[01:30] KSnapshot (and other screen capture methods) are broken for me in Kubuntu 12.04 (KDE 4.8.5 and kernel 3.2.0-39 amd64, AMD/ATI graphics) after a recent system update. Anyone else seeing this? [01:54] MountainX: How recent? [01:55] ScottK: the problem started about a month ago (seemingly after an update to the lockscreen). [01:57] KDE hasn't been updated since Feb 14. === fenris is now known as Guest24195 [03:04] ScottK: someone suggested it might be kwin related. The problem about the same time the updates related to the lockscreen came through. Now every screenshot is nothing more than a picture of the stock lockscreen background. [03:05] OK. Let me check something. === fenris is now known as Guest18389 === jesssie__ is now known as jessie_ === jessie_ is now known as Guest32667 === Guest32667 is now known as jessie|work === jessie|work is now known as jesssie__ [06:47] good morning [08:08] well this is interesting: https://foodl.org/ && https://github.com/UNINETT/Foodle === valorie is now known as valorie_ === valorie_ is now known as valorie === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson [09:34] ScottK: i'd rather not hurry purging messaging menu out of kde, i'd rather look into porting it. [09:34] (myself that is) [09:35] xnox: It currently has no maintainer, so that'd be great. [09:36] I am somewhat concerned about our dbusmenu getting out of sync with upstream. [09:37] xnox: If there are application level changes needed we'll need to upstream those as well, so they'll need to work with either version. [09:38] * xnox so far was doing straight s/libindicate/messaging-menu/ port, without fallbacks. As libindicate doesn't work in quantal & I want it to be removed sooner than later. [09:38] ScottK: is that because you backport so aggressively? [09:39] to precise that is. [09:39] No. It's because we, unlike the desktop team, actually got all this stuff upstream and so it needs to be supported. [09:39] I don't know who all uses it and if they've upgraded to the newer stack. [09:39] heh. [09:40] More generally, unlike almost anything Canonical touches. [09:49] ScottK: ?! ?! ?! [09:49] Anyway: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/news/pyqt-410 this is so brief and to the point that it doesn't tell me much =) [10:03] There's an open bug about packaging PyQt for Qt5. === bzyx_ is now known as bzyx [11:21] mgraesslin: sorry you had troubles installing kubuntu on a pandaboard [11:21] you were nearly there with the install, it installs to a USB drive and boots off that, no needs to have a second sd card [11:22] not it doesn't :-) [11:22] I tried that one indirectly, had the sd card in USB stick mode [11:22] and it didn't boot from that [11:23] I'd blame the sd card reader for that then since booting off USB stick is how I test it all the time [11:24] maybe I have a different model [11:25] anyway I liked the "dd to card" variant better than having to install ;-) [11:25] yeah that was simpler, can't remember why that changed, speed of running it from usb maybe? [11:26] total sympathy with confusion between HDMI and DVI, I spent days mucking around with that (DVI monitor but depending on driver version worked from one port or the other but usually neither) [11:26] oh with Ubuntu it worked fine all the time [11:27] it was just Linaro having problems with that [11:27] I was extremely surprised when I booted the system yesterday and I heard the KDE start sound [11:27] and I had not connected audio :-) [11:29] ... how does that work? [11:29] hdmi [11:29] ah hah [11:32] what surprised me a little bit was that by default kwin is used instead of kwin_gles [11:32] not that it matters given that KWin GLES does not work on the pandaboard... [11:38] mgraesslin: hmm, I'm sure that wasn't the case at one point but yes the seeds do have only the normal kwin [11:38] active has kwin active gles [11:38] but that should be fixed for arm [11:38] maybe it's the gles kwin, I didn't look at the compile flags [11:39] if it's compiled without OpenGL, but with GLES, it results in the same as kwin_gles [11:39] I only noticed that kde-window-decorator got installed instead of kde-window-decorator-gles [11:39] but maybe the installation would do it properly, I finally installed kubuntu-desktop [11:50] Hiyas all [12:00] Good afternoon [12:34] Morning [12:35] hi Darkwing [12:35] Hows life in KubuLand [12:35] ? [12:36] super dooper, if with a long todo list [12:38] Riddell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYTOavWs6Aw this might interest you guys. [12:39] so they started selling nexus 7 in India too. [12:39] shadeslayer, ^ [12:44] davmor2: wathcing at 25:30 seconds [12:45] "this is very familiar, I like it" [12:46] excellent excellent [12:46] Riddell: I thought you might like it [12:46] doesn't have many wallpapers, that's a common issue we get [12:47] Aye, we should do something about that. [12:47] Riddell: they do some nice videos that are very task orientated [12:47] I stumbled across it one day [12:47] Some of the worst camera play but, what they do is amazing. [12:48] Nice video Darkwing :) I'm just 6 min in, but it is great already! [12:48] LOL What's the point of that? (Bouncy Ball) [12:49] lordievader: Kubuntu at 25:30 [12:50] "this one is a good one" [12:50] that should be our new slogan [12:50] :D [12:51] It's a brilliant idea [12:52] "It's logical and they don't give things strange names" [13:04] Riddell: I think this sums up who I want to move to an online system for writing docs... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2013-March/017141.html [13:04] s/who.why. [13:04] s/who/why/ [13:04] Darkwing meant: "s/why.why." [13:04] *sigh* [13:05] Actually, it tags the frustration of new people trying to get involved with anything. [13:07] We point to teams and some quasi jumbled documentation on it but, it really highlight the frustrations. [13:09] Darkwing: yep, it's quite a barrier to people getting into the docs [13:10] so, I said something about Konqueror crashing and me trying to get debug information... [13:10] it hasn't crashed since [13:10] Tm_T: But, you are ready in case it does. [13:12] yeah [13:13] I'm rather happy now seeing Konqueror really working as it used to do with me [13:16] Tm_T: as a browser or file manager or both ? [13:18] But of course they don't. *sigh* [13:20] * Darkwing slowly strangles the servers that the wiki sits on. [13:21] BluesKaj: web browser, I rarely use GUI file browsers [13:27] Riddell: Remember how a couple of UDS' ago in Florida, it was mentioned that we wish we had an index of all of the Kubuntu wiki pages? http://paste.kde.org/709448/ [13:38] Darkwing: no reasonable way to get more wallpapers with current image size [13:39] Darkwing: and doesn't moinmoin have a search command for that wiki list? [13:39] Darkwing: whee, probably a few in there we could delete :) === emma_ is now known as emma [14:35] yofel: That is from that... add ?action=titleindex at the end. [14:35] heh [14:35] It give ALL the wiki pages... I just C&P the Kubuntu ones. [14:36] *if* the server had PyXML then I could use ?action=format&mimetype=xml/docbook to generate docbook from it. [15:02] ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/boost1.53/ has no dep-wait any more. only one kde failure and I'm not sure why... seems like it fails in moc?! === fenris is now known as Guest97540 [15:18] ../../../src/part/DotGraphParsingHelper.cpp:29:33: fatal error: boost/spirit/core.hpp: No such file or directory [15:18] xnox: looks like an API change? [15:18] Riddell: which package is that for? [15:19] could be anything. I whink I found a bug in qt4's moc. [15:19] https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-22829 [15:19] aka [15:19] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=756395 [15:19] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 756395 in qt "[Boost-1.48.0] Qt and [Parse error at "BOOST_JOIN"] error" [High,Closed: rawhide] [15:19] aka bug 1119656 [15:19] bug 1119656 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "plot-qt demo fails to build with Boost 1.53" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1119656 [15:19] I'm testing a patch & rebuilding 6 packages which failed with BOOST_JOIN. [15:19] xnox: that's in kgraphviewer [15:20] Riddell: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_53_0/libs/spirit/classic/change_log.html [15:21] renamed. [15:22] xnox: ah that sounds easily patchable then === jesssie__ is now known as jessie === jessie is now known as Guest37894 === Guest37894 is now known as jessie_ === jono is now known as Guest461 [16:01] xnox: ok with a ubiquity upload? I want to test the fix for the kubuntu oem slideshow [16:01] Riddell: yeah, go ahead =) [16:01] ::qt-bugs:: [1119656] plot-qt demo fails to build with Boost 1.53 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1119656 (by Garth Wells) === jessie_ is now known as jessie [16:32] hello world :D [16:32] this bug is the cause that forces me at work to use thunderbird: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317387 [16:32] KDE bug 317387 in general "On reply, if the Name of an identity contains something in parentheses the content in parentheses does not apear in the from field." [Normal,Unconfirmed] [16:37] that coule be annoying yes [16:37] ovidiu-florin: if they come up with a patch you might want to try and get it in the packages [16:38] Riddell: I would [16:38] If I could afford it I think I would pay someone to do it [16:39] I mean to make a patch [16:40] this is one of the reasons that might force me off linux at work [16:40] I hope this won't happen [17:07] ovidiu-florin: you posted about a romanian website? [17:08] yes [17:08] Riddell: ^ [17:09] ovidiu-florin: so I think we'd be all for it [17:09] it's a question of how [17:09] how what? [17:10] how to put up a website [17:10] it's currently a drupal website [17:10] on a canonical server [17:10] I think if we just translate the enclish one would be enough [17:10] ovidiu-florin: but there's technical details of where to host and how to keep it up to date [17:11] the easiest way would be just to give you details to access the current web server and you can make pages under /ro/ URLs [17:11] I could host it on my serverbut I can't guarantee that it will be 100% available [17:12] maybe with automatic IP detection based on location and redirect to the ro site? [17:12] meybe durpal has a module for that [17:13] s/meybe/maybe [17:14] my server is located at my home [17:14] it's an 8 year old laptop [17:15] http://ovidiub13.dyndns.org [17:19] ovidiu-florin: how about you set it up on your server so we know it all works, we buy the domain name and ask canonical to host it when it's all ready? [17:35] Riddell: Hi Jonathan. [17:35] Riddell: I just read your email regarding to localized websites. what can we do for it? [17:36] volkan: you're the guy who wants to do a turkish one? [17:37] Riddell: yes. [17:38] Riddell: but of course my wish was not only for turkish. === mck182 is now known as mck182|afk [17:52] volkan: so one way to do it would be set up a server and install drupal and get it all going [17:52] then get a domain name and a more permanant server once it's ready [17:52] another way that might work is just giving access details to the current website so you can make pages under /tr/foo [17:54] Riddell: hmm. what about the images on the website? e.g. in features page the images contain English text. Do you keep the project files for these images? [17:56] volkan: no they'd need to be set up again, but the screenshots on the features page are really out of date and need redone anyway [17:57] Riddell: so than for this moment, copying all the structure of main site into a subfolder and translating, right? [17:57] *then [17:58] and on the mail you already told me this site was using drupal. maybe there is an extension (or module, plugin etc) to enable multi-languages on pages? actually I havent used drupal [18:04] volkan: yeah there's no subfolders in drupal, it's just a database [18:05] There probably is various modules for translations but I've never looked into it I'm afraid [18:05] ovidiu-florin here is also interested in doing one [18:05] for romanian [18:06] ovidiu-florin: ever set up drupal? [18:07] Riddell: yes it will be good. otherwise we can check and test it on our local laptops. can we just download the whole structure? [18:08] Riddell: I've used drupal for a while [18:08] if you can dump the database and send, we can start [18:08] Riddell: I could say I have some experience with it [18:10] volkan: I don't think a DB dump is enough [18:10] we also need to know what modules they have installed [18:11] oh gosh I've no idea what modules it uses [18:11] it's hosted by canonical [18:11] the theme is lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org [18:11] go to modules and print the page as PDF [18:12] Riddell: question: if canonical no longer supports kubuntu why is the website hosted there? [18:13] ovidiu-florin: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/ModulesKubuntu.pdf [18:14] ovidiu-florin: canonical still provides the hosting and many other things for kubuntu, it's all part of the bigger ubuntu project [18:15] Riddell: where can the theme be downlaoded from? [18:16] ovidiu-florin: bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org [18:17] stupid question: is that a command/link? sorry I don't know [18:19] ovidiu-florin: it's a command [18:19] link is https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org [18:22] cd .. [18:22] sorry [18:23] :) [18:24] drupal 7.21 is ok? [18:25] the site runs on 6.25 [18:25] ok, I'll get 6.28 [18:26] yofel__: how do you know that? [18:26] http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/site.png [18:26] Home › Administer › Reports › Status report [18:28] clever [18:28] Riddell: btw i have written a long mail before. i hope you could check it out sometime. it is related to kubuntu documentation and some other non-translatabel applications. [18:28] volkan: yep still going through my e-mail [18:30] ovidiu-florin: are those modules comes by default? [18:30] volkan: I'l answer that once I'll install a drupal [18:30] in a moment [18:31] I have to move things around a bit [18:31] ovidiu-florin: ok cool :) [18:39] ovidiu-florin: and for the videos, you are the volunteer for romaian sub or dub, right? [18:40] Riddell: did you find time to read the mail regarding to ubiquity slidevideos? [18:40] volkan: yes [18:41] ovidiu-florin: do you want to volunteer for recording some videos? [18:41] I don't have the time to also do the recordings [18:42] my plan was only recording and using subtitles, since me (and probably some other volunteers ) are not native and it may be annoying and seem not professional [18:43] volkan: as you noticed, we do need poked hard to ensure these things are working [18:43] volkan: please do keep poking us [18:44] volkan: the slideshow translations I've not thought about before, I know it's possible, I'll look into how they're done [18:44] volkan: the docs translations need to be manually integrated each release so you do need to poke us into doing that [18:45] hmm and userconfig, good question [18:45] that reminds me, I have to file a few bug reports [18:45] but I'll come back to that [18:46] Riddell: ok, whom should I ask for integration of documents? [18:46] Riddell: also the outdated links in Kubuntu Wiki translation pages? [18:54] volkan: poke me or Darkwing but it'll be done near to release time [18:55] I suppose it might be useful to do an interim docs with translations soon though so we remember how to do it [18:55] volkan: which translation pag? [18:55] page? [18:56] Riddell: ok before april mid. then right? [18:56] i will poke you [18:56] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Translations [18:57] Riddell: and it seems since precise it does not get these specific strings from Launchpad since it seems they are still english :/. [18:57] if you want I can make a list of strings that are not translated and post somewhere [19:04] hmm who removed my skype :M [19:07] volkan: yeah that would be good [19:07] volkan: thanks so much for looking into this, it's too easy for us to skip over [19:11] Riddell: no problem. drawback of using Kubuntu in English :) [19:23] Riddell: I created a google doc file. i will inform you again in mid-april [19:23] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uvl6um0fwFVOKzC3bM9jvEwZbqK33gleV2yRi_dbpMU/edit?usp=sharing [19:23] ovidiu-florin: have you noticed those problems in Romanian localization? [19:23] thanks volkan, I'll try and reply to your e-mails tomorrow [19:28] volkan: sorry I missed a few... what problems? [19:28] Riddell: no problem. Also is there any other touchpad utility since synaptiks is not developed anymore (as i remember from their website) and crashes all the time for me [19:29] ovidiu-florin: the translation problems that I ve listed here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uvl6um0fwFVOKzC3bM9jvEwZbqK33gleV2yRi_dbpMU/edit?usp=sharing [19:32] I'm also a member of LibreOffice Romanian team [19:32] LO is still under translation [19:33] LO 4 has updated translations [19:33] what version is default with kubuntu? [19:33] I forgot [19:34] I know who is envolved in KDE Ro translation and I've asked for membership and access, but I haven't reveived it yet [19:34] volkan: ^ [19:35] Riddell: I've updated my server now it can be accessed by the url: http://geekaliens.com [19:35] ovidiu-florin: Sürüm4.0.1.2 (İnşa No: 400m0(Build:2)) [19:35] Riddell: the kubuntu.ro website is available at http://geekaliens.com/kubuntu.ro [19:35] ops sory [19:36] ovidiu-florin: Version 4.0.1.2 (Build: 400m0(Build:2)) [19:36] volkan: on which Kubuntu release? [19:36] ovidiu-florin: 13.04 beta1, but it was the same with 12.10 (i jst upgraded) [19:45] volkan: As soon as the doc freeze hits, I'll upload the pot files for translations [19:48] Riddell: I've installed the kubuntu theme. Could I also get a DB dump to use ? [19:53] Darkwing: thanks for answering. for docbook, is it required that all linking documents need to be translated [19:53] i mean in development part, there are 26 string missing and I am afraid if i can finish till mid*april [20:02] ovidiu-florin: ah, DB dump is harder, I don't have access to that, it would need to come from the canonical sysadmins, who are notoriously slow at doing anything [20:11] ovidiu-florin: will you be able to try a plugin for multilanguage support? [20:17] volkan: I'll have to check. Can you shoot me an email david.wonderly@kubuntu.org to remind me? [20:27] volkan: I've allready tried that in drupal and it failed [20:27] but I've tried that about one year ago [20:27] so, I don't know the current state [20:30] ovidiu-florin: ok then. maybe I could try it too. should we use the same version of drupal? [20:31] Darkwing: ok. i am sending it now [20:31] I've went for drupal 6 for better compatibility with kubuntu.org [20:35] ovidiu-florin: what about the plugins? will you try it after database dump? [20:35] I can't get the DB dump [20:35] can u also post it under Kubuntu Localization mails that you sent last if you find something new [20:36] volkan: I'm not sure I understand what you mean [20:44] ovidiu-florin: can you send an e-mail regarding to database dump if you get it under last mail for Localization in kubuntu-devel (that I wrote at the beginning) [20:45] ah, yes, of course [20:45] so that maybe then I can also get it and start translating. then they can decide integrating under kubuntu.org [20:56] Riddell: whom do I have to contact to get the DB dump? [20:58] Riddell volkan if we can't get the db dump I recommend we make a template for the LoCo websites that won't include everithing on the main website, but it will include instructions on how to use/get kubuntu [21:00] ovidiu-florin: I hope we will. if not yes, we can use the html files under kubuntu-theme to translate and some texts on loco websites. but having them supported by kubuntu is more effective i think [21:18] ovidiu-florin Riddell i wonder if there is a way to backup database under drupal [21:19] maybe in this case it is very easy [21:19] volkan: there should be a module for that [21:22] ovidiu-florin: probably this one: http://drupal.org/project/backup_migrate [21:23] could be === mck182|afk is now known as mck182 === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === dantti_laptop|2 is now known as dantti_laptop [22:40] apt-cache search cpufreq [22:40] dang :-) === emma is now known as em [22:54] ovidiu-florin: that'll be canonical sysadmin e-mailing rt@ubuntu.com [22:55] Riddell: rt? [22:58] ovidiu-florin: rt is some sort of issue tracker database, for some reason they don't just use launchpad bugs [22:58] Riddell: rt@ubuntu.com? do I need to subscribe to that mail list? [22:58] ovidiu-florin: no just send, ask in #canonical-sysadmin for more details [22:58] ok [22:58] thank you === OutOfControl is now known as benonsoftware [23:00] ovidiu-florin: you should get a reply back with a number, give it to me and I'll add that the request is legic [23:00] legit [23:03] Riddell: should I write a formal email explaining what I need? [23:05] ovidiu-florin: yes [23:06] can I mentoin that I got the email address from you? [23:07] mention* [23:07] ovidiu-florin: mention that I told you to file the request [23:07] ok [23:09] Riddell: doesn't anybody have permissions to install modules on the site? [23:10] an module that can export a backup could do all this. [23:13] Riddell: LaMont Jones told me on #canonical-sysadmins: it would be best to have it go thru RT if for nothing more than tracking.. [23:13] I'm not sure what this means [23:14] ovidiu-florin: it means you should e-mail that request so they have a log of it [23:14] only the canonical sysadmins have permissions to install anything on it [23:15] this is quite frustrating I know [23:16] * Riddell sleeps [23:17] Riddell: is this ok? https://notes.kde.org/p/uiK48PpB7R [23:22] request sent [23:55] ovidiu-florin: good luck! hope we get a reply [23:56] I've got the the track ID... and now.. I'm jsut waiting [23:58] ovidiu-florin: did you forward this id to Jonathan, too? [23:58] yes