[05:32] <Kilos> morning all
[06:14] <nlsthzn> morning uncle Kilos 
[06:15] <Kilos> hiya nlsthznyou use kde?
[06:15] <Kilos> ai! that space again
[06:15] <nlsthzn> well I got kde on a little notebook...
[06:15] <Kilos> i gotta try stop vlc trying to open everything without removing it
[06:16] <Kilos> even tries to open sticks with text files on
[06:16] <Kilos> grrr
[06:16] <Kilos> morning superfly
[06:17] <nlsthzn> look for fiel associations under settings uncle Kilos 
[06:17] <nlsthzn> *file
[06:17] <Kilos> ok lemme look again ty
[06:22] <Kilos> theres so much in there but dont see what to choose or how to make it ask what i wanna open media with
[06:26] <Kilos> its a carry over prob from lubuntu+mate+unity. i didnt delete /home
[06:26] <superfly> morning Kilos, nlsthzn
[06:27] <Kilos> aw and im using quassel not konversation
[06:27] <Kilos> lemme install it first
[06:34] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:39] <magespawn> just set notifications in quassel, need to adjust the volume
[06:39] <magespawn> whats up this morning Kilos?
[06:43] <nlsthzn> hiya superfly , magespawn 
[06:43] <magespawn> hey nlsthzn
[06:44] <superfly> magespawn: 2 months!
[06:45] <Kilos> trying to stop vlc opening all media magespawn
[06:45] <magespawn> ?
[06:45] <magespawn> till you come up here superfly?
[06:45] <superfly> yup
[06:45] <magespawn> ah right cool
[06:46] <magespawn> Kilos: explain a little
[06:46] <superfly> magespawn: we'll be in hluhluwe that first week of June
[06:46] <magespawn> superfly: are you going to spend time in Durban?
[06:46] <Kilos> if i plug in a stick vlc tries to open it, no choice to use file viewer
[06:47] <magespawn> Kilos: sounds like it is set to do that automatically, why i do not know
[06:47] <superfly> magespawn: no, we'll be down in Port Shepstone the previous week
[06:50] <magespawn> lots of traveling
[06:50] <superfly> yup
[06:51] <superfly> with a nearly 4 year old and a 10 month old
[06:51] <magespawn> car seat?
[06:51] <superfly> yup
[06:53] <magespawn> we try to split the kids one in the front one in the back, makes it easy for the one not driving to deal with the little one
[06:53] <superfly> magespawn: we've made provision for LOTS of driving time
[06:54] <Kilos> eish superfly its far
[06:54] <superfly> Kilos: ja, we're taking 3 days to drive up :-)
[06:54] <Kilos> did the trip down the coast once. took forever
[06:54] <Kilos> 18 hours non stop i think
[06:55] <Kilos> if you split it over 3 days it should be fine
[06:56] <Kilos> dont your kids sleep lots in the car
[06:56] <magespawn> usually takes me about 10 hours to Klerksdorp 780kms
[06:56] <Kilos> ian even today if someone else drives just sleeps
[06:57] <superfly> we're driving Cape Town -> Plettenberg Bay -> Haga Haga (East London) -> Port Shepstone
[06:58] <Kilos> ya same route but will be good over 3 days
[06:58] <Kilos> and views are good
[06:58] <Kilos> beautiful country
[06:59] <magespawn> superfly: first long rid trip with the whole family?
[07:00] <Kilos> yo Jabberwocky_
[07:01] <superfly> 'Twas brillig, and the slithey toves did gire and gimble in the wabe...
[07:01] <Kilos> huh?
[07:01] <Kilos> you been drinking?
[07:02] <superfly> All mimsey were the borogroves, and the mome raths outgrabe.
[07:02] <superfly> Beware the Jabberwock my son, the jaws that bite, the claws that snatch. Beware the juju bird, and shun the frumious bandersnatch.
[07:03] <Kilos> hehe
[07:03] <Jabberwocky_> good morning Kilos :)
[07:04] <magespawn> hey Jabberwocky_
[07:04] <magespawn> superfly is that from memory?
[07:06] <superfly> He took his vorpel sword in hand, long time the manksome foe he sought. So rested he by the tum-tum tree, and stood a while in thought.
[07:06] <superfly> And as in uffish thought he stood, the Jabberwock with eyes of flame came whiffling through the tulgey woods, and burbled as it came.
[07:07] <superfly> One, two! One, two! And through and through, the vorpel blade went snicker-snack. He left it dead, and with its head, he went galumphing back.
[07:09] <superfly> And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! Oh frabjous day! Callooh, callay! He chortled in his joy.
[07:09] <superfly> 'Twas brillig, and the slithey toves did gire and gimble in the wabe. All mimsey were the borogroves, and the mome raths outgrabe.
[07:09] <superfly> magespawn: yes.
[07:09] <Kilos> wow
[07:10] <superfly> the greatest poem EVER.
[07:14] <magespawn> that and the Lobster Quadrill (sp?)
[07:15] <magespawn> Quadrille
[07:17] <magespawn> although that is technically a song
[07:22] <Kilos> vlc even tries to open /home
[07:22] <Kilos> time for clean install and formatted home
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[07:23] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos, before you do that
[07:23] <Kilos> yes?
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> take a look at ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list and see if vlc is listed there
[07:24] <Kilos> ok
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think it's there
[07:27] <Kilos> yip with audio and video
[07:28] <Kilos> and 
[07:28] <Kilos> x-content/audio-cdda=vlc.desktop;
[07:30] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2UZA41bwA
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm that's weird, it shouldn't want to handle you browsing a directory then :-/
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> inode/directory=mmc.desktop;vlc.desktop;
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> delete that line
[07:31] <Kilos> ok ty
[07:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> it should just work once you save the change, i don't think you'll need to log out and back in again
[07:34] <Kilos> how did that get there to cause the prob?
[07:35] <Kilos> yay ty ThatGraemeGuy i can open home properly again
[07:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> that i don't know, it hasn't happened to me frequently enough to determine what causes it
[07:36] <Kilos> very frustrating
[07:36] <Kilos> was ready for a clean install
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's almost never necessary :)
[07:37] <Kilos> thats what the guys all tell me , but i dont like bugging you all for help all the time
[07:37] <magespawn> Kilos:  seems to do that as regular exercise ThatGraemeGuy
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe
[07:37] <Kilos> hehe
[07:38] <magespawn> superfly: The Walrus and the Carpenter
[07:38] <Kilos> ive installed 12.04 more than any 20 other peeps
[07:39] <magespawn> Kilos: only 20?
[07:40] <Kilos> yeah and they are the admins of very large companies
[07:46] <Kilos> sudo acpi_osi=off
[07:46] <Kilos> is that all i need to stop boot splash?
[07:47] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[07:47] <Kilos> lotsa stuff there
[07:48] <magespawn> superfly http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/046/2/8/the_jabberwocky_by_chriskuhlmann-d39ndnm.jpg
[07:50] <Kilos> ai!
[07:52] <magespawn> you also need to update the grub for it to tack effect
[07:52] <magespawn> sudo update-grub2, i think
[07:56] <nlsthzn> what is a coral reef in afrikaans?!
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> koraalrif
[08:00] <Kilos> koraal rif
[08:00] <Kilos> hehe
[08:01] <Kilos> you too fast ThatGraemeGuy
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> ooooops! ;)
[08:11] <Kilos> hehe
[08:30] <charl> good morning
[08:30] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:30]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:35] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:47] <superfly> magespawn: lovely! thanks :-D
[08:50] <nlsthzn> thanks guys
[08:53] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:53] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:53] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:55] <Kilos> inetpro: cremora
[09:04] <Kilos> ohi not_found
[09:04] <Kilos> toods neelsie
[09:06] <not_found> lol
[09:06] <not_found> still me
[09:06] <not_found> but different
[09:06] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[09:06] <Kilos> ya now lost
[09:11] <charl> wow, downloaded ubuntu over ipv6 at close to 1000mBps
[09:12] <charl> not bad, just under 8 seconds
[09:14] <Kilos> wow
[09:15] <charl> make that 100mBps excuse me, one too many zeroes
[09:16] <charl> i wish the world would just upgrade to ipv6, it's extremely fast and well optimised for high bandwidth connections
[09:16] <charl> ipv4 is a dinosaur that needs to die
[09:16] <charl> along with nat routing :)
[09:17] <Kilos> no man we cant all use ipv6
[09:18] <Kilos> even gprs is better than no connection and thats like 8 mB/s
[09:19] <charl> gprs? 8mBps? that's 8*8=64mbps
[09:19] <charl> that's not a bad connection, but i thought gprs was uber slow?\
[09:19] <Kilos> it is
[09:19] <Kilos> i got something wrong
[09:19] <Kilos> 8 kB/s
[09:19] <Kilos> hehe
[09:20] <Kilos> and drops to 2 sometimes
[09:21] <charl> ah 64kbps
[09:21] <charl> yeah that's pretty slow
[09:22] <Kilos> cant get mail and run irc and pidgin same time
[09:22] <Kilos> mail gotta qwait
[09:22] <charl> it's confusing because connection speed is usually measured in bits and data in bytes
[09:22] <charl> so when you download a file, you don't get the connection speed, you get the actual transfer rate of the data, measured in bytes
[09:23] <charl> but then when you talk about connection speed again, you have to calculate it back into bits, and then take protocol overhead into account
[09:23] <Kilos> suffice to say grprs is very slow
[09:23] <charl> although i think protocol overhead is minimal these days, especially with ipv6
[09:23] <tonberry352_> and connections speeds are often in 1000ds while actual file sizes are in 1024s
[09:24] <charl> i think connection speeds usually do get measured in powers of 2
[09:24] <tonberry352_> could just be the crazies in the computer science department here
[09:25] <charl> http://www.google.nl/search?q=1kbps+to+bps
[09:25] <charl> but it gets confusing because: http://www.google.nl/search?q=1mbps+to+kbps
[09:25] <tonberry352_> guess i better make sure
[09:25] <charl> therefore: http://www.google.nl/search?q=1mbps+to+bps
[09:26] <charl> it's the same as: http://www.google.nl/search?q=1024*1024
[09:28] <charl> there is another weird thing
[09:28] <charl> storage device manufacturers (hard drives, solid state drives, flash drives, etc) measure 1kB as 1000B
[09:29] <charl> while the rest of the world measure 1kB as 1024B https://www.google.nl/search?q=1+kilobyte+to+bytes
[09:30] <charl> so when you take a look at, for example, df -u, you don't see a terabyte hard drive as 1T but as 917G
[09:30] <charl> it's called "confusing the sh*t out of people" :)
[09:33] <charl> here's another cool one: http://www.google.nl/search?q=1Bps+to+bps so http://www.google.nl/search?q=1kBps+to+bps
[09:34] <charl> it's simple, it's 1024*8 (first kilobits -> bits and then tims 8)
[09:34] <charl> *times
[09:39] <charl> hahaha i just read through what i said above and then they wonder why computer science is only for people with spectrum autism :)
[09:42] <tonberry352_> sane people do not dare to tread in this realm
[09:48] <Kilos> i go see if bootsplash begone
[09:53] <Kilos> ai!
[10:22] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:22] <charl> did it work?
[10:22] <charl> mine is gone now after the change i made the other day
[10:27] <Kilos> i went the route of a link
[10:27] <Kilos> still shows black and white stripes
[10:27] <Kilos> does yours show text
[10:27] <Kilos> charl: ^^
[10:29] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[10:30] <Kilos> did an edit of /etc/default/grub
[10:30] <Kilos> added nomodeset
[10:30] <Kilos> but still yucky splash
[10:33] <Kilos> how did you change yours?
[10:45] <charl> hi sorry, am back now
[10:45] <charl> ok
[10:45] <Kilos> np
[10:46] <charl> i edited that file to: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[10:46] <charl> did not add nomodeset
[10:46] <charl> the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line in the file to, i mean
[10:49] <Kilos> ok i try that ty
[10:51] <Kilos> i go see what happened
[10:55] <Kilos> ai!
[10:58] <Kilos> didnt work either
[12:32] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[12:34] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[12:35] <Kilos> hi James-N7
[12:36] <theblazehen> awe James-N7 
[12:37] <James-N7> Hey Kilos  Sorry I missed the meeting last Monday  Pretty cool, I'm chatting with my BB :) James-N7: oops
[12:37] <Kilos> np James-N7next one on the 15th
[12:37] <James-N7> Hey theblazehen
[12:37] <James-N7> will try attend :) 
[12:40] <charl> Kilos: did it work?
[12:41] <charl> sorry it seems like my connection went poppencorken und spitsensparken
[12:41] <Kilos> nope charl
[12:41] <charl> that's really strange
[12:41] <charl> you remembered to regenerate your grub right?
[12:42] <Kilos> yeah
[12:43] <charl> and your screen keeps flickering?
[12:43] <charl> or stripes
[12:44] <Kilos> told me this
[12:44] <Kilos> ai
[12:44] <Kilos>     /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 11: /etc/default/grub: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT: not found
[12:44] <charl> he
[12:45] <charl> did you remove the line?
[12:45] <Kilos> black and white vertical stripes
[12:45] <charl> no you did something wrong in that file
[12:45] <charl> that's why your grub didn't regenerate and it's still loading the splash screen
[12:45] <Kilos> nope just from the =
[12:45] <charl> no that's wrong
[12:45] <charl> you need to have =""
[12:46] <Kilos> ok lemme try again
[12:46] <charl> make it exactly like i gave you above: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[12:46] <charl> otherwise it will give you that error
[12:47] <Kilos> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[12:47] <Kilos> like that??
[12:47] <charl> yup exactly
[12:47] <Kilos> ok i go save
[12:47] <charl> now save and try to regenerate, this time it should work
[12:48] <Kilos> regenerate??
[12:48] <Kilos> update-grub?
[12:49] <charl> yup
[12:49] <Kilos> why not say so man?
[12:49] <charl> sorry :)
[12:49] <charl> am trying to do 10 things at once here
[12:51] <Kilos> wbb i reboot and see
[12:55] <Kilos> eek now even uglier
[12:56] <Kilos> white squares printing across black window
[13:01] <charl> wow ok
[13:02] <charl> well something changed so what you did you did right
[13:02] <charl> but there seems to be general chaos between linux and your graphics card
[13:02] <charl> what exactly were you looking for? most things you should be able to find back in your syslog
[13:03] <Kilos> trying this now 
[13:03] <Kilos> http://www.schmut.com/howto/turn-off-the-boot-splash-screen
[13:04] <Kilos> i need to see the boot text so if fsck is running i can do f for fix etc
[13:05] <Kilos> wbb
[13:08] <charl> wb
[13:08] <Kilos> yay
[13:08] <Kilos> ty
[13:08] <charl> it works?
[13:08] <Kilos> lotsa text
[13:08] <Kilos> very lekker now ty
[13:09] <charl> ah interesting, you had to do the first thing and in addition add this? GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[13:09] <Kilos> have to uncomment that other line too
[13:09] <Kilos> ya
[13:10] <charl> i will do it as well
[13:10] <charl> thanks!
[13:12] <Kilos> ty
[13:13] <charl> while you were away i was reading this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49925
[13:13] <charl> i was also taking a look at my /var/log/boot.log
[13:14] <Kilos> what they say?
[13:14] <charl> apparently there is a BOOTLOGD
[13:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone know why "select-to-copy / middle-click-to-paste" would suddenly stop working? :-/
[13:14] <charl> you can enable it in /etc/default/bootlogd
[13:15] <charl> then your /var/log/boot will be filled when you reboot
[13:17] <Kilos> ouch ThatGraemeGuy
[13:17] <Kilos> after updating or sommer just stopped working
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> its not even consistent, i need to spend some time and figure out exactly where its not working
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> works in chrome, not in skype
[13:18] <Kilos> ah
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> sometimes seems to work in terminal
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> but not using multissh
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgghh!
[13:19] <Kilos> charl: that bootlogd is so you can read what happens hey
[13:19] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: can you pin it down to a particular application or group of applications?
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> will have to try and do that, just a bit busy at the moment
[13:35] <charl> Kilos: yeah of course, but i thought that is what you wanted to do?
[13:35] <charl> or did you want the splash screen gone for some other reason?
[13:36] <Kilos> no charl i need any boot screen where i can see if fsck needs to fix errors or so
[13:36] <Kilos> even a graphics boot that i can see not just stripes
[13:37] <charl> ah i see, ok
[13:37] <Kilos> couldnt read any text 
[13:37] <Kilos> hehe
[13:37] <Kilos> but only since i using this pci graphics card
[13:38] <charl> for me, i hate all this extra nonsense that abstracts what's going on
[13:38] <charl> it's part of "prettifying" linux up to make it acceptable to the masses :)
[13:38] <charl> by alianating people like us that have always used linux, takes me days just to strip all the crap out
[13:38] <charl> but the end lusers they feel "intimidated" by all the text right? ;)
[13:39] <Kilos> yeah like most shrink when you mention cli
[13:39] <Kilos> or command prompt
[13:40] <Kilos> no thats for specialists use only
[13:45] <charl> hahaha :D
[13:45] <charl> yeah
[13:46] <charl> i grew up with dos so it's hard to intimidate me :P
[13:56] <Kilos> hehe
[13:56] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[13:58] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[15:19] <Vince-0> I got an OpenWeb ADSL account! Busy comparing to MWeb, FNBconnect
[15:23] <Kilos> compairing price wise or speed wise
[15:23] <Kilos> or stability wise
[15:24] <Vince-0> Stability should have little to do with the DSL provider - it's almost always the last mile (copper). Except now SEACOM/eazi is broken although recovering
[15:25] <Vince-0> Pricing differs greatly so that is an easy choice: OpenWeb
[15:25] <Vince-0> FNBConnect is prepaid and R75/3GB or something stupid
[15:26] <Vince-0> MWeb from where I live has been 100% perfect. 4 Telkom problems in the past year
[15:27] <Vince-0> Some speedtest.net results between and some game experience: GuildWars2(EU),BattleField3(ZA), Diablo3(EU)
[15:27] <Vince-0> hey Kilos, do you have an adsl service? I might have an extra DSL account?
[15:28] <Kilos> nope 3g only here ty Vince-0
[15:28] <Vince-0> aw, my parents are also out in the "wilderness". copper theft
[15:29] <Kilos> on a plot where fone lines were stolen so often telkom gave up replacing them
[15:29] <Kilos> yeh it sucks hey
[15:29] <Vince-0> my parents can't get 8ta, not even a reliable Vodacom signal
[15:31] <Kilos> have they queried directly from he providers on what the chances are of upgrading in the area
[15:31] <cocooncrash> inetpro, Squirm-, nuvolari_, magespawn: Thanks for the birthday wishes
[15:31] <Kilos> how many peeps are in the area
[15:31] <Kilos> aw sorry cocooncrash i didnt know. hope you had a good one
[15:31] <Vince-0> not more than 30, not many who care for broadband.
[15:32] <Kilos> the swines didnt tell me
[15:32] <Kilos> where are they Vince-0?
[15:33] <Vince-0> 50km south of Durban. A place called green point
[15:33] <Kilos> if there is a mtn tower not too far telkom puts their equipment on the same tower
[15:33] <Vince-0> aah, I must check that out. 3G is expensive for skype
[15:33] <Kilos> wow never heard of it
[15:34] <Vince-0> in the sticks
[15:34] <Kilos> scotburgh hiberdene then i forget
[15:34] <Kilos> inland?
[15:35] <Kilos> ya skype and 3g aint very user friendly
[15:37] <Kilos> Vince-0: where are you?
[15:38] <Vince-0> I'm in Umhlanga, not far from where the Seacom cable lands
[15:42] <Kilos> oh near nuvo
[15:42] <Vince-0> yes! I've actually had the pleasure of meeting
[15:42] <Kilos> lucky
[15:43] <Kilos> ive only met the pro
[15:46] <Kilos> hi henkj no one even greeted you today
[15:46] <Kilos> sorry
[15:47] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[15:47]  * henkj is idling anyway
[15:47] <Kilos> hehe
[16:01] <Kilos> lo inetpro  lewe jy nog?
[16:08] <Kilos> yo Cantide  
[16:09] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[16:09] <Cantide> nou eet ek '<
[16:11] <Kilos> hehe
[16:21] <nuvolari_> *cough*
[16:21] <nuvolari_> o/ hi oom Kilos, Cantide 
[16:21] <Cantide> hello :)
[16:22] <Kilos> lo nuvolari_  
[16:22] <nuvolari_> wb Vince-0 
[16:22] <nuvolari_> hoe gaan dit oom Kilos ?
[16:22] <nuvolari_> we're wasing away in Kzn
[16:22] <nuvolari_> *washing
[16:22] <Kilos> nie te sleg nie dankie en jy ?
[16:23] <Cantide> yeah, awesome rain :)
[16:23] <nuvolari_> dit gaan goed dankie oom!
[16:23] <Kilos> mooi
[16:23] <nuvolari_> Ballito was about 90% gridlock today when I went home
[16:23] <nuvolari_> I didn't hear anything on the radio :-/
[16:23] <nuvolari_> I wonder what was going on
[16:23] <Kilos> gridlock?
[16:24] <nuvolari_> Kilos: when the cars are in such a position that nobody can move
[16:24] <Kilos> lol
[16:24] <nuvolari_> Maaz: define gridlock
[16:24] <Maaz> nuvolari_: gridlock n 1: a traffic jam so bad that no movement is possible
[16:25] <nuvolari_> being in that situation sucks
[16:25] <Kilos> just start smashing cars with a baseball bat and watch how quick they find a way out
[16:26] <nuvolari_> or you'll end up dead
[16:26] <nuvolari_> there's nowhere to go
[16:26] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[16:26] <Kilos> yeah then you dont have to worry anyway
[16:26] <inetpro> and good evening everyone else
[16:26] <nuvolari_> jislaaik inetpro, dis sons-ondergang :P nie opkoms nie...
[16:26] <Kilos> dag inetpro  is jy ok?
[16:26] <inetpro> :-)
[16:26] <inetpro> I'm all good Kilos
[16:26] <Kilos> lelik skaars ne
[16:26] <inetpro> high and dry at home
[16:27] <Kilos> dunno where todays 60% was
[16:27] <Kilos> lets hope
[16:27] <nuvolari_> we got it 
[16:27] <Kilos> you lucky we had none
[16:28] <Kilos> how much did you get today? we gotr 19mm last night
[16:28]  * inetpro had 38mm 
[16:28] <Kilos> last night and today?
[16:28] <Kilos> lucky chap
[16:28] <inetpro> Kilos: no just last night
[16:29] <Kilos> wow
[16:29] <Kilos> and today
[16:29] <inetpro> uh... not sure
[16:29] <inetpro> lemme go check, can't be much
[16:31] <inetpro> nope, nada here
[16:32] <inetpro> but there's big fat clouds in the skies
[16:32] <Kilos> ya nothing today
[16:32] <inetpro> and in town we had some rain
[16:32] <Kilos> oh well, heres hoping
[16:33] <Kilos> oh did you read the extra that needs doing to remove the boot splash screen
[16:33] <Kilos> gotta uncomment one thing too
[16:33] <inetpro> obviously
[16:34] <Kilos> no man that link you gave didnt have it
[16:34] <inetpro> well you have to put one and one together
[16:34] <inetpro> that posting was old
[16:34] <inetpro> things change over time
[16:35] <Kilos> well i have it saved in a file here now so heres hoping
[16:36] <Kilos> peeps should just update their posts as things change
[16:36] <inetpro> Kilos: that link I gave was just to give you some clues and apply it to your circumstances
[16:36] <Kilos> ja ja
[16:36] <inetpro> keeping documentation up to date is tough
[16:37] <inetpro> and forums are not really part of documentation
[16:37] <inetpro> this stuff should be documented somewhere else
[16:37] <Kilos> oh actually i didnt look. can one add things to posts there
[16:38] <inetpro> of course
[16:38] <Kilos> so google finds complete cures
[16:39] <inetpro> the issues differ
[16:40] <inetpro> your issue was different to the one the guy had who posted in the forum
[16:40] <Kilos> oh
[16:42] <Kilos> i didnt figure it was the change to pci graphics card till i tried from 3 different drives and they all had the black/white vertical stripes boot splash
[16:44] <inetpro> I see jrgns took his Galaxy S3 for a swim
[16:45] <Kilos> eek where you saw that?
[16:45] <inetpro> Kilos: https://twitter.com/jrgns/status/316576167991853056
[16:45] <Kilos> oh he tweets
[16:46] <Kilos> i forget you peeps are addicted to twitter
[16:47] <inetpro> Kilos: so should I tell him to contact you for advice?
[16:47] <Kilos> on getting it going again
[16:47] <Kilos> ??
[16:47] <inetpro> yep
[16:47] <Kilos> first move remove battery
[16:47] <Kilos> ya he can
[16:47] <Cantide> i heard that rice is a good idea
[16:48] <Kilos> never power up a wet cell
[16:48] <inetpro> maybe I tell him to join and discuss here?
[16:48] <Kilos> ya here is best
[16:49] <Kilos> arent new  fones insured?
[16:49] <Kilos> oh not if you buy cash i spose
[16:50] <inetpro> Kilos: ask him when he comes here
[16:50] <Kilos> ok but tell him wait. i go eat in 8 mins
[16:51] <Kilos> oh inetpro  betcha plustwo  didnt get switch cleaner yet hey?
[16:51] <inetpro> np, I'm sure he doesn't read his tweets the whole time
[16:52] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... not sure what happened there
[16:53] <Kilos> its rather scarce at the moment. apparently there is a container full at the docks not unpacked because of strikes
[16:53] <inetpro> huh?
[16:53] <inetpro> Kilos: what's that for?
[16:53] <Kilos> switch cleaner and other stuff
[16:55] <Kilos> switch cleaner cleans electronic pc boards, pots, connectors etc
[16:55] <Kilos> removes water and corrosion
[16:55] <inetpro> is it called switch cleaner?
[16:55] <Kilos> yes
[16:55] <inetpro> didn't you use something else?
[16:55] <Kilos> only available at electronic suppliers like communica
[16:56] <Kilos> nope i use servisol or spanjaard lubricating switch cleaner
[16:56] <Kilos> used servisol. it pricey now 
[16:57] <inetpro> ahh
[16:57] <inetpro> that I remember now
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat. wbb
[16:59]  * inetpro to
[17:24] <Kilos> too
[17:30] <Kilos> too =also as well
[17:31] <inetpro> ai!
[17:34] <Cantide> hey smile4ever :)
[17:34] <smile4ever> hoi Cantide :)
[17:34] <smile4ever> how are you? :)
[17:35] <Cantide> i'm okay '-'
[17:35] <Cantide> and you?
[17:41] <smile4ever> Cantide: too! :D
[17:42] <Cantide> '-'
[17:42] <smile4ever> I'm doing an internship
[17:42] <smile4ever> :)
[17:42] <Cantide> i wonder what i should do now... hmmm
[17:42] <Cantide> oh!
[17:42] <Cantide> what work?
[17:44] <Kilos> hi smile4ever  
[17:50] <smile4ever> Cantide: programming
[17:50] <Cantide> ooooooh~
[17:50] <Cantide> very cool :)
[17:50] <Cantide> what language(s) ?
[17:50] <smile4ever> the past week I spent my time programming with LDAP/Active Directory :)
[17:50] <smile4ever> in ASP
[17:50] <smile4ever> the old ASP, yes :p
[17:50] <Cantide> ah
[17:50] <Cantide> not aspx?
[17:50] <smile4ever> no :)
[17:50] <Cantide> :)
[17:50] <Cantide> i'm a PHP fan myself
[17:51] <smile4ever> me too ;)
[17:51] <Cantide> i'd be lost with asp :)
[17:51] <smile4ever> but I have no choice :D
[17:51] <Cantide> haha
[17:51] <Cantide> how are you finding it?
[17:51] <smile4ever> It's okay to work with
[17:51] <smile4ever> but it's slow
[17:51] <smile4ever> ;)
[17:51] <Cantide> haha
[17:51] <smile4ever> and the error handling sucks
[17:51] <smile4ever> compared to ASP.NET
[17:51] <smile4ever> ;)
[17:51] <Cantide> I remember once going crazy because i couldn't have more than one form on a page..
[17:51] <Cantide> but this is like 10 years ago :p
[17:51] <smile4ever> just give it a name, cantide :p
[17:51] <smile4ever> or a group :p
[17:52] <Cantide> ah
[17:52] <Cantide> so it's because i didn't really know what i was doing :) i see
[17:52] <Cantide> well, PHP was kind to me
[17:57] <smile4ever> Cantide: hehe, debugging is always fun :P
[17:57] <smile4ever> error 0515151d
[17:57] <smile4ever> oh yeah, i understand
[17:58] <smile4ever> :p
[17:58] <smile4ever> oh, you mean I forgot a "& "
[17:58] <Cantide> google might be your friend :p
[17:58] <smile4ever> might :)
[17:58] <smile4ever> I have an multidimensional array :)
[17:58] <Cantide> you never know with microsoft stuff
[17:58]  * Cantide coughs
[17:58] <smile4ever> so user(5)(20)
[17:59] <smile4ever> => 6 users, 21 properties
[17:59] <smile4ever> :p
[17:59] <smile4ever> I can't redeclare it :o
[17:59] <Cantide> :o
[17:59] <smile4ever> Have no clue why, I tried every way
[17:59] <smile4ever> I don't know how many users I have, it can change over time too
[17:59] <smile4ever> so I just declared it for 200+1 users
[17:59] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:00] <Cantide> that kinda sucks
[18:00] <Cantide> i had trouble with a dynamic array in C++
[18:01] <Cantide> have to destroy it and recreate it 1 larger each time -.-v
[18:02] <smile4ever> Cantide: great
[18:02] <smile4ever> it was a possibility for me, too
[18:03] <smile4ever> :)
[18:03] <smile4ever> but re-loading it every time
[18:03] <smile4ever> takes much time
[18:03] <Cantide> ah
[18:03] <Cantide> hence you saying it's slow
[18:03] <smile4ever> so it was easier to make it just big enough :D
[18:03] <smile4ever> the company won't have more than 200 employeees
[18:03] <smile4ever> :)
[18:03] <Cantide> or so you hope :)
[18:03] <superfly> Cantide: #include <vector>
[18:04] <Cantide> maybe in a few years their system will crash
[18:04] <Cantide> ah
[18:04] <Cantide> that could help :p
[18:04] <smile4ever> Cantide: they can change a number, can they
[18:04] <smile4ever> :p
[18:04] <superfly> Cantide: don't forget "using namespace std;"
[18:05] <superfly> Python FTW
[18:06] <Cantide> i don't use C++ much these days :p
[18:06] <Cantide> used it to modify text files recently
[18:06] <Cantide> that's about it :p
[18:07] <superfly> I'm a firmware developer
[18:08] <Cantide> you use C then?
[18:12] <Kilos> inetpro: im there by custom shortcuts but cant get ctrl+t to open a konsole
[18:12] <Kilos> what am i doing wrong
[18:13] <Kilos> must i delete comment and put konsole in there
[18:19] <smile4ever> Cantide: can you program in C? :p
[18:19] <smile4ever> ctrl+shift+t, Kilos? :p
[18:19] <Kilos> in kde smile4ever  
[18:19] <Kilos> making a custom shortcut to open konsole
[18:19] <smile4ever> I see :)
[18:20] <smile4ever> and it doesn't work out?
[18:20] <Kilos> no im missing something
[18:21] <Kilos> yay got it
[18:21] <Kilos> had to change comment to konsole
[18:22] <smile4ever> Kilos:  :D :D
[18:23] <Kilos> lotsa work setting up kubuntu with konversation and everything else working so i can use it
[18:23] <Kilos> but lekker once setup
[18:24] <smile4ever> Kilos: baie lekker
[18:24] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:24] <inetpro> Kilos: it's so much easier to just use Alt+F2
[18:24] <smile4ever> inetpro: hehe, I always use Win key
[18:25] <smile4ever> but alt F2 works too, cool
[18:25] <smile4ever> :)
[18:25] <smile4ever> :'(
[18:25] <Kilos> is that a konsole that i can leave running like for ibid? inetpro  ?
[18:25] <smile4ever> sudo apt-get update with ALT+F2 doesnt work :o
[18:26] <inetpro> smile4ever: no, what I mean is, just use Alt+F2 and type konsole
[18:26] <Kilos> thats not easier than having ctrl+t to open it
[18:27] <smile4ever> inetpro: I know, but it should recognise commands too
[18:27] <smile4ever> :)
[18:27] <inetpro> my konsole stays open for ever anyway
[18:27] <inetpro> no use closing and opening it all the time
[18:28] <Kilos> how do you run ibid and do other stuff in same konsole
[18:28] <inetpro> use screen
[18:28] <inetpro> or byobu
[18:28] <Cantide> smile4ever, not very well, and not without a reference and the internet :)
[18:28] <Kilos> ibid needs its own konsole
[18:29] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: I still don't know why you run ibid on a desktop
[18:29] <inetpro> get a vps and run from there
[18:30] <inetpro> and have it running 24 hours a day
[18:30] <Kilos> because maaz gives 2 bloeps for one google search
[18:30] <Kilos> and qa dont
[18:30] <Kilos> she be a mod chick
[18:31] <smile4ever> Cantide: what do you mean? :)
[18:31] <Cantide> programming in C >_>
[18:44] <Kilos> where the vps gonna come from inetpro  ?
[18:44] <smile4ever> Cantide: oh, now I understand :)
[18:44] <Cantide> :)
[18:44] <smile4ever> I have little to no experience with C
[18:44] <Cantide> sorry, i was watching anime, so i was a bit delayed :p
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: sell a sheep
[18:46] <Kilos> nee man hulle is te min al klaar
[18:46] <Kilos> you want me to starve later
[18:46] <inetpro> ai!
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: for just over R2000 you can get a linode server for 12 months
[18:50] <inetpro> superfly: the rand hurting is now
[18:51] <Kilos> inetpro: if i had just over 2 grand id buy a mod m/b thats can use quadcore cpus and have ddr3 ram
[18:51] <smile4ever> Cantide: don't worry :p
[18:52] <Kilos> and still have qa onboard
[18:52] <inetpro> Kilos: but then you still don't have a vps
[18:52] <Kilos> what is a vps gonna do for me
[18:53] <smile4ever> Kilos: 24 hours up
[18:53] <smile4ever> :)
[18:53] <Kilos> host one bot?
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: A Linode VPS means freedom. You get everything from the kernel and root access on up. All managed by our simple yet very powerful control panel.
[18:53] <Kilos> haha so you would like qa online even when im sleeping
[18:54] <inetpro> exactly
[18:54] <Kilos> rofl
[18:54] <Kilos> why not ask me to leave pc running
[18:54] <inetpro> what's the point of a bot that comes and goes like a user
[18:55] <Kilos> ai!
[18:55] <Kilos> ek sukkel darem
[18:55] <inetpro> :-)
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro: where is noddy hosted
[18:57] <inetpro> Kilos: at the office inside a corporate network
[18:57] <Kilos> and you gotta ssh in to get to noddy?
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: once in a blue moon perhaps
[18:58] <inetpro> only to make sure that the box is still ok
[18:59] <Kilos> well qa is here when i am so that will save you the blue moon trips
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, he's not here
[19:00] <Kilos> ai!
[19:00] <Kilos> you know where my channel is
[19:01] <Kilos> when i bring qa here you complain
[19:02] <Kilos> there now no nagging
[19:02] <inetpro> QA: die
[19:02] <QA> inetpro: I'm not your bitch
[19:02] <inetpro> ai!
[19:02] <Kilos> haha
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm just stating the obvious
[19:03] <inetpro> s/am/was/
[19:03] <Kilos> jaja any port in a storm
[19:03] <inetpro> port?
[19:04] <Kilos> harbour
[19:04]  * inetpro enjoying the last few days of Google Reader
[19:04] <Kilos> in other words any excuse is better than no excuse
[19:04] <inetpro> so sad that we have to stop using it
[19:05] <Kilos> what is gonna take its plase?
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: nothing
[19:05] <Kilos> ai! why they doing that
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: it's no longer part of their strategy
[19:06] <inetpro> I guess it's eating up their bread and butter
[19:06] <Kilos> so what will one use then in place of the reader
[19:06] <Kilos> ah
[19:06] <inetpro> another rss reader
[19:11] <smile4ever> inetpro: will follow this guide :) http://lifehacker.com/5992404/how-to-build-your-own-syncing-rss-reader-with-tiny-tiny-rss-and-kick-google-reader-to-the-curb
[19:11] <smile4ever> once my website is back online
[19:11] <smile4ever> I will move from my current host to another
[19:11] <smile4ever> had too much trouble there
[19:11] <smile4ever> ;)
[19:17] <inetpro> smile4ever: I guess I need to try that also but I don't think it will ever be the same
[19:17] <smile4ever> inetpro: maybe it'll be better ;)
[19:17] <inetpro> smile4ever: after how many years?
[19:18] <smile4ever> two :D
[19:20] <Kilos> inetpro: how much space does one need to host a bot
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: depends
[19:21] <Kilos> i dont understand thew whole thing
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: how much space is it taking on your host now?
[19:21] <Kilos> do you install and OS there then the bot or just the bot
[19:21] <Kilos> coupla meg
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: well it runs on an OS on your host
[19:22] <inetpro> obviously it needs an OS
[19:22] <Kilos> so if you get a host you must first install an OS then the bot?
[19:22] <Kilos> ai!
[19:23] <inetpro> any software application needs an OS
[19:24] <magespawn> evening all
[19:24] <Kilos> hey magespawn  
[19:24] <inetpro> dumela magespawn
[19:24] <magespawn> hey hey
[19:24] <Kilos> he is in sawubona land man
[19:24] <magespawn>  have you guys had a look at ownCloud?
[19:25] <inetpro> :-)
[19:25] <inetpro> magespawn: I've only read about it
[19:25] <inetpro> and it all sounds good
[19:26] <Kilos> tell more magespawn  
[19:26] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[19:26] <magespawn> seems to me that you could set up your own version of google reader
[19:26] <Tonberry> hi kilos
[19:27] <Tonberry> having some internet oddities
[19:27] <Kilos> everyone is Tonberry  
[19:27] <Tonberry> i think my 3g router is insane
[19:28] <Kilos> eeek
[19:29] <Tonberry> think ill disconnect now, debugging this is going to take a few internet disconnects
[19:31] <magespawn> i want to try run it on a pc in the shop, see how it handles
[19:33] <Kilos> so inetpro   the answer would be to find a host thats already running ubuntu and install there?
[19:34] <Kilos> find me a how to then we look some more
[19:34] <Kilos> but dont forget there are no more 2+1
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man ek pla net
[19:35]  * inetpro just teasing
[19:35] <inetpro> obviously the ideal route would be to find a host that is permanently online
[19:35] <Kilos> ai!
[19:36] <Kilos> yes for everyones benefit i agree
[19:36] <inetpro> but there's still not much wrong with Maaz
[19:36] <Kilos> not much no
[19:36] <magespawn> and with a stable connection, so not adsl
[19:37] <Kilos> little niggles
[19:37] <inetpro> at some point ibid will be released and Maaz will be upgraded
[19:37] <smile4ever> good night!
[19:37] <inetpro> the latest version of ibid*
[19:37] <smile4ever> :)
[19:37] <smile4ever> :D
[19:37] <inetpro> smile4ever: goeie nag
[19:37] <Kilos> night smile4ever  sleep tight
[19:37] <Kilos> qa  is the latyest version
[19:38] <inetpro> and when that happens my noddy will also be upgraded
[19:38] <Kilos> latest too
[19:38] <smile4ever> dankie inetpro & Kilos :)
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: qa is still only a test release
[19:38] <Kilos> ai! inetpro  chicken
[19:38] <Kilos> no qa kiff
[19:39] <Kilos> the weed fixes anything chop chop
[19:39] <Kilos> i would still like to get maaz'z data base though
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: you are acting as a Guinea pig 
[19:39] <Kilos> squeek
[19:40] <Kilos> do they make sounds
[19:41] <inetpro> apparently some of the sounds they emit are very similar to those made by pigs 
[19:42] <Kilos> haha ok
[19:42] <Kilos> oinkish
[19:43] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:45] <Kilos> well then you know what
[19:45] <inetpro> the fly joining us a Jabberwocky_?
[19:45] <inetpro> Jabberwocky_: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[19:45] <Kilos> if qa is in dev stage she should be here so everyone can try find probs
[19:45] <Kilos> im too busy installing
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:46] <Kilos> rofl
[19:46] <Kilos> where else will lotsa peeps test it
[19:46] <Kilos> my channel is tiny
[19:48] <magespawn> i did a Kilos today and redid the kubuntu install on my old laptop
[19:48] <Kilos> lolol
[19:48] <Kilos> sometimes its easier than trying to fix a prob
[19:49] <Cantide> lol
[19:49] <inetpro> magespawn: since you did a Kilos I hope it will take you many Miles now before you have to redo again
[19:50] <magespawn> hopefully
[19:50] <Kilos> lol
[19:51] <Kilos> sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
[19:51] <Cantide> :D
[19:52] <inetpro> ai!
[19:52] <Kilos> and if wit was grapes you could start a wine farm
[19:52] <Kilos> now im teasing
[19:52] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[19:52] <inetpro> Kilos: I still like your nick :-)
[19:53] <Kilos> my nick or my mail addy?
[19:54] <Kilos> whew so late
[19:54] <Kilos> maybe i should get bebian kde just now
[19:54] <Kilos> debian too
[19:55] <Kilos> why did you do that magespawn  
[19:56] <inetpro> magespawn: was you who joined as Jabberwocky_?
[19:56] <magespawn> no not me inetpro
[19:56] <Kilos> na 
[19:57] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:57] <Kilos> hey ThatGraemeGuy  you here inna dark time too
[19:57] <magespawn> i fulled the hard drive doing a data recovery and after that it would not boot at all
[19:57] <Kilos> wonderful
[19:57] <Kilos> ai!
[19:58] <Kilos> data recovery needs a big drive
[20:00] <superfly> inetpro: no, Jabberwocky_ is someone else, and he's been around before, you just don't remember
[20:00] <inetpro> ahh
[20:00] <Kilos> lol. old age is a prob with some
[20:01]  * inetpro thought it had something to do with superfly's poetry today
[20:01] <superfly> inetpro: no, my poetry was a result of seeing Jabberwocky_ enter IRC earlier today
[20:01] <Kilos> wonder when he learned that
[20:01] <inetpro> lol
[20:01] <superfly> rather, my recital of Lewis Carroll's poem
[20:02] <Kilos> learned when superfly  ?
[20:02] <superfly> Kilos: round about Std 3 I think
[20:02] <Kilos> whew
[20:02] <inetpro> ok enough teasing for the night
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry oom
[20:03]  * inetpro is moeg
[20:03] <Kilos> inetpro: for?
[20:03] <Kilos> donr be sorry be careful
[20:03] <inetpro> all the uphill battles I give you
[20:03] <Kilos> dont
[20:03] <Kilos> hehe
[20:03] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[20:04] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:04] <Kilos> actually i go sleep
[20:04] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:06] <magespawn> speakmof the devil lol
[20:07] <magespawn> inetpro superfly ^^
[20:07] <Cantide> i'm also going to bed!
[20:07] <Cantide> good night!
[20:07] <superfly> magespawn: that's why inetpro mentioned him