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darkxstpitti, is the retracer going to work with the gnome3 ppa crash reports?00:01
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TheMusoc01:03
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popeyhmm.. bug 116014502:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 1160145 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) " trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/gtk2-engines-pixbuf/AUTHORS', which is different from other instances of package gtk2-engines-pixbuf:amd64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116014502:21
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pittigood morning05:29
pittidarkxst: not the LP retracer; we'd need to set up a retracer for the GNOME PPAs, if they have ddebs05:30
darkxstpitti, I don't think they do currently. would this be something hard to setup?05:37
pittidarkxst: no, quite many PPAs do that already, I just don't know how; #canonical-sysadmins should know05:37
darkxstpitti, ddebs have been enabled now07:03
pittinice07:03
darkxstif you could get a retracer setup whenever you get a chance that would be awesome ;)07:04
pittiNB we don't usually run retracers for PPAs07:06
pittianyway, once you have some ddebs and get a first crash, I can look into this07:06
pittibut I need a crash or two to test07:06
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darkxstpitti, ok, shouldnt be any shortage of crashes, we already have a whole bunch. I guess the ddebs will appear as we update to 3.807:13
pittiright, you need new builds for those07:13
jibelgood morning08:03
pittibonjour jibel08:09
didrockssalut jibel08:11
mlankhorstbonjour08:11
jibelsalut pitti didrocks08:14
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seb128hey desktopers08:30
didrockssalut seb12808:31
seb128lut didrocks08:33
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pittiLaney: btw, pochu prepared glib 2.36 in svn, but didn't upload it yet; I was going to wait for him to ask why (just matter of time/sbuild, or whether he wanted to look into somethign particular)09:38
pittithis holds back the new gobject-introspection, but that's also already staged in svn09:39
pittipygobject is uplaoded to exp, I'll sync that09:39
pittiand I merged our Ubuntu changes of gvfs to debian exp, so the remaining diff is once again the libbluray-dev build dep09:39
seb128pitti, will you update glib/gvfs? I was about to look at those but I'm happy to let them to you09:40
seb128pitti, Laney is off for 2 weeks (holidays)09:41
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pittiseb128: ah, then yes09:41
pittiseb128: as I said, I'll sync up with pochu09:41
seb128pitti, danke09:41
xnoxpitti: is it known that systemd test-suite is sensitive? (it failed for me in sbuild on tmpfs on overlayfs, I think no fakeroot)09:43
xnoxpassed fine just on the host.09:43
pittixnox: I didn't see that failure, no09:43
xnoxpitti: not sure, if it's specific to my setup though.09:44
pittixnox: you mean on package build, I guess? (we have a patch to fix the test suite for ubunut)09:44
xnoxpitti: I am building the ubuntu package. and on package build test-suite did not pass inside sbuild, but did pass with straight debuild.09:44
pittiok, not known then09:44
* xnox has eatmydata as well.09:45
xnoxpitti: I will first eliminate culprit and then report back again.09:45
didrockshey pitti!09:59
didrockspitti: so seb128 and I discussed about https://bugs.launchpad.net/cupstream2distro/+bug/115877509:59
ubot2Launchpad bug 1158775 in cupstream2distro "the ppa builds don't have their translation template (.pot) sent back to launchpad, leading to outdated Ubuntu strings lists" [Undecided,New]09:59
pittisalut didrocks !09:59
didrockspitti: due to building in an extra ppa, we don't have pkgbinarymangler ran, right?09:59
didrocksand so not stripping of the translations?09:59
didrocks(nor templates being sent)09:59
didrockspitti: do you have any idea on how we can fix that?10:00
pittididrocks: we can certainly enable pkgbinarymangler on these PPAs?10:01
pittididrocks: don't they run on the distro builders anyway?10:01
didrockspitti: yes, they do10:02
didrockspitti: is it a flag on the ppa, you think?10:02
pittididrocks: infinity would know the details, but I think it's pretty much a flag, yes10:02
didrockshum, infinity is on holidays I guess, but nice that we have a fix for the long term :)10:03
didrocksI think seb128 sorted most of the translations by hand right now10:03
didrocksso maybe that can wait for infinity to be back10:03
seb128yeah, I did manual updates of the templates for raring10:05
seb128so no hurry in fixing that10:05
didrocksthanks pitti, seb128 :)10:10
chrisccoulsonhello everyone10:12
seb128chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?10:13
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?10:13
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks10:14
chrisccoulsonooh, awesome, i've broken the automated tests that test the automated test suite https://launchpadlibrarian.net/135291094/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-i386.firefox-trunk_22.0~a1~hg20130325r126106-0ubuntu1~umd1~quantal_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz10:14
seb128chrisccoulson, how is chromium on arm going? did you manage to get it to run properly at the end?10:14
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, it's running ok here10:14
seb128great10:15
seb128good work! ;-)10:15
chrisccoulsonwell, it runs ok until my pandaboard freezes10:15
seb128do you need another panda or not?10:15
chrisccoulsonseb128, only if there are spare ones. i wouldn't want to deprive anybody else of one ;)10:16
seb128chrisccoulson, I will ask about that around the team during the meeting today, just to know where we stand10:16
seb128I'm for sure not using mine a lot nowadays10:17
seb128I mostly use the nexus for arm testing10:17
chrisccoulsonthanks10:17
seb128yw10:17
seb128chrisccoulson, btw did you put that new ssd in action yet? ;-)10:17
chrisccoulsonseb128, not yet. my new laptop arrives tomorrow, so it will get some use then :)10:18
seb128nice10:18
seb128somebody to play with during the easter w.e ;-)10:18
chrisccoulsonit's in kazakhstan atm10:18
chrisccoulsoni keep refreshing the UPS page ;)10:18
seb128lol10:18
pittididrocks: FYI, infinity is talking in #u-devel :)10:31
didrocksoh?10:32
* didrocks jumps on him10:32
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seb128pitti, pochu uploaded glib and gvfs it seems12:43
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GunnarHjLaney: ping?13:20
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seb128GunnarHj, hey, he's on holidays for 2 weeks14:09
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rickspencer3hey didrocks, I'm doing a dist-upgrade now :)14:15
* rickspencer3 waits to kick tires on latest smart scopes14:15
didrocksrickspencer3: there is a rebuild in progress, watchout for partial upgrades ;)14:16
rickspencer3yikes!14:17
rickspencer3didrocks, it just said everything was to be upgraded14:17
rickspencer3it didn't say anything would be held back14:17
rickspencer3am I ok?14:17
ogra_its a development release, things are supposed to break y'know :)14:18
* ogra_ hides somewhere 14:18
didrocksrickspencer3: you should :)14:18
didrocksrickspencer3: the next rebuild will normally have way quicker serach14:19
didrockssearch*14:19
* olli keeps his fingers crossed14:19
ogra_(i actually wonder when we'll stop to see that sentence posted on support forums and mailing lists ... i guess thats when we can actually call out a rolling release)14:19
ollididrocks, do we have an eta on that rebuild?14:19
didrocksolli: without the tests, it's when launchpad is happy to finish building it. So by experience ~ 45 minutes with publication14:20
ollioki14:20
olliright during the call then, immediate feedback ;)14:20
didrocksolli: hem, yeah, around that time :)14:21
ollididrocks, so I paid a bit closer attention to my x220 issues14:21
didrocksyeah?14:21
olliare you using a dock for your laptop?14:21
didrocksno, I'm just connected to an external monitor directly14:21
didrocks but no dock/no keyboard, nothing else14:21
olliit seems that after a few dock/undocks it slows down14:21
olliok14:22
didrocksah, interesting14:22
olliI will file bugs14:22
didrocksyes please :)14:22
didrockslast time I heard that it was seb128 and it was a hw issue (specific issue when being docked)14:22
didrocksI definitively don't want to buy one then :p14:22
olli:)14:22
olliwell, it's also weird that it gets super hot while in the dock14:23
* olli is not a happy x220 user atm14:23
GunnarHjseb128: Thanks for letting me know about Laney.14:23
GunnarHjseb128: Do you know of anybody else who might give a helping hand with the Urdu fonts bug?14:23
didrocksolli: yeah, I can definitively tell you I don't experience that (despite I guess heavy computation) on my x220, but without any dock14:24
olli:) yeah, I don't stress my laptop too much, heavy google doc usage probably doesn't count ;)14:25
ollianyhow, I'll see if I can find more information14:25
didrocksolli: and emails I guess :-)14:25
didrocksolli: well, hangouts are quite CPU-intensive it seems14:25
didrocksbut yeah, keep us in touch14:25
seb128GunnarHj, not really, maybe ask on #ubuntu-devel14:30
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, I'll do.14:30
rickspencer3didrocks, am I dreaming, or is the dash much faster today?14:37
rickspencer3the local content seems to be loading faster14:38
didrocksrickspencer3: hum, you didn't get the improvments yet, so either dreaming either the server-side maybe being faster (which is the case for me)14:38
rickspencer3didrocks, ok14:38
rickspencer3wikipedia and stuff still seem the same14:39
didrocksthere are few fixes on some scopes that can impact the speed as well14:39
didrocksrickspencer3: but wait on the incoming builds to breath :)14:39
rickspencer3didrocks, hmmm, I searched for "grateful dead" and didn't get the reference scope14:40
didrocksrickspencer3: if the scope timeouted, yeah14:40
rickspencer3gotcha14:41
rickspencer3also "Grateful Dead" gets different results ;)14:41
didrocksroh, really?14:41
didrocksindeed14:42
didrocksconfirmed14:42
rickspencer3didrocks, the local content just seems way snappier for some reason14:43
rickspencer3I'm looking forward to the later improvements14:43
didrocksgreat :)14:45
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GunnarHjseb128: Still two tasks at bug 952185 waiting to be sponsored. Should I resubscribe ubuntu-sponsors?14:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 952185 in gdm (Ubuntu Precise) "~/.pam_environment not parsed by default" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95218514:53
seb128GunnarHj, sure14:53
GunnarHjseb128: Ok.14:53
seb128thanks14:53
Laneyhey GunnarHj (don't tell me off for being here :p) - looks like there's some confusion in that bug about what the default should be? Anyway, you might want something like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fontconfig_packaging_tips#Registering_a_font_in_default_families15:01
Laneydon't forget to make sure data/pkg-depends in l-s is right too15:02
* Laney goes away again15:03
pittihey Laney, enjoying your holidays? in the snow?15:03
pittiLaney: I pwned your favourite package, glib, today :)15:04
GunnarHjLaney: Thanks, seems to be a useful document!15:06
mterryjdstrand, we have a MIR that needs some security attention: bug 115773215:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 1157732 in qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "[MIR] circle of friends" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115773215:14
mterrykenvandine, on the above, do you think the qtdeclarative tests that need glx could be maybe run as a dep8 test?15:14
jdstrandmterry: yep, I've been pinged on it15:14
mterryjdstrand, OK, thanks  :)15:15
jdstrandmterry: I can tell you without even looking at it that another xml parser is not attractive15:15
jdstrandbut I need to actually look at it. hopefully I'll start today15:16
jdstranderf, a js backend15:17
jdstrandmeh15:17
kenvandinemterry, maybe, it is possible it should work in xfvb, but there is a bug in xfvb15:31
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kenvandinemterry, seb128 pointed me at an old bug that breaks Xephyr15:33
kenvandinewe'll need to figure this out for lots of things, like the shell, and any of qml apps15:33
seb128kenvandine, the fix just got uploaded to raring (for xephyr)15:33
kenvandinewoot15:33
kenvandinei'll test that again15:34
kenvandinemlankhorst, do you think the fix for bug 1079096 might also affect xvfb?15:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 1079096 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xephyr does not have GLX" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107909615:35
mterryjdstrand, I knew you'd be happy about that MIR  :)15:36
mlankhorstkenvandine: presumably you need to do the same thing there15:36
mlankhorstkenvandine: and if you read at the bug report, it's just a matter of checking whether x 1.13 includes it or not15:37
kenvandinemlankhorst, ah... so i guess it would be a new patch for that15:39
mlankhorstyeah like the one linked for vfb in the bug description15:39
kenvandinemlankhorst, ah, cool there is a patch for vfb too :)15:48
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seb128sarnold, hey, what's the conclusion of your systemd-shim security review? I just uploaded the new version from desrt with the detect_virtualization() fix, was that all was needed?16:17
kenvandinemterry, guess what... xvfb-run does provide glx... if the host system doesn't have nvidia :)16:18
* kenvandine tries the tests on intel16:19
seb128hehe16:19
sarnoldseb128: I also asked desrt to replace calls to 'mv' with rename(2); I'd like it done before shipping :) but it shouldn't block inclusion or shipping.16:20
seb128sarnold, ack, anything else? I'm trying to get that transition to land before we hit hard freeze for raring16:21
sarnoldseb128: nothing urgent, no16:22
seb128sarnold, so +1 from you if we make sure we fix the mv issue before release?16:22
sarnoldseb128: yes16:22
seb128mterry, did you ack that MIR or was your comment meant as "I will review for MIR once security/FFe is done"?16:22
seb128sarnold, thanks, and thanks for the detailed reviews ;-)16:23
sarnoldseb128: my pleasure :)16:23
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, since when did xvfb provide glx?16:24
chrisccoulsonhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/101/ARCH=i386,label=adt/testReport/junit/content.canvas.test/webgl/test_webgl_conformance_test_suite_html/16:24
chrisccoulsoni've never managed to get it to work ;)16:24
kenvandineaccording to google some people have had success :)16:24
kenvandineand16:24
seb128chrisccoulson, did you try on precise?16:24
kenvandinei just ran "xvfb-run -a glxinfo"16:24
kenvandineand it worked16:24
kenvandineon an intel box16:24
chrisccoulsonseb128, no, only on raring16:24
kenvandineon my nvidia box it doesn't16:24
seb128chrisccoulson, glx support is buggy on quantal/raring, at least in some ways, see http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=ac1a60e7b6f06fd075cc5bf55d6bc67206a01d2916:25
chrisccoulsonseb128, thanks16:25
rickspencer3hey seb128 it looks like my panel crashed about 10 minutes ago :/16:25
rickspencer3around when I got disconnected from my wireless16:26
seb128chrisccoulson, we just got the fix for xephyr uploaded to raring, we should probably backport the vfb one as well16:26
seb128rickspencer3, did you get apport to pop up/report the bug?16:26
rickspencer3seb128, no16:26
rickspencer3I guess it's frozen, not crashed16:26
seb128rickspencer3, is it running? ps aux | grep unity-panel-service ?16:27
chrisccoulsonoh, it's not just me that's seeing unity-panel-service crash fairly frequently?16:28
rickspencer3seb128,16:28
seb128it happens frequently on my nexus, not on my laptop16:28
rickspencer3rick      2197  0.1  0.9 609432 18556 ?        Sl   07:35   0:07 /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service16:28
seb128rickspencer3, hum, not sure what's going on, maybe ask on #ubuntu-unity (sorry, we are having a meeting here in 1 min ;-)16:29
rickspencer3ack16:29
rickspencer3o/16:29
seb128Sweetsha1k, qengho, didrocks, kenvandine, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente, desrt: hey, it's meeting time16:30
didrockshey16:30
robruhey hey16:30
Sweetsha1ko/16:30
* kenvandine waves16:30
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seb128https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2013-03-2616:30
cyphermoxyo!16:31
seb128I hope everybody is doing well and ready for raring hard freeze coming soon16:31
seb128let's get started16:31
seb128Sweetshark, hey16:31
Sweetsharkseb128: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/ImpressSprint2013, getting tinderbox builders up to shape, 4.0.2rc1/2 prep16:31
Sweetsharkseb128: thats all.16:31
seb128Sweetshark, thanks16:32
seb128qengho, hey16:32
qenghoHey hey.16:32
qengho- Getting reliable chromoium-browser cross-compiling working to avoid problem with size of code at link time.16:32
qengho- Deferring much of last week's many tasks.  Made progress on a few.  Will come back to them as I can:  autopkgtest, AMZN extension packaging for firefox, upstream suggestions on packaging, fewer embedded libraries and preferring system libraries, using actual upstream release orig tarball, new lintian errors.  Will return to these once armhf is really nice.16:32
qengho- Major to-do:  Test chromium-browser on more armhf hardware.16:32
qenghoEOF.16:32
seb128qengho, thanks16:33
seb128did you guys get chromium to behave on arm at the end, including precise?16:33
qenghoseb128: well, it builds natively by dynlinking everything.16:34
seb128ok, moving on16:34
qenghoBut, that's not great.16:34
chrisccoulsonwell, sort of. it's still using bundled libraries, but the main binary is split in to several smaller shared objects16:35
chrisccoulsonto make it linkable16:35
chrisccoulsoni'm going to experiment with making this more coarsely split, as webkit is roughly half of the total size of chromium16:36
chrisccoulsonit may be possible to just split webkit out of it ;)16:36
chrisccoulson(and still have it link)16:36
seb128k16:36
seb128thanks chrisccoulson, qengho16:36
chrisccoulsonbut yeah, the current situation isn't ideal, but is probably the best short-term solution16:37
seb128didrocks, hey? ;-)16:37
didrockshey!16:37
didrocks* We now have a daily release migration process at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/MovingNewRelease16:37
didrocks* Still progress on the 100 scopes. Delayed the release of the feature on the 1st of April16:37
didrocks* We have now the in dash payment merged into the same 100scopes ppa. Please test16:37
didrocks* Bootstrapping the discussion again for having touch apps ready in a raring ppa16:37
didrocks.16:37
* seb128 is running the scopes ppa but didn't play much with the in dash payment, that seems like a plan to make us spend more money :p16:38
seb128didrocks, thanks16:38
kenvandinehehw16:38
didrocksyw :)16:38
seb128kenvandine, hey16:38
kenvandinehey16:38
kenvandine* Bug fixes for libaccounts-glib, account-plugins, signon, signon-ui and gnome-control-center-signon16:38
kenvandine* Fixed up build failures for UOA related packages for quantal that was blocking phablet CI builds16:38
kenvandine* Got basic autopilot tests in gwibber, not useful yet but I got the infrastructure in place.  I'll add more tests this week.16:38
kenvandine* Working on getting tests running in qtdeclarative5 during package build, it might just work now with xvfb for non-nvidia systems.16:38
kenvandine /EOF16:38
seb128do you still aim at landing the friends stack on the CD for raring?16:39
kenvandineyes!16:39
kenvandinejust waiting on the MIR :)16:39
seb128how is that going? what is missing?16:39
kenvandinejust the MIR :)16:39
kenvandinesecurity reviews for 2 qt packages16:39
kenvandineand tests running in qtdeclarative516:39
seb128ok16:39
robruthere's a couple bugs that I'd rather not ship in raring, hoping to fix those today16:39
kenvandineor mterry saying that is ok :)16:39
seb128good luck with that16:39
seb128kenvandine, thanks16:40
didrockskenvandine: you told me the tradeoff was daily releasing the sdk :)16:40
didrockskenvandine: did you get to it? :)16:40
didrocksI saw the stack, but it wasn't deployed16:40
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kenvandinedidrocks, not yet... but soon :)16:40
mlankhorstg'day mates16:40
kenvandinedidrocks, yeah i need to get it on jenkins16:40
* didrocks can't wait for it :)16:40
seb128kenvandine, anything blocking the deployement?16:40
seb128or just need to find an hour to sit down and do it ?16:41
seb128you guys seem busy on -unity, moving on16:41
seb128kenvandine, thanks16:41
seb128mlankhorst, hey16:41
mlankhorsttons of xorg-server fixes related to hotplugging and the plymouth race16:42
mlankhorstdone with it \o/16:42
mlankhorstnot much else here16:42
seb128mlankhorst, bug fixes \o/16:42
seb128thanks ;-)16:43
seb128cyphermox, hey16:43
mlankhorstyeah the big 'xserver fails on fast boots' bug16:43
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seb128mlankhorst, do you have a bug number for reference?16:43
mlankhorsttoo many16:43
mlankhorstdepending on what exactly happened and on whether you had a hybrid or not16:43
mlankhorsthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/98288916:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 982889 in plymouth "X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:44
mlankhorst#115761416:44
seb128(I'm curious to know if that's bug #873495)16:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 873495 in lightdm (Ubuntu Precise) "LightDM fails to start after nvidia-current or nvidia-current-updates are installed (upstart job issue)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87349516:44
seb128mlankhorst, thanks16:44
seb128cyphermox, there?16:44
cyphermoxyes!16:45
seb128hey ;-)16:45
mlankhorstseb128: nope, been busy purely on open source drivers16:45
cyphermoxso, I've enabled bluetooth on the nexus 7 last week (for command-line, not quite with a gui and easy stuff yet)16:45
cyphermoxwe've had some small disagreements on how to do it so things are still changing a bit16:45
seb128cyphermox, \o/16:45
cyphermoxwaiting for a nexus 4 to be able to enable *that* too16:46
cyphermoxotherwise, I did prepare libhud-qt, phablet-tools, hud2.0, qmenumodel for daily release, pending review and finishing up16:46
cyphermoxthat's all from me :)16:46
seb128nice, more daily landing ;-)16:46
cyphermoxyup, soon!16:46
seb128cyphermox, thanks16:47
seb128mterry, hey16:47
mterryhi16:48
mterry- MIR work for scopes and gwibber16:48
mterry- Deja Dup work:16:48
mterry  - for smoothing when we hit the servers (we were always starting at midnight UTC)16:48
mterry  - for being more idle (using chrt --idle)16:48
mterry  - for fixing more tmpfs issues16:48
mterry- More phablet greeter work, but nothing landing yet16:48
mterryEOF16:48
mterryYou asked about the gwibber MIR?16:48
seb128mterry, I asked about systemd-shim earlier16:48
seb128but kenvandine mentioned that friends&co are waiting on MIR as well16:49
mterryseb128, oh, I'll get back to you after the meeting then, I don't have that bug in front of me16:49
seb128mterry, ok, thanks16:49
mterryYeah, the issue with friends is security and tests16:49
seb128kenvandine mentioned that, seems it's being tracked/actively worked16:49
seb128mterry, thanks16:49
seb128robru, hey16:49
robru* Released 2.4.5 of unity-firefox-extension16:49
robru* Released 2.4.14 of webapps-applications16:49
robru* Created a transitional package to ease the introduction of unity-asset-pool package.16:49
robru* Progressed (slowly) the five phablet packages that I'm trying to land in raring, but they're mostly blocked on libhud still.16:49
robru* Fixed some margin bugs in Gwibber QML.16:49
robru* Linkify URLs in Friends backend16:49
robru* Auto-include @mention when replying to tweets.16:49
robru* Wrote some keepalive code for Friends that allows it to better handle rapid, near-concurrent requests.16:49
robru* Fixed an unhandled exception that occaisionally happened during Friends startup.16:49
robru* Discovered that flickr support in Friends was actually totally broken -- fixed it.16:49
robru* Dropped obsolete GObject imports from lp:bzr-dbus16:49
robruEOF16:49
seb128robru, thanks16:51
seb128tkamppeter, hey16:51
tkamppeter- Posted OpenPrinting project ideas for the Google Summer of Code 2013: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/gsoc/google-summer-code-2013-openprinting-projects, mainly MuPDF integration for a mobile printing stack16:51
tkamppeter- Google Summer of Code mentoring organization application for the Linux Foundation, where OpenPrinting is part of.16:51
tkamppeter- Talked with Ubuntu Touch team and Ghostscript upstreams about the ligtweight MuPDF as PDF renderer for Ubuntu Touch.16:51
tkamppeter- Bug fixes on cups, cups-filters, and system-config-printer, especially to make the new Bonjour-based broadcasting and browsing of shared printers reliably work.16:51
seb128tkamppeter, do you have any link to the discussions with the touch team and ghostscript upstream about mupdf?16:52
seb128tkamppeter, I'm not sure why we think it's a better option than our tested poppler codebase (out of "upstream marking speech is good" ;-)16:53
tkamppeterseb128, it was a meeting last Thu on #ubuntu-touch-meeting, the one about the PDF display app.16:53
seb128hum, that channel doesn't seem to be logged :-(16:54
tkamppeterseb128, Poppler has some problems, like producing awkward, non-viable print output for mobile and not being able to save filled forms.16:54
tkamppeterseb128, they have logged it with a meeting bot.16:55
seb128tkamppeter, let's discuss it after this meeting, but sure poppler is not perfect, but no code is and we know the poppler limitations and bugs, we don't know the mupdf one, it might have lot of segfaults, rendering issues, performance bugs, etc16:55
seb128we will not know until it goes stress tested on random documents from lot of users16:56
seb128tkamppeter, thanks16:56
seb128attente, hey16:56
attenteseb128, hi16:56
attentethrew away some progress on the keyboard indicator because upstream is closer to what we want to do for the keyboard work, so we'll work off that instead and submit bug fixes16:56
attentecurrently investigating why ibus-1.5.1 is broken, more continuing on the keyboard/IM work this week16:56
attenteEOF16:56
seb128hum16:57
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seb128what do you mean "upstream is closer to what we want to do"?16:57
seb128their indicator is js in gnome-shell no?16:58
attentemore along the lines of the backend; upstream is already combining keyboard layouts and IMs into input sources16:59
seb128ah, I see, using ibus for managing everything16:59
seb128attente, thanks16:59
attentethanks seb12817:00
seb128desrt, here? you mentioned you would be out for some hours but I didn't ask when you would leave ;-)17:00
seb128I will assume you are out17:00
seb128moving on17:00
seb128that let me: usually desktop updates, bugs fixes, SRUs, spec tracking17:01
seb128joined some discussions about power management and system settings plans as well17:01
seb128that's basically it17:01
seb128 17:01
seb128did I forget anyone this week? ;-)17:01
seb128comments/questions/...?17:02
attenteseb128, should we still talk to the ubuntu kylin about how they're doing IMs?17:02
seb128attente, tvoss organized a first meeting about IMs yesterday (that was announced on ubuntu-devel@ list), I guess you didn't see the email? (sorry, I should have pinged your directly about that)17:04
seb128attente, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyYIZvbPceI if you want to watch the video17:05
seb128attente, but don't worry we mostly came out with "need investigation on lot of topics"17:05
seb128attente, summary is on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-input-methods17:05
attenteseb128, ok, thanks, will look over it17:06
seb128attente, I will include you on the followup discussion and make sure you know about the next meeting ;-)17:06
seb128 17:07
seb128other questions/comments for the meeting?17:07
seb128seems not17:07
seb128thanks everyone17:08
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bcurtiswxon boot what gives you the pretty ubuntu text with the round white dots? right now i see an ascii version :(17:27
bcurtiswxand on shutdown too17:28
sarnoldbcurtiswx: I think that's plymouth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth17:31
bcurtiswxhmm, says my default is the logo, but it's not showing it. guess i'll debug17:39
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mterryseb128, btw, regarding systemd-shim, I need to review it once more for maintainability.  Will do so now18:09
seb128mterry, thanks18:09
mterrydesrt, seb128: systemd-shim seems fine.  But sarnold asked for the detect_virtualization thing to be fixed, so once that is, we're good to go18:14
seb128mterry, it's fixed in the upload I did just before the meeting18:16
seb128v118:16
mterryseb128, guh, you're too fast for me18:16
seb128mterry, thanks for the review ;-)18:16
mterryseb128, approved18:18
seb128mterry, thank you18:18
* didrocks waves good evening18:45
didrockssee you on Thursday guys!18:46
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desrtseb128, mterry: nice, thanks19:44
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mterryinfinity, I'm guessing that Debian will package telepathy-qt for qt5 in a new source...  Do you have any insight on that?  (you're listed as an uploader)21:25
infinitymterry: I haven't touched tp-qt since I worked for Collabora, so slightly out of touch.21:26
mterryinfinity, OK21:26
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rostamHI please help I get zip2 error after command: pbuilder-dist precise create. here is the pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5650612/22:26
rickspencer3jasoncwarner_, desktoppers ...23:18
rickspencer3gvfsd-http has been giving me a lot of grief the last week or so23:18
rickspencer3I never really heard of it until it started crashing23:18
rickspencer3now it sometimes seems to take up a lot of resources23:19
jasoncwarner_rickspencer3 aight. Is throwing apport dialogues or are you noticing b/c of resource hoggage ?23:19
jasoncwarner_rickspencer3 and by chance have a bug #?23:20
rickspencer3jasoncwarner_, first apport, now it sometimes shows up in top when my system is boggy23:20
jasoncwarner_ok23:20
rickspencer3jasoncwarner_, buy #105599323:21
jasoncwarner_thanks, rickspencer3 . will look into it23:21

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