: "mIRC: Internet Relay Chat client" http://www.mirc.com/ :: "freenode Web IRC (qwebirc)" http://webchat.freenode.net/ :: "Internet Relay Chat Help"
[17:56] <Maaz> http://www.irchelp.org/ :: "Mibbit chat network" http://mibbit.com/ :: "EFnet - The Original IRC …
[17:56] <inetpro> nlsthzn_: ^^ ??
[17:56] <nlsthzn_> trying out circ, an irc client for chrome browser
[17:57] <nlsthzn_> very minimal, hardly better than webchat :p
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: nice rains we're having
[17:58] <Kilos> we didnt get much yet inetpro
[17:58] <Kilos> lotsa storm though
[17:58] <inetpro> Kilos: corrie posted about flooding as well 
[17:58] <Kilos> where?
[17:59] <nlsthzn_> screenshot - https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13877196/Screenshot-circ.png
[17:59] <Kilos> not here we would welcome some flooding
[17:59] <inetpro> or rather posted by Rob Byrne ‏@TrafficSA Pretoria - #Flooding in Pretoria North, from Wonderboom and on local routes
[17:59] <Kilos> ai!
[18:01]  * inetpro feels rather lucky to have arrived at home without getting wet this evening
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <inetpro> those clouds were full of water
[18:02] <Kilos> so inetprowhat about the water testing?
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[18:02] <Kilos> ai! no space again
[18:02] <inetpro> geen geld daarvoor nie oom
[18:02] <Kilos> but when i told you drink it long ago you first argued
[18:02] <Kilos> strydom
[18:02] <Kilos> your water is fine
[18:03] <inetpro> I'm still hesitant to drink it
[18:03]  * inetpro wbb
[18:03] <Kilos> if it dont kill your dogs you are ok too
[18:03] <Kilos> k
[18:18] <magespawn> evening all
[18:19] <magespawn> superfly i was going to ask how to get a built in wireless card to work under kubuntu but got it sorted thanks
[18:20] <superfly> magespawn: normally works fine for me :-)
[18:20] <magespawn> old laptop, got drivers from linuxkernel.org
[18:25] <magespawn> works fine now
[18:33] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[18:34] <Kilos> have a good evening guys. i go sleep.
[18:34] <Kilos> check you all morrow time
[18:37] <Squirm> hi
[18:44] <inetpro> cocooncrash: Happy Birthday!
[18:48] <Squirm> cocooncrash: Happy Birthday!
[18:50] <Cantide> cocooncrash: Happy Birthday!
[20:08] <nuvolari_> meh
[20:08] <nuvolari_> typical blue monday
[20:08] <nuvolari_> dark blue
[20:09] <nuvolari_> navy deep blue
[20:09] <nuvolari_> belated happy birthday cocooncrash :P
[20:12] <nlsthzn> gnight all
[20:13] <nuvolari_> night nlsthzn 
[20:40] <magespawn> cocooncrash: happy birthday
[20:40] <magespawn> night all