[00:29] <infinity> NekoXP: Is there any hope of ever getting an Efika kernel newer than 2.6.31?
[00:29] <infinity> NekoXP: Don't care about fancy video or anything, just something people can use to turn their old Efikas into build hosts, etc.
[00:30] <infinity> NekoXP: (Your github project seems to be stuck on 2.6.31 still, no idea if there's something elsewhere, or if maybe one can successfully build and boot an upstream kernel at this point?)
[10:25] <drasko> Debootstraped Ubuntu Precise hangs on boot after : Freeing init memory: 304K
[10:26] <drasko> on Pandaboard
[10:26] <drasko> any ideas ?
[10:49] <ogra_> did you set up a serial console ? (see the serila howto on the ubuntu wiki)
[11:02] <hrw> infinity: ask on #efika?
[11:03] <infinity> hrw: NekoXP seemed like the right person to ask. :P
[11:03] <infinity> hrw: I also don't care *that* deeply.
[11:10] <hrw> infinity: ;)
[11:11] <hrw> infinity: I would be surprised if mainline booted and worked but no screen on smartbook
[11:11] <infinity> hrw: I heard from elsewhere that they may still be missing some USB drivers or something.
[11:12] <infinity> hrw: But that may not affect barebones usage.  Could make installation rough, given the lack of serial.
[11:12] <hrw> lack of user accessible serial
[11:13] <infinity> Yes, that.
[11:13] <hrw> I have 2.6.38 running long time ago
[11:13] <infinity> hrw: ScottK would be very interested in that if it also works on smarttops.
[11:14] <infinity> hrw: He was complaining about Genesi being stuck on 2.6.31, since glibc in raring requires 2.6.32. :P
[11:14] <hrw> infinity: never played with smarttop
[11:14] <hrw> and I gave my smartbook to friend
[11:14] <infinity> I have a top, but not a book, I could play at some point.
[11:15] <infinity> If you still have your tree.
[11:16] <hrw> doubt it but will check
[11:17]  * infinity finishes up some kernel SRU bits and decides that 5am is a lovely time to go to bed, and go backon VAC.
[11:17] <infinity> s/backon/back on/
[11:17] <hrw> infinity: sweet dreams then
[11:25] <hrw> nope - dropped tree
[12:39] <swex> hello everyone
[12:40] <swex> Can somebody help me with mounting ubuntu12.04 arm img to my nfs storage
[12:40] <swex> is that possible?
[12:40] <swex> I'm using freescale imx53 start board and wan't to boot from nfs.
[12:50] <XorA> swex: you just need the rootfs as a directory then export it with nfs, then any guide on linux booting will work, I think you should use the server image for this though so you get some feedback by seriel
[12:51] <XorA> swex: just dont forget the no_root_squash in your exports file
[12:51] <swex> XorA: I understand that
[12:52] <swex> XorA: main problem is file permissions of that directory
[12:53] <XorA> is your host also ubuntu?
[12:54] <swex> yep
[12:56] <XorA> swex: then I think most of the perms should line up
[12:56] <XorA> swex: wont even need the nfs4 username mapping except for home directories
[12:58]  * ogra_ suspects that might break in intresting ways :)
[12:58] <ogra_> 12.04 images are preinstalled, they try to expand to the full size of the media they boot from
[12:58] <ogra_> (on first boot that is)
[12:59] <ogra_> so there will be a lot more involved than just dumping the content to an nfs export
[12:59] <XorA> ogra_: even the server images?
[12:59] <ogra_> yes, all images
[13:00] <XorA> ogra_: ah I thought server images didn't have that, my bad
[13:00] <ogra_> we switched to "normal" installs in 12.10
[13:00] <ogra_> i would suggest taking the ubuntu-core tarball and configure that properly instead ...
[13:01] <XorA> ogra_: you could have made your life easier if ubuntu supported LVM back in the day :-D
[13:01] <ogra_> with 12.10 it does
[13:01] <XorA> ogra_: kindof
[13:01] <ogra_> but you also need to run through the installer
[13:01] <hrw> XorA: <12.10 had lvm in alternative installer
[13:01] <ogra_> right, you could use netboot/netinstall
[13:02] <hrw> that's how I installed on lumpek (my x86-64 laptop)
[13:02] <ogra_> tha gives you a normal debian-installer session and offers all possible setups
[13:02] <XorA> hrw: just makes the task of expanding rootfs much simpler, add new partition, add it to volume group, make rootfs bigger live
[13:03] <hrw> XorA: I got rid of lvm from my desktop few years ago
[13:03] <XorA> 12.10 graphical installer explodes really badly using LVM
[13:04] <ogra_> did you tell xnox ?
[13:04] <XorA> (on x86/64)
[13:04] <ogra_> afaik he did some LVM installs on panda
[13:04] <XorA> ogra_: I havent had time to repeat on a VM
[13:04] <XorA> ogra_: although I think its a corner case as I saw it on my laptop but not my desktop
[13:05] <ogra_> ah
[13:05] <ogra_> bad corner laptops !
[13:06] <XorA> I needed laptop working for connect so just switched to netinstaller and that worked
[13:06] <ogra_> yeah, netinst always works
[13:06] <xnox> =(((( lvm2 works fine on the desktop images, but good reminder for me to add automatic tests for it in the jenkins labs.
[16:37] <doomlord> does ubuntu-arm have a virtual mouse for touchscreens & legacy apps (i know its a hacky idea)
[16:53] <ogra_> doomlord, unity has some a11y options for such things using cursor keys iirc
[16:54] <doomlord> i'm tihnking more of the experience on a tablet, no cursor keys :)
[16:54] <doomlord> (eg trying to use desktop apps on a touchscreen)
[16:54] <ogra_> well, for that we have ubuntu-touch
[16:55] <doomlord> with touchscreen laptops appearing i would be equally or more interested in the reverse process.. touch-friendlifying the desktop
[16:55] <doomlord> but i get what ubuntu-touch is for
[16:56] <doomlord> things like the 3finger drag that ubuntu has are a big step in the right direction IMO
[16:57] <ogra_> well, ubuntu-touch will replace the desktop ... or rather the QML based unity touch will replace what you have today
[16:57] <ogra_> or as they call it "unity next"
[16:58] <doomlord> how far off do you think that is... i'm skeptical about touch UIs for serious work. they're great for casual use
[16:58] <ogra_> 14.04 is the target for the converged desktop
[16:59] <ogra_> by then the same desktop will run on all ubuntu installs
[16:59] <doomlord> so is ubuntu arm as we see it eg on n7 just a stopgap
[17:00] <doomlord> i hope we get touchscreens which can actually sense when a finger is near, so go back to having a precise cursor..
[17:00] <doomlord> preselection highlight
[17:01] <doomlord> i suppose a traditional gui might become like terminal is now, a developpers tool..
[17:01] <doomlord> but i really cant see serious programs like GIMP/blender or programmers IDE's all working in some smartphone/tablet style
[17:02] <ogra_> ubuntu arm on the n7 is what got you all the nice improvements on your x86 desktop in 13.04 :)
[17:03] <ogra_> cutting the memory footprint, getting it more performant etc
[17:03] <ogra_> thats work that was done with the 14.04 convergence in mind
[17:04] <ogra_> so your desktop core (all the non UI background processes) performs well
[17:04] <doomlord> i've got an n7 but am yet to try it
[17:05] <darkfaded> i had switched to fluxbox on my nexus7, but i still run 12.10 on it
[17:05] <darkfaded> maybe i should update
[17:05] <darkfaded> the ui/xserver don't play too nice, but it's the best home server i've ever had
[17:05] <doomlord> are there any detailed explanations on the web of this convergance plan (not the marketting videos)
[17:06] <doomlord> i'm kind of scared to hear anything about traditional ui being replaced like win8
[17:07] <doomlord> i hear its possible to dualboot android/ubuntu-arm
[17:15] <ogra_> doomlord, visually and functionally unity wont change much on the desktop
[17:15] <doomlord> ok fair enough
[17:15] <ogra_> you will still have the "classic" unity desktop as you have today on your PC
[17:15] <doomlord> it will be interesting to see what emerges
[17:16] <doomlord> i'm still interested to see how desktop apps could be reworked for both... just making selection fieleds squarer, it seems, combining button & indicators..
[18:00] <drasko> If I'd like to maintain my ARM rootfs via chroot on PC, do I have to mount proc, sys and dev via --bind before chroot?
[18:04] <ogra_> you will need to mount /proc for some packages to work, yes
[18:05] <ogra_> sys and dev arent fatal if they are missing
[18:09] <drasko> If I'd like to maintain my ARM rootfs via chroot on PC, do I have to mount proc, sys and dev via --bind before chroot?
[20:00] <siretart> hi. I would like to run an Ubuntu ARM server inside qemu on my amd64 laptop. I wonder if there was any way to get the ubuntu-installer from http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/raring/main/installer-armhf/current/images/ started in a similar way to the installer on i386
[20:00] <siretart> in my experiments, I always ended up with a black screen. is there some documentation what kernel parameters I need to pass, so that I get something on the serial console?
[22:53] <drasko_> hi all. What is approximative size of Ubuntu on ARM ?
[22:59] <drasko_> hi all. What is approximative size of Ubuntu on ARM ?