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MountainXKSnapshot (and other screen capture methods) are broken for me in Kubuntu 12.04 (KDE 4.8.5 and kernel 3.2.0-39 amd64, AMD/ATI graphics) after a recent system update. Anyone else seeing this?01:30
ScottKMountainX: How recent?01:54
MountainXScottK: the problem started about a month ago (seemingly after an update to the lockscreen).01:55
ScottKKDE hasn't been updated since Feb 14.01:57
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MountainXScottK: someone suggested it might be kwin related. The problem about the same time the updates related to the lockscreen came through. Now every screenshot is nothing more than a picture of the stock lockscreen background.03:04
ScottKOK.  Let me check something.03:05
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soeegood morning06:47
Tm_Twell this is interesting: https://foodl.org/ && https://github.com/UNINETT/Foodle08:08
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xnoxScottK: i'd rather not hurry purging messaging menu out of kde, i'd rather look into porting it.09:34
xnox(myself that is)09:34
ScottKxnox: It currently has no maintainer, so that'd be great.09:35
ScottKI am somewhat concerned about our dbusmenu getting out of sync with upstream.09:36
ScottKxnox: If there are application level changes needed we'll need to upstream those as well, so they'll need to work with either version.09:37
* xnox so far was doing straight s/libindicate/messaging-menu/ port, without fallbacks. As libindicate doesn't work in quantal & I want it to be removed sooner than later.09:38
xnoxScottK: is that because you backport so aggressively?09:38
xnoxto precise that is.09:39
ScottKNo.  It's because we, unlike the desktop team, actually got all this stuff upstream and so it needs to be supported.09:39
ScottKI don't know who all uses it and if they've upgraded to the newer stack.09:39
xnoxheh.09:39
ScottKMore generally, unlike almost anything Canonical touches.09:40
xnoxScottK: ?! ?! ?!09:49
xnoxAnyway: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/news/pyqt-410 this is so brief and to the point that it doesn't tell me much =)09:49
ScottKThere's an open bug about packaging PyQt for Qt5.10:03
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Riddellmgraesslin: sorry you had troubles installing kubuntu on a pandaboard11:21
Riddellyou were nearly there with the install, it installs to a USB drive and boots off that, no needs to have a second sd card11:21
mgraesslinnot it doesn't :-)11:22
mgraesslinI tried that one indirectly, had the sd card in USB stick mode11:22
mgraesslinand it didn't boot from that11:22
RiddellI'd blame the sd card reader for that then since booting off USB stick is how I test it all the time11:23
mgraesslinmaybe I have a different model11:24
mgraesslinanyway I liked the "dd to card" variant better than having to install ;-)11:25
Riddellyeah that was simpler, can't remember why that changed, speed of running it from usb maybe?11:25
Riddelltotal sympathy with confusion between HDMI and DVI, I spent days mucking around with that (DVI monitor but depending on driver version worked from one port or the other but usually neither)11:26
mgraesslinoh with Ubuntu it worked fine all the time11:26
mgraesslinit was just Linaro having problems with that11:27
mgraesslinI was extremely surprised when I booted the system yesterday and I heard the KDE start sound11:27
mgraesslinand I had not connected audio :-)11:27
Riddell... how does that work?11:29
mgraesslinhdmi11:29
Riddellah hah11:29
mgraesslinwhat surprised me a little bit was that by default kwin is used instead of kwin_gles11:32
mgraesslinnot that it matters given that KWin GLES does not work on the pandaboard...11:32
Riddellmgraesslin: hmm, I'm sure that wasn't the case at one point but yes the seeds do have only the normal kwin11:38
Riddellactive has kwin active gles11:38
Riddellbut that should be fixed for arm11:38
mgraesslinmaybe it's the gles kwin, I didn't look at the compile flags11:38
mgraesslinif it's compiled without OpenGL, but with GLES, it results in the same as kwin_gles11:39
mgraesslinI only noticed that kde-window-decorator got installed instead of kde-window-decorator-gles11:39
mgraesslinbut maybe the installation would do it properly, I finally installed kubuntu-desktop11:39
BluesKajHiyas all11:50
lordievaderGood afternoon12:00
DarkwingMorning12:34
Riddellhi Darkwing 12:35
DarkwingHows life in KubuLand12:35
Darkwing?12:35
Riddellsuper dooper, if with a long todo list12:36
davmor2Riddell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYTOavWs6Aw this might interest you guys.12:38
tazzso they started selling nexus 7 in India too.12:39
tazzshadeslayer, ^12:39
Riddelldavmor2: wathcing at 25:30 seconds12:44
Riddell"this is very familiar, I like it"12:45
Riddellexcellent excellent12:46
davmor2Riddell: I thought you might like it12:46
Riddelldoesn't have many wallpapers, that's a common issue we get12:46
DarkwingAye, we should do something about that.12:47
davmor2Riddell: they do some nice videos that are very task orientated12:47
davmor2I stumbled across it one day12:47
DarkwingSome of the worst camera play but, what they do is amazing.12:47
lordievaderNice video Darkwing :) I'm just 6 min in, but it is great already!12:48
DarkwingLOL What's the point of that? (Bouncy Ball)12:48
Darkwinglordievader: Kubuntu at 25:3012:49
Riddell"this one is a good one"12:50
Riddellthat should be our new slogan12:50
Darkwing:D 12:50
DarkwingIt's a brilliant idea12:51
Darkwing"It's logical and they don't give things strange names"12:52
DarkwingRiddell: I think this sums up who I want to move to an online system for writing docs... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-March/017141.html13:04
Darkwings/who.why.13:04
Darkwings/who/why/13:04
kubotuDarkwing meant: "s/why.why."13:04
Darkwing*sigh*13:04
DarkwingActually, it tags the frustration of new people trying to get involved with anything.13:05
DarkwingWe point to teams and some quasi jumbled documentation on it but, it really highlight the frustrations.13:07
RiddellDarkwing: yep, it's quite a barrier to people getting into the docs13:09
Tm_Tso, I said something about Konqueror crashing and me trying to get debug information...13:10
Tm_Tit hasn't crashed since13:10
DarkwingTm_T: But, you are ready in case it does.13:10
Tm_Tyeah13:12
Tm_TI'm rather happy now seeing Konqueror really working as it used to do with me13:13
BluesKajTm_T:  as a browser or file manager or both ?13:16
DarkwingBut of course they don't. *sigh*13:18
* Darkwing slowly strangles the servers that the wiki sits on.13:20
Tm_TBluesKaj: web browser, I rarely use GUI file browsers13:21
DarkwingRiddell: Remember how a couple of UDS' ago in Florida, it was mentioned that we wish we had an index of all of the Kubuntu wiki pages?  http://paste.kde.org/709448/13:27
yofelDarkwing: no reasonable way to get more wallpapers with current image size13:38
yofelDarkwing: and doesn't moinmoin have a search command for that wiki list?13:39
RiddellDarkwing: whee, probably a few in there we could delete :)13:39
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Darkwingyofel: That is from that... add ?action=titleindex at the end.14:35
yofelheh14:35
DarkwingIt give ALL the wiki pages... I just C&P the Kubuntu ones.14:35
Darkwing*if* the server had PyXML then I could use ?action=format&mimetype=xml/docbook to generate docbook from it.14:36
xnoxScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/boost1.53/ has no dep-wait any more. only one kde failure and I'm not sure why... seems like it fails in moc?!15:02
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Riddell../../../src/part/DotGraphParsingHelper.cpp:29:33: fatal error: boost/spirit/core.hpp: No such file or directory15:18
Riddellxnox: looks like an API change?15:18
xnoxRiddell: which package is that for?15:18
xnoxcould be anything. I whink I found a bug in qt4's moc.15:19
xnoxhttps://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-2282915:19
xnoxaka15:19
xnoxhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=75639515:19
ubottubugzilla.redhat.com bug 756395 in qt "[Boost-1.48.0] Qt and [Parse error at "BOOST_JOIN"] error" [High,Closed: rawhide]15:19
xnoxaka bug 111965615:19
ubottubug 1119656 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "plot-qt demo fails to build with Boost 1.53" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111965615:19
xnoxI'm testing a patch & rebuilding 6 packages which failed with BOOST_JOIN.15:19
Riddellxnox: that's in kgraphviewer15:19
xnoxRiddell: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_53_0/libs/spirit/classic/change_log.html15:20
xnoxrenamed.15:21
Riddellxnox: ah that sounds easily patchable then15:22
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Riddellxnox: ok with a ubiquity upload?  I want to test the fix for the kubuntu oem slideshow16:01
xnoxRiddell: yeah, go ahead =)16:01
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1119656] plot-qt demo fails to build with Boost 1.53 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1119656 (by Garth Wells)16:01
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ovidiu-florinhello world :D16:32
ovidiu-florinthis bug is the cause that forces me at work to use thunderbird: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31738716:32
ubottuKDE bug 317387 in general "On reply, if the Name of an identity contains something in parentheses the content in parentheses does not apear in the from field." [Normal,Unconfirmed]16:32
Riddellthat coule be annoying yes16:37
Riddellovidiu-florin: if they come up with a patch you might want to try and get it in the packages16:37
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I would16:38
ovidiu-florinIf I could afford it I think I would pay someone to do it16:38
ovidiu-florinI mean to make a patch16:39
ovidiu-florinthis is one of the reasons that might force me off linux at work16:40
ovidiu-florinI hope this won't happen16:40
Riddellovidiu-florin: you posted about a romanian website?17:07
ovidiu-florinyes17:08
ovidiu-florinRiddell: ^17:08
Riddellovidiu-florin: so I think we'd be all for it17:09
Riddellit's a question of how17:09
ovidiu-florinhow what?17:09
Riddellhow to put up a website17:10
Riddellit's currently a drupal website17:10
Riddellon a canonical server17:10
ovidiu-florinI think if we just translate the enclish one would be enough17:10
Riddellovidiu-florin: but there's technical details of where to host and how to keep it up to date17:10
Riddellthe easiest way would be just to give you details to access the current web server and you can make pages under /ro/ URLs17:11
ovidiu-florinI could host it on my serverbut I can't guarantee that it will be 100% available17:11
ovidiu-florinmaybe with automatic IP detection based on location and redirect to the ro site?17:12
ovidiu-florinmeybe durpal has a module for that17:12
ovidiu-florins/meybe/maybe17:13
ovidiu-florinmy server is located at my home17:14
ovidiu-florinit's an 8 year old laptop17:14
ovidiu-florinhttp://ovidiub13.dyndns.org17:15
Riddellovidiu-florin: how about you set it up on your server so we know it all works, we buy the domain name and ask canonical to host it when it's all ready?17:19
volkanRiddell: Hi Jonathan. 17:35
volkanRiddell: I just read your email regarding to localized websites. what can we do for it?17:35
Riddellvolkan: you're the guy who wants to do a turkish one?17:36
volkanRiddell: yes. 17:37
volkanRiddell: but of course my wish was not only for turkish. 17:38
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Riddellvolkan: so one way to do it would be set up a server and install drupal and get it all going17:52
Riddellthen get a domain name and a more permanant server once it's ready17:52
Riddellanother way that might work is just giving access details to the current website so you can make pages under /tr/foo17:52
volkanRiddell: hmm. what about the images on the website? e.g. in features page the images contain English text. Do you keep the project files for these images?17:54
Riddellvolkan: no they'd need to be set up again, but the screenshots on the features page are really out of date and need redone anyway17:56
volkanRiddell: so than for this moment, copying all the structure of main site into a subfolder and translating, right?17:57
volkan*then17:57
volkanand on the mail you already told me this site was using drupal. maybe there is an extension (or module, plugin etc) to enable multi-languages on pages? actually I havent used drupal17:58
Riddellvolkan: yeah there's no subfolders in drupal, it's just a database18:04
RiddellThere probably is various modules for translations but I've never looked into it I'm afraid18:05
Riddellovidiu-florin here is also interested in doing one18:05
Riddellfor romanian18:05
Riddellovidiu-florin: ever set up drupal?18:06
volkanRiddell: yes it will be good. otherwise we can check and test it on our local laptops. can we just download the whole structure?18:07
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I've used drupal for a while18:08
volkanif you can dump the database and send, we can start18:08
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I could say I have some experience with it18:08
ovidiu-florinvolkan: I don't think a DB dump is enough18:10
ovidiu-florinwe also need to know what modules they have installed18:10
Riddelloh gosh I've no idea what modules it uses18:11
Riddellit's hosted by canonical18:11
Riddellthe theme is lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org18:11
ovidiu-floringo to modules and print the page as PDF18:11
ovidiu-florinRiddell: question: if canonical no longer supports kubuntu why is the website hosted there?18:12
Riddellovidiu-florin: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/ModulesKubuntu.pdf18:13
Riddellovidiu-florin: canonical still provides the hosting and many other things for kubuntu, it's all part of the bigger ubuntu project18:14
ovidiu-florinRiddell: where can the theme be downlaoded from?18:15
Riddellovidiu-florin: bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org18:16
ovidiu-florinstupid question: is that a command/link? sorry I don't know18:17
Riddellovidiu-florin: it's a command18:19
Riddelllink is https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org18:19
ovidiu-florincd ..18:22
ovidiu-florinsorry18:22
Riddell:)18:23
ovidiu-florindrupal 7.21 is ok?18:24
yofel__the site runs on 6.2518:25
ovidiu-florinok, I'll get 6.2818:25
Riddellyofel__: how do you know that?18:26
yofel__http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/site.png18:26
yofel__Home  ›  Administer  ›  Reports  ›   Status report18:26
Riddellclever18:28
volkanRiddell: btw i have written a long mail before. i hope you could check it out sometime. it is related to kubuntu documentation and some other non-translatabel applications.18:28
Riddellvolkan: yep still going through my e-mail18:28
volkanovidiu-florin: are those modules comes by default?18:30
ovidiu-florinvolkan: I'l answer that once I'll install a drupal18:30
ovidiu-florinin a moment18:30
ovidiu-florinI have to move things around a bit18:31
volkanovidiu-florin: ok cool :)18:31
volkanovidiu-florin: and for the videos, you are the volunteer for romaian sub or dub, right?18:39
volkanRiddell: did you find time to read the mail regarding to ubiquity slidevideos?18:40
ovidiu-florinvolkan: yes18:40
volkanovidiu-florin: do you want to volunteer for recording some videos?18:41
ovidiu-florinI don't have the time to also do the recordings18:41
volkanmy plan was only recording and using subtitles, since me (and probably some other volunteers ) are not native and it may be annoying and seem not professional18:42
Riddellvolkan: as you noticed, we do need poked hard to ensure these things are working18:43
Riddellvolkan: please do keep poking us18:43
Riddellvolkan: the slideshow translations I've not thought about before, I know it's possible, I'll look into how they're done18:44
Riddellvolkan: the docs translations need to be manually integrated each release so you do need to poke us into doing that18:44
Riddellhmm and userconfig, good question18:45
ovidiu-florinthat reminds me, I have to file a few bug reports18:45
ovidiu-florinbut I'll come back to that18:45
volkanRiddell: ok, whom should I ask for integration of documents?18:46
volkanRiddell: also the outdated links in Kubuntu Wiki translation pages?18:46
Riddellvolkan: poke me or Darkwing but it'll be done near to release time18:54
RiddellI suppose it might be useful to do an interim docs with translations soon though so we remember how to do it18:55
Riddellvolkan: which translation pag?18:55
Riddellpage?18:55
volkanRiddell: ok before april mid. then right?18:56
volkani will poke you18:56
volkanRiddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Translations18:56
volkanRiddell: and it seems since precise it does not get these specific strings from Launchpad since it seems they are still english :/.18:57
volkanif you want I can make a list of strings that are not translated and post somewhere18:57
soeehmm who removed my skype :M19:04
Riddellvolkan: yeah that would be good19:07
Riddellvolkan: thanks so much for looking into this, it's too easy for us to skip over19:07
volkanRiddell: no problem. drawback of using Kubuntu in English :)19:11
volkanRiddell: I created a google doc file. i will inform you again in mid-april19:23
volkanhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uvl6um0fwFVOKzC3bM9jvEwZbqK33gleV2yRi_dbpMU/edit?usp=sharing19:23
volkanovidiu-florin: have you noticed those problems in Romanian localization?19:23
Riddellthanks volkan, I'll try and reply to your e-mails tomorrow19:23
ovidiu-florinvolkan: sorry I missed a few... what problems?19:28
volkanRiddell: no problem. Also is there any other touchpad utility since synaptiks is not developed anymore (as i remember from their website) and crashes all the time for me19:28
volkanovidiu-florin: the translation problems that I ve listed here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uvl6um0fwFVOKzC3bM9jvEwZbqK33gleV2yRi_dbpMU/edit?usp=sharing19:29
ovidiu-florinI'm also a member of LibreOffice Romanian team19:32
ovidiu-florinLO is still under translation19:32
ovidiu-florinLO 4 has updated translations19:33
ovidiu-florinwhat version is default with kubuntu?19:33
ovidiu-florinI forgot19:33
ovidiu-florinI know who is envolved in KDE Ro translation and I've asked for membership and access, but I haven't reveived it yet19:34
ovidiu-florinvolkan: ^19:34
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I've updated my server now it can be accessed by the url: http://geekaliens.com19:35
volkanovidiu-florin: Sürüm4.0.1.2 (İnşa No: 400m0(Build:2))19:35
ovidiu-florinRiddell: the kubuntu.ro website is available at http://geekaliens.com/kubuntu.ro19:35
volkanops sory19:35
volkanovidiu-florin: Version 4.0.1.2 (Build: 400m0(Build:2))19:36
ovidiu-florinvolkan: on which Kubuntu release?19:36
volkanovidiu-florin: 13.04 beta1, but it was the same with 12.10 (i jst upgraded)19:36
Darkwingvolkan: As soon as the doc freeze hits, I'll upload the pot files for translations19:45
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I've installed the kubuntu theme. Could I also get a DB dump to use ?19:48
volkanDarkwing: thanks for answering. for docbook, is it required that all linking documents need to be translated19:53
volkani mean in development part, there are 26 string missing and I am afraid if i can finish till mid*april19:53
Riddellovidiu-florin: ah, DB dump is harder, I don't have access to that, it would need to come from the canonical sysadmins, who are notoriously slow at doing anything20:02
volkanovidiu-florin: will you be able to try a plugin for multilanguage support?20:11
Darkwingvolkan: I'll have to check. Can you shoot me an email david.wonderly@kubuntu.org to remind me?20:17
ovidiu-florinvolkan: I've allready tried that in drupal and it failed20:27
ovidiu-florinbut I've tried that about one year ago20:27
ovidiu-florinso, I don't know the current state20:27
volkanovidiu-florin: ok then. maybe I could try it too. should we use the same version of drupal?20:30
volkanDarkwing: ok. i am sending it now20:31
ovidiu-florinI've went for drupal 6 for better compatibility with kubuntu.org20:31
volkanovidiu-florin: what about the plugins? will you try it after database dump?20:35
ovidiu-florinI can't get the DB dump20:35
volkancan u also post it under Kubuntu Localization mails that you sent last if you find something new20:35
ovidiu-florinvolkan:  I'm not sure I understand what you mean20:36
volkanovidiu-florin: can you send an e-mail regarding to database dump if you get it under last mail for Localization in kubuntu-devel (that I wrote at the beginning)20:44
ovidiu-florinah, yes, of course20:45
volkanso that maybe then I can also get it and start translating. then they can decide integrating under kubuntu.org20:45
ovidiu-florinRiddell: whom do I have to contact to get the DB dump?20:56
ovidiu-florinRiddell volkan if we can't get the db dump I recommend we make a template for the LoCo websites that won't include everithing on the main website, but it will include instructions on how to use/get kubuntu20:58
volkanovidiu-florin: I hope we will. if not yes, we can use the html files under kubuntu-theme to translate and some texts on loco websites. but having them supported by kubuntu is more effective i think21:00
volkanovidiu-florin Riddell i wonder if there is a way to backup database under drupal21:18
volkanmaybe in this case it is very easy21:19
ovidiu-florinvolkan: there should be a module for that21:19
volkanovidiu-florin: probably this one: http://drupal.org/project/backup_migrate21:22
ovidiu-florincould be21:23
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jaysonrapt-cache search cpufreq22:40
jaysonrdang :-)22:40
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Riddellovidiu-florin: that'll be canonical sysadmin e-mailing rt@ubuntu.com22:54
ovidiu-florinRiddell: rt?22:55
Riddellovidiu-florin: rt is some sort of issue tracker database, for some reason they don't just use launchpad bugs22:58
ovidiu-florinRiddell: rt@ubuntu.com? do I need to subscribe to that mail list?22:58
Riddellovidiu-florin: no just send, ask in #canonical-sysadmin for more details22:58
ovidiu-florinok22:58
ovidiu-florinthank you22:58
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Riddellovidiu-florin: you should get a reply back with a number, give it to me and I'll add that the request is legic23:00
Riddelllegit23:00
ovidiu-florinRiddell: should I write a formal email explaining what I need?23:03
Riddellovidiu-florin: yes23:05
ovidiu-florincan I mentoin that I got the email address from you?23:06
ovidiu-florinmention*23:07
Riddellovidiu-florin: mention that I told you to file the request23:07
ovidiu-florinok23:07
ovidiu-florinRiddell: doesn't anybody have permissions to install modules on the site?23:09
ovidiu-florinan module that can export a backup could do all this.23:10
ovidiu-florinRiddell: LaMont Jones told me on #canonical-sysadmins: it would be best to have it go thru RT if for nothing more than tracking..23:13
ovidiu-florinI'm not sure what this means23:13
Riddellovidiu-florin: it means you should e-mail that request so they have a log of it23:14
Riddellonly the canonical sysadmins have permissions to install anything on it23:14
Riddellthis is quite frustrating I know23:15
* Riddell sleeps23:16
ovidiu-florinRiddell: is this ok? https://notes.kde.org/p/uiK48PpB7R23:17
ovidiu-florinrequest sent23:22
volkanovidiu-florin: good luck! hope we get a reply23:55
ovidiu-florinI've got the the track ID... and now.. I'm jsut waiting23:56
volkanovidiu-florin: did you forward this id to Jonathan, too? 23:58
ovidiu-florinyes23:58

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