[01:00] <sarnold> I just bootstrapped an aws environment for the first time; I'm surprised that the controller instance doesn't show in the ec2 console. am I missing something?
[01:01] <davecheney> sarnold: no, that is the expected (if a little confusing) behavior
[01:02] <sarnold> davecheney: is that only the zookeeper instance that doesn't show up in the dashboard? or will none ever show up in the dashboard?
[01:03] <davecheney> sarnold: the zookeeper instance, so called, machine/0
[01:03] <davecheney> has some services on them
[01:03] <sarnold> davecheney: .. and how do I double-check that all my instances are terminated at the end of the day, so I don't wind up with a higher credit card bill than expected...? :)
[01:03] <davecheney> but they are intenal to juju
[01:03] <davecheney> sarnold: if you juju destroy-environment, machine/0 will be terminated
[01:04] <davecheney> along with everything else, of course
[01:05] <sarnold> davecheney: that's my hope :) I was hoping to double-check its death in the console though. I'm a bit surprised juju-created instances don't show up in the amazon interface.
[01:05] <davecheney> sarnold: all juju created instances show up in the console
[01:05] <davecheney> make sure you are looking in the right region
[01:05] <sarnold> well lets get a mysql or something deployed...
[01:05] <sarnold> oh....
[01:06] <sarnold> davecheney: yay!
[01:07] <sarnold> davecheney: I had missed that drop-down in the upper right corner of the browser window.
[01:07] <davecheney> from memory, the ec2 provider in py juju (i work on the go port postly), will deploy into us-east-1
[01:07] <davecheney> unless you have provided a region: key in your environments.yaml
[01:08] <sarnold> davecheney: thanks :)
[01:08] <davecheney> np
[01:10] <sarnold> error: Environments configuration error: /home/sarnold/.juju/environments.yaml: environments.sample.region: expected 'us-east-1', got 'us-west-2a'
[01:10] <sarnold> hahaha
[01:11] <davecheney> yes, sorry, we don't let you specify down to an availablity zone
[01:13] <sarnold> ah, knocking off the 'a' does fix that. thanks. :)
[01:14] <sarnold> are availability zones supported in the go port? or .. some larger understanding of regions and zones?
[01:17] <davecheney> sarnold: only regions are supported
[01:18] <davecheney> it may be possible to support some handling of availability zones via constriants
[01:18] <davecheney> but to my knowledge that is not being actively worked on
[01:18] <davecheney> i suggest raising an issue
[01:18] <davecheney> https://launchpad.net/juju-core
[01:40] <sarnold> davecheney: thanks; I filed 1160667, I hope it's both concise enough and verbose enough. :)
[01:40] <davecheney> sarnold: thanks
[01:40] <davecheney> tbh, don't expect it to be prioritised before 13.04
[01:41] <davecheney> we have a full docket at the moment
[01:41] <sarnold> davecheney: hehe, yes, this feels like a long-term-goal.
[01:42] <davecheney> sarnold: we're shooting for parity with the python 0.7 version for 13.04
[01:42] <davecheney> we'll prioritise new features after that
[01:42] <sarnold> davecheney: I could even see 14.10 or something -- get the juju core _polished_ for 14.04 and then start looking at shiny new features. but that's just my guess.
[01:42] <sarnold> s/see 14.10/see an initial sketch of the feature for 14.10/
[01:43] <davecheney> 1.5 years away is hard to chop up into an agile development schedule
[01:43] <sarnold> :D
[18:59] <jcastro_> gary_poster: Is http://uistage.jujucharms.com:8080/ supposed to work?
[18:59] <jcastro_> looks like the initial connection is all slow?
[19:00] <gary_poster> jcastro_, it does work for me
[19:00] <gary_poster> initial connection is slower than it has been since we went up to 100 demo units
[19:06] <jcastro_> oh, heh
[19:34] <jcastro_> sarnold: heh, that unattended upgrades sub charm looks useful
[19:34] <sarnold> jcastro_: thanks :) i stole it from jdstrand, it was his idea to get it packaged up :)
[19:36] <jcastro_> yeah
[19:37] <jcastro_> I wanted to steal it but he wouldn't let me
[19:43] <sarnold> jcastro_: hehe, sorry to steal it from you, too :)
[19:56] <jcastro_> I'm just glad it exists
[22:28] <sarnold> heh, seems a few charms never got the editing they deserve, "interface-name" shows up in both provides and requires a handful of times: http://jujucharms.com/interface-charm-map
[22:29] <sarnold> (if there isn't a charm proof test for that string, it might be useful :)