[00:13] <ali1234> popey: http://friendrouter.com/
[00:14] <ali1234> i can still get to you: http://friendrouter.com/route/5150e791bc2e8b75b789b525
[00:24] <popey> haha
[00:25] <ali1234> if you're wondering, the site figures out that you follow htc-linux and htc-linux follows me
[00:25] <popey> i dont mind twitter so much
[00:26] <ali1234> it will find such a route between any two twitter users by tree search
[00:27] <ali1234> interesting problem because searching the whole tree would exceed the API rate limit
[00:27] <ali1234> so it uses geolocation as a heuristic
[00:33] <ali1234> http://friendrouter.com/route/5150eaebbc2e8b75b789b527
[00:33] <popey> yay, storywar downloaded
[00:33] <popey> hah
[00:34] <ali1234> hulk hogan follows someone who follows john cleese who follows someone who follows you
[00:34] <ali1234> and if that's not mildly interesting, i don't know what is
[00:35] <popey> it certainly does rank up there in the mildly segment of the interesting category of things I've learned today
[01:29] <bootkigftrgds> morning..
[01:30] <Seeker`> afternoon
[01:30] <bootkigftrgds> AlanBell: Just for reference they now sell "Libertus" at Tesco under the 'Relentless' drinks range ...
[01:33] <bootkigftrgds> ... I'm not sure if it's called 'Apple & Kiwi' or just they 'Sugar Free' version on the can but , either one, It's definately saying 'LIBERTUS' on the cardboard tray holding all the drinks..
[01:33] <bootkigftrgds> I tried to take a picture, but became aware of the thousand eyes watching me doing so ..
[01:34] <bootkigftrgds> S0oo I'll have to leave it till I get my adventurous to being thrown out of the local store :)
[01:35] <bootkigftrgds> **get more adventurous ..
[01:35] <bootkigftrgds> .. hi Seeker`..
[01:45] <redtape-renegade> Fun fact : The number of countries that have been at War that have at least one McDonalds is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzero http://open.spotify.com/track/0ENkmfMS6Z8IItYtH6jEkJ (0mn:32secs)
[08:42] <diplo> Morning all
[09:03] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:03]  * bigcalm roasts AlanChicken 
[09:04] <AlanChicken> gosh
[09:04] <AlanChicken> !ghost
[09:04] <lubotu3`> If you own an IRC nick that is currently being used, you can make it change nicks by typing: /msg nickserv release <nick> <password> | If you have a dead (ghost) connection, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password> | further help in #freenode
[09:06] <AlanBell> http://www.suasnews.com/2013/03/21782/quadrocopter-swarm-as-a-harbinger-of-paramounts-star-trek-into-darkness/ how cool is that!
[09:11] <daubers> AlanBell: Very cool :)
[09:16] <SuperMatt> top
[09:16] <SuperMatt> oops
[09:59] <JamesTait> Happy Venture Into The Unknown Day, everyone! :-D
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> Uh?
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> Why didn't anyone tell me? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01r522y/episodes/guide :)
[10:01] <SuperMatt> ooooohhhhh!
[10:02] <SuperMatt> of course benedict would be the Angel Islington
[10:02] <SuperMatt> that's a damn good cast right there
[10:02] <kvarley> Has anybody here purchased a Nexus device from the Google Play store? popey maybe?
[10:02] <SuperMatt> I must get a copy of this as MP3
[10:03] <bigcalm> SuperEngineer: get_iplayer :)
[10:04] <jacobw> I got an iPlayer, now what do I do with it? :|
[10:04] <redtape-renegade> thats pretty awesome .. did you see my post from last night ??
[10:04] <bigcalm> !get_iplayer
[10:04] <SuperMatt> oooh
[10:04] <bigcalm> Oh, didn't know it did ITV as well
[10:05] <bigcalm> SuperEngineer: sorry for the tab fail
[10:11]  * SuperEngineer forgives bigcalm ;)
[10:12] <SuperEngineer> ...heartily recommends get-iplayer as well!
[10:16] <SuperMatt> I don't know how to get it to work :(
[10:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:17] <SuperMatt> man page is loooooong and complicated
[10:18] <SuperEngineer> SuperMatt: "man get-iplayer
[10:18] <SuperEngineer> SuperMatt: "man get-iplayer"
[10:18] <SuperMatt> it's OK
[10:18] <SuperMatt> I pirate-bayed what I wanted
[10:19] <SuperEngineer> e.g. get-player --type=tv  "nameofwhatyouwant"
[10:19] <SuperEngineer> cool
[10:19] <SuperEngineer> but naughty
[10:19] <SuperMatt> but I will check it out at a later date
[10:19] <SuperMatt> weeeell, yes
[10:21] <SuperMatt> but I've already payed my licence fee :D
[10:21] <SuperEngineer> [though I doubt if The Big Chrysanthemum approves of get-iplayer ;)
[10:24] <popey> kvarley: yes
[10:35] <kvarley> popey: I was having difficulty finding my order number but it seems to be called "Transaction ID" now. Rang customer support and checked the order went through ok - should have a Nexus device to put Ubuntu on soon \0/
[10:39] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: use the web interface, it makes life a lot simpler
[10:40] <popey> kvarley: did you get through to an american?
[10:47] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:56] <^aDaM-iPad> lo all
[11:00] <kvarley> popey: Yeah, called the support line which I think was an American number via Skype
[11:00] <popey> how was that experience?
[11:02] <kvarley> popey: The guy was very helpful, clearly trained well to make it seem like me as the customer is in control. The line was the best I've ever had to a call centre, so crisp.
[11:02] <kvarley> popey: Weird that I went to American call centre when the device is shipping from Dublin though.
[11:02] <kvarley> I mean, I thought they'd have completely separate departments
[11:36] <czajkowski> kvarley: meh you ring dell.ie and end up in india
[11:36] <czajkowski> calll centers are not always where you think they are
[11:36] <kvarley> czajkowski: But that's Dell for you :P
[11:36] <kvarley> czajkowski: True, guess it's just whatever is cheapest or just whatever their legacy location is
[11:37] <jacobw> It doesn't really matter if you get what you want
[11:38] <popey> it does if you get stress and wasted time as a bonus to what you want
[11:39] <czajkowski> best customer suport I've seen in a long time was Toshiba, rang explained issue and 24hrs later laptop was picked up and taken care of, updates via the website and email notifications.
[11:39] <czajkowski> was well impressed and that was without the extended cover
[11:40] <rebtape|coffee> czajkowski, Whas that a netbook or what ? How much was the tosh. extra cover, just out of interest ?
[11:41] <rebtape|coffee> oh, you said there was none.
[11:42] <czajkowski> Z830
[11:42] <czajkowski> No idea said I wasnt interested in it.
[11:42] <rebtape|coffee> ok thanx.
[11:43] <rebtape|coffee> .. time for potato salad !
[11:50] <jacobw> popey: then you didn't get what you want, customer service that doesn't waste your time and cause you stress
[11:54] <czajkowski> directhex: ever heard of http://www.ginger6.com/  any good?
[11:54] <SuperEngineer> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21938671#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa  Yikes!
[11:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Has AlanBell been around this morning?
[11:55] <SuperEngineer> TheOpenSourcerer: yes
[11:56] <AlanBell> hi TheOpenSourcerer
[11:58] <Myrtti> I don't know what part of get_iplayer I don't understand, but I sure can't download that Neil Gaiman thing however I try
[11:58] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti: using what command format?
[11:59] <Myrtti> get_iplayer --type=radio "url"
[12:01] <Myrtti> WARNING: No programmes are available for this pid
[12:02] <SuperEngineer> ...hang on - tryiong another line
[12:02] <Myrtti> ah right, nevermind.
[12:02] <Myrtti> I just realised my mistake
[12:03] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[12:05] <Myrtti> rubber ducking
[12:05] <popey> ☺
[12:05]  * popey wonders if wifey wore her new socks today
[12:07] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti:  let me guess - get-iplayer --type=radio "Neil Gaiman" worked
[12:07] <popey> wat http://www.thelocal.se/46946/20130326/#.UVGPUKDJqY5
[12:13] <czajkowski> wow
[12:13] <rebtape|coffee> ?
[12:18] <davmor2> popey: WTF!!!!! Has the world gone mad, is that a news article for the first and it slipped out early?
[12:18]  * popey shrugs
[12:18] <AlanBell> "Has the world gone mad" < yes
[12:19] <AlanBell> that really is the kind of case that courts really really don't want to come to court
[12:22] <davmor2> AlanBell: it's easily dealt with, "I hope it taught you a lesson sir, ladies don't like being molested.  Madam I award you with praise, but please no more breaking noses, kick them in the nuts and do the world a favour"
[12:24] <AlanBell> yeah, that is what should be said before it gets to court
[12:25] <SuperEngineer> ...remembering to ensure the nut kicking is strictly in proportion to the bottom grabbing of course ;)
[12:26] <rebtape|coffee> AlanBell, Did you see my entry for the Libertus News early this morning, hey ?
[12:26] <SuperEngineer> 1 cheek = 1 nut
[12:27] <AlanBell> about the drink, yeah, I will look out for it
[12:27] <rebtape|coffee> What's next LIBERTUS Beer ?
[12:29]  * rebtape|coffee notes that www.freeasinbeer.org is still available ;)
[12:29]  * popey has tickets to the next Libertus beer :D
[12:30] <AlanBell> nom
[12:30] <rebtape|coffee> Plus doritos ?
[12:31] <rebtape|coffee> leaves.
[12:31] <davmor2> AlanBell: But now it is a president that has been set in court.  If the court had gone as far the other way as they could these things would never come back to court. The end of the court cases
[12:33] <rebtape|coffee> AlanBell, popey, Is there any specific ubuntu news that I can mull over on the bus, while I go to town .. that I is worthy enough to be highlighted in my usual message to the ubuntu-uk-podcast Ans.machine ?
[12:33]  * rebtape|coffee wants juicy news stories ..
[12:34] <popey> http://reddit.com/r/linux
[12:34] <popey> http://reddit.com/r/ubuntu
[12:35] <popey> http://phoronix.com
[12:35] <popey> (hah)
[12:35] <popey> http://omgubuntu.co.uk/
[12:35] <popey> I'd visit those
[12:35] <rebtape|coffee> opening . .. at some length. thank-you.
[12:40] <darrenF> #webops
[12:44] <diplo> .
[13:06] <AlanBell> davmor2: exactly, it sets precident, and the court is bound by the law and other precidents, so they probably couldn't do what they wanted to do, and didn't want to set a precident that could be used for evil in the next case
[14:29] <dogmatic69> Lately inkscape just crashes when it is opened.
[14:29] <dogmatic69> greys over, force quit etc.
[14:30] <dogmatic69> Any way to see why? It happens with any file, not a specific one.
[14:32] <dogmatic69> http://i.imgur.com/p2kSL3U.png
[14:32] <diplo> dogmatic69: Open on the cli and see if it creates any errors? Or see if any logs are created ?
[14:33] <diplo> First two things I try when I have issues
[14:33] <dogmatic69> diplo: ye, I was just looking for something to debug with :D
[14:34] <dogmatic69> meh, now its hung my terminal...
[14:34] <dogmatic69> $ inkscape
[14:34] <dogmatic69> ^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C
[14:34] <dogmatic69> cant close it...
[14:34] <dogmatic69> ah, just died.
[14:35] <rebtape|coffee> dogmatic69, FILE A BUG .
[14:35] <dogmatic69> bug 785701
[14:35] <dogmatic69> :(
[14:35] <redtape-renegade> !bug
[14:37] <ali1234> that bug is caused by NFS
[14:37] <ali1234> do you use NFS?
[14:38] <dogmatic69> yep
[14:44] <ali1234> well there you go then
[14:44] <ali1234> stop using NFS, it is rubbish
[14:45] <redtape-renegade> ali1234: helpful as always :)
[14:49] <ali1234> well, it's true
[14:49] <ali1234> NFS has long been known to be inadequate for just about any use
[14:49] <ali1234> it is famous for causing programs to randomly freeze, because of the way it is designed
[14:50] <mgdm> what's better than it, though?
[14:50] <mgdm> someone tried to tell me to use SMB or SSHFS instead
[14:50] <mgdm> I laughed
[14:50] <ali1234> yes, both of those are better
[14:51] <ali1234> hell, transfering the files manually on floppy disk is better
[14:52] <ali1234> AFP is also better
[14:52] <dogmatic69> ali1234: what is the alternative?
[14:52] <mgdm> heh. the day I put either of those on a webserver that needs a shared filesystem is the day I quit and become a bus driver
[14:54] <rebtape|coffee> ali1234, : dogmatic69 , asked for your preference .. I'd like to know, Also.
[14:55] <dogmatic69> ali1234: actually it seems the problem was from connecting to a mac in nautilus ssh://<mac>
[14:55] <dogmatic69> so how ever ubuntu is doing that.
[14:55] <dogmatic69> I generally use SMB for mounting network drives
[14:56] <dogmatic69> and sshfs
[14:56] <mgdm> I do that on desktops, sure
[14:56] <mgdm> but for more context I was told to use SSHFS on a web server to talk to where it stores its images
[14:57] <rebtape|coffee> ali1234, Your alternative, if you may ...
[15:03] <ali1234> the correct alternative depends on what you are trying to do
[15:04]  * daubers quite likes NFS
[15:04] <daubers> 'tis nice and quick for things that need the performance
[15:04] <daubers> CIFS is slow :(
[15:37] <mungbean> popey: what was that tool you used to export all your tomboy notes?
[15:37] <popey> uhm
[15:38] <popey> http://www.robpvn.net/plaintext-export/
[15:38] <mungbean> merci
[15:58] <mungbean> anyone ever used the ssh sync in tomboy?
[15:58] <mungbean> it's deisbaled by default
[16:02]  * xnox is listening to the UK TOP 40..... on latvian internet european hit radio
[16:02] <BigRedS> haha
[16:02] <BigRedS> why?
[16:03] <xnox> BigRedS: it's the best radio station ever: they have ads, but not "talking djs", they simply play music.
[16:04] <xnox> and their A-/B-playlist is compiled from top 40 songs across EU, such that it's actually good non-indie music most of the time. Good background music for working and working out.
[16:05] <xnox> So no need to listen to Jameela Jamil =)
[16:05] <mgdm> some parts of this office has a top 40 radio station playing constantly, it drives me to insanity
[16:05] <^aDaM> Hey guys does anybody know what I select on UNetbootin programme for the OS version of Ubuntu? It has 12.10 but NetInstall, Live, HDMedia ? What one do I select?
[16:06] <^aDaM> I am currently downloading 12.10 32bit
[16:06] <^aDaM> To be booted via USB it has been formatted and I have UNetbootin open ready and waiting...
[16:07] <^aDaM> Just need to know if I select NetInstall, Live, HDMedia/
[16:08] <^aDaM> Oh im ment to select DiscImage lol
[16:08] <^aDaM> via USB (F)
[16:10] <popey> mungbean: yes, i used it for a while, backing up to my vps
[16:10] <mungbean> any probs?
[16:11] <mungbean> i have ssh servers on the net
[16:11] <mungbean> to use if it works smoothly#
[16:17] <mungbean> oh ssh sync isnt what i exoected
[16:19] <mungbean> uses sshfs
[16:26] <popey> yup
[16:26] <popey> the problems I have with tomboy sync were almost all when i had tomboy open on two computers
[16:26] <popey> which i stopped doing
[16:27]  * mungbean goes back to looking at rainy
[16:35] <mungbean> just received an email from jolicloud LOL
[16:35] <czajkowski> I've found Nitro to be good
[16:36] <popey> yeah, I'm loving nitro
[16:36] <popey> only one flaw I currently have with it
[16:36] <popey> and it syncs to u1 ☺
[16:36] <czajkowski> aye tis where I ahve it syncing to
[16:36] <mungbean> what is it?
[16:37] <popey> a tasks app
[16:37] <popey> so not notes, but to-do list
[16:37] <czajkowski> love to do lists
[16:37] <czajkowski> and you can cross them off
[16:37] <czajkowski> and review them
[16:37] <czajkowski> very nice
[16:37] <mungbean> looks nice
[16:37] <mungbean> no notes :(
[16:39] <popey> need to consider where to work for the next 3 weeks. kids are off on easter holidays starting tomorrow
[16:39] <popey> well, tomorrow is last day
[16:40] <diplo> popey: Libertus offices ? :)
[16:40] <bigcalm> popey: take over their bedrooms, I doubt that they will want to spend much time in there
[16:40] <popey> both good suggestions
[16:41] <bigcalm> Ha
[16:41] <bigcalm> 3 weeks? I don't think I ever got 3 weeks at Easter
[16:41] <diplo> My kids only have 2 weeks
[16:52] <bigcalm> I've just started using my Unicomp Model M keyboard after a month being stuck with a USB keyboard. The keys all feel so tall now. It's a weird feeling
[16:53] <popey> *clackity* *clack* *clack*
[16:53] <bigcalm> Yep, I've missed the sweet sounds as well
[16:53] <bigcalm> I'm sure Hayley has as well. We'll find out later tonight :D
[16:58] <mungbean> weird, nitro is coming up as "buy" and i hhave to login to payment sevice
[17:01] <bigcalm> That is strange
[17:01] <mungbean> installing purchase
[17:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: czajkowski: USC is broken, fix please :D
[17:01] <czajkowski> bigcalm: dont break it!
[17:02] <popey> yeah, i had that too
[17:02] <bigcalm> Humm, looks like I'm still not used to Unity. How does one take a screen shot of a single window when alt brings up the hud?
[17:03] <popey> alt+printscreen
[17:03] <popey> same as always
[17:03] <AlanBell> heh
[17:03] <AlanBell> "always"
[17:03] <bigcalm> popey: I have lovely screenshots of the Unity launcher
[17:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: how's it broken and on what version
[17:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: 12.10, Look for Nitro in the USC. It's listed as Free but you have to click 'Buy...' and login to get it
[17:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: press and hold alt  hud only appears on tapping alt
[17:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's because it is a commercial app so follows the bulk of the paid system rather than apps from arb which are free or repo that are free
[17:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's deliberate
[17:05] <bigcalm> Pressing and holding alt causes nothing to happen until I release alt and then it gives me a screen shot of the area that the HUD appeared in
[17:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: it's confusing
[17:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's cause the hud was the active window
[17:06] <popey> hang on
[17:06] <popey> hold alt, tap printscreen, release alt
[17:06] <popey> screenshot appears after releasing alt
[17:06] <popey> yes/no?
[17:06] <bigcalm> popey: if I do that while looking at USC, I get a screenshot of the launcher
[17:07] <bigcalm> popey: if I do that while looking at xchat, I get a screenshot of xchat
[17:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: not as confusing as if you get sent to the pay service when you expected to just have the app install :P
[17:07] <popey> file a bug ☺
[17:07] <popey> ubuntu-bug unity
[17:07] <popey> actually, compiz
[17:07] <bigcalm> Isn't that what I'm doing in here? ;)
[17:08] <popey> no, you need to angrily tweet it
[17:08] <popey> and then not file a bug
[17:08] <directhex>  GRR
[17:08] <bigcalm> Aha
[17:08] <bigcalm> Hehe
[17:08] <directhex> ANGRYHEX
[17:08] <czajkowski> oh and blog about it
[17:08] <popey> and ignore anyone who asks you to
[17:08] <czajkowski> dont forget about that !
[17:08] <czajkowski> or start a thread on G+
[17:08] <czajkowski> new way of filing bugs
[17:08] <directhex> popey, don't forget ranting on IRC about how it's a conspiracy
[17:08] <ali1234> this is why the screenshot tool has the delay option
[17:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: hangon what screen is USC on incomparison to xchat?
[17:09] <ali1234> you know, when you press print screen and you get that window that says "what do you want to do" and you click "take a screenshot after a delay"
[17:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: ie is one on the unity main screen and the other not
[17:09] <ali1234> then you open whatever window before the delay times out
[17:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: usc is on monitor 1 (with the launcher). xchat is on monitor 3 (no launcher). If I move USC to monitor 3, I still get screenshots of the launcher
[17:10] <bigcalm> ali1234: I don't have that option
[17:10] <ali1234> bigcalm: of cource you don't. it was removed, like all of the useful options
[17:10] <bigcalm> ali1234: then why did you mention it?
[17:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: just open screenshot and then select screenshot of active window
[17:10] <ali1234> bigcalm: because i still have it, because i put it back in
[17:11] <popey> uh no
[17:11] <popey> it is there
[17:11] <bigcalm> ali1234: you know you can be frustratingly unhelpful at times
[17:11] <popey> run gnome-screenshot
[17:11] <davmor2> ali1234: it was removed by gnome actually
[17:11] <popey> the delay option is right there
[17:11] <ali1234> davmor2: never said it wasn't
[17:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: okay, that's a work around. Not so good when one is used to alt+printscr
[17:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: and that should work which is why you are filing a bug correct :)
[17:12] <AlanBell> gnome-screenshot -i
[17:13] <popey> you dont need the -i
[17:13] <bigcalm> What's the bug reporting tool again?
[17:13] <popey> just run gnome-screenshot
[17:13] <popey> ubuntu-bug
[17:13] <bigcalm> Doesn't exist
[17:13] <AlanBell> without the -i it takes a screenshot for me
[17:13] <bigcalm> Oh
[17:13] <bigcalm> Oops
[17:13] <bigcalm> Ubuntu, not Unity :)
[17:13] <popey> maybe you have GNOME gnome-screenshot
[17:14] <popey> AlanBell: you're starting it via alt+f2?
[17:14] <popey> thats why
[17:14] <popey> start via unity launcher, just type screenshot or part of that word
[17:14] <directhex> wibble.
[17:14] <bigcalm> directhex: enjoying your new input devices?
[17:14] <ali1234> running it from gnome-terminal does the same
[17:15] <popey> odd, it just broke for me
[17:15] <ali1234> not really all that odd, this is the designed behaviour
[17:15] <popey> no, odd in that it didnt do that earlier
[17:15] <directhex> bigcalm, hexmas isn't until sunday!
[17:15] <ali1234> that is kind of odd
[17:16] <bigcalm> directhex: ah, I was confused by your photographic evidence
[17:21] <redtape-renegade> OT Funny | Just had a daydream, that I was on Blind Date ... Cilla B.  ... AAAaaaaargh ITV-Hell !
[17:22] <AlanBell> popey: oh, I was starting it from terminal
[17:30] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21938171 haha
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: he must have had a BORING job ;)
[17:31] <popey> accountant, so yeah
[17:48] <rebtape|coffee> czajkowski, I can't remember when that ubuntu-on-air meeting was supposed to happen about documentation writing , so I can watch it on youtube later [?].
[17:48] <rebtape|coffee> ..thnk it was with Jono...
[18:01] <redtape-renegade> Sorry, just switched to my other monitor : Anyway,,, Ive found the fridge entry for the next proposed meeting, [ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/23/first-community-leadership-meeting-summary/ ] , ( c zajkowski )  but this leaves no mention of a time or event for others to go on ...
[18:06] <czajkowski> rebtape|coffee: it;s not scheduled
[18:09] <redtape-renegade> czajkowski: Well, perhaps it may be good to have some kind of scheduling so that I/we can let others know on all the media outlets (as this is a community effort meeting) ?
[18:10] <redtape-renegade> perhaps I didn't phrase that correctly ..
[18:10] <redtape-renegade> I don't mean to be pushy .
[18:24]  * redtape-renegade wanders off  ... !
[18:33] <amayer> if i run apt-get update is there a way i can list the updates that are waiting to be installed?
[18:35] <popey> yes
[18:35] <popey> apt-get -s upgrade
[18:35] <popey> -s means simulate
[18:35] <popey> or indeed apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[18:49] <amayer> popey: thank you
[19:35] <GentileBen> czajkowski: are you Polish or a cat owner?
[19:38] <davmor2> GentileBen: czajkowski hates cats, which obviously means she isn't right in the head :)
[19:39] <czajkowski> I'mn not Polish
[19:42] <davmor2> popey: you can confirm that czajkowski isn't right in the head for not liking cats right :)  Although AlanBell is likely to argue that czajkowski isn't all bad as she and Jon have hens now
[19:43] <czajkowski> ahem
[19:43] <davmor2> czajkowski: on a plus side somethings just don't change :)
[19:43] <czajkowski> I do not have hens
[19:43] <czajkowski> jon has hens
[19:44] <davmor2> But then Jon has a czajkowski too which means czajkowski has hens too :P
[19:44] <shauno> I must admit I always wondered about the name.  I mean .. czaj is tea?
[19:45]  * AlanBell isn't arguing anything (especially not with czajkowski)
[19:46] <AlanBell> it is pronounced Tchaikovsky
[19:46] <davmor2> AlanBell: you would be arguing for czajkowski not against :)  But yeah I see your point, I'm the only one crazy enough :)
[19:47] <AlanBell> scrambled or fried or omlet?
[19:47] <czajkowski> people, tis not the day
[19:47] <shauno> ah, I should have seen that!  it'll make googling an etymology easier :)  I'm just curious if I'm seeing "false friends".  čaj is tea in slovak, so that's all I picked out of it
[19:47] <AlanBell> that is the question
[19:50] <AlanBell> scrambled
[19:58] <AlanBell> with sriracha
[19:58] <ali1234> poached eggs is best eggs
[19:58] <popey> +1
[19:58] <czajkowski> hmmmm
[19:59] <czajkowski> how cna I get music that's on my phone to my nexus 7
[19:59] <czajkowski> am sure I'm missing some tick box here
[19:59] <popey> upload to google music
[19:59] <popey> or Ubuntu one music
[19:59] <czajkowski> oh
[19:59] <czajkowski> hmm
[20:01] <popey> ask aquarius how to do that
[20:01] <popey> maybe put it in a folder, sync it with u1?
[20:01] <popey> but i have a horrid feeling it does silly streaming and not local storage
[20:01] <popey> but i dont use it, i use spotify so pass
[20:01] <czajkowski> ahhhh
[20:01] <czajkowski> nods
[20:02] <czajkowski> have oodles of chunes! on zee phone and wanted to put some on the nexus
[20:02] <czajkowski> maybe some movies that I can do easily
[20:02] <popey> how did they get onto the pone?
[20:02] <AlanBell> what is the nexus running?
[20:02] <czajkowski> oh silly me
[20:02] <czajkowski> I can just open it and drop them in
[20:02] <czajkowski> AlanBell: android
[20:03] <czajkowski> want it for hospital visit in case either of the kids want it for amusement/distraction
[20:03] <popey> Sophie made tudor style bread and butter today
[20:03] <popey> was very nice
[20:04] <czajkowski> popey: they on easter hols yet?
[20:05] <popey> tomorrow is last day
[20:05] <popey> then 3 weeks break
[20:08] <czajkowski> wow 3 weeks
[20:22] <mungbean> what is it with DVDs of tv series that have ridiculous menus that are impossible to understand/navigate?
[20:22] <mungbean> can't even see which epsiode i'm choosing on this spooks dvd
[20:24] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_LXxlXSCyLY just decided I want to be Finnish
[20:29] <DJones> Interesting review/thoughts http://slashdot.org/topic/cloud/a-glimpse-at-ubuntus-future/
[20:29] <amayer> haha nice! my neighbors hosted a finnish exchange student. from what he told me finland sounds pretty awesome
[20:40]  * StevenR_ finishes submitting a bug for 3.2.0-39
[20:40] <Adriannom_> what's the best cheapo wifi card to get for ubuntu?
[20:51] <Adriannom_> has anyone bought a cheapish wifi card that works out of the box in the last year?  if so, can you please tell me the model number?
[20:52] <mungbean> i saw a thread on reddit yesterday about it
[20:53] <mungbean> can't find it now though :(
[20:54] <Adriannom_> thanks for the lead though :)_
[20:56] <mungbean> ones containing atheros chips are good
[20:57] <mungbean> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1au0vb/was_looking_for_a_good_usb_wifi_device_for_my/
[20:57] <mungbean> Adriannom_: ^^
[20:57] <Adriannom_> nice one
[20:58] <Adriannom_> guy from #ubuntu says manufacturers actually change the chipsets of cards without changing the model number, which means it's hard to tell even if the same card from different batches will work
[20:58] <directhex> that can happen with networking kit, yes
[20:58] <Adriannom_> seems like model number should change or something?
[20:59] <Adriannom_> to avoid facepalm+++++
[21:00] <mungbean> i had experience of a netgear wg511v2 , one has made in japan, another made in china, both same omodel number
[21:00] <mungbean> different chipset
[21:01] <Adriannom_> brb
[21:06] <bigcalm> GAH, another humble bundle
[21:06] <bigcalm> Not fair
[21:08] <bigcalm> Contre Jour seems to be an arty Cut the Rope
[21:11] <bigcalm> Metal Slug 3 looks like silly fun and reminds me of arcade games of the early 90s
[21:11] <bigcalm> The Room could be promising
[21:11] <directhex> bigcalm, it *is* an arcade game from the early 90s.
[21:12] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Slug_3
[21:12] <directhex> hm, 2000? really?
[21:12] <bigcalm> Oh, hehe :)
[21:12] <bigcalm> The style is early 90s to my eye
[21:13] <Adriannom_> mungbean, thanks for the help, gotta go cause the puppy is chewing the ethernet cable :|
[21:13] <directhex> well, the neo geo hardware shipped in 1990
[21:13] <Adriannom_> later
[21:14] <bigcalm> Not sure Anomaly Korea, PvZ and Bladeslinger are my thing though
[21:14] <directhex> it's basically a megadrive on meth, as far as the specs go. 12mhz 68k, plus 4mhz z80 as a co-processor
[21:15] <directhex> (same cpus). but the graphical capabilities of the neo geo were insane. it could do filthy things to sprites that the megadrive (and snes) were nowhere near capable of
[21:15] <bigcalm> There was an arcade machine in the bakers (odd) on the way to school. Spent too many pennies trying to play Street Fighter 2
[21:16] <directhex> that'd be a capcom CPS board, iirc
[21:16] <directhex> anyway, the megadrive can do 63 colours at once. the neo geo can do 65k
[21:16] <bigcalm> Madness
[21:16] <directhex> sorry, 4k from a 65k pallette
[21:16] <ali1234> well original metal slug was 90s
[21:17] <directhex> versus 63 from a 512 palette
[21:17]  * bigcalm eyes his paypal account
[21:17] <ali1234> bigcalm: weren't you playing the room the other day?
[21:17] <directhex> i wanted a neo geo SO BAD when i was smaller
[21:17] <bigcalm> ali1234: The Cave
[21:17] <ali1234> it's like a remake of myst right?
[21:18] <ali1234> oh right. but similar thing though, right?
[21:18] <bigcalm> Erm
[21:18] <ali1234> by remake i mean "similar type of game"
[21:18] <directhex> the cave and the room are basically nothing alike
[21:18] <bigcalm> Both are puzzles but not the same style of game play at all
[21:18] <directhex> the cave is more akin to The Lost Vikings, an early blizzard game
[21:19] <ali1234> oh, ok. the room is the one that's like myst though right?
[21:19] <bigcalm> I've only seen a very short video so far, hard to tell
[21:20] <ali1234> lost vikings was like gobliiins?
[21:21] <ali1234> the bladeslinger trailer is a bit heavy on the cutscenes...
[21:21] <bigcalm> Just a little
[21:22] <bigcalm> I kept wondering when I'd get to see game play
[21:22] <ali1234> yes.
[21:22] <bigcalm> For a while I thought all you did was dodge items thrown at you
[21:22] <ali1234> lol
[21:22] <ali1234> and bad guys jumping off things
[21:23] <ali1234> presumably it's fruit ninja except you can walk around
[21:24] <popey> I had a NeoGeo 6-slot arcade board
[21:24] <popey> fun
[21:25] <directhex> y:O
[21:25] <directhex> :O
[21:25] <directhex> envy!
[21:25] <popey> I gave it away to London Hackspace
[21:26] <popey> along with 6 games
[21:26] <directhex> :o
[21:26] <popey> http://londonjam2.eventbrite.com/
[21:26] <popey> "The theme of this jam will be making games for our very own Hackspace arcade machine. On a side note, if anyone wants to help renovate an arcade machine, please get in touch. It's  the shell of an original Neo-Geo machine, but we shall jam new games inside"
[21:26] <popey> hehe
[21:27] <popey> didnt realise it was that long ago!
[21:29] <sara> anyone used to flights to and from ue member states? is a thermos allowed on flights?
[21:29] <sara> eu*
[21:31] <popey> sara: an empty one, yeah, should be fine.
[21:31] <popey> hahah http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341506/The-Thermos-flask-terror-threat-U-S-warns-airlines-prepare-new-tactic-Christmas.html
[21:33] <mungbean> hmm i need to buy a cp2102 module to openwrt my router
[21:33] <sara> popey, can i arrive at the airport at 11pm and fly at 7am?
[21:33] <sara> heathrow terminal 5
[21:34] <sara> not that i want to but i dont have other options
[21:52] <czajkowski> sara: aye the airport is always open, may not be able to check in mind you
[21:52] <sara> czajkowski, online checkin with carry on baggage
[21:56] <czajkowski> shouldnt be an issue may get you some funny looks but the airport is always open
[21:57] <sara> czajkowski, thanks.
[21:58] <sara> anyone live in london? in the 1990's they had cash ticket machines at victoria do they still have those?
[21:59] <GentileBen> czajkowski: I was implying your nick looks like something a cat typed as it walked over your keyboard.
[21:59] <czajkowski> sara: yes
[21:59] <czajkowski> GentileBen: if you say so :)
[21:59] <sara> GentileBen, it's a eastern european name
[21:59] <GentileBen> Also, I thought it was pronounced "zah-vov-sky".
[22:00] <GentileBen> Er
[22:00] <sara> czaj is a girls name
[22:00] <GentileBen> "zah-kov-skee"
[22:00] <GentileBen> C. Zajkowski.
[22:01] <sara> czajkow and that stations open at 9pm?
[22:02] <czajkowski> sara: yup
[22:04] <sara> :) awesome - in stckholm they dont have papertickets as of the 31st, they close everything at 10pm :)
[22:04] <sara> and the airlines not open then
[22:04] <alach> hey
[22:05] <sara> alach hej
[22:05] <alach> i need help with my ubuntu.. can you help me?
[22:07] <alach> well, can anybody?
[22:07] <sara> sure
[22:07] <sara> whats not working for you?
[22:07] <mungbean> !ask
[22:07] <alach> i'm using wine to run steam
[22:07] <alach> and want to run GTA san andreas via steam
[22:08] <GentileBen> czajkowski: are you Polski?
[22:08] <czajkowski> nope
[22:09] <sara> popey,  get you eyes over here and help alach
[22:09] <alach> once it starts, it changes the resolution to 800x600 (i think), but in a way that i cannot run it properly
[22:09] <GentileBen> http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/czajkowski By gods, AlanBell was right.
[22:09] <alach> yes please :)
[22:10] <popey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=216645
[22:10] <popey> "My solution was running winecfg and setting a virtual wine desktop and "Allow the windows manager to control the windows" on the Graphics tab. Now, it works in windowed mode, but it works"
[22:11] <alach> ah, okay. i gonna try that
[22:11] <popey> not sure I'd trust a pronunciation site which described banana as "banana is something u eat"
[22:11] <alach> thanks in advance, i hope i'll figure out what to do exactely
[22:12] <ali1234> always use wine virtual desktop
[22:12] <sara> anyone a night owl??
[22:12] <ali1234> for games anyway - windows idea of fullscreen is pretty broken
[23:12] <mungbean> lol they are talking bout bitcoin on newsnight
[23:14] <ali1234> what are they saying?
[23:14] <Azelphur> we must know :P
[23:15] <Azelphur> ali1234: btw, reported myself to HMRC, got the legal situation sorted, declaring a company and going self employed.
[23:15] <mungbean> normal newsnight garbage
[23:15] <mungbean> boring twaddle
[23:15] <mungbean> explainig it for the grown ups
[23:15] <ali1234> Azelphur: legal situation sorted?
[23:16] <Azelphur> ali1234: as far as bitcoin trading and tax goes.
[23:16] <ali1234> i didn't know there was a legal situation
[23:16] <Azelphur> it's income tax :)
[23:16] <ali1234> so that means... what?
[23:16] <Azelphur> that means I pay 20% on my profit minus expenses.
[23:16] <ali1234> and how did you reach this conclusion?
[23:16] <mungbean> only after £8k income
[23:16] <Azelphur> spoke to a tax specialist at hmrc who looked it all up and called me back.
[23:16] <ali1234> cool
[23:17] <mungbean> unless you are earning already
[23:17] <Azelphur> :D
[23:17] <ali1234> yeah ad that 8k becomes 10k in a year or so
[23:17] <Azelphur> yea
[23:17] <mungbean> yep
[23:17] <Azelphur> I'll tag it, but I'll probably just write cool things off as expenses
[23:17] <mungbean> like gfx cards
[23:17] <Azelphur> nexus 10...expense
[23:17] <Azelphur> faster computer...expense
[23:17] <Azelphur> lol
[23:17] <mungbean> s'true
[23:18] <Azelphur> so yea, getting even more fun now ;)
[23:18] <ali1234> so what's your plan?
[23:18] <ali1234> are you going to set up an exchange?
[23:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: just keep doing what I'm doing on a larger scale and with no worries
[23:20] <ali1234> i would like to see an exchange that works over ssh or similar
[23:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'm also kinda interested in buying a place now since I have my own money, and I'm getting evicted anyway
[23:20] <ali1234> you upload public key, and then no need for passwords
[23:20] <Azelphur> hehe, I am certainly going to start doing interesting things.
[23:20] <ali1234> or it could work by email
[23:20] <Azelphur> Like bitcoin enabling some local shops.
[23:20] <ali1234> pgp encrypted email
[23:20] <graingert> Bitcoin!
[23:20] <graingert> woo
[23:20] <Azelphur> :)
[23:21] <ali1234> slashdot had poll on bitcoin today
[23:21] <ali1234> results were sad
[23:21] <graingert> :(
[23:21] <Azelphur> lol
[23:21] <ali1234> slashdot has really gone down hill
[23:21] <ali1234> it's a bunch of old guys who hate everything now
[23:21] <graingert> /join #bitcoin
[23:21] <popey> czajkowski: http://imgur.com/gallery/zotQTXg
[23:21] <graingert> :p
[23:21] <Azelphur> I'm not sure if I can buy a place though, as I'm not gonna have a tax history or anything by the time I get evicted
[23:21] <Azelphur> my mum wants to help, she could get the mortgage, but I dunno how that would work with transferring it to me
[23:21] <ali1234> dem hairy legs
[23:22] <Azelphur> lol
[23:22] <ali1234> Azelphur: buy house with cash
[23:22] <Azelphur> ali1234: not quite there yet ;)
[23:22] <Azelphur> not far though, rofl
[23:23] <ali1234> i still expect a correction btw
[23:23] <Azelphur> a market correction? that's fine
[23:23] <Azelphur> as long as it doesn't stab me in the face after a large buy, I'm safe
[23:23] <popey> Azelphur: eviction?
[23:24] <Azelphur> popey: my landlord is kicking me out because I forced him to do basic maintenance on the place, I have a scumlord :P
[23:24] <czajkowski> popey: \0/
[23:24] <popey> oh, bummer
[23:24] <Azelphur> thinking about taking small claims action against him, got the papers for that today
[23:28] <shauno> isn't there some kind of board that'll fight that one for you?  like the prtb here
[23:29] <Azelphur> dunno
[23:29] <Azelphur> everyone seems to be of the consensus that he won't even turn up at court
[23:30] <ali1234> well that's an automatic win
[23:30] <Azelphur> indeed, I hope for that outcome ;)
[23:30] <shauno> that tends to be because that's the normal way for people to 'beat' companies at small claims.  but don't underestimate what spite can do
[23:31] <ali1234> yeah a big company isn't going to show because it would cost them more to send a lawyer
[23:31] <ali1234> one guy however, is a different situation
[23:31] <Azelphur> this is a small company, owns say 10 properties
[23:31] <Azelphur> has a few employees
[23:32] <Azelphur> promised a bunch of repairs when I moved in, did none of them, been here 4 months now, had to start threatening court action and they've finally started to do some of the minor stuff but won't give me any compensation (6 month tenancy)
[23:33] <ali1234> i doubt he has real employees
[23:33] <Azelphur> they seem fairly real, have uniforns, etc
[23:33] <ali1234> probably contractors
[23:33] <ali1234> if they're repairing stuff anyway
[23:33] <ali1234> maintenance on 10 properties isn't a full time job
[23:33] <Azelphur> he sends a guy round to collect the rent for example (wants rent in cash)
[23:34] <ali1234> lol
[23:34] <ali1234> so he can pay cash to his "employees" and not book any of it
[23:34] <Azelphur> xD
[23:34] <ali1234> that guy is probably his cousin
[23:34] <ali1234> been there, done that
[23:34] <Azelphur> could well be
[23:34] <ali1234> (as the tennant)
[23:34] <shauno> even more reason I wouldn't discount him being able to carve out an afternoon to safe himself a default judgement, to be honest
[23:35] <ali1234> yes, quite
[23:35] <Azelphur> They've left me in pretty dire shit anyway, 4 months with no oven, washing machine, trash everywhere, flooding, etc.
[23:35] <shauno> IANAL and all that rot, but I'd look into seeing if there's anything setup to offer you a hand with that one
[23:35] <ali1234> that's pretty bad
[23:35] <ali1234> i had no gas for 6 months one time but it wasn't the landlord's fault, it was the gas company
[23:36] <Azelphur> nice
[23:36] <Azelphur> he left me for 4 days without heating, ignoring the "24 hour emergency line"
[23:36] <ali1234> it was a pre pay meter with like £100 of debt from previous tennant
[23:36] <ali1234> and gas company kept telling me "just pay it and we will refund it"
[23:36] <ali1234> which i knew was BS
[23:36] <Azelphur> lol
[23:36] <ali1234> so i went without gas, rather than pay someone else's debt
[23:36] <ali1234> so the only hot water we had was the shower
[23:37] <Azelphur> the place has sash windows too, but the gap between the two panels is about half inch
[23:37] <ali1234> and the only way to cook stuff was to barbecue it
[23:37] <ali1234> or microwave it
[23:37] <Azelphur> you can stick your fingers through the gap and wave to yourself through the window :D
[23:37] <ali1234> or toaster
[23:38] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jo537hl9dvqcsg7/2013-03-11%2013.30.13.mp4?m the pathway to the flat lol
[23:38] <Azelphur> he tells people to dump there :D
[23:38] <ali1234> haha that looks like any street in manchester lol
[23:38] <Azelphur> oops :p
[23:39] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha
[23:39] <ali1234> actually that's tidy for manchester
[23:39] <shauno> I got old and boring.  I don't move in on promises anymore
[23:39] <shauno> it's not manchester, the matresses haven't been burnt yet :/
[23:39] <Azelphur> shauno: yea, me neither.
[23:40] <ali1234> yeah and someone would have taken that chair for their living room
[23:40] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6l9y5hs1d042dx/2013-03-17%2015.48.42.jpg it's even nicer out there now :P
[23:41] <ali1234> did i mention that when we had no gas, we found the barbecue in the alley behind our house?
[23:41] <Azelphur> haha
[23:41] <shauno> it sounds narky, but I don't do cash anymore either.  mostly because I'm bone idle.  direct debit keeps the lights on
[23:41] <ali1234> i've never done cash
[23:42] <ali1234> one time landlord asked me for posted dated cheques but i refused
[23:42] <shauno> I have done, but it was sharing a house with 5 exchange students
[23:43] <ali1234> you know, technically, it's impossible to burn mattresses in manchester, because it rains constantly and nothing will burn.
[23:44] <shauno> (which sounds like the start of a horror story, but was probably the most fun I've had in my life)
[23:44] <Azelphur> I'd request bank if it wasn't the only way to get communication with the guy lol
[23:45] <ali1234> house sharing is both awesome fun and incredibly stressful
[23:46] <shauno> there was nowhere near as much friction as I expected.  it mostly came down to people turning bittorrent off in the evening when people wanted to skype home
[23:48] <shauno> and a great way to dig myself out of a hole when I finally started working.  when you can make the month's rent with 3 day's pay
[23:50] <shauno> but again, old and boring.  not sure I could do it again now.  especially with 6am shifts