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[09:45] <fnoyanisi> I was asked to discuss here :)
[09:45] <fnoyanisi> you already know about this spyware issue in ubuntu
[09:45] <k1l> fnoyanisi: did you install ubuntu?
[09:46] <fnoyanisi> I've been using it for about a year
[09:46] <k1l> fnoyanisi: its not spyware. its a advertisment. but its easily to switch off or to remove
[09:46] <fnoyanisi> I am quite happy with it
[09:46] <k1l> fnoyanisi: so you took a look at the privacy settings?
[09:46] <fnoyanisi> this is not about the "software itself" but the behavior
[09:46] <ejv> well this channel is dead... and the topic says: "No ranting here please", which begs the question, is there an ubuntu channel that supports ranting?
[09:46] <DJones> Do remember, it isn't spyware though, its just a search facility that is easily switched off or removed
[09:47] <fnoyanisi> actually, this makes me to worry for future releases.... does this show canonical has something in mid (i mean including these kind of software in their OS)?
[09:47] <k1l> fnoyanisi: which kind of software?
[09:47] <fnoyanisi> collecting information
[09:48] <fnoyanisi> sending to "somewhere" etc etc....
[09:48] <fnoyanisi> this looks like you are taken as fool.... it can be switched of
[09:48] <fnoyanisi> right
[09:48] <fnoyanisi> but, it is installed
[09:48] <k1l> fnoyanisi: how should a search work with not collectin something?
[09:48] <fnoyanisi> and switched ON
[09:48] <ejv> fnoyanisi, the fact that you're asking these kinds of questions tells me that you have anywhere little to no idea (at all) about what you're asking.
[09:48] <fnoyanisi> ejv : thanks
[09:48] <ejv> s/anywhere/anywhere\ from/g
[09:49] <fnoyanisi> I used other distros, never had such an issue. I was so happy with ubuntu for a bout a year actually
[09:50] <ejv> Richard Stallman is spokesperson for the Free Software Foundation; of course he's not going to publicly endorse products and software that are even *slightly* (due to negligence/ignorance) malicious toward end-users. That's his job. That doesn't mean Ubuntu is all-of-a-sudden "spyware".
[09:51] <fnoyanisi> ejv : I did not mean that. What I meant was, is this some kind of "first step" of a new policy from canonical?
[09:52] <k1l> fnoyanisi: first step to what?
[09:52] <fnoyanisi> you guys, using our OS, then we are doing a favour for you, collecting data to make your search easier. hmmmm... well.. we may "sell" it, but we will use this money for the sake of free software
[09:53] <k1l> fnoyanisi: there is nothing sold
[09:53] <fnoyanisi> k1l : maybe any music file you are listening, to make recommendation to you for any popular albums that has just released
[09:54] <ejv> All linux distributions collect basic data on their user population. This is nothing new. Who knows what Canonical has planned.  They are a private company and free to make their own decisions.
[09:54] <k1l> fnoyanisi: if you buy smth from amazon clicking on that link in the dash ubuntu will get a refund. there is nothing if you dont buy anything
[09:54] <DJones> From memory (this could be an urban myth), doesn't RMS not even use web browsers/internet? Doesn't he have somebody who searchs for things, copys it and then pastes it into a text email? If that was true, all the lense is doing is what he's employing somebody to do :) How long till he sacks that employee for being a spy
[09:55] <k1l> fnoyanisi: that amazon ref thing is more than common in the linux world. there are music players who use that for selling music and get a ref for them selves
[09:59] <ejv> If you feel that Ubuntu is infringing upon your liberty due to misunderstanding(s) of the issues, you're free to use other distributions that adhere more strongly to FSF principles. That's the beauty of FOSS.
[09:59] <fnoyanisi> ejv :I am not new to linux world, but liked ubuntu actually
[10:00] <fnoyanisi> after using slackware for a long time
[10:00] <k1l> fnoyanisi: if you rely on listening to RMS then take alook which distros suit into his world and use one of them
[10:00] <ejv> ok? what does that have to do with what I just said?
[10:02] <fnoyanisi> ejv : I mean, ubuntu was the peaceful harbour for me :)
[10:03] <ejv> It sounds like you're looking for someone to convince you that Ubuntu is or isn't a "peaceful harbour" (whatever that means). I'm not going to play that game, especially as it seems you've already come to a conclusion. Good luck in your search.
[10:07] <fnoyanisi> ejv : thanks. much appreciated
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