[00:18] <lars_> hi all
[00:25] <SuperLag> http://pastie.org/7118426
[00:25] <SuperLag> is that something that will likely get fixed with another apt-get update, or is my install hosed now?
[01:09] <ryan_46> Hi. I just downloaded 13.04 and when I ran the burned DVD and selected try ubuntu it loaded fine but the entire screen was upside down. Mouse arrow pointed down instead of uo. Any reports of this and what if anything can I do? Ran DVD twice with same result.
[01:10] <bjsnider> maybe ctrl+alt+up
[01:11] <ryan_46> Up arrow?
[01:15] <ryan_46> cont+alt+up arrow only shows or unshows desktop in my 12.04.. The Desktop was exactly upside down. The top bar was on the bottom and the side bar on the right.
[01:36] <bjsnider> you can use xrandr to change the orientation
[01:36] <bjsnider> the commands are available on the web
[01:37] <ryan_46> Thanks bisnider. I will look into that.
[01:41] <ryan_46> bjsnider: sorry spelled your name wrong.
[01:52] <valorie> SuperLag: did you try apt-get -f install ?
[01:52] <valorie> your paste doesn't show that you did
[01:54] <SuperLag> valorie: yes, and that didn't fix anything
[01:55] <SuperLag> it wouldn't even progress forward
[01:57] <SuperLag> valorie: ugh. I'm a bonehead.
[01:57] <valorie> in that case, it would probably be a good idea to report that to the testing team
[01:57] <SuperLag> valorie: I didn't get that the 'apt-get -f install' was with no arguments
[01:57] <valorie> heh
[01:58] <SuperLag> valorie: did that, had to delete some duplicate references to the package in /usr/share/doc, and it went just fine
[01:58] <valorie> it seekretly means (to me) "just effing fix it"
[02:02] <bjsnider> i think the -f switch means fix
[02:02] <valorie> sure
[02:03] <valorie> :-)
[02:46] <ideasman_42> Hi, is there some document that gives rules for how license files should be included in a package upstream?
[02:47] <ideasman_42> I maintain a project and I need to include license files but I cant find some rules explaining how to do this
[02:47] <bjsnider> ideasman_42, you mean from a debian packaging standpoint?
[02:47] <ideasman_42> well this is for what we have in git/svn
[02:48] <ideasman_42> but Id like to follow debian/ubuntu guidelines
[02:48] <ryan_46> I am happy to report that it ran fine in a Virtualbox and also ran fine on another laptop.
[02:48] <ideasman_42> I can fine random docs on related topics..
[02:48] <ideasman_42> but not on details - so our project is GPLv2+
[02:48] <ideasman_42> but we have some BSD licensed code used in a subdir
[02:48] <bjsnider> ideasman_42, do you have a file in root called LICENSE?
[02:48] <ideasman_42> so how to express this?
[02:49] <ideasman_42> bjsnider, no, we have many license files :S
[02:49] <ideasman_42> example: ./extern/libmv/third_party/fast/LICENSE ./extern/carve/LICENSE.GPL2 ./scons/scons-LICENSE
[02:49] <bjsnider> ok, i think i know what you're asking
[02:50] <ideasman_42> someone complained we dont include all licenses,,, which may be so
[02:50] <ideasman_42> but Id like some kind of doc so we can conform to it
[02:50] <ideasman_42> rather then each dev do whatever they thing
[02:50] <ideasman_42> think*
[02:51] <bjsnider> ideasman_42, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#copyright
[02:51] <bjsnider> the debian package can include license info on each file included in the source code if necessary and the syntax and whatnot are explained there
[02:51] <ideasman_42> bjsnider, is this the syntax
[02:51] <ideasman_42> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
[02:52] <bjsnider> yes
[02:53] <ideasman_42> bjsnider, so this means if we copy some file owned by some other project - say glib for eg, we can inclide this here?
[02:53] <bjsnider> furthermore, you can include the actual licenses themselves in the debian/docs file, just put the location of those files in the source code in that file and they will be installed on the user's machine
[02:53] <ideasman_42> Files: some/ode/func.c, Copyright: original author
[02:54] <bjsnider> yeah exactly
[02:54] <ideasman_42> cool thx
[02:54] <bjsnider> some of the copyright files can be very long
[02:54] <ideasman_42> Ill mail our list- probably we'll dp this
[02:54] <ideasman_42> yeah. we'll incldue licenses too
[02:54] <ideasman_42> (we already do)
[02:55] <bjsnider> the latest copyright file format is machine-readable and is checked during the building phase so if it's wrong it will error out
[02:55] <ideasman_42> good to know :)
[02:56] <bjsnider> incidentally on some projects, and it sounds like yours is one, most of the packaging work is getting the details of the copyright file done correctly
[08:12] <elky> is anyone else having the compiz overlay task switcher thingie spontaneously appearing when using their touchpad?
[08:26] <alankila> elky: yes.
[08:26] <alankila> it accidentally reads 2-finger gesture as 3-finger gesture
[08:27] <elky> elantech touchpad?
[08:27] <alankila> apple touchpad on macbook
[08:27] <alankila> my conclusion is that the touch stack has been incorrectly designed. It appears to perform a context-free analysis of the nature of the gesture rather than classifying it from beginning of touch and then keeping the classification until touch's end
[08:28] <alankila> so something that starts as 2-finger scroll can randomly turn into 3 finger gesture because due to noise it analyses an extra fingertip. This made my attempts of reading web pages impossible because every now and then the task switcher would make the browser vanish while I was using it
[08:29] <elky> yeah, i'm having that occasionally too
[08:29] <alankila> it happened for a few days and I installed gnome 3 because it is not possible to disable the 3-finger gestures entirely.
[08:29] <alankila> gnome only supports up to 2 finger scroll, so it doesn't suffer from this problem.
[08:31] <alankila> overall the only solution to getting touchpad good is to do the analysis and wait a while when more than one fingertip is present to make sure that if user intended to hit the touchpad with all 4 fingers say there is no preceding gesture of 2 or 3 tips. After that, the gesture must be classified as 4-finger gesture even if user only held a single fingertip on the touchpad.
[08:31] <alankila> so that the gesture doesn't randomly mutate into actions user did not intend.
[08:33] <alankila> apple's software does it like this and it works every time. It is really amazing how well it works, it never seems to misclassify gestures, so I took some time studying the apparent behavior of OS X. In particular they do the classification at the beginning of touch and keep it as long as any fingers at all are present on the touchpad, so that prevents the 2/3 fingers random flakiness. It is an innovation worth adopting
[08:34] <alankila> but I also think that in general it is too difficult to reliably detect the number of tips hitting the touchpad so there's going to have to be some kind of delay or extended sampling period which must make an improved guess for the number of tips
[08:36] <alankila> at least on unity it was pretty hard to get 4 tips detected reliably, so I pretty much gave up trying to use them at all.
[08:38] <alankila> it seems that 1-tip gesture is allowed to transform to 2-tip gesture if the 1 tip is not moving. Still, stuff like that is just details.
[08:39] <alankila> on linux, though, 1-tip gesture transforms to 2-tip gesture regardless of movement. I think a lot of work has gone on OS X side on trying to get thesse gestures to be resilient
[08:45] <alankila> in any case if canonical can't make the 2/3 finger flakiness fixed, there should be no gestures > 2 tips in unity at all. The current state is so broken that the desktop is going to be very frustrating for touchpad users.
[09:16] <scotty^> !raring
[09:19] <scotty^> Are there still plans to pull mesa 9.1 or 9.1.1 into Raring?
[09:20] <ikonia> if it's not in now....I'd doubt it
[09:21] <scotty^> hmm
[09:22] <scotty^> So no graphics support (apart from KMS) for Intel "Haswell" CPUs?
[09:24] <ikonia> no idea.
[09:25] <scotty^> That will be a shame.
[09:26] <scotty^> Is it OK to say I am dissapointed?
[09:29] <alankila> Life is imperfect. Especially open source life. No doubt the driver related work will make it into 13.04 in some form, perhaps it is added to 13.04.1
[09:30] <jpds> alankila: There won't be a 13.04.1.
[09:30] <alankila> Oh. Well, shows how much I know. I mostly use LTS's.
[09:31] <alankila> though ... I was under the impression that all these things got updates over time?
[09:32] <yofel> sure, but not major new software versions as updates
[09:33] <k1l> alankila: .1 releases are only for LTS
[09:34] <k1l> alankila: beginning with 13.04 the not-LTS releases will only have 9 month of support. so you upgrade to the next version instead of having the LTS-style point releases
[09:36] <alankila> yeah, well, 6 months is in any case quite long time to wait for something that you'd call a driver, I guess.
[09:36] <alankila> but perhaps intel will provide usable packages for 13.04, they seem to have taken a more active role lately again
[09:40] <scotty^> It also means that  we will be completely out of luck for the just released AMD "Richland" A-series APU's.
[09:40] <alankila> there's a lot to recommend about the "rolling release" model, at least in that it's possible to get drivers now rather than at point of next release.
[09:42] <alankila> still, I envy windows for the ease of getting new stuff going on it.
[09:43] <scotty^> Yeah, we might no even have KMS for Richland unless the kernel team takes the unlikely step of backporting the patches from 3.9-rc4.
[09:44] <scotty^> Although at least there you can use AMD's Catalyst driver, similar to on Windows.
[09:44] <scotty^> There is no such alternative for Intel.
[09:45] <elky> Also, why on earth am I being asked if i want to "install" websites?
[09:46] <elky> With no "click this to find out what the heck this means" button or anything
[09:46] <alankila> "Copy a link to some launcher" might be more appropriate phrasing.
[09:54] <elky> oh gods, is that why i have the launchpad icon appear whenever i go to launchpad?
[09:54] <elky> can i get rid of that? and can i stop it from asking me?
[09:57] <k1l> elky: shut down the webapps in privacy settings in systemsettings
[09:58] <elky> i don't see this option...
[09:59] <k1l> ahh sorry. it was in unity-tweak-tool
[09:59] <elky> You kid me.
[10:00] <elky> I have to install that to get rid of this?
[10:01] <k1l> im sure there is a setting anywhere in the configs. but that is the easiest way, imho
[10:05] <elky> I hope there is, because we'll be needing to tell people how to stop this every 90 seconds on release day.
[10:09] <elky> Aha, it's a completely separate firefox addon.
[10:10] <elky> or 2?
[10:13] <elky> There's "Unity Desktop Integration" which "provides unity integration features to sites in firefox" and "Unity Website integration" which has no description at all.
[10:24] <k1l> i thought the tweak settings were just linked to d/gconf settings. so there could be a command for that.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:17] <varikonniemi> does uck work with raring?
[16:37] <Noize> !help
[16:37] <Noize> Where can I report a bug?
[16:38] <philinux> Noize: you need a launchpad account
[16:38] <Noize> got one
[16:38] <Noize> just submit under where though
[16:39] <philinux> Noize: easiest way is from the terminal. ubuntu-bug packaagename
[16:39] <philinux> for instance ubuntu-bug nautilus
[16:39] <Noize> not sure of the packagename though, basically when I close my laptop lid and open it the screen turns all the way dimmed, until I hit undim
[16:39] <philinux> Noize: this way it collects all relevant data
[16:40] <philinux> Noize: that the kernel. so it would be ubuntu-bug linux
[16:40] <Noize> ok
[16:40] <philinux> sorted
[16:47] <varikonniemi> ok
[16:47] <varikonniemi> uck does not work with raring
[16:47] <varikonniemi> nor does it work with LTS
[16:47] <varikonniemi> so i assume it is just legacy thats not maintained
[17:33] <dveim> hello
[17:33] <dveim> i have interesting bug with volume slider
[17:33] <dveim> when i move it, volume does not changes
[17:40] <bjsnider> that's nice to know. maybe someone will report a bug about that sometime
[18:15] <dingdongface> how can i change what action is taken when i insert a disc in raring
[18:15] <dingdongface> raring ringtail i mean.
[18:41] <bcbc2> Anyone with an intel card whose brightness controls have stopped working, please +1 on bug 1105604 as it's been broken since January. Thanks
[18:51] <AndChat|618624> Hi I am trying to install a package on 13.04 but apt doesn't see it, it is in the ppa but doesn't have a version listed for 13.04
[18:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Then you can pretty much forget it if it doesn't have a raring header on it
[18:52] <SonikkuAmerica> (Hate to sound blunt)
[18:53] <AndChat|618624> So no way of making it use the 12.10 .deb?
[18:53] <Pici> You could ask the owner of the PPA to put together a raring package
[18:55] <jtaylor> you can add the quantal ppa to the sources.list
[18:55] <jtaylor> this will work fine in many cases
[18:55] <jtaylor> depends on the package
[18:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Many, but I don't necessarily recommend it
[18:56] <bazhang> it's a hit and miss
[18:57] <bazhang> what package AndChat|618624
[18:57] <AndChat|618624> Ubuntu-zfs
[18:58] <bazhang> yeah I'd wait on that one
[18:58] <AndChat|618624> OK thanks all, for the info, guess I will have to wait
[21:23] <MoPac> Hello -- I'm having some vexing trouble with a Desktop Wall setting in CCSM, and I'm wondering if there's someone here who's proficient in Compiz who might help me diagnose it
[21:23] <MoPac> It's causing the failure of edge flip
[21:52] <MoPac> Also, my mouse sensitivity/accel settings have become amnesic with the last week or so's Raring updates
[22:25] <opti> i've been trying to install 13.04 dailies for a couple of weeks, the installer locks up when you click continue on the second screen (where you choose download packages etc)
[22:26] <opti> anyone know a workaround?
[22:34] <MoPac> opti: Could you be more specific about what the error looks like?
[22:52] <opti> it doesnt look like anything, i think the partitioner just locks up
[22:52] <opti> it just greys out the continue button and you get an endless 'busy' mouse pointer
[22:53] <opti> no errors in the syslog
[22:55] <opti> i've got a theory i'll test later, i'm guessing if i unplug all the hard disks except the one i want to install on, i bet it works then :p
[23:18] <graingert> Firefox seems to be complaining that I have an outdated flash. Currently I'm running 11.2.202.275 the latest available for download