[00:48] <zequence> anyone got their @ubuntustudio.com adress to work yet?
[06:58] <zequence> seems like the Ardour3 package depends on newer versions of other packages, than what is available to Raring
[06:59] <zequence> So, doesn't seem to be buildable right now
[07:01] <falktx_> hm?
[07:01] <zequence> falktx_: I used the git tree provided by Debian MM
[07:01] <falktx_> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/3034334/+listing-archive-extra
[07:01] <falktx_> me too
[07:02] <falktx_> I even have it in 12.04, using updated boost packages
[07:02] <zequence> falktx_: Did you also update the dependencies? If you did not build against what is available in Raring, it won't help much
[07:03] <falktx_> why is that? it runs fine here...
[07:04] <zequence> My goal was not to make it run, but to build it for Raring
[07:04] <falktx_> I'm not sure what's going on then, I built it just fine
[07:05] <zequence> falktx_: So, did you update the dependencies, or no?
[07:05] <falktx_> have been doing so from a couple of svn versions before the release
[07:05] <falktx_> zequence: for raring, not at all
[07:05] <falktx_> which dependencies?
[07:05] <zequence> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/135265308/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-amd64.ardour3_3.0~dfsg-1ubuntu1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[07:06] <zequence> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[07:06] <zequence> libraptor2-dev(inst 2.0.8-2 ! >= wanted 2.0.9) liblrdf0-dev(inst 0.4.0-5build1 ! >= wanted 1.0.15) libserd-dev(inst 0.18.2~dfsg0-1 ! >= wanted 0.18.2) libsord-dev(inst 0.10.4~dfsg0-1 ! >= wanted 0.12.0) .. etc
[07:06] <falktx_> those are stupid
[07:06] <falktx_> except raptor, but ardour doesn't use that
[07:06] <falktx_> ah wait, sord is right
[07:07] <falktx_> but look at serd:
[07:07] <falktx_> libserd-dev(inst 0.18.2~dfsg0-1 ! >= wanted 0.18.2)
[07:07] <falktx_> it's actually 0.18.2 in there 
[07:07] <falktx_> so I guess I updated some dependencies, basic lv2 libs
[07:08] <falktx_> (and to build without debug, again)
[07:10] <zequence> falktx_: I'm not very used to waf builds, but where in the Debian package build does it make it build in debug mode?
[07:11] <falktx_> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/serd.git;a=blob;f=debian/rules;hb=HEAD
[07:11] <falktx_> override_dh_auto_configure:
[07:11] <falktx_> ...
[07:11] <falktx_> --debug \
[07:11] <falktx_> ...
[07:12] <zequence> Ok, not Ardour3
[07:12] <zequence> When I have time, I will go through all of them
[07:12] <zequence> I also want to test the difference some day, just out of curiousity
[07:13] <falktx_> if you doubt there's a difference, I will stop talking to you...
[07:13] <falktx_> it's just common sense...
[07:13] <falktx_> I'm pretty sure the packager of those already got the message about debug builds by now, since it was disabled in qjackctl in a few others
[07:14] <falktx_> *and a few others
[07:14] <zequence> I just like to see what is important or not in how things are configured. Many suggested configs for audio are more or less 0 efficient, while others make almost all the difference
[07:15] <zequence> It is difficult to get a broad understanding without a big amount of machines though
[13:34] <ttoine> LIghworks: we will we be making the Linux Public Beta, which includes a much improved licensing scheme, available on 30th April 2013
[13:57] <len_1304> zequence, what does ardour with their download packages then?
[13:58] <len_1304> Do they include these deps too?
[13:58] <zequence> len_1304: The installers at the Ardour site include all deps locally
[13:59] <zequence> len_1304: That is why they are installed in /opt/, I guess. All the deps end up inside the ardour folder
[13:59] <zequence> But, when packaging for Debian, it's all Debianified
[14:00] <len_1304> So they are still loadable libs then not part of the one binary.
[14:00] <zequence> I haven't investigated in detail, but you don't need to install deps separately
[14:01] <len_1304> I haven't really looked through what I have downloaded either.
[14:01] <zequence> It's of course possible to create a package like that too, if one wants to
[14:01] <zequence> For Debian, I mean
[14:02] <zequence> There are some people who would prefare a system like that
[14:02] <zequence> Would mean apps take more space
[14:02] <len_1304> I would wonder if there would be problems with a loadable lib of a different version and other software, I think it has to be static.
[14:03] <zequence> Usually, libs are backwards compatible
[14:03] <len_1304> Both on disk and in  memory, it would take more space
[14:03] <zequence> But, not the other way around
[14:03] <zequence> That's true
[14:03] <zequence> Simpler to maintain. Easier to update individual packages
[14:04] <zequence> More waste
[14:04] <len_1304> Might be the easier way of dealing with gcdmaster
[14:05] <zequence> Don't know what the policy is on this though
[17:07] <zequence> madeinkobaia: hi
[17:07] <madeinkobaia> Hi :)
[17:07] <zequence> madeinkobaia: It's actually very early to be talking about wallpapers, but the idea is we put together some sort of submission contest for each cycle
[17:08] <madeinkobaia> ok
[17:08] <zequence> We're also in need of art for social sites, our OS, and also the website. But, we haven not discussed much on how to go about this
[17:09] <madeinkobaia> I am greatly interested for work on graphical interfact too or any other graphical projects
[17:10] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Right now, we have a very minimal look on social sites https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio
[17:10] <zequence> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/102125777892703446963/102125777892703446963/posts?partnerid=gplp0
[17:11] <zequence> The name is done using the Ubuntu font
[17:12] <zequence> The icon, the name, and the slogan should all be used for social sites, as well as the web site
[17:12] <madeinkobaia> Indeed that will need some improvements 
[17:12] <zequence> What I would like to see, is a unified theme idea
[17:12] <madeinkobaia> I must leave now :( how to stay in touch ?
[17:13] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Drop by here anytime
[17:13] <zequence> Or post on our -devel mail list
[17:14] <madeinkobaia> Ok, I will do that, see you soon : ) 
[17:14] <zequence> See you :)
[17:15] <madeinkobaia> Bye :)
[17:23] <ttoine> zequence, lightworks will soon release the public beta for linux. before the one for Mac
[17:24] <zequence> ttoine: That will be interesting to see :)
[17:27] <ttoine> yes !